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JX
D1 you were all over JX. You were making reads based upon how people interacted with JX. You wrote a giant JX casewall - + Show Spoiler +
On January 22 2013 09:34 Vivax wrote:
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I took a look at what reads he meant.
Written by gonz very early, probably not serious:
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Here gonzaw says the same thing JX said later about me. We could interpret this as one of the reads JX was agreeing with.
It's also pretty interesting that austin and gonzaw share the same preference for stutters. Should be scrutinized.
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In summary, it looks like JX trusted gonzaw and his reads at the time. Among those, he preferred to comment on me rather than stutters or sandro.
However, in the next post:
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He's implying that both me and sandro were attacking him cause he's weak and suspecting us rather than responding directly to the points sandro made.
Telling us, the (scum)reads from gonzaw he agrees with, to "chill" lol.
I would rather expect a townie with us as scumreads to become suspicious of both of us here, not to write that we're just omgusing him as his defence.
He also says he doesn't want me as mayor, later he will say he would vote for me based on what Toad said.
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Okay. He agrees with gonzaws' reads, so he should find me, sandro and possibly stutters scummy. Yet he asks Toad a question about...gonzaw himself? Why? He knows he agrees with him, why is he asking information about him and not me or stutters?
As you see in the first post in this quotechain, Oats asked Toad about sandrobas reluctance to run for mayor.
Toad replied that he already wrote it (he wrote that it's troublesome that sandro's not running but later, that he still wants him elected even if he doesn't want it).
Now, JX doesn't care about that exchange, he asks Toad if sandro is bullshitting or feeling lazy (which is a strange question to ask about someone you should find concerning). All the while ignoring what has already been written about him.
These two are the sort of random stuff scum asks to look useful. Detached from their line of thought/set of reads.
More or less like this one in the second post after:
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He asks Toad another random question after he answered the previous one with this:
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As you see, Toad says sandro doesn't look like town sandro.
JX just asked him a question about sandro, gets a semi-null read as response, and doesn't give a fuck about it (I assume sandro would be his current suspect if he's asking questions about him and agrees with gonzaw).
He also doesn't ask why Toad doesn't want to talk about gonzaw.
No. He goes on to ask a question about a debears being talked about by austin.To which Toad replied:
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JX -again- never expanded on Toads' answer. What did he ask them for then?
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And subsequently he doesn't give a fuck about anything he was agreeing about with gonzaw earlier, yet he still wants him for mayor in a later post.
Then this here is also pretty scummy, but it's rather subjective:
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Would you say this to someone you think could be scum?
Please lynch JX
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On January 20 2013 17:23 JieXian wrote:
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I like what gonzaw's doing, actually making reads, most of which I agree with, while running for mayor. I do find Vivax disappearing after that long post running for mayor to be scummy.
*question to host and gonzaw vote*
*Joking about earlier game*
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I like what gonzaw's doing, actually making reads, most of which I agree with, while running for mayor. I do find Vivax disappearing after that long post running for mayor to be scummy.
*question to host and gonzaw vote*
*Joking about earlier game*
I took a look at what reads he meant.
Written by gonz very early, probably not serious:
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On January 20 2013 14:01 gonzaw wrote:
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Seems like sandro flipped scum again.
Unless you plan on telling us why you are not giving a shit about the mayor candidacy, which you would obviously do as town?
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Seems like sandro flipped scum again.
Unless you plan on telling us why you are not giving a shit about the mayor candidacy, which you would obviously do as town?
Here gonzaw says the same thing JX said later about me. We could interpret this as one of the reads JX was agreeing with.
It's also pretty interesting that austin and gonzaw share the same preference for stutters. Should be scrutinized.
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On January 20 2013 15:24 gonzaw wrote:
Just before I go to sleep 2 things caught my attention since I've skimmed the thread:
1)Vivax made his "campaign post" as soon as the game started, and completely disappeared. If he was town actually trying to be mayor...one would have thought he'd keep around trying to either do what town does (hunt scum as early as possible and start discussion) or at the very least answer questions regarding his mayor campaign.
