EPTIf he was scum, he'd try to get elected as scum mayor, specially since he did try to get elected at one point in time, based on his activity and how he was playing at the time
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
If he was scum, he'd try to get elected as scum mayor, specially since he did try to get elected at one point in time, based on his activity and how he was playing at the time Holy shit Vivax | ||
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FiveTouch
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
On January 24 2013 04:32 Vivax wrote: DAFUQ? Gonzaw you made this too easy for me. Hf in your qt. I sincerely hope you have smoked a large amount of wacky backy. yamato did not try to get himself elected - therefore if he were scum he wasn't pushing to become scum mayor. yamato voted for me - thus again not voting for mafia. | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
On January 23 2013 23:29 FiveTouch wrote: Anyway, gonzaw. His prplhz stuff looks bad, although to be fair he's not the only one. The problem with gonzaw is that he should really know better. What do you mean by "should know better"? prplhz obviously wasn't a "bad lynch" by D1 by any standards. I just felt it was mostly a shot in the dark, he could flip scum or town. Thus I didn't feel he would be a good lynch on D1 ahead of other people I felt WAY more confident on, like Oats, and some people that I was not that sure (because their lack of activity basically) but still felt more confident on, like Stutters, and maybe Clarity. There's one other post I've had written down since I read it in Day 1, I didn't like the bolded at all, casually suggesting he wouldn't have ran for mayor as mafia. I absolutely believe gonzaw would run for mayor as mafia, so this looks quite bad to me. Well, I don't really know how you would take that, but it's true. I didn't push a mayor candidacy on me on pre-game, and that obviously happened before I got my role PM. At the time I was thinking "I want to be mayor so bad....but if I flip scum I may regret going all in about a mayor candidacy on pre-game, it basically forces me to run for mayor as scum, no matter what" I dunno if I would have run as mayor as scum, maybe I would. It would heavily depend on what team I was in (for instance I dont' think I'd seriously run as mayor if my scumteam was you+wbg+sandro for instance). That could be WIFOM and I have no way of saying if I would or not....so yeah I don't think we should really dwell on that to be honest. On January 23 2013 12:09 DearestSnot wrote: I like gonzaw for a lynch actually. I feel like some of the things he has said are almost too dumb from a town gonzaw. In particular, his opposition to the prplhz lynch, while he somewhat supported Oats, and his opinions all game have been really neutral. I don't believe I've seen him taken a hard stance on really anything, and he is not really that proactive about his reads or his pushes. I always get the "gonzaw seems too dumb to be town" thing often, but I seriously can't see what I'm doing "dumb" this game (in contrast to, for instance, my derps in Can't Believe). I think you are rushing this too much. You don't even seem to believe I'm scum with this. I take it it's the whole night kill issue and my comments, which I can easily explain to avoid misunderstandings. If I seem "neutral" at times (which I don't really see, maybe with some players like annul/BKE/lurkers/etc last night), then...well I dunno. If I am indeed at points, it may be because this is a big game and it's harder for me to keep up than minis, and I prefer to "waste my time" being in the thread and seeing/being part of interactions/discussions. I'm too lazy at times to reread filters in big games and make "in-depth" analysis  His mayoral campaign was what...he'd be transparent? Posting a lot is not the same as being transparent, particularly as I don't even remember what his lynch candidate was. My mayoral campaing was that I'd try to establish my innocent and hunt scum, like I do every time I'm town. Yes, I always try to be transparent when town as well. Don't know why you don't feel like I was, I think I was. My lynch candidate, or rather "who I wanted Five to lynch", was Oats on D1 basically. At that point I was still not 100% sure so I wouldn't have mind a lynch on Stutters, or maybe Clarity, at least at one point in time. After I basically knew I wasn't the mayor any more, I didn't try to desperately "find a lynch candidate now!", and instead try to find who I'd want Five to lynch, or ultimately (if something unexpected happened, like someone else becoming mayor, or maybe even me) who I'd be okay with the elected guy lynching. On January 23 2013 20:45 Toadesstern wrote: gonzaw looks / looked a townie so far and I really thought he'd die as a secondary target as you can see when you're reading the logs between Sandro and myself. And Sandro agreed so that's one of the reaons I'm talking about Gonzaw right now. Well I obviously didn't. Stop WIFOMing yourself like this Toad. After you started basically yelling at medics who to protect (me/austin/sandro/wbg), I had a feeling I wouldn't die at night, which is why I wasn't surprised about the night kills (again, except the sandro one, which did seem like scum took a risk at shooting). | ||
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Stutters695
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On January 24 2013 04:23 Vivax wrote: Doesn't need that much time to read the little bit I wrote about yamato right? Why don't you do a quickie on that? I'm just now reading your interactions with yamato but I'm 99 per cent sure that when he talked to you (also scum) that he was significantly more hostile than your quotes imply. Also did it to a dew townies. I need to check his filter in empire but I'm not sold at all right now. His play emotionally feels really similar to what it was like when we were in YANMM. | ||
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Vivax
22080 Posts
It's cute that you are still trying though. Maybe it works with this town. FT, yamato announced his candidacy to lynch me. It's damning for you that you didn't read the part you're talking about, and that you feel like defending yamato without commenting on the meta. It was a cool day 1 bus though. Just a scummy goon after all, right? | ||
yamato77
11589 Posts
Just go away. | ||
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FiveTouch
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
If he were scum, that's what he would be doing. It's so simple to comprehend. yamato is fairly clearly town because of his meta, not mafia. If you read the scumQT of his mafia game and the game itself, it's clear he both participated in really weird logic, and struggled much more to post than is the case here. Here he is often driving discussion forward, something he never did in his game as mafia. You need to take a break, Vivax. | ||
