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Xorphene
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom492 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-09 10:40:31
March 09 2013 10:39 GMT
#461
On March 09 2013 19:38 Vindicare605 wrote:
Too passive. Zerg can't win if they just sit there and let Protoss build that army composition.


Except it's a deathball that starts from the first unit built and is added to all game, unlike the old BL/Infestor/Corruptor where you effectively had to trade away your midgame army.

Protoss is so safe with sentry, MSC, Photon Overcharge and Phoenix it's incredibly hard to break it.

To the P's watching this thinking it's great and funny, you're retarded.
T: Polt, Fantasy, Flash, Jjakji. P: HerO, Rain, Grubby, SoS. Z: Jaedong, Scarlett, Snute, Life. Casters: ToD, Apollo, MrBitter, Artosis, Day[9].
Lysanias
Profile Joined March 2011
Netherlands8351 Posts
March 09 2013 10:39 GMT
#462
Back to infestors, if you can get some fungels on that ball it might help targeting or atleast to pull back on when Protoss uses that Voidray charge.
Prog455
Profile Joined April 2012
Denmark970 Posts
March 09 2013 10:39 GMT
#463
As i see it the biggest problem with Protoss is that not only is the race itself the least micro intensive, but it also has the means to bring down any micro potential from Zerg and Terran. I don't know if this is imbalanced or not, but it is incredibly boring to watch.
Tsubbi
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany7996 Posts
March 09 2013 10:39 GMT
#464
On March 09 2013 19:38 Vindicare605 wrote:
Too passive. Zerg can't win if they just sit there and let Protoss build that army composition.


its insane, the mothership core forces zerg to make zerglings while protoss can take a 3rd at 7-8 minutes with stargate that cant be punished

basically zerg is pressured more than in wol, protoss can be greedier and zerg has the weaker lategame army
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
March 09 2013 10:39 GMT
#465
On March 09 2013 19:38 Coal wrote:
Ok guys hear me out, some of you have probably played WoW so you'll be very familiar with the concept.

Viper's abduct= Death Grip

How about if terran/protoss got "Life Grip" which enables you to pull your own units? Could make for some really cool play ^__^


but abduct can also pull your own units!
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
JJH777
Profile Joined January 2011
United States4414 Posts
March 09 2013 10:39 GMT
#466
On March 09 2013 19:39 MyTe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2013 19:37 Integra wrote:
Wow, looks like I'll never watch another Z vs P again, until they patch this, and just assume protoss will win, too bad.


So u cant just sit on your bases and wait till bl / inf are rdy? Like zergs did the last 2 years? Really really feeling bad for you


If by 2 years you mean 6 months sure.
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16090 Posts
March 09 2013 10:40 GMT
#467
On March 09 2013 19:38 Ketch wrote:
And we haven't even seen ful skytoss T_T, that might be even worse


Not by much actually.

The main villains here are the Void Rays which are now incredibly cost efficient vs the Corruptors. The splash does everything else.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
Coal
Profile Joined July 2011
Sweden1535 Posts
March 09 2013 10:40 GMT
#468
On March 09 2013 19:39 Musicus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2013 19:38 Coal wrote:
Ok guys hear me out, some of you have probably played WoW so you'll be very familiar with the concept.

Viper's abduct= Death Grip

How about if terran/protoss got "Life Grip" which enables you to pull your own units? Could make for some really cool play ^__^


but abduct can also pull your own units!


Oh really? Didn't know that, that's awesome!!!
In order to succeed, your desire for success should be greater than your fear of failure.
Ramiz1989
Profile Joined July 2012
12124 Posts
March 09 2013 10:40 GMT
#469
On March 09 2013 19:35 Za7oX wrote:
My screens ATM

http://i.imgur.com/f5ELvEg.jpg

Too much esports

I am more interested in the girl as your wallpaper. :D

Link it to me? :D

Btw, yes, I am watching the same things... lol
"I've been to hell and back, and back to hell…and back. This time, I've brought Hell back with me."
Hylirion
Profile Joined March 2012
Netherlands968 Posts
March 09 2013 10:40 GMT
#470
I don't really understand how protoss can get a collosi+voidray+templar/archon composition. That seems crazy expensive...?
sibs
Profile Joined July 2012
635 Posts
March 09 2013 10:40 GMT
#471
On March 09 2013 19:38 Vindicare605 wrote:
Too passive. Zerg can't win if they just sit there and let Protoss build that army composition.


Now how does zerg attack a turtling protoss with FF, cannons, and possibly a void ray with a stargate opener (easy to shut down mutas)?
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
March 09 2013 10:40 GMT
#472
On March 09 2013 19:39 JJH777 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2013 19:39 MyTe wrote:
On March 09 2013 19:37 Integra wrote:
Wow, looks like I'll never watch another Z vs P again, until they patch this, and just assume protoss will win, too bad.


