EPTWe know he's not a pure troll from past games. Therefore, he's trying to do something for some reason. I'd rather it be a productive thing/somehow convince him that this isn't being productive than ignore it.
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
We know he's not a pure troll from past games. Therefore, he's trying to do something for some reason. I'd rather it be a productive thing/somehow convince him that this isn't being productive than ignore it. | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
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FiveTouch
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
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DearestSnot
Germany200 Posts
On January 24 2013 06:19 FiveTouch wrote: In a... useful turn of fortune, the two masons who masoned Chezinu on Day 1 masoned me today. Mocsta has just come up through the recent newbie games, so he's not a smurf. You believe they are both town? Did he say this to both of them? I am honestly down to kill him just based on this. | ||
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DearestSnot
Germany200 Posts
Names aren't necessary obviously. | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On January 24 2013 06:26 FiveTouch wrote: That sounds about right. Although you do put it slightly confusingly. Yeah, sorry. Toad has claimed mason. We have logs from his chats with Sandro, but for today we can only assume he masoned again, although it appears likely that he did. Therefore, he could be a mason, but still could be a JOAT. Yamato claimed that grush masoned him. This makes no sense if grush didn't, so we can assume grush masoned yamato. We do not know if grush has masoned anyone today. Grush could be a mason or a JOAT. 2 people apparently masoned Chezinu yesterday, and have also masoned you today. They have masoned more than once, so they can only be masons. | ||
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FiveTouch
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
On January 24 2013 06:27 DearestSnot wrote: You believe they are both town? Did he say this to both of them? I am honestly down to kill him just based on this. The two masons are two of my stronger town-reads, yes. I'm still not killing him today until he answers for it. If Chezinu AFKs out until towards the end of Day 3 without explaining it, he can be lynched then. | ||
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DearestSnot
Germany200 Posts
I don't see why a scum team would give him a mason role and then use it but not really use it, though. It's confusing. | ||
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DearestSnot
Germany200 Posts
On January 24 2013 06:32 FiveTouch wrote: The two masons are two of my stronger town-reads, yes. I'm still not killing him today until he answers for it. If Chezinu AFKs out until towards the end of Day 3 without explaining it, he can be lynched then. why is that, whom do you prefer as a lynch today? | ||
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FiveTouch
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
On January 24 2013 06:33 DearestSnot wrote: grush's mason is definitely the weirdest. He basically just masoned yamato and afked. Why yamato? I don't see why a scum team would give him a mason role and then use it but not really use it, though. It's confusing. I agree, none of it makes much sense to me either. And grush hasn't answered that very question I put to him whenever it was. | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On January 24 2013 06:33 DearestSnot wrote: I actually thought about it earlier.grush's mason is definitely the weirdest. He basically just masoned yamato and afked. Why yamato? I don't see why a scum team would give him a mason role and then use it but not really use it, though. It's confusing. If you're mafia and you've got a mason role to use, you're probably going to do so. No sense passing up a role. But maybe you worry, or some portion of your team worries, that a mafia mason will eventually be outed because they'll slip in mason chats, or nobody feels comfortable handling the role of mafia mason. Most people find grush unreadable. Perhaps you give him that role, because you assume people won't catch him slipping in mason chats, and that he can just be grush in mason chats as well as he can be grush in game. I don't like that argument because you're still essentially voiding the power by using it to do more or less nothing. But in terms of "who is the least at risk to get found out because of mason communication," Grush seems like a likely option. | ||
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FiveTouch
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
And before you complain at me that you're sure he's town, you've also been quite sure others have been town recently and been incorrect. | ||
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DearestSnot
Germany200 Posts
There was a time not so long ago that I would probably have defended him from the lynch but it's just not worth it :p | ||
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Vivax
22298 Posts
You're so easily to influence Bugs, scum just plays their games with you. | ||
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Vivax
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DearestSnot
Germany200 Posts
