The Case of the Ages: A Statement Against the Dark Lord Tunkeg
The Brown Brotherhood
Cosigned: Chezinu the Brown and Debears of the Brown
Alright guys, based on the quality of the thread day one: I have come to two conclusions
The majority of the troll players are more likely town. The serious players who are disruptive are most likely scum.
Also, note that I don't care if the troll players are scum right now. That means they have no say in our town discussions, which is a good thing. If they are town, they have a chance to come back and contribute.
There is one person who is most definitely taking this game seriously, yet is probably the most disruptive person in the thread.
That person is Tunkeg.
There are a few things I want to point out about him:
1) His lack of actual reads
2) Bad reasoning on his posts with actual reads
3) His insulting attitude and shitfests with people who he thinks are town (and pretty much everyone in the game)
4) His difference in these from previous games
Together, these add up to one simple thing: he doesn't actually care to figure out others in this game and promote a good town atmosphere
1) His lack of actual reads
Here are some sample posts of his roundabout reads in game
+ Show Spoiler +On January 03 2013 09:29 Tunkeg wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2013 09:19 Lazermonkey wrote:Tunekeg: You keep complaining about bad town play, however you haven't given ONE SINGLE read yet. You have one post were you give some null reads or w/e On January 03 2013 08:33 Tunkeg wrote:
You can lean whatever the fuck you want iam...
Also Palmar is either being stupid or fishing for reactions. Stupid Palmar=scum Palmar, that one is easy. Even though Palmar experienced the catastrophy that was WBG's last game, he won't lynch WBG for policy as town. Why even bother to say all this when it's clearly not adding anything. Most of your other posts are basically you shouting at several players calling them bad. Calling out players for bad logic is good. But only as a complement to scum hunting. Right now you are demoralizing the thread by calling everyone bad. This is bad. Leaning scum on you bro. Again lean whereever you want. Alot of easily insulted townies tend to call me scum, because it is easier then actually dealing with me. There isn't much to read in to just yet. Except the fact that what Palmar is doing isn't what he is doing when he puts his serious town game face on. Also my posts are far more usefull than your own. You leaning town on yamato at this point is so very care. And besides that you have just tried to justify a policy lynch on grush and posting a stupid gif. Leaning NOTHING on you BRO! Obviously, he wants to stress how he isn't making a read to piss people off. Still no read. On January 03 2013 09:22 Tunkeg wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2013 09:17 yamato77 wrote:On January 03 2013 09:12 Tunkeg wrote:On January 03 2013 09:08 yamato77 wrote:
Marv I understand now.
As for actual scum, I think hopeless looks pretty bad right now. Toad pointed the post out earlier and I think he's been pretty useless despite not wanting us all to waste time.
I have to go so that's my thought on the game for now. Be back later with some updated ideas. You think hopeless looks pretty bad now? For not wanting the thread to waste time on a silly policy lynch? Line up the reasons. Don't just spit this out, without any reasons behind it. What ewxactly is scummy about it. Please explain... It was a pointless post. All he says is "guys stop wasting time." And now he's gone, being useless. He hasn't said anything meaningful himself. Cognitive dissonance, if you will. Like pretty much all the posts in this game thus far. He then stated pretty clearly that he is not interested in any policy lynches besides a lynch lurker policy. If his posting thus far make him look pretty bad, I wonder how you scale things, because really, this little information on him is in my book not even enough to be leaning one way or the other.I don't like these types of FOS'es at all. A more serious tone. No actual read.