So u cant just sit on your bases and wait till bl / inf are rdy? Like zergs did the last 2 years? Really really feeling bad for you


If by 2 years you mean 6 months sure.


ROFL I can't believe that guy said 2 years when it's been 6-8 months god how short peoples memories are -_-.
When I think of something else, something will go here
Giriath
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden2412 Posts
March 09 2013 10:40 GMT
#473
On March 09 2013 19:38 Vindicare605 wrote:
Too passive. Zerg can't win if they just sit there and let Protoss build that army composition.


I really don't like this argument. If both players are passive and build tier three armies, one should not be vastly more powerful than the other.

I've been withholding any opinions on balance, but I'm beginning to suspect that void rays are too powerful in ZvP.
Education should be our seniors guiding us to be "who" we want to be, not "what" we want to be.
Liquid`TLO
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Germany767 Posts
March 09 2013 10:41 GMT
#474
On March 09 2013 19:39 nkr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2013 19:36 Liquid`TLO wrote:
On March 09 2013 19:33 ALPINA wrote:
when will zergs understand that it's so much more efficient to consume energy from different buildings..


because of the 0,27 hp/sec regeneration that you gain?

much more efficient, after 100 secs you'll have 27 more hp to consume

sorry for being cynical ;;

edit: consume on evos is freaking awesome, not complaining :D


hmm well it's 0,27 for every building D:


yea imagine if it's 4 building you get another free evo chamber after less than 13 minutes!
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dainbramage
Profile Joined August 2011
Australia1442 Posts
March 09 2013 10:41 GMT
#475
On March 09 2013 19:39 Megabuster123 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2013 19:38 Vindicare605 wrote:
Too passive. Zerg can't win if they just sit there and let Protoss build that army composition.


And how can zerg be aggressive without just going all-in...

One race has to allin before the other gets an unbeatable death army?

Man, that seems really familiar...
Integra
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Sweden5626 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-09 10:42:06
March 09 2013 10:41 GMT
#476
On March 09 2013 19:39 MyTe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2013 19:37 Integra wrote:
Wow, looks like I'll never watch another Z vs P again, until they patch this, and just assume protoss will win, too bad.


So u cant just sit on your bases and wait till bl / inf are rdy? Like zergs did the last 2 years? Really really feeling bad for you

As in it's freaking boring to watch, and yes I agree, the BL/infestor deathball was fucking horrible as well. The whole Protoss going mothership with vortex against Zerg BL/infestor was just as terrible. You really like to argue with people, don't you?
"Dark Pleasure" | | I survived the Locust war of May 3, 2014
vthree
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong8039 Posts
March 09 2013 10:41 GMT
#477
On March 09 2013 19:38 Strela wrote:
I hope zvp will get figured out sometime soon lol


We probably need to see what the top Korean zergs come up with. Life, Leenock, Symbol, Roro, HyuN, Soulkey, DRG, etc.
MyTe
Profile Joined August 2012
26 Posts
March 09 2013 10:41 GMT
#478
On March 09 2013 19:39 JJH777 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2013 19:39 MyTe wrote:
On March 09 2013 19:37 Integra wrote:
Wow, looks like I'll never watch another Z vs P again, until they patch this, and just assume protoss will win, too bad.


So u cant just sit on your bases and wait till bl / inf are rdy? Like zergs did the last 2 years? Really really feeling bad for you


If by 2 years you mean 6 months sure.


Well altleast i would take this 6 months and enjoy the mu vs z like zergs did vs p.
nkr
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Sweden5451 Posts
March 09 2013 10:42 GMT
#479
On March 09 2013 19:41 Liquid`TLO wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2013 19:39 nkr wrote:
On March 09 2013 19:36 Liquid`TLO wrote:
On March 09 2013 19:33 ALPINA wrote:
when will zergs understand that it's so much more efficient to consume energy from different buildings..


because of the 0,27 hp/sec regeneration that you gain?

much more efficient, after 100 secs you'll have 27 more hp to consume

sorry for being cynical ;;

edit: consume on evos is freaking awesome, not complaining :D


hmm well it's 0,27 for every building D:


yea imagine if it's 4 building you get another free evo chamber after less than 13 minutes!


it's all about the small things! :D
ESPORTS ILLUMINATI
Megabuster123
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada1837 Posts
March 09 2013 10:42 GMT
#480
On March 09 2013 19:41 dainbramage wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2013 19:39 Megabuster123 wrote:
On March 09 2013 19:38 Vindicare605 wrote:
Too passive. Zerg can't win if they just sit there and let Protoss build that army composition.


And how can zerg be aggressive without just going all-in...

One race has to allin before the other gets an unbeatable death army?

Man, that seems really familiar...

I don't understand what you're getting at...

WoL was imbalanced, therefore hots should be broken as well?
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