EPTHuh ... I guess I tipped my hand. I think you are scum.
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slOosh
3291 Posts
Huh ... I guess I tipped my hand. I think you are scum. | ||
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slOosh
3291 Posts
I planned on testing out my read of WBG by presenting my read on hopeless. I think hopeless is scum, and wanted to push him today and gauge WBG's reactions accordingly, especially since it seemed WBG was showing, what I perceive as, some unwarranted leniency to hopeless. Of course this is something characterized under tone, feel etc. which is why I wanted to see his response to better gauge it. I will now field any and all questions. | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
I call you scum, vote you, and say that I will tunnel the fuck out of you unless you give reads. You see it, panic, and take lots of time to post a half-assed read of someone who you haven't mentioned all game, but happens to be one of my scumreads too, perhaps in the hope that you will get me to agree with you, drop you as a target, and lynch the other guy instead. I think you're both scum, and that post was made as a calculated risk. Too bad your execution was shit. You die today. Hopeless dies tomorrow. | ||
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iamperfection
United States9640 Posts
On January 16 2013 10:58 slOosh wrote: Might as well come out with it all. I planned on testing out my read of WBG by presenting my read on hopeless. I think hopeless is scum, and wanted to push him today and gauge WBG's reactions accordingly, especially since it seemed WBG was showing, what I perceive as, some unwarranted leniency to hopeless. Of course this is something characterized under tone, feel etc. which is why I wanted to see his response to better gauge it. I will now field any and all questions. what did you expect his reactions to be with each alignment? | ||
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slOosh
3291 Posts
On January 16 2013 11:00 wherebugsgo wrote: nah, this is exactly what I would expect from scum slOosh. I call you scum, vote you, and say that I will tunnel the fuck out of you unless you give reads. You see it, panic, and take lots of time to post a half-assed read of someone who you haven't mentioned all game, but happens to be one of my scumreads too, perhaps in the hope that you will get me to agree with you, drop you as a target, and lynch the other guy instead. I think you're both scum, and that post was made as a calculated risk. Too bad your execution was shit. You die today. Hopeless dies tomorrow. Ok I'll slowly visit WBG's posts to show the subtle moves he makes in each one, starting from the ones he made today. In fact, I think the reality is that WBG saw Hapa's case on hopeless and is using my mislynch as a diversion. He is straight out lying about calling hopeless a scumread. On January 14 2013 10:55 wherebugsgo wrote: On reread Hopeless doesn't seem that bad, just really lazy. I want him to actually do something though, or I may consider pushing him tomorrow, assuming I'm alive. On January 15 2013 07:42 wherebugsgo wrote: Also lol @ hopeless. sadly I can't tell whether you're scum trying to appear reasonable or whether you're simply town. Sigh. On January 15 2013 11:19 wherebugsgo wrote: anyway on a serious note: the two who escaped lynch yesterday through that prom debacle were Lazer and Xatalos. I am more suspicious of Xatalos, considering that he wasn't around as much during lynch time. He just kinda slinked away, while Lazer at the very least was around and doing stuff. His only contributions really were asking slOosh why his opinion changed on him-very self-centric. Hapa, thrawn, and slOosh I basically have auto-town reads on. I hope they don't turn into the sciberbias of this game. (I had an auto-town read on Prom too) Xatalos (1): jaybrundage Promethelax (7): slOosh, thrawn2112, grush57, MrZentor, Xatalos, Ruuch, Supersoft Lazermonkey (1): Promethelax Ruuch (4): Lazermonkey, wherebugsgo, Hapahauli, Hopeless1der The bolded votes are shady. Ruuch avoided a modkill/replacement by voting right before the deadline. I think that's too close to consider that coincidence. We will have to kill him at some point and there's almost no way scum will shoot him, ever. I suppose we can push him off till later, but I know the game will come down to it at some point. Jay, don't waste your vote tomorrow if you are town. If I die tonight and jay gets away without contributing much, please someone tunnel the fuck out of him. Secondly, the late votes on Prom: Ruuch's is the worst. Xatalos's is also pretty bad, considering that I never actually felt that he cared about the lynch. His argument was that he preferred Prom over Lazer. Whatever. Zentor and Grush are basically either trolls or scum, and grush's contributions