But hey, he loves talking of previous games
+ Show Spoiler +On January 03 2013 22:31 Tunkeg wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2013 19:08 VisceraEyes wrote:On January 03 2013 18:35 Palmar wrote:
The Tunkeg wagon is awful. My thoughts. It takes damned skilled scum to face off the entire thread and Tunkeg not that crafty (no offense intended) Its a bad lynch. Not sure who I'd lynch at the moment. I've a handful of townreads and intend to narrow as the day wears on. I'll tell you one thing, I for damn sure wouldn't change my meta when rolling scum. I would do the exact same thing I allways do. So if this an arguement for me being town you will be surprised when I finally role scum. Show nested quote +On January 03 2013 19:19 VisceraEyes wrote:
Maybe its because I'm just keenly aware how easy it is to mislynck a townTunkeg... It is not, it is hard as fuck. It took half the scumteam tunneling me, spearheaded by probably the one player who got the most leverage on TL Mafia atm. And I didn't even bother defending. I have been mislynched twice. Once on day 2, which shouldn't have happend if I had bothered arguing. Once endgame, where I wouldn't have been mislynched had the player with the final vote cared to apply more logic than emotion to his vote. I am however allways under heavy fire day one. But in the end I never get lynched. The reason for this is that the reasons for wanting to lynch me is allways thin at best and based on poor logic. On January 03 2013 22:36 Tunkeg wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2013 11:34 marvellosity wrote:On January 03 2013 11:32 Clarity_nl wrote:
You're saying it's just as likely he reverse-reverse-reverse-psychologied as it is that he reverse-reverse-psychologied?
What do you think of Tunkeg? I'm saying there's no point talking about ti because he could easily say such a thing as either alignment i don't think much of tunkeg, maybe lean slightly town because he had another go at me when probably by now he would know that he'd always lose if he took me on. but it isn't much. Hah, the only time I have lost against you is when I didn't bother taking you on. If anyone had bothered taking you on in that last game you'd been exposed. In fact I think I will just point out every time you say something illogical this game, just to keep you honest. And then maybe, just maybe if you happend to have rolled scum this game as well there will be someone daring enough to make a case on you. On January 04 2013 07:58 Tunkeg wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2013 07:51 VisceraEyes wrote:
@Tunkeg
I used to think like you're thinking right now. And I SHOT BC IN THE FACE for it. He was town. I was an idiot.
I can assure you none of the vets are "being lazy" unless they're scum. They're reading the thread and coming to conclusions, rather than spouting off at the mouth at every fucking post. There's a reason you get lynched every game Tunkeg, and it has nothing to do with "idiot towns sheeping idiot vets". It has everything to do with your moronic idea that being a douchebag to everyone is the way to get them to listen to you. I got news for you friend, that's not how it works around here.
People listen to the vets because they have, at some point, proven that they know what they're talking about. Have you? Then how about you worry about how YOU play rather than calling vets "lazy" and "bad for town" just because they're not calling people idiots three times on every fucking page? LOL, I don't get lynched every game, get your facts straight, I have gotten lycnhed twice in mafia, thats it. Also are you implying that the rest of us isn't reading the thread, which is wrong. The difference is that we are required to post reasons behind our votes, why the fuck should not the "good" players be required to do so? Yes, I think Foolishness is being incredible lazy for just posting two posts thus far, and only throws down a vote on Toad without any reasons. Yes, I think Palmar plays incredible wierd and stupid this game, if he is town it is just unnecessary. If you want to worship them, then be my guest, I won't, I want them to earn it every fucking game they play, just like Palmar did in our last game.
There's no reason to keep bringing up your past games multiple times for shits and giggles if you are actually trying to figure this game out
2) Bad reasoning with actual reads
He has 2 notable posts with reads in his whole 3 page filter.