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Vivax
22080 Posts
You could post counter-examples. | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
On January 23 2013 15:17 debears wrote: Ok. WBG I'll give you something to look at for Gonzaw. I htink the bottom stuff in red is the most pertaining to why I believe he is scum What is mafia trying to accomplish d1 with election 1) elect one of their own as mayor/sheriff 2) Trying to elect mayor who will get the first lynch wrong 3) Have someone on the correct mayor for town cred Gonzaw- - slight scum Up for election - didn't push it hard Didn't want to budge too fast on 5touch as mayor -----> didn't seem to care for trying to get mayor over 5 You might want to reread my mayor campaign. I wanted D1 to run "smoothly as normal", and if people thought I was a good mayor candidate by mid-late D1 then it'd be great if they voted me. I was also absent/sleeping for much part of Five "rising to power". When I woke up one day Five already had like 5-6 votes and I had none, I obviously wasn't becoming mayor by that point and he was. No comment on prplhz----> Don't agree with prplhz lynch Heavy pressure on sandro early Wanted to lynch stutters and Oats and Clarity -spread out btw those 4. Big discrepancy in treatment btw prplhz and sandro treatment for being inactive d1 Votes himself sandro is sandro. When town he does big plays as early as possible, he tries to "bully the setup", break the game, and have town win as early as possible. You can't obviously compare him with prplhz. Really wanted to convince 5touch to lynch Oats over prplhz when realized he won't be mayor Yes I did. I don't think it matters anyways, since I believe Oats to be scum. Lol this actually reminds me of Aperture Mafia 2. I was on scum's tail all D1 (JingleHell), but made some "wishy washy" comments about the current lynched scum (iamp). I got flak for it the whole game and basically forced me to claim, when I was right all along lol. Funny how it's likely to be happening this game as well http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17590733 Thought stutters was scum and should be lynched, yet needs to explain himself to stutters so in depth? With a tone of treating Oats as town? Look at post before "stutters should be lynched" http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17599229 Does it again. Then names Oats first in the scum team Tries to convince Oats that Oats is scum. Not really trying to convince others and show scum motivation You don't seem to be familiar with my play. When I "try to convince my target he is scum", I'm obviously not doing that. What I'm doing is: -If somehow that guy is town, point out the scummy things he's doing, and how they come from a mafia perspective. If he's town, hopefully this will make him realize what he's doing and change his play accordingly, so he doesn't get misslynched -I want the guy to know why he's scummy, this way he has no way to hide. If he keeps acting like he is doing after I mention that, then it means he acknowledged what I said but didn't care about it. That is a strong indication of mafia for me (or at points, depending on his play, maybe a townie), depending on his reactions. -If the guy is scum, then it also kills 2 birds with 1 stone by showing other people why he's scum. | ||
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FiveTouch
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
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yamato77
11589 Posts
On January 24 2013 04:50 Vivax wrote: Why did you take all this time just to dodge my questions and call me an idiot though? You could post counter-examples. I really just don't give a shit about your opinion. You're not going to get me lynched anyway so what's the point? | ||
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Vivax
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Would have been a little...telling? | ||
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Vivax
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yamato77
11589 Posts
Are you going to get me lynched? No. Are you trying to associate me with FT? That's fine, I don't care, he's town, I'm town, and we're fucking happy about it. Are you trying to associate me with Gonzaw like you did with Toad? Really productive there. | ||
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Vivax
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
It does seem "odd" that Toad just happened to not protect sandro and sandro died....but it doesn't mean much, it doesn't automatically make him scum like you are saying, specially since he told medics to protect sandro, which if he was scum he'd have thought they could have. I may need to reread Toad's filter, but from D1/N1 I had him as basically very likely town. Him flip-flopping on me based on WIFOM does remind me of when he was scum in MTG Mafia lol (when Nova wasn't killed by scum and he started WIFOMing all over the place). Hmm...interesting, hope you are not doing the same shit again Toad >_> On January 24 2013 04:54 FiveTouch wrote: gonzaw, you haven't been as much a central figure as I expected you to be this game. Is there a reason for this? Well, here's the thing: Mafia games take like 70% of my free time. I need to be constantly reading the thread, catching up with the thread, at times rereading filters, etc. I decided to do some other shit this weak, since I'm on holidays. So I spent some of my free time playing games, or reading, or playing guitar, etc. I also go to sleep late, and wake up late (like 3-4 pm in here). Most of that stuff takes time away from playing mafia, although not that much when I'm just skimming the thread. It's been some time since I played a "big game" as town (last one was Aperture 1 I believe, but it was like 1 year ago), maybe that has to do with it. Although honestly I wouldn't know, I guess it just happens. I take it by "you haven't been such a central figure" I assume you mean like when I am in mini's (can't believe, aperture 2, etc) right? Honestly I can't really say, except for the above which may have an impact. Also, I dunno why you'd ask me that if you expect me to be scum. You know I could "satisfy" that question as scum too. | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
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yamato77
11589 Posts
On January 24 2013 05:04 Vivax wrote: Why are you saying that FT is town but gonzaw isn't Because I haven't had the time to filter Gonzaw yet. Seriously, just leave this alone. If by some fucking miracle you are town you need to realize you're pursuing an unproductive line of thought in believing that Ft/Toad/Yamato/Gonzaw is the four-man scum team you're looking for. Right now I'm far more inclined to think you're just mafia shitting up the thread and causing confusion. I would kill you except for FT's read on you. | ||
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