On March 09 2013 19:45 Glubschauge wrote:
still no crowd there?
still no crowd there?
I think it's full today, but germans don't cheer!
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Musicus
Germany23570 Posts
On March 09 2013 19:45 Glubschauge wrote: still no crowd there? I think it's full today, but germans don't cheer! | ||
Titanidis
Greece132 Posts
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Schelim
Austria11528 Posts
On March 09 2013 19:45 Musicus wrote: I think it's full today, but germans don't cheer! they're probably too drunk already | ||
n0ise
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nomyx
United States2205 Posts
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
On March 09 2013 19:45 Musicus wrote: I think it's full today, but germans don't cheer! Can't drink and cheer at once... | ||
Vindicare605
United States15972 Posts
On March 09 2013 19:43 Xorphene wrote: Show nested quote + On March 09 2013 19:42 Vindicare605 wrote: On March 09 2013 19:39 Xorphene wrote: On March 09 2013 19:38 Vindicare605 wrote: Too passive. Zerg can't win if they just sit there and let Protoss build that army composition. Except it's a deathball that starts from the first unit built and is added to all game, unlike the old BL/Infestor/Corruptor where you effectively had to trade away your midgame army. Protoss is so safe with sentry, MSC, Photon Overcharge and Phoenix it's incredibly hard to break it. To the P's watching this thinking it's great and funny, you're retarded. A lot of my problems with ZvP right now entirely revolves around maps. With maps like Daybreak, Ohana, Entombed Valley etc. All of which are designed around Protoss having an easily accessible natural and third are not allowing Protoss to be properly pressured due to the combination of defensive abilities they have available to them in HoTS. You see a map like Howling Peak and how much it DRASTICALLY changes the way that ZvP is played as evidence for how much adjusting the map pool needs to do to the new units that are in the game. Excellent point too. As a Z I love Howling Peak, any Protoss with a single brain cell will veto this shit! Don't get me wrong I don't like Howling Peak either I think it's too far in the other direction, but it's a great example of showing how much of an effect the maps have on the effectiveness of the new units and abilities the races have. Instead of going through and nerfing shit when HoTS goes live I'd do some experimentation with the maps first. I mean look how far we've come with maps from the early days of WoL! HoTS needs to go through a similar change and this time I'd rather not go overboard with balance changes while the map pool is obsolete. | ||
MyTe
26 Posts
On March 09 2013 19:42 blade55555 wrote: Show nested quote + On March 09 2013 19:41 MyTe wrote: On March 09 2013 19:39 JJH777 wrote: On March 09 2013 19:39 MyTe wrote: On March 09 2013 19:37 Integra wrote: Wow, looks like I'll never watch another Z vs P again, until they patch this, and just assume protoss will win, too bad. So u cant just sit on your bases and wait till bl / inf are rdy? Like zergs did the last 2 years? Really really feeling bad for you If by 2 years you mean 6 months sure. Well altleast i would take this 6 months and enjoy the mu vs z like zergs did vs p. Yes that's the way we should go about balancing a game revenge "well this race did it now it's our turn!". But in general I think roach/hydra is bad so it makes voidray/colossi even stronger . Looks like z have to play now like p in WoL. End the game befor 16 minutes or fight a uphill battle. Its not balanced, but as a Portoss it feels good to see | ||
Kasaraki
Denmark7115 Posts
On March 09 2013 19:45 Musicus wrote: I think it's full today, but germans don't cheer! Yeah, and IEM doesn't have the microphones on the crowd of certain tournaments. | ||
Strela
Netherlands1896 Posts
On March 09 2013 19:41 dainbramage wrote: Show nested quote + On March 09 2013 19:39 Megabuster123 wrote: On March 09 2013 19:38 Vindicare605 wrote: Too passive. Zerg can't win if they just sit there and let Protoss build that army composition. And how can zerg be aggressive without just going all-in... One race has to allin before the other gets an unbeatable death army? Man, that seems really familiar... aye tvp has been funny too in the wol years | ||
Ysellian
Netherlands9029 Posts
On March 09 2013 19:44 blade55555 wrote: Show nested quote + On March 09 2013 19:43 Ysellian wrote: On March 09 2013 19:41 MyTe wrote: On March 09 2013 19:39 JJH777 wrote: On March 09 2013 19:39 MyTe wrote: On March 09 2013 19:37 Integra wrote: Wow, looks like I'll never watch another Z vs P again, until they patch this, and just assume protoss will win, too bad. So u cant just sit on your bases and wait till bl / inf are rdy? Like zergs did the last 2 years? Really really feeling bad for you If by 2 years you mean 6 months sure. Well altleast i would take this 6 months and enjoy the mu vs z like zergs did vs p. Rofl the BL/Infestor months were the reason I quit playing Sc2 and I'm a zerg. Me to I quit in august cause I just couldn't handle bl/cor/infestor as a zerg it was so so so boring. Hots I am glad it's a dead composition :p Yeah the other races really underestimate how boring it was And winning with anything else felt like you had to be two ranks above someone for it to work. | ||
Swiipii