+ Show Spoiler +On January 04 2013 00:17 Tunkeg wrote:So I am up to date on the thread. I think there are some obvious townies in the mix, and some players who I am more concerned about. I am still concerned about Palmar. His policy-tunneling of WBG is getting old. He look abit to careless for being town-Palmar. He have also seemed to be avoiding confrontation with marv (at least until Palmar now called marv a bitch, which is what I would expect from a town Palmar), when marv basicly is soft pushing Palmar for scum. Lately he is starting to push people around abit, and smacking them about, this I like. I would still say I get more scumvibes from Palmar than townvibes. Enough to want to lynch him day 1? HEEELLLZ NO! If Palmar is town, him being somewhat suspicious might save him night one. He will also then start racking up scumreads and push scummies, if this doesn't happend he is scum. debears I am more concerned about. Even though this is meta, and meta basicly from one game, the change of style is very apparent. In Hero Mini Mafia he was active and pushing town objectives from the get go. He, together with Palmar, got Adam lynched. This resulted in him getting NK night 1. This game all he have done is talk about random lynching and discussing set-up. Besides that he have lurked. I don't get this sudden change in play, from something that obviously worked great and was very pro-town in Hero, to something that is completely useless now. I am leaning scum on him for this. Clarity_nl is someone I am also concerned about. This is also meta, and a one game meta. In Hero it was clear as day he was town, he played very pro-town (Even though not allways being right). This game he isn't putting in the same effort. He want to lynch me, then no, then he puts out a read on Palmar, that gets corrected, and he admits it was wrong. Then he goes for a policy lynch on Jackal. It is not the pro-town play he did in Hero. He is suspicious. tube gives me the heebie-jeebies with his: Show nested quote +On January 03 2013 09:09 tube wrote:
hi guys gl
im posting like this again this game fuck you all I don't see any town motivation for doing it. He needs to get on and start playing so that we can read him. Foolishness is MIA, and should get in to thread ASAP. 1) I actually liked his reasoning on Palmar in this post. However, he soon after completely goes back on that On January 04 2013 00:45 Tunkeg wrote:
You know what. Fuck it. Stupid Palmar=scum Palmar.And now Palmar is being so careless and stupid that I want him gone as well.
##Vote: Palmar Mind you that that is only 30 minutes after the first post if I read correctly. 2) Look at what he says on me and clarity 1. His suspicions are based on meta 2. His suspicions are based on a half day of comparison to meta 3. He only takes meta from one game 3) Here, let me throw in the obvious easy lynch candidate who will create no controversy in lynch when we can vig shot him This is not townie analysis at all. So half hearted and faked it makes my scum-dar ring loud
+ Show Spoiler +On January 04 2013 00:19 Tunkeg wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2013 23:54 Adam4167 wrote:Ill answer both of you at once. I am suspicious of dabears. Dabears felt the need to highlight that Hopeless was not interested in a random lynch, then quoted the statistics from the TL mafia database. Dragging out that statistic accomplished exactly nothing. Was he trying to insinuate that Hopeless was mafia for choosing what would appear to be a sub-optimal tactic? Was he implying that Hopeless has faulty logic that needs to be corrected? Who knows, he wrote nothing along with it. It was just posting for the sake of filling up space. After I questioned him on it, he replied with: On January 03 2013 14:13 debears wrote:
Should be pretty clear. Random lynching is more successful than actual trying to lynch a scum by scumreads d1. You can't diss random lynching Firstly, its not clear, as I pointed out above, I can think of at least two reasonable explanations for putting those quotes together. Secondly, if this is what he believes (and what is apparently true according to statistics), why is he not advocating a random lynch? as by his own postulation, this is the more successful route for town to take. He has since ignored my queries on whether he finds this to be alignment indicative. I am also suspicious of Clarity. I cant put my finger on what it is exactly, but I just don't get the same feeling from his posts that I did in Chrono or Hero when he was just blindingly town. Ill see where he goes over the course of today. This is a great post from you. I was about to write you up as suspicious for not really contributing, when going through your filter. This is the kind of thining I expect from town-Adam. What is the reasoning for making this post as town? This makes no sense. 1) It's a town read 2) It's a town read based on one post 3) It comes halfway into day 1 There is no reasoning for a townie to do this at all.
