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slOosh
3291 Posts
In fact, if he agrees that hopeless is scum, as do Hapa, iamp, then there is no reason to give hopeless another cycle to survive. There is no reason to lynch me today, lynch hopeless next cycle. More preferential treatment. WBG, put your money where your mouth is. If I'm obviously scum, then surely you can convince town that I'm scum later right? ##Vote: hopeless1der | ||
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slOosh
3291 Posts
On January 16 2013 12:53 Hapahauli wrote: Welp. This is a lot to digest right now. I'll have to sleep on this some and see what I come up with tomorrow. Between Hopeless and WBG, who do you think is more likely to flip scum? I think lynching hopeless today is the correct play as four of us (Hapa slOosh WBG and iamp) have good scum reads on him. | ||
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slOosh
3291 Posts
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
Given that he flipped town, I had to reevaluate in light of that knowledge. Not doing that is stupid. As for the rest of this shit, notice slOosh has still not voted. He seems to be gauging the thread to see whether he's going to be able to get support to lynch me, or if he's going to have to swap over to Hopeless. If I am right, and I have a 95% confidence that slOosh is scum and maybe about 70-80% that he is scum with Hopeless, he's doing this because if there is no support to lynch me then he is going to be forced to bus. This explains the lack of vote completely. Any townie in this situation would have picked one or the other-the stronger read, and would have gone with it. He's worrying about having to change his opinion, something townies don't worry about. Anyway, I'm gonna be watching Rounders so I'll be back later (I'm actually probably out for the night). Thanks for playing slOosh, better luck when you roll scum next time. | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
alright, fair enough. Let's bring out Hopeless and then we can move onto this slOosh business later. ##unvote ##vote Hopeless1der | ||
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thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
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Hopeless1der
United States5836 Posts
On January 16 2013 12:56 slOosh wrote: I think lynching hopeless today is the correct play as four of us (Hapa slOosh WBG and iamp) have good scum reads on him. You are, all four of you, retarded. My response to the apathy for the lynch: no one seemed interested in talking to me, and I'm generally far more active when I'm about to die. Thrawn saw fit to shit on my Prom read with: On January 15 2013 02:51 thrawn2112 wrote: and neglected to respond when I asked him directly about my supersoft scumread. Clearly he doesn't (or at least didn't) care much for what I have to say. SlOosh, you asked me why I wasn't pushing my own read, but its not like I could have stopped you from voting Prom. The whole point of that exercise was to question my motives, not to see if I had anything new to contribute. Hapa is next to impossible to reason with, and when was the last time you saw grush respond to any form of logic? Attempting to get Lazer lynched when Prom was afk and super didn't give two shits (hell, he swapped onto a townread) wasn't remotely possible, and if you honestly believe I had a chance in hell, please tell me what you are smoking. Prior to Ruuch mucking up the thread, these were the votes on Prom: Slightly Modified Votecount Cakecount: Xatalos (1): jaybrundage Promethelax (6): slOosh, Hapahauli, thrawn2112, grush57, MrZentor, Xatalos Lazermonkey (3): Promethelax, Hopeless1der, supersoft MrZentor (1): wherebugsgo wherebugsgo (1): Lazermonkey Not Voting (1): Ruuch Currently, Promethelax is set to be lynched! ~1.75 hours left until the deadline. PM me or CC if I dun screwed up the count. Remember - you must vote! The Final Votecount: Xatalos (1): jaybrundage Promethelax (7): slOosh, thrawn2112, grush57, MrZentor, Xatalos, Ruuch, Supersoft Lazermonkey (1): Promethelax Ruuch (4): Lazermonkey, wherebugsgo, Hapahauli, Hopeless1der I'm more inclined to believe bugs and Ruuch(Lamp) are town, so right now my choices to vote are Lazer and SlOosh, and possibly Hapa for no other reason than his vote was in scummy places. sidenote, I find it funny that I'm everyone's scum buddy and now you're all forced to "bus" me. On January 15 2013 09:05 Lazermonkey wrote: Meh, told you so... In response to Prom's lynch. Yeah he told us, just like I did, right? Except I never tried to blame the thread or take credit for my read of Prom. ##Vote: Lazermonkey Going to bed in like 10 minutes. | ||
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thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
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Xatalos
Finland9673 Posts