2)Stutters' entrance in the game seemed pretty underwhelming. Even though there's nothing "solid" to go on about most people, he just seemed to ask seemingly "unrelated" questions without trying to participate that much in discussions. I saw him make his first "weak" post (at least in a general sense), then ask some questions, "lurk" in between and ask some other questions.
It's not much to go on, I'd want him to take a stance on the whole sandro issue and other candidates perhaps.
There are some guys I don't even know, like Fivesomething and Donotsomething, I take it they are smurfs?
Just before I go to sleep 2 things caught my attention since I've skimmed the thread:
1)Vivax made his "campaign post" as soon as the game started, and completely disappeared. If he was town actually trying to be mayor...one would have thought he'd keep around trying to either do what town does (hunt scum as early as possible and start discussion) or at the very least answer questions regarding his mayor campaign.
2)Stutters' entrance in the game seemed pretty underwhelming. Even though there's nothing "solid" to go on about most people, he just seemed to ask seemingly "unrelated" questions without trying to participate that much in discussions. I saw him make his first "weak" post (at least in a general sense), then ask some questions, "lurk" in between and ask some other questions.
It's not much to go on, I'd want him to take a stance on the whole sandro issue and other candidates perhaps.
There are some guys I don't even know, like Fivesomething and Donotsomething, I take it they are smurfs?
In summary, it looks like JX trusted gonzaw and his reads at the time. Among those, he preferred to comment on me rather than stutters or sandro.
However, in the next post:
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On January 21 2013 03:08 JieXian wrote:
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>_> You do know I can change my vote any time right? I was trying to get Axle to write so that everyone can understand him, telling toad to cool down and supporting my town read and someone I believe to be a strong player.
Moreover sandroba, this really is my first Mayor game. And by the way, I did say that I'm agreeing with gonzaw's read on you and you don't seem to be happy about it.
Because what you did was like a huge bet on the flop followed by a check without a dangerous card coming on the turn. You're not following up. That makes people suspicious.
I played against Vivax as mafia before and boy do we love having him lynch townies with his bad reads. Which was why I'm not voting for Vivax mayor.
If Vivax or sandroba were scum it's too stupid a move attacking the weakest player among those who had suspicions against you so I think at least 1 of you should chill.
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>_> You do know I can change my vote any time right? I was trying to get Axle to write so that everyone can understand him, telling toad to cool down and supporting my town read and someone I believe to be a strong player.
Moreover sandroba, this really is my first Mayor game. And by the way, I did say that I'm agreeing with gonzaw's read on you and you don't seem to be happy about it.
Because what you did was like a huge bet on the flop followed by a check without a dangerous card coming on the turn. You're not following up. That makes people suspicious.
I played against Vivax as mafia before and boy do we love having him lynch townies with his bad reads. Which was why I'm not voting for Vivax mayor.
If Vivax or sandroba were scum it's too stupid a move attacking the weakest player among those who had suspicions against you so I think at least 1 of you should chill.
He's implying that both me and sandro were attacking him cause he's weak and suspecting us rather than responding directly to the points sandro made.
Telling us, the (scum)reads from gonzaw he agrees with, to "chill" lol.
I would rather expect a townie with us as scumreads to become suspicious of both of us here, not to write that we're just omgusing him as his defence.
He also says he doesn't want me as mayor, later he will say he would vote for me based on what Toad said.
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On January 21 2013 03:25 JieXian wrote:
Since you know gonzaw what do you think about him so far then? Is Sandroba's bullshitting or is he feeling lazy?
Since you know gonzaw what do you think about him so far then? Is Sandroba's bullshitting or is he feeling lazy?