3) His insulting attitude and shitfests with people who he thinks are town (and pretty much everyone in the game)
Look in his filter for most of these. Here are a couple
On January 03 2013 22:45 Tunkeg wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2013 22:43 Clarity_nl wrote:On January 03 2013 22:38 Adam4167 wrote:On January 03 2013 22:05 Clarity_nl wrote:
Nah let's lynch Jackal instead Interesting choice for someone who didn't want to lynch a vet. Why did you pick him specifically? If he's a vet I am not aware of it. I basically picked a random lurker whose name I did not know. Tunkeg, do you ever get bored of your own whiny voice, explaining how you're so amazing and the only mistakes you've ever had were because you weren't trying. Hero wasn't "half the scumteam tunneling you for the entire game" it was simply "the scumteam going for the easy target", because that's what you are. You never pinned marv as scum, even as you were getting lynched by him you were just calling him arrogant and smug and all this other shit. Stop bitching, fuck. Will you ever stop sucking up to the vets of this game? Fuck
On January 03 2013 10:10 Tunkeg wrote:
VE why are you humping marvs leg this hard? Is your strat this game to copy everything marv does?
Playing thread cop is fucking stupid for a townie. Especially when you get in 1 on 1 fights with people and you aren't actually refining reads out of them. Scummy as shit.
I want to add in that the above three main points are the only thing in Tunkeg's filter. He has no content.
4) His difference in these from previous games
Let me show you a couple of his posts in Hero Mini. What do they show? Him trying to figure shit out and give reads
+ Show Spoiler +On December 11 2012 04:23 Tunkeg wrote:
So I have skimmed through the thread. And these are my thoughts:
Thrawn's "claim" is a joke claim. He did it in the very beginning, and quickly and without concern went back on it. I didn't like his response when called out on it. But when he in the end explained why he did as he did, it was an ok (no more, no less) explanation. I truly think people read to much into stuff like this, and overfocuses on it. I have many times made posts early that people have labeled stupid, with them voting for me and almost misslynching me (mainly because they didn't get my logic behind doing them, even after I explained it). I don't think the millar "claim" is anything worth spending much time analysing, but I would say that I find it more likely that a townie would do this.
I like Clarity's post on jaybrundage. I think jaybrundage's posts are very non-commiting, and very fluffy. I have played games with jaybrundage before, and I may be wrong, but I think his style resembles what he did in Student, where he was scum. A very wishy-washy style, where he eventually did some major slips.
I am also abit concerned about Djodref, I think he is posting alot, but his posts are very fluffy. I haven't played with him before, is this his style or?
On December 12 2012 02:17 Tunkeg wrote:So I will probably lynched tonight and really I am not that bothered by it, because it will give you some good pointers on who you can trust this game, and who should be scrutinized. Palmar is basicly confirmed town for me at this point. If he was scum he could have easily pushed me with the rest of you. As he stopped reading before he got to me in his video. If he did in fact read his PM after that video, and had flipped scum I think he would be going with the flow, and going for me. If there is a JK in this game he should definately jail Palmar to protect him from harm. He is the town that scum will be gunning for, 100%. Adam is very likely scum at this point. I think he plays exellent as town, at least he have the games I have played with him, but is easily figured out when scum. This game he have been very vague, and unconfrontational and filled up his post with mostly nonsense. He have put out his feelers on multiple players to see if he can get something started. The kicker though is his less than convincing last post where he says I have a high chance of flipping scum. When adam says stuff like this I know he is either scum, or fed up with the game, he is to good to just put an unreasoned vote on me like that. I believe he is scum. Clarity_nl have to be town. His play so far have been very pro-town in my eyes. All that he have done so far are screaming town to me. He asks the right kind of questions, he calls people out when he thinks they are scummy, and he have even made a little case. If he isn't town I will muchachoes surprised. thrawn212 I have a townread on. Yes, he made a stupid joke play in the beginning. Yes he is totally missreading me, to such a degree that I find it laughable. But I think he is a stupid (in lack of a better word) townie, and not a scum player. I feel his intentions are good, but that he isn't really thinking things through. A tip for you thrawn, find some townplayer to sheep, that is pretty much the best you can do for town. wherebugsgo is probably scum this game. You should look into him after killing adam on day 2. A part from his 80%preliminary scumread on Palmar, which is so very useless, he have basicly done nothing but trying to get me lynched while leaving numerous backdoors open which he can slide away into if his push on me fails, Adam, Munk-E. Adam being a choice he is pretty much forced to have on his list, as he is very obviously scummy. And even though wherebugsgo does anything to win an arguement, he is missrepresenting facts and twisting words to such a degree that it is ridculous. My favorite thus far is: + Show Spoiler +On December 11 2012 23:56 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2012 23:42 marvellosity wrote:On December 11 2012 23:34 wherebugsgo wrote:
alright, I'm going to ignore Palmar since he somehow finds both myself and Jay scummier than Tunkeg. The fact that he thinks that makes his opinions irrelevant.