this game err on the side of scum for me. In addition to all of these players we have Hopeless, who seems to be feigning reasonability to live. He doesn't seem to be very interested in finding scum, either. So, we have at least 4-5 players who I would confidently label "antitown" and not all of them can be scum. Wonderful. Seems like preferential treatment of hopeless. Why does he get a bye when everyone else doesn't? What the crap does the first post mean? "I want this guy to do something, or I'll push him. Tomorrow. After I might die". Do you think WBG is a guy who tolerates crappy play? Then why let hopeless get away with it? WBG is incredibly on the fence with so many people without actually seeming to be wishy washy. He could call anyone a town read and find reason to reverse it, me being a great example. Tricky right? He is misinterpreting the situation. | ||
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slOosh
3291 Posts
On January 16 2013 11:46 iamperfection wrote: what did you expect his reactions to be with each alignment? If he was town he would express agreement / disagreement, particularly to Hapa's case as well. If not he would figure out a way to divert the lynch, because it would be stupid to let one of his buddies get the noose without a fight. | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
Lynch scum first, make associations later. @ SloOsh Where were you during the night cycle? You didn't post at all, despite having relatively little suspicion on you and being a vet. @ iamp Heya! Are you all caught up yet? Thoughts on Hopeless and/or other scumreads would be sweet. | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
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slOosh
3291 Posts
On January 16 2013 09:53 wherebugsgo wrote: auto townread = I almost didn't bother carefully reading their posts. One thing I kept in my head about slOosh was that he had two pushes, Prom and Xatalos. He dropped Xatalos rather quickly and outside of those two players he has had no comments on anything. His push on Prom was also pretty bad. There has to be a reason super died. Super was the only person who had a public scumread on slOosh. Outside of that he called Lazer scum and he called Zentor scum. I think slOosh needs to do something though, because if you haven't noticed, he's been laying a bit lower than what I'd feel if he were town. This is scummy too and you have to read carefully so he doesn't pull a fast one on you. The first sentence says my push on Prom was pretty bad. Well if it was really clear that Prom was town, why didn't he care that he was being lynched? Why did he put no effort in taking people off the mislynch? In fact, MrZentor accused him from defending Prom, and WBG retorted with confidence he had never called Prom town. On January 15 2013 07:26 wherebugsgo wrote: given that you haven't read the thread, this is a pretty empty accusation. Find an instance where I called Prom town. I can guarantee you that you will not find it even without going back into my filter. The only two players that I have really defended this game (if you can even call it that) are jay and super. On January 15 2013 08:38 wherebugsgo wrote: Why does prom not care about getting lynched? This whole thing bothers me No where does he ever explain his town read on Prom, nor did he indicate that he had one. But he wants to pin this mislynch on me, even though he did nothing at the time when it was happening. The second sentence is total WIFOM. Only scum know why they shot super, and an equally plausible explanation is that scum shot super in order to push a slOosh mislynch. It is a terrible reason to lynch someone as scum can use it for that exact reason. No actual reasons for lynching me. | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
Why is it taking slOosh almost an hour to come up with these posts, but when he does, there's nothing in them? | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On January 16 2013 12:05 slOosh wrote: This is scummy too and you have to read carefully so he doesn't pull a fast one on you. The first sentence says my push on Prom was pretty bad. Well if it was really clear that Prom was town, why didn't he care that he was being lynched? Why did he put no effort in taking people off the mislynch? In fact, MrZentor accused him from defending Prom, and WBG retorted with confidence he had never called Prom town. No where does he ever explain his town read on Prom, nor did he indicate that he had one. But he wants to pin this mislynch on me, even though he did nothing at the time when it was happening. The second sentence is total WIFOM. Only scum know why they shot super, and an equally plausible explanation is that scum shot super in order to push a slOosh mislynch. It is a terrible reason to lynch someone as scum can use it for that exact reason. No actual reasons for lynching me. your push on Prom WAS bad. I left Prom alone because I wanted him to defend himself. I even said myself that I didn't plan on defending anyone. That's why I said it was bothersome that Prom wasn't defending himself. I found it strange in light of the fact that I had a town read of him-it made my confidence waver. The whole Zentor crap was simply me stopping him from misrepresenting my play. If I wanted to defend Prom I would have, but I wanted to see his response to the case, and I wanted to see what others would do without me stepping in. | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
