Question: Where does Flash rank in SC2? - Page 4
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TAMinator
Australia2706 Posts
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MateShade
Australia736 Posts
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Just_a_Moth
Canada1939 Posts
On January 07 2013 09:27 insanet wrote: Now that Bisu sucks, Flash fans have taken the lead as the most annoying fans of all. Well, it's SC2 so Stephano fans are still more annoying. | ||
NoGasfOu
United States1117 Posts
I collected Stephano's stats from Liquipedia a few months ago when he was at the top of the hypes and made a thread that showed his wins/losses vs Koreans in Premier tournies. | ||
trGKakarot
United States129 Posts
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legaton
France1763 Posts
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rysecake
United States2632 Posts
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nooboon
2602 Posts
Flash is Code S material (or high Code A). It's just that his results are not indicative of his ability. edit: also his past doesn't help him. In a way, SC2 Flash and BW Flash are two different people. Comparing SC2 Flash with BW Flash would make SC2 Flash's results underwhelming. | ||
StarStruck
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Destro
Netherlands1206 Posts
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LostDevil
Fiji282 Posts
I think most people that showed up to TL for SC2 don't really understand just how insanely dominant he can be and how great of an RTS mind he has. You gon' learn. | ||
revel8
United Kingdom3022 Posts
On January 07 2013 10:09 NoGasfOu wrote: I collected Stephano's stats from Liquipedia a few months ago when he was at the top of the hypes and made a thread that showed his wins/losses vs Koreans in Premier tournies. OK. They look inaccurate to me. I looked at his stats myself over the summer/autumn and IIRC he had ~66% win rate vs Code S Level Korean Terrans in tournaments. I might compile some sound data for his complete record for 2012 against Koreans and post it here at TL. | ||
WikidSik
Canada382 Posts
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Brian333
657 Posts
In regards to Flash, I think the U&D's from group A do a good job of summarizing his current rank. + Show Spoiler + His macro is excellent fundamentally but part of the reason for why it's so dominant at times is because he's literally over-cutting corners and gambling hard to try get a leg up on his opponent. I've yet to see a more greedy macro player in SC2. For someone coming from the culture of meticulous preparation, how could you internally justify not building a bunker after an early CC against MC? If it was a conscious decisions that just shows his decision making is no there yet in SC2. If it was just a mistake then that just goes to show his attention to detail is not there yet. Against Jaedong, he dies to a mid-game mid-econ baneling bust because he's just caught with his pants down. Triple expand (as opposed to keeping the third OC in your base a little longer), siege mode not done. Loses like 30 SCVs and essentially the game. You just can't play that greedy in SC2 and expect to have Bonjwa level win-rates. All-ins are just too effective. It's like when MC first rose to dominance and was playing greedy as hell. Sure, when opponents didn't pressure him (July letting him go Nexus first with no forge, no cannons, and he hits him the fastest PvZ 6-gate all-in we'd ever seen), he looks dominant but then everyone started all-inning him and he'd just BO lose a lot of games. Flash is going to be forced to play safer, and once he does, the macro that people keep pointing to won't look as dominant. | ||
j4vz
Canada976 Posts
a lot of unlucky circumstance put him into code A, not to mention yoda, mc, younghwa praticed at the same house so im not saying younghwa dropped the last game on purpose but... it would make sense when your 0-4 to let win your friend... | ||
decado90
United States480 Posts
On January 07 2013 10:18 revel8 wrote: OK. They look inaccurate to me. I looked at his stats myself over the summer/autumn and IIRC he had ~66% win rate vs Code S Level Korean Terrans in tournaments. I might compile some sound data for his complete record for 2012 against Koreans and post it here at TL. Nope, MLG posted their stats of players vs Koreans as well. Stephano was sub 50%. He is by far the most overrated player in SC2. By how much praise he gets, you'd think he'd win every foreign gutter tourney he attends. Yet he struggles against foreign zergs and GSL dropouts. | ||
GolemMadness
Canada11044 Posts
On January 07 2013 10:15 StarStruck wrote: He definitely has the potential to be in Code S. He was pretty darn close to making it this time around. Lots of people would consider Stats as KT's ace atm when you could make a case for a lot of them. KT's roster has been pretty monstrous of late. Stats has definitely been extremely good, but I don't think that many people would call him KT's ace. There's one major thing you have to keep in mind from his games this season: every single one has been on Ohana. Particularly in winner's league when you have to play on multiple maps, I think we have to wait to see how he does before saying if he can rival Flash's position as ace. | ||
whatthefat
United States918 Posts
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revy
United States1524 Posts
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Sub40APM
6336 Posts
On January 07 2013 09:19 BeyondCtrL wrote: I think he is Code S level, his performance in the SPL yesterday just cemented his position as a Code S level player, in my mind at least. Why? Half the people he beat arent in Code A even. And when he did play fellow Code A players he was at the very least relegated to the wildcard round. | ||
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