Marv-are you still willing to kill Tunkeg? Convince me why I should kill Adam over Tunkeg, and I'll consider switching my vote. Given that they're both even right now I see no reason to switch. Aye. Question for you - how do you generally evaluate the play of Adam/Tunkeg? (not in this game) generally with Adam and Tunkeg if they shy away from discussion they're probably scum. A lot of the time I find that when they are town I notice when they're present and know their opinions, and when they are scum they don't say anything useful. Take Adam and LI for example. Adam was incredibly passive and I put him on my scumlist at some point because I kept thinking, damn, Adam isn't doing anything, but no one noticed him. (I also didn't bring attention to him because I was more concerned with VE and that stupid Toad + VE shit but this is irrelevant to my point) Adam I know for a fact is complacent and passive as scum, and that's how his play here is. I don't feel like he has made any strong posts and he doesn't seem to have anything to contribute either. Tunkeg tends to draw attention to himself as town (usually unintentionally) by putting forth his opinions or reads or doing things that people don't like for whatever reason. I know I myself have chewed him out for doing things like that. I don't recall ever playing with him when he was scum, but I imagine that his scum play is similar to most other players lately; just really complacent and passive. Where he actually knows my scummeta without me ever having played scum on here. That is pretty impressive, and twisty, and made up, and bs... When someone goes after me like WBG have done in this game I usually ask myself: scummy or stupid? I think WBG's townplay is above avarage for sure, and I don't think he is as stupid as his posts in this game makes him out to be. So the conclusion is that he is scum. jaybrundage is scummy to me as I previously stated. He haven't posted much since, but I still find his posts very very fluffy and without content. He is unwilling to commit to any of his "reads" and he contradicts himself within the same posts, like: + Show Spoiler +On December 10 2012 12:27 jaybrundage wrote:
I swear to god if thrawn doesnt explain him self. Hes the most anti town player i have seen in a while. Frustrating really. I am only hesitant to vote him because i dont like early bandwagons in general.
It hurts the conversation and shit to read if we all are voting the same person. Regardless of how unlogical his claims maybe (for town). Thrawn can you please drop your sharade and just attempt to explain your reasoning. Or as i said before your gonna get lynched I am leaning scum on, for all the same reasons as before. He have made his fair share of posts, but all I see in them is .................. ....................... ........................... (nothingness). He also made a case on me that is less than weak. Vivax I am back to a neutral stance on. I am not sure wheather his questions have been made to look active, or if he is just lazy, stupid and reads bad enough to not see that his questions have allready been answered previously. Also a player that if town, should find a good townie to just sheep. The rest is pretty much under the radar for me. But I would be watching VE when he pops up again, he is quite easy to read when he starts posting. ##Vote AdamPS: I'll stick around for awhile, playing some Dota, and I might pop in and answer you if I feel the need to do so. If I don't it is either because your question is stupid, I find you stupid/annoying and are ignoring you or that I simply missed it. Anyways, feel free to lynch me, at least then you know Palmar is pretty much confirmed town. This is probably of more value to the town than me sticking around. Remember to protect him from nighthits if you do this, and you will win this easypeasy.