Okay. He agrees with gonzaws' reads, so he should find me, sandro and possibly stutters scummy. Yet he asks Toad a question about...gonzaw himself? Why? He knows he agrees with him, why is he asking information about him and not me or stutters?
As you see in the first post in this quotechain, Oats asked Toad about sandrobas reluctance to run for mayor.
Toad replied that he already wrote it (he wrote that it's troublesome that sandro's not running but later, that he still wants him elected even if he doesn't want it).
Now, JX doesn't care about that exchange, he asks Toad if sandro is bullshitting or feeling lazy (which is a strange question to ask about someone you should find concerning). All the while ignoring what has already been written about him.
These two are the sort of random stuff scum asks to look useful. Detached from their line of thought/set of reads.
More or less like this one in the second post after:
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On January 21 2013 03:52 JieXian wrote:
I already said everything I needed to say about Vivax for now with my earlier post >_> Vivax was sounding like he's saying COME AND GET ME, and as I said, I have no idea what was he thinking.
What do you think about debears being quiet and uninvolved like austin says?
Vivax mind explaining?
I already said everything I needed to say about Vivax for now with my earlier post >_> Vivax was sounding like he's saying COME AND GET ME, and as I said, I have no idea what was he thinking.
What do you think about debears being quiet and uninvolved like austin says?
Vivax mind explaining?
He asks Toad another random question after he answered the previous one with this:
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On January 21 2013 03:32 Toadesstern wrote:
Sandroba is weird. Him not running for mayor is weird without being alignment indicative at all. If anything it might be a towntell but I'm believing him when he said it's something he set his mind to pregame so it makes it a null-tell.
The few posts he did so far aren't looking like the usual townsandroba though. It's hard to judge based on so little but something's off and I have to figure out wether it's him being mafia or him playing different on purpose.
Don't want to say too much about gonzaw right now.
Sandroba is weird. Him not running for mayor is weird without being alignment indicative at all. If anything it might be a towntell but I'm believing him when he said it's something he set his mind to pregame so it makes it a null-tell.
The few posts he did so far aren't looking like the usual townsandroba though. It's hard to judge based on so little but something's off and I have to figure out wether it's him being mafia or him playing different on purpose.
Don't want to say too much about gonzaw right now.
As you see, Toad says sandro doesn't look like town sandro.
JX just asked him a question about sandro, gets a semi-null read as response, and doesn't give a fuck about it (I assume sandro would be his current suspect if he's asking questions about him and agrees with gonzaw).
He also doesn't ask why Toad doesn't want to talk about gonzaw.
No. He goes on to ask a question about a debears being talked about by austin.To which Toad replied:
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On January 21 2013 03:56 Toadesstern wrote:
didn't even realize he has posted yet :p
Seems like an ignore & observe to me right now. Anything said about him would be talking out of my ass everyone could do no matter of alingment because all there is is "dude's a lurker". No need for that right now.
didn't even realize he has posted yet :p
Seems like an ignore & observe to me right now. Anything said about him would be talking out of my ass everyone could do no matter of alingment because all there is is "dude's a lurker". No need for that right now.
JX -again- never expanded on Toads' answer. What did he ask them for then?
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On January 21 2013 04:07 JieXian wrote:
I'm asking for toad's professional vet opinion about somebody so I can read better
I'm asking for toad's professional vet opinion about somebody so I can read better
And subsequently he doesn't give a fuck about anything he was agreeing about with gonzaw earlier, yet he still wants him for mayor in a later post.
Then this here is also pretty scummy, but it's rather subjective:
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On January 21 2013 03:54 JieXian wrote:
Ok it means screaming and going quiet. If you're sleeping it's fine. I didn't not express my belief because I only have a suspicion. And it appears that you're sleeping.
Why are you expectnig me to continue pursuing you if you've provided an explaination?
Ok it means screaming and going quiet. If you're sleeping it's fine. I didn't not express my belief because I only have a suspicion. And it appears that you're sleeping.
Why are you expectnig me to continue pursuing you if you've provided an explaination?