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slOosh
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slOosh
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On January 16 2013 12:07 wherebugsgo wrote: your push on Prom WAS bad. I left Prom alone because I wanted him to defend himself. I even said myself that I didn't plan on defending anyone. That's why I said it was bothersome that Prom wasn't defending himself. I found it strange in light of the fact that I had a town read of him-it made my confidence waver. The whole Zentor crap was simply me stopping him from misrepresenting my play. If I wanted to defend Prom I would have, but I wanted to see his response to the case, and I wanted to see what others would do without me stepping in. Why was my push on Prom bad, and how is that equivalent to scummy? | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
Look at the timestamps. If he was town and actually putting forth proper effort into this game, he would be able to refute all my points, he would be proactive about creating his reads, and he would definitely have said something pre-deadline in the case that he was going to get shot. Post-deadline, when I accuse him of being scum and vote him, he is clearly around. Look at the timestamps: On January 16 2013 09:06 wherebugsgo wrote: ##vote slOosh This vote is not moving until you give me your scumreads and reasons. If I do not believe you, then you will die today. On January 16 2013 10:11 slOosh wrote: I think he is town. One is his constant needling of me when I stopped paying attention to him. Scum prefer to lay low and this works directly against it, because it draws my attention. Second is his wbg case. Of all the people to build such a case on, I don't think scum Xatalos would try drawing town WBG's attention to himself like that. On January 16 2013 10:21 slOosh wrote: Anyways I think hopeless is scum. Biggest tip off was how he didn't care at all about the lynch, especially given that I called him out for it, and his response: Absolutely nothing showed an effort to defend Prom or push someone else harder. He just didn't care about the lynch. Other stuff in his filter gives off wanting to be seen as useful / doing stuff. Like, was this really necessary? He wasn't in danger of being lynched, and he said in the post before that he might "be talking out of my ass". The meticulous follow up certainly does not match up with his previous uncertainty. Hapa's case covers the rest. On January 16 2013 10:23 slOosh wrote: Huh ... I guess I tipped my hand. I think you are scum. (why does he respond to this but not my votepost? Why does he find it necessary to respond to this post at all?) On January 16 2013 10:58 slOosh wrote: Might as well come out with it all. I planned on testing out my read of WBG by presenting my read on hopeless. I think hopeless is scum, and wanted to push him today and gauge WBG's reactions accordingly, especially since it seemed WBG was showing, what I perceive as, some unwarranted leniency to hopeless. Of course this is something characterized under tone, feel etc. which is why I wanted to see his response to better gauge it. I will now field any and all questions. Note how this doesn't explain anything, and he has had PLENTY of time to respond to my accusation of him. Yet, he's still searching. He still posts, but his posts still have absolutely nothing in them. On January 16 2013 11:50 slOosh wrote: Ok I'll slowly visit WBG's posts to show the subtle moves he makes in each one, starting from the ones he made today. In fact, I think the reality is that WBG saw Hapa's case on hopeless and is using my mislynch as a diversion. He is straight out lying about calling hopeless a scumread. Seems like preferential treatment of hopeless. Why does he get a bye when everyone else doesn't? What the crap does the first post mean? "I want this guy to do something, or I'll push him. Tomorrow. After I might die". Do you think WBG is a guy who tolerates crappy play? Then why let hopeless get away with it? WBG is incredibly on the fence with so many people without actually seeming to be wishy washy. He could call anyone a town read and find reason to reverse it, me being a great example. Tricky right? He is misinterpreting the situation. He takes another whole hour simply to quote mine me 3 times and then make some very half-assed comments about me apparently misrepresenting him. This is incredibly shaky. The best part is that he doesn't accompany his now-apparent scumread of me with a vote. He doesn't have the balls to do it, because he's scum and not town. Again, note the timestamps. A town player would not take this long to respond to a serious accusation, and they would not take that long inbetween posts just to post one or two lines of general commentary about quotes that were cherrypicked from my filter. | ||