Granted, the second was a martyr post. It still shows how he is capable of making reads.
Another point, when he was attacking someone in Hero for bullshit, he thought they were scum, as shown by his chats with Vivax
+ Show Spoiler +On December 11 2012 06:29 Tunkeg wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2012 06:07 Vivax wrote:He's trying to justify every move he makes and being pretty careful in general. Holy shit, he even digs through his own meta to justify his "Ohmahgawdidontwannabandwagon". Meanwhile, he does exactly that, he catches up some sentiment in town and rides it when he feels it's strong enough. Check the filter. Until his "hit the bed" post, upon which he voted for me, he never updated his stance on thrawn, he never got the response he's been expecting from him. In theory, jay should have commented on my posts about thrawn, if not even supported them. But when he has to defend himself, he posts all sorts of shit. When he has to vote for someone, he never does it on his own initiative. Additionally, he tries to moderate other people. Another thing by jay in his last post: Even when thrawn said his self it was just a joke Same shit as with Tunkeg. He says that thrawn himself said it was a joke. Bullshit. Find the line where he says that. They both didn't even read. But unlike Tunkeg, Jay felt that thrawn was a liar and scum, and voted for him when others did. I never said that Thrawn himself said it was a joke. I said it was a joke, meaning I think it was a joke. So try finding the lines yourself before you ask others to do the same... On December 11 2012 08:04 Tunkeg wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2012 08:00 Vivax wrote:
Z-Boson, it's not fair. You stalked me with your questions about Tunkeg, but both of us still don't know anything about what Tunkeg finds scummy about these two. He apparently even didn't read your case.
Be nice and question him thoroughly, too, I'll go make a sammich. Are you not reading my posts at all? Just throwing out some random questions, I wrote in my first post what I found scummy about them, and I elaborated in my reply to you. I made my suspicioun on Djordref before Z-Boson's post, why would I need to lend any arguements from Z-Boson? On December 11 2012 08:13 Tunkeg wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2012 08:09 Vivax wrote:
Tunkeg, for whom of them would you vote right now if you had to? I'd vote you over both of them, and jay over Djor if I had to vote now. But in general I think there is to little information thus far to put down any votes.
and his arguments with WBG
+ Show Spoiler +On December 11 2012 17:18 Tunkeg wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2012 16:59 wherebugsgo wrote:On December 11 2012 16:06 Tunkeg wrote:
Lol WBG. In these games you are linking to, and others games like it, haven't you been the one complaining about me posting readposts like that? And also me posting "useless" questions?
And now you say the same play you labeled as bad and useless actually was scumhunting?