2195 Posts
On March 09 2013 19:41 MyTe wrote: Show nested quote + On March 09 2013 19:39 JJH777 wrote: On March 09 2013 19:39 MyTe wrote: On March 09 2013 19:37 Integra wrote: Wow, looks like I'll never watch another Z vs P again, until they patch this, and just assume protoss will win, too bad. So u cant just sit on your bases and wait till bl / inf are rdy? Like zergs did the last 2 years? Really really feeling bad for you If by 2 years you mean 6 months sure. Well altleast i would take this 6 months and enjoy the mu vs z like zergs did vs p. The difference is that Protosses had strong pre-hive timings to compensate . The Protoss deathball starts around 7 minutes the moment the Protoss takes his third, he is just never going to be weak against Zerg agression . | ||
Giriath
Sweden2412 Posts
On March 09 2013 19:44 Daralii wrote: Show nested quote + On March 09 2013 19:40 Giriath wrote: On March 09 2013 19:38 Vindicare605 wrote: Too passive. Zerg can't win if they just sit there and let Protoss build that army composition. I really don't like this argument. If both players are passive and build tier three armies, one should not be vastly more powerful than the other. I've been withholding any opinions on balance, but I'm beginning to suspect that void rays are too powerful in ZvP. It was like that in BW. If toss let terran get 200/200, you flat out lost unless you massively outskilled your opponent. Unless the other races are more powerful than toss in the early and midgame then this isn't proper balance. And it's not fun to play or watch anyway if you don't ever get to see late-game vs Protoss. | ||
sitromit
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
On March 09 2013 19:47 Ysellian wrote: Show nested quote + On March 09 2013 19:44 blade55555 wrote: On March 09 2013 19:43 Ysellian wrote: On March 09 2013 19:41 MyTe wrote: On March 09 2013 19:39 JJH777 wrote: On March 09 2013 19:39 MyTe wrote: On March 09 2013 19:37 Integra wrote: Wow, looks like I'll never watch another Z vs P again, until they patch this, and just assume protoss will win, too bad. So u cant just sit on your bases and wait till bl / inf are rdy? Like zergs did the last 2 years? Really really feeling bad for you If by 2 years you mean 6 months sure. Well altleast i would take this 6 months and enjoy the mu vs z like zergs did vs p. Rofl the BL/Infestor months were the reason I quit playing Sc2 and I'm a zerg. Me to I quit in august cause I just couldn't handle bl/cor/infestor as a zerg it was so so so boring. Hots I am glad it's a dead composition :p Yeah the other races really underestimate how boring it was And winning with anything else felt like you had to be two ranks above someone for it to work. Yup that is exactly why I quit haha. Hots so much more fun just cause you don't do that composition and it's not gimicky/allin and hope it stays that way xD | ||
Strela
Netherlands1896 Posts
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MyTe
26 Posts
On March 09 2013 19:47 Swiipii wrote: Show nested quote + On March 09 2013 19:41 MyTe wrote: On March 09 2013 19:39 JJH777 wrote: On March 09 2013 19:39 MyTe wrote: On March 09 2013 19:37 Integra wrote: Wow, looks like I'll never watch another Z vs P again, until they patch this, and just assume protoss will win, too bad. So u cant just sit on your bases and wait till bl / inf are rdy? Like zergs did the last 2 years? Really really feeling bad for you If by 2 years you mean 6 months sure. Well altleast i would take this 6 months and enjoy the mu vs z like zergs did vs p. The difference is that Protosses had strong pre-hive timings to compensate . The Protoss deathball starts around 7 minutes the moment the Protoss takes his third, he is just never going to be weak against Zerg agression . Mh.. it took quit a time to figure this timings out. Maybe zergs have to change their ways to fight a protos. | ||
n0ise
3452 Posts
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minhblizzard
Singapore425 Posts
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Ysellian
Netherlands9029 Posts
On March 09 2013 19:48 blade55555 wrote: Show nested quote + On March 09 2013 19:47 Ysellian wrote: On March 09 2013 19:44 blade55555 wrote: On March 09 2013 19:43 Ysellian wrote: On March 09 2013 19:41 MyTe wrote: On March 09 2013 19:39 JJH777 wrote: On March 09 2013 19:39 MyTe wrote: On March 09 2013 19:37 Integra wrote: Wow, looks like I'll never watch another Z vs P again, until they patch this, and just assume protoss will win, too bad. So u cant just sit on your bases and wait till bl / inf are rdy? Like zergs did the last 2 years? Really really feeling bad for you If by 2 years you mean 6 months sure. Well altleast i would take this 6 months and enjoy the mu vs z like zergs did vs p. Rofl the BL/Infestor months were the reason I quit playing Sc2 and I'm a zerg. Me to I quit in august cause I just couldn't handle bl/cor/infestor as a zerg it was so so so boring. Hots I am glad it's a dead composition :p Yeah the other races really underestimate how boring it was And winning with anything else felt like you had to be two ranks above someone for it to work. Yup that is exactly why I quit haha. Hots so much more fun just cause you don't do that composition and it's not gimicky/allin and hope it stays that way xD I hope so too | ||
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