Would you say this to someone you think could be scum?
JX flipped last night, and he was green.
Toad
You spent a while being all over Toad - + Show Spoiler +
On January 23 2013 23:43 Vivax wrote:
Lynch Toad, I'm willing to take full responsibility if it's a mislynch, but just lynch Toad cause it won't be.
CTRL-F all of the things he quotes and says about Oats and proceed to lynch him.
Lynch Toad, I'm willing to take full responsibility if it's a mislynch, but just lynch Toad cause it won't be.
CTRL-F all of the things he quotes and says about Oats and proceed to lynch him.
And many more
Gonzaw
You were suspicious of Gonzaw and I D1. You seem to have remained suspicious of Gonzaw, and have been voting/accusing him on and off - + Show Spoiler +
On January 24 2013 00:35 Vivax wrote:
##Vote Gonzaw
##Vote Gonzaw
On January 24 2013 04:32 Vivax wrote:
I'm not really seeing this, but I'm not paying that much attention right now.
Those 3 quotes of town/scum games don't tell me much at first glance
I'm not really seeing this, but I'm not paying that much attention right now.
Those 3 quotes of town/scum games don't tell me much at first glance
DAFUQ?
Gonzaw you made this too easy for me. Hf in your qt.
Mocsta
After a short interaction, it looks like you might believe Mocsta is scum - + Show Spoiler +
On January 24 2013 01:55 Mocsta wrote:
Vivax.. me?
My first choice is Oats, then Annul
I haven't gone through Gonzaw, sorry for being so slow.. its 1am here, and with now 2 ppl i feel strongly about, i dont see the point in reviewing Gonzaw + Im stil awaiting you commentary on Oats with the shy/confidence lying.
Vivax.. me?
My first choice is Oats, then Annul
I haven't gone through Gonzaw, sorry for being so slow.. its 1am here, and with now 2 ppl i feel strongly about, i dont see the point in reviewing Gonzaw + Im stil awaiting you commentary on Oats with the shy/confidence lying.
On January 24 2013 01:57 Vivax wrote:
It's a good post, it convinced me.
It's a good post, it convinced me.
On January 24 2013 01:57 Vivax wrote:
That you could be scum I mean.
That you could be scum I mean.
Yamato
Then you move on to Yamato - + Show Spoiler +
On January 24 2013 04:10 Vivax wrote:
Scum Yamato, british empire mm
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Town Yamato
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Wiggles was really mafia in this game when yamato was talking to him.
As you see, two different styles of talking to his scumreads.
But check his meta for yourself guys.
Scum Yamato, british empire mm
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On January 08 2013 11:41 yamato77 wrote:
Excuse me for having other things to do in my life besides prove to town that you are scum.
Are you going to do anything today besides defend yourself? Poorly,I might add.
I bring up plenty of points besides just the useful discussion point. You cannot deny it looks like straight up post-hoc rationale. You didn't intend to look scummy with your shit but now that you do and you realize people see it that way you're making up bullshit excuses for your shit play.
I'm dine with reading your useless posts. It is in town's best interest to see you hang.
##Vote: Mr Cheesecake
Excuse me for having other things to do in my life besides prove to town that you are scum.
Are you going to do anything today besides defend yourself? Poorly,I might add.
I bring up plenty of points besides just the useful discussion point. You cannot deny it looks like straight up post-hoc rationale. You didn't intend to look scummy with your shit but now that you do and you realize people see it that way you're making up bullshit excuses for your shit play.
I'm dine with reading your useless posts. It is in town's best interest to see you hang.
##Vote: Mr Cheesecake
On January 08 2013 07:48 yamato77 wrote:
Is your only response to my suspicion of you "lol"?
Let's say I vote you tomorrow with case attached, are you going to just lol that too?
Fucking useless.
Is your only response to my suspicion of you "lol"?
Let's say I vote you tomorrow with case attached, are you going to just lol that too?