If you want me lynched for meta fine. But don't try to convince the thread you were a fan of my previos play. just because I think something is dumb doesn't mean I think it's scummy. I don't recall ever seriously calling you scum in those games. Not to mention, in AC I was scum. Nice fail response, scum. On December 11 2012 16:00 VisceraEyes wrote:I changed my mind. I think jaybrundage is scum. On December 10 2012 10:29 jaybrundage wrote:On December 10 2012 09:58 VisceraEyes wrote:
Whatever happened to people going "LOL" after a video like in the olden days? VE gimme your thoughts on thrash After his first post on thrawn in which he says he’s suspicious, he asks my opinion of the matter. I gave it, and that’s the last that was heard about it. Why did he want my input? He never referenced anything I said, or even acknowledged that I said it. I believe that he was just trying to get someone to agree with him regarding thrawn. On December 10 2012 10:37 jaybrundage wrote:On December 10 2012 10:33 thrawn2112 wrote:On December 10 2012 10:28 Adam4167 wrote:On December 10 2012 10:24 thrawn2112 wrote:On December 10 2012 10:19 Adam4167 wrote:On December 10 2012 09:57 thrawn2112 wrote:
any answer I could possibly give would just betray the actual purpose behind that post, making whatever I hoped to accomplish with that post no longer possible I think you better try to explain what you were hoping to accomplish here. On November 01 2012 08:25 thrawn2112 wrote:
If a miller claims D1 I don't even know what my thought process would be for deciding if I believe them or not, so I'm hesitatingly saying that I disagree with the idea I find this post sits in a stark contrast to your current play, and this is from one of your recent town games (ACME). What's the stark contrast? I don't see how these things are even related. Are you trying to suggest I'm scum? because you went about it pretty subtly. Town you from ACME says that you disagree with the idea of millers claiming, and that you don't even know what your thought process would be for deciding if its real or not. Why are you trying to put everyone else in a similar position of confusion? If I wanted to call you scum, I would have. What I want to know is why you are doing what you are doing. That's not even the issue. How am I putting anyone in a compromising decision about whether or not to believe the claim when millers aren't even self aware? I don't understand what accusation you're trying to make, it makes no sense in the context of what the OP has to say about millers. Dude... Its not whether we believe you. Your lying simple. Not a single persons believes your claim its about why are you lying. For no damn reason. And what purpose would town have to do that. It only makes sense from a mafia perspective It really makes me uncomfortable when someone else speaks for me, and in this post jaybrundage is telling thrawn that I don’t believe his claim. I didn’t believe his claim, but because I thought his claim was a joke considering that the OP is explicit in the fact that millers are not self-aware. Therefor, I thought his claim was funny. But I certainly didn’t think he was LYING about his claim with any malicious intent. It doesn’t make sense for me to think that he thought that I would believe that claim based on what the OP says. But jaybrundage is telling thrawn in no uncertain terms that I, VisceraEyes, think that he’s lying about his claim for no reason. And that’s not the case. He then goes on to say that “...It only makes sense from a mafia perspective.” But that’s not true either is it? If thrawn is to be believed, he did it as a joke and to “spark discussion” and “ignite conversation” and such. Which, if he’s town, is a reasonable (if misguided) motivation. On December 10 2012 11:03 jaybrundage wrote:On December 10 2012 10:56 Djodref wrote:On December 10 2012 10:44 debears wrote:On December 10 2012 10:07 Djodref wrote:On December 10 2012 10:01 debears wrote:On December 10 2012 09:58 VisceraEyes wrote:
Whatever happened to people going "LOL" after a video like in the olden days? Ikr Anyways Djo the video was a response to the question, but a fun way of doing it Have you not seen the Matrix? Did you not watch the video? Yes, I guess you were saying that your vote was not real with the video. What was your motivation with your first vote on thrawn ? What is your real take on thrawn fakeclaim ? To get the voting rally started of course. Break the ice sonAnd it's strange. It would make no sense from a town perspective. His PM can't tell him he's a miller, because they aren't self aware. So from town - he was joking and he knew millers weren't self aware. Just did it for shits and giggles scum - he claimed miller without checking first. I just don't see a scum being that reckless, but i'm sure if he's town he'll put in a productive day 1. Or, he could've knew someone would interpret him as a joking townie if he's scum. and the wifomwifomwfiom I'm the first to vote in the voting thread  So you see thrawn as a joking town or a reckless scum (less likely) or scum using WIFOM. Okay... I personally can see a motivation for a town player to fakeclaim like this (serious motivation) that would make sense but I'm waiting for him to explain it first so I can check it matches my expectation or not. At the exception of thrawn, do you have any comment to make on other players in this early game ? Hey Djo can you do us all a favor and type in your vote here when you decide to vote for someone one in the voting thread. It would help out alot and i rather not have to check it till the end of the day. The thing that I don’t like about this post isn’t even that it’s self defeating in the fact that Djo had, in fact, voted in the game thread...which shows that he’s not only not reading the thread, but is closely watching the voting thread...the opposite of what he’d have you believe in the post quoted above. It’s not that. Look at what Djo is saying. He’s saying he believes thrawn was joking too, and is asking someone about their thoughts on anyone else. So he’s ignored my response regarding thrawn. Now he’s insidiously trying to discredit Djo (calling out his not-really-ninja vote in the voting thread) rather than respond to his post requesting discussion outside of thrawn. It all starts to stink like scum pushing an agenda to me. Especially considering, in spite of all of this... On December 11 2012 04:43 jaybrundage wrote:On December 11 2012 01:35 Clarity_nl wrote:On December 11 2012 01:32 jaybrundage wrote:On December 10 2012 23:52 Clarity_nl wrote:Hey marv, you've explain why we shouldn't vote a bunch of people (thrawn, jay, palmar) but do you have any reasons we should vote a someone? On December 10 2012 22:04 marvellosity wrote:
On jay, I'm ok on how he explained his 'slips'. My only worry with jay is that he comes across as overly... compliant?:
"Glad someone is reading my posts. I felt like i wasnt get any feedback from them."