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iamperfection
United States9640 Posts
I like your case on hopeless and your right this doesn't look like the town hopeless in mario mini where he for better or worse went right into the fire with his reads. A lot more poking in this game and not that fire we usally see from hopeless. I will wait untill he responds though before i vote want to see what he has to say. ----------------------------------------------------------------- As for other scum reads sloosh hasn't really done anything this game and i dont really buy that he was going to push hopeless just to figure wbg seems like a flawed process to me. Also i dont like how he never mentioned the kid i replaced at all since that was a major event in thread it seems. im gonna sleep on it though see if i can find something more in the morning. | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
On January 16 2013 12:16 slOosh wrote: I was taking time off thread to reread carefully given the flip, and didn't have much confidence in my reads to see them worth dumping. I've had some hesitation in straight up building a case against scum WBG, given his reputation, and wanted to do the hopeless thing beforehand. With how I'm approaching my WBG case, do you disagree with my interpretation of things? Do you agree with his interpretation of things? Your WBG suspicions are predicated on the following: 1) WBG is wishy-washy. I agree with this, but is WBG wishy-washy as scum? I always took him as a very aggressive character in his scum-games. 2) WBG's attitude on Hopeless is scummy. However, making associations is absurd before Hopeless actually flips. What I'm most concerned with though is your sudden burst of "WBG is scum, here are all the reasons why!" You had all night to push him and question him, yet you did not do so. Instead, the second WBG votes you, you start flinging posts left and right about how he's your top scumread and how he's so scummy. The timing of all of this is incredibly convenient. | ||
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slOosh
3291 Posts
On January 16 2013 12:27 iamperfection wrote: As for other scum reads sloosh hasn't really done anything this game and i dont really buy that he was going to push hopeless just to figure wbg seems like a flawed process to me. I was going to push hopeless because he was my scum read, and the push itself was designed to give me a read on WBG. I wasn't pushing hopeless for the sole reason to get a reaction from WBG, it was an additional reason. On January 16 2013 12:30 Hapahauli wrote: Your WBG suspicions are predicated on the following: 1) WBG is wishy-washy. I agree with this, but is WBG wishy-washy as scum? I always took him as a very aggressive character in his scum-games. 2) WBG's attitude on Hopeless is scummy. However, making associations is absurd before Hopeless actually flips. What I'm most concerned with though is your sudden burst of "WBG is scum, here are all the reasons why!" You had all night to push him and question him, yet you did not do so. Instead, the second WBG votes you, you start flinging posts left and right about how he's your top scumread and how he's so scummy. The timing of all of this is incredibly convenient. Because my suspicions were on supersoft but his flip changed my reads around. 1) If being wishy washy let's him play to push scum agenda, why not? Just because you perceive that he may have a "preferred playstyle" doesn't mean he is limited to playing to it, would it? 2) His attitude on Hopeless is scummy regardless of Hopeless' alignment because as town you don't give certain players preferential treatment just for kicks, and for someone who doesn't tolerate bad play as much as WBG it is especially out of character. There is more scum motivation for treating someone special than there is town. | ||
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slOosh
3291 Posts
On January 16 2013 12:18 slOosh wrote: Why was my push on Prom bad, and how is that equivalent to scummy? | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
Between Hopeless and WBG, who do you think is more likely to flip scum? | ||
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