##Vote wherebugsgo @WBG: anything to say for your defense? You have posted a lot after I made my case but never even mentioned it. Why are you avoiding defending yourself and instead just diverting to an easy lynch of Hopeless? @Jay: you've been pretty lurky lately and haven't pushed your reads at any point in the game. Why are you not scum? @Hopeless: why were you apathetic just because "nobody was talking to you"? As town, you should be proactive. Scum are reactive. That's an extremely reactive way of thinking. @Sloosh: your play hasn't been looking good lately. Lurking the night, then going for the easiest possible wagon when pressured. Not to mention going for me with a big case D1 but forgetting about it soon after - did you just see it wasn't going anywhere and jumped off the ship? | ||
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jaybrundage
United States3921 Posts
But its mostly just a test case to see if WBG is scummy. When WBG starts putting pressure on him he OMGUS's but ends up backing off and saying lets just lynch Hopeless1der instead. I agree that Hopeless hasn't contributed much at all this game and that he does look scummy. But the fact that Sloosh wants to vote for hopeless seems really suspect to me. Why would scum vote for there partner when there are other lynch candidates today. He could of picked out of alot of different people like grush lazer. It doesn't make any sense that he would pick someone that would be his partner. It feels like Sloosh is taking the easy way out. He didnt feel confident to try to lych town WBG so he backs off and decided to go for Hopeless again. @Xatalos Its called doing shit man you should try it. Also did you not read my grush case i still feel he's scum. But as of yet there has been no support for lynching him and he has yet to post anything much since then. Don't think I have forgotten you. While your posting hasn't sucked as much dick as did before. Doesn't mean I dont think your not scum. ##Vote SloOsh | ||
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jaybrundage
United States3921 Posts
On January 16 2013 13:58 thrawn2112 wrote: ##Vote: Lazermonkey Do you think that one of SloOsh or WBG are scum? You seem to avoid the entire interaction between them. Also whats your read on Hopeless1der? | ||
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Lazermonkey
Sweden2176 Posts
Filter: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=373946&user=123725 | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
Hopeless1der (3): Hapahauli, slOosh, wherebugsgo Lazermonkey (2): Hopeless1der, thrawn wherebugsgo (1): Xatalos slOosh (1): jaybrundage Not voting (4): iamperfection, MrZentor, grush57, Lazermonkey Currently, Hopeless1der is set to be lynched! ~36 hours until deadline. | ||
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thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
On January 16 2013 17:31 jaybrundage wrote: Do you think that one of SloOsh or WBG are scum? You seem to avoid the entire interaction between them. Also whats your read on Hopeless1der? I had a town read on wbg during most of n1 and hadn't decided on sloosh but was leaning scum. Watching them fight and then peacefully agree to lynch hopeless has made me more suspicious of both of them. Sloosh's is position is harder to understand so I'd bet on at least sloosh being scum. On January 16 2013 12:54 slOosh wrote: The vote thing is an alignment null point, something a town WBG would totally be keen on. By this point whenever I place my vote WBG is gonna misconstrue it as "this is what scum slOosh would do". I never even intended to push him this cycle, so he is trying to goad me into doing it, taking the pressure off hopeless. In fact, if he agrees that hopeless is scum, as do Hapa, iamp, then there is no reason to give hopeless another cycle to survive. There is no reason to lynch me today, lynch hopeless next cycle. More preferential treatment. WBG, put your money where your mouth is. If I'm obviously scum, then surely you can convince town that I'm scum later right? ##Vote: hopeless1der In the first paragraph sloosh calls wbg scum. In the second paragraph sloosh turns "wbg is scum" into "we should lynch hopeless." How does that make any sense? My guess is that either they are both scum (least likely and kinda dumb) or one of them is scum and is backing down by lynching the other's scumread | ||
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iamperfection
United States9634 Posts
Why do you have a strong town read on Mr. Zentor based on meta when he said before the game he was changing his style. When i read his filter i dont see many town like traits. He shirked his vote responsibility when he voted prom. He hasnt pushed many scum reads at all, He keeps screaming meta as his defense when he said before the game he would change it @ Hopeless You said people had their votes in scummy places can you be more specific on the who and the why. | ||
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Hopeless1der
United States5836 Posts