On January 24 2013 06:35 austinmcc wrote: I actually thought about it earlier. If you're mafia and you've got a mason role to use, you're probably going to do so. No sense passing up a role. But maybe you worry, or some portion of your team worries, that a mafia mason will eventually be outed because they'll slip in mason chats, or nobody feels comfortable handling the role of mafia mason. Most people find grush unreadable. Perhaps you give him that role, because you assume people won't catch him slipping in mason chats, and that he can just be grush in mason chats as well as he can be grush in game. I don't like that argument because you're still essentially voiding the power by using it to do more or less nothing. But in terms of "who is the least at risk to get found out because of mason communication," Grush seems like a likely option. right, but the scumteam gets to choose to whom they give the mason role. Why would they give it to grush over someone else? Just so that he has some minor thing to claim in case he gets suspected? Grush is not going to do anything with it regardless of his alignment, perhaps he might do more with it if he were town, who knows. I think it would be dangerous to assume that all the masons are town. It's possible we have only seen a subset of the masons, or that scum chose not to use the mason roles. However, in light of those who have claimed mason and if FT is to be believed then we should really try to get something out of grush. Someone should shoot him, IMO. (although we may not have a vigi and in that case it's just better to simply get him lynched) | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On January 24 2013 06:40 DearestSnot wrote: right, but the scumteam gets to choose to whom they give the mason role. Why would they give it to grush over someone else? Just so that he has some minor thing to claim in case he gets suspected? Grush is not going to do anything with it regardless of his alignment, perhaps he might do more with it if he were town, who knows. I think it would be dangerous to assume that all the masons are town. It's possible we have only seen a subset of the masons, or that scum chose not to use the mason roles. However, in light of those who have claimed mason and if FT is to be believed then we should really try to get something out of grush. Someone should shoot him, IMO. (although we may not have a vigi and in that case it's just better to simply get him lynched) Oh no, there's no way that all masons are town. Heck, right now I'm scummy on grush just because usually he participates and does whatever, whereas this time he's just not doing anything. But if I, or anyone else, thinks he's scum, that has to be reconciled with the fact that either he's a mason or JOAT OR both grush and yamato are scum (otherwise no reason for yamato to lie). I see no reason for yamato to lie, for them to out two members just...to say that grush can mason? So I'll assume he actually had mason powers (especially given that we had 3 NKs and nobody claimed one, so it's likely that the third KP was a mafia JOAT). If he's scum, he got them for a reason, and that's all I could come up with for why mafia would put him as a mason over someone else. It doesn't lock into place and cause everything to make sense, but ... it's all I can come up with. | ||
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FiveTouch
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
On January 24 2013 06:37 DearestSnot wrote: well if we're lynching Oats then I'm not going to oppose it. I'm probably the only player who believes that he's town, so I'm willing to just let him die. There was a time not so long ago that I would probably have defended him from the lynch but it's just not worth it :p The problem with Oats is that he just lies or contradicts himself repeatedly. I can't reconcile it with him being town at all. Here's me pressuring him in obviously quite a serious manner: On January 23 2013 23:48 FiveTouch wrote: What counts is that you were immediately suspicious of Mocsta in the game you just finished playing, and in general you were suspicious of many players Day 1. Which is the complete opposite of your attitude this game. He defends himself from what I said: On January 23 2013 23:51 Oatsmaster wrote: More players/better players. I can honestly say I thought that in the Newbie game I would be one of the town leaders Here, I shy.  So the reason that he's not suspicious of players this game, completely unlike his most recent game, is that he's shy, he's taking a backseat. Except he's now asserting he's actually more confident: On January 24 2013 00:40 Oatsmaster wrote: Mocsta, I have become more confident to pressure people. Uhuh, so other than the start of the game, which was poor play which I already addressed, Wouldnt you say im more confident than in my Chrono game? And that him being shy is a joke: On January 24 2013 00:50 Oatsmaster wrote: Cant a guy try to make a joke and be cute about it? Apparently not. Anyway, gonna sleep now. Vivax, please think before you post. So him being shy is a joke. So, back to my original, valid point - why is Oatsmaster not suspicious of people this game and pointing fingers and making cases? It can't be because he's shy, because that was a joke. But then, in fact, there's no answer for it at all and the point stands. His whole play this game is marred by contradictions such as these, and his meta heavily supports him being mafia. | ||
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Vivax
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FiveTouch
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
On January 24 2013 06:54 Vivax wrote: And what makes you think he isn't a bad townie? The fact he plays nothing like this as town is a good one. You know, the lack of suspicion/aggression that I mention in the very post you're replying to, if you're able to read. | ||
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