Fucking useless.
On January 06 2013 19:02 yamato77 wrote:
Xatalos what the fuck is that post?
How is Shiao voting for a lurker who eventually got replaced scummy? He wants him to be more active, and somehow that's scum motivated?
His stances are not weak. He's been putting pressure on me since he made the post, and he wants to do so to you. It's not like he's just saying shit to say it.
And then this gem
"I guess it's about time to finally cast a vote"
Or in other words:
"I'm going to put this riiiiight here. Hopefully town doesn't think I'm scummy for this!"
That shit is weak, bro.
Xatalos what the fuck is that post?
How is Shiao voting for a lurker who eventually got replaced scummy? He wants him to be more active, and somehow that's scum motivated?
His stances are not weak. He's been putting pressure on me since he made the post, and he wants to do so to you. It's not like he's just saying shit to say it.
And then this gem
"I guess it's about time to finally cast a vote"
Or in other words:
"I'm going to put this riiiiight here. Hopefully town doesn't think I'm scummy for this!"
That shit is weak, bro.
Town Yamato
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On December 21 2012 06:07 yamato77 wrote:
I told you why I'm voting for you and your responses didn't help anything. I have plenty of reason.
Other people may have read this and thought the same things. Why is sheeping people with good reads a bad thing anyway?
I told you why I'm voting for you and your responses didn't help anything. I have plenty of reason.
Other people may have read this and thought the same things. Why is sheeping people with good reads a bad thing anyway?
On December 21 2012 06:11 yamato77 wrote:
Convince me on Vivax then. If he's so scummy make an updated case with more content. All you've done is post your read and then ask everyone else what they thought of your read. That doesn't feel like scum hunting to me.
Convince me on Vivax then. If he's so scummy make an updated case with more content. All you've done is post your read and then ask everyone else what they thought of your read. That doesn't feel like scum hunting to me.
On December 21 2012 06:19 yamato77 wrote:
The differ pence is focus. You keep saying Vivax is scum but you've spent a lot more time discrediting Palmer than pushing your read on Vivax. You are not scum hunting. You are throwing shit at a town player. This is my point.
I'm not being hypocritical because my focus is squarely set on you. You're scum, I'm voting for you, and I'm pushing my read and defending the case. You are doing none of these things.
The differ pence is focus. You keep saying Vivax is scum but you've spent a lot more time discrediting Palmer than pushing your read on Vivax. You are not scum hunting. You are throwing shit at a town player. This is my point.
I'm not being hypocritical because my focus is squarely set on you. You're scum, I'm voting for you, and I'm pushing my read and defending the case. You are doing none of these things.
Wiggles was really mafia in this game when yamato was talking to him.
As you see, two different styles of talking to his scumreads.
But check his meta for yourself guys.
I know you were also suspicious of me at some point, and probably of others. There are 4 mafia remaining. Only 4. If you honestly think Toad/Gonzaw/Mocsta/Yamato are mafia, that means we have 8000000 inactive/lurky townies. If you honestly think Toad/Gonzaw/Mocsta/Yamato are mafia, that means you think that a lot of the players you think are town are SERIOUSLY wrong about some reads that they all share. It may be the case, but it's very unlikely.
I have played with you in a couple games. I will assume you have reasons for doing whatever it is you're trying to do this game, whether scummy or townie reasons. But right now, you are flying off the handle at so many different people that I have more or less stopped reading your posts. Others have stopped reading your posts. If whatever you are trying to do involves "post good analysis that will be taken seriously" then you are shooting yourself in the foot. If not, carry on.
I'll just ask, do you honestly believe that the 4 people you have accused within the last...36 hours or so are scum? Do you believe that's a team, or just those people are scummy and you might be wrong about one or two? Do you actually believe we have NO scum in chezinu/annul/stutters/BKE/grush/clarity/fuba (that's roughly my list of inactive or lurky players)?