On January 17 2013 00:29 iamperfection wrote: *-/-* @ Hopeless You said people had their votes in scummy places can you be more specific on the who and the why. Hapa especially had his vote in scummy places. Assuming of course that you are town, he swapped off of his scumread onto an unknown for policy like reasons. Super was the one who had to put his foot down and say fuck you all, we kill the guy we were going to kill. I don't think Ruuch was scum, so swapping off Prom (town) onto Ruuch (I think town) looks really scummy to me. Hapa fits that bill. People that voted for Prom are scummy(ier) than others because we know Prom was town. We know Prom and Super were initially on Lazer, as was I. This makes the probability that scum were on Prom's wagon much higher. Lazer's vote was off in a corner on wbg. He didn't really have a better place to put it I suppose, as he was the counter-wagon, but he stated a townread on Prom and did nothing to prevent his lynch other than laugh and then blame the thread. His reasons for voting bugs were poorly defined and his vote felt like a throw-away, simply because he had to vote. Bugs' vote was on Zentor, until Ruuch showed his face. Bugs didn't do much to stop the Prom lynch, other than trying to get Ruuch at the last minute. This move puts him under suspicion, same as Hapa, but based on the night conversations, I believe only 1 of SlOosh and wbg are scum. I'm not discounting the possibility that both sloosh and wbg are scum, but it seems far less likely, and I think sloosh is more suspicious (/sheep bugs). Jay afk'd so his vote was left on Xata. My reasons for continuing after Lazer are that I know 3 townies (and only 3 townies) were on him all of Day 1 (so was bugs for a short while). I consider it unlikely that scum ignored a wagon like that unless Lazer is scum. This is obviously in addition to my assertion that he failed to demonstrate why jay was scum in his case and subsequently took to attacking me/my case against him, instead of fleshing out his case like I asked (repeatedly). | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
Would you be down to lynch slOosh? For the record I'd be willing to lynch into any of slOosh/LM/grush/Zentor, my priority being that order. | ||
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Hopeless1der
United States5836 Posts
On January 17 2013 01:25 wherebugsgo wrote: Supposing you're town, hopeless: Would you be down to lynch slOosh? For the record I'd be willing to lynch into any of slOosh/LM/grush/Zentor, my priority being that order. Yes I would. I'm not willing to lynch grush though, I'm dumb enough to believe in his STARSENSES. | ||
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Xatalos
Finland9673 Posts
On January 16 2013 20:17 Lazermonkey wrote: I'm wary of lynching Hopeless. I think his play this game is VERY similar to his play last game. I tunneled the shit out of him that game for stuff that are very much alike to this game. He didn't really push scum reads, he seemed very uninterested in the D1 lynch(both canidates were town), etc. Needless to say, he was town. I'm not actually very confident in lynching Hopeless. Filter: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=373946&user=123725 Hopeless is definitely not our best lynch. He may have a reasonable chance of flipping scum, but there's nothing particularly damning about him. Then again, if you look at WBG's usual strong town play and his seriously sheepish and subtly suspicion-spreading attitude this game, he must be scum. On January 16 2013 17:28 jaybrundage wrote: Sloosh looks like scum to me. He makes a a case on Hopeless1der. But its mostly just a test case to see if WBG is scummy. When WBG starts putting pressure on him he OMGUS's but ends up backing off and saying lets just lynch Hopeless1der instead. I agree that Hopeless hasn't contributed much at all this game and that he does look scummy. But the fact that Sloosh wants to vote for hopeless seems really suspect to me. Why would scum vote for there partner when there are other lynch candidates today. He could of picked out of alot of different people like grush lazer. It doesn't make any sense that he would pick someone that would be his partner. It feels like Sloosh is taking the easy way out. He didnt feel confident to try to lych town WBG so he backs off and decided to go for Hopeless again. @Xatalos Its called doing shit man you should try it. Also did you not read my grush case i still feel he's scum. But as of yet there has been no support for lynching him and he has yet to post anything much since then. Don't think I have forgotten you. While your posting hasn't sucked as much dick as did before. Doesn't mean I dont think your not scum. ##Vote SloOsh It feels like your posting is getting a bit better as time goes on. At least you're actually posting reads now... Still, your Day 1 play was pretty damn scummy. You avoided giving actual reads for most of the day, then OMGUS-voted me and avoided doing anything about the actual lynch candidates after that. There's really nothing you can do about that now, so even though your latest posts are a change for the better, it doesn't remove how Day 1 played out. | ||
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MrZentor
United States1648 Posts
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