"I do appreciate you giving your reasoning behind your claim. It helps me understand you a bit."
I don't particularly think much of it atm, was just weird when I was reading them. I would say it was indicative of the fact he didn't want to ruffle feathers, but he's not been afraid to put himself out there, so it isn't that. His response reminds me of my own scum game. I showed no emotion that game, I just tried to remain logical and not to ruffle anyone's feathers, thinking that if I kept that up eventually people would stay away from me because I answered every question and reasoned away any doubt. @ JayI read some of the stuff in your linked games, and yes you lyched town D1 but I never saw you say anything remotely close to "well I guess I should be more careful of early bandwagons". Not during any of the games and not in the pre-games or post-games either. The thing is, you say you don't want to jump on an "easy bandwagon" this game, but you do. All you don't do is you haven't voted for thrawn, but he's the only person you've put pressure on. So why mention it? It's an easy way out. It seems like common sense. If I get on easy bandwagons as town. Shouldn't i avoid em? Im not you I don't find it necessary or needed to call people dumb or idiots like some players here do. It is it that unexpected to show some respect to people : / I call people dumb or idiots? So other than Thrawn, who is an easy bandwagon to you so should be avoided, who stands out as scummy? I didnt mean you specifically but some people in TL mafia do. I actually am starting to lean more neutral on Thrawn. In my early mind set I just couldnt see someone misclaiming as a joke, or risk getting them selves lynched. Im a little worried about our lurkers. And i would prefer to see more posts out of ZBoston. Specifically ZBoston what do you think about Claritys case on me and some people soft defending me. Also MunkE has had like 3 posts since his /in and every single one of them is mostly about WBG statistic. Do we really have to nitpick over something like that. WBG was mostly trying to bait Palmar out. Lets hear your thoughts on some cases On Vivax its odd. He seems really interested in going after Thrawns claim and saying that Ve defended it as a joke. When its not a joke. Even when thrawn said his self it was just a joke. That he stubbornly. Refused to explain to generate discussion. I think he is concentrating on thrawns little joke to much to the exclusion of everything else. I can see him being scum. ##Vote Vivax(Because some people get SOOOOO antsy if you dont follow your argument with your vote.) ....HE TAKES IT ALL BACK ANYWAY! That's right, after the whole song and dance about being SOO FRUSTRATED with how he wasn't being paid attention to, and how his motivations only make sense from scum perspective, and in the face of people he has SPECIFICALLY asked their opinion of disagreeing with him, and EVERYTHING....he takes it all back anyway. Because thrawn said it was a joke and it was to generate discussion. Cool. Die. ##Unvote: Vivax
##Vote: jaybrundageI'm going to go reread Vivax now and see if I still think he's scum. This changes things, because I had intended to spend this time writing a case on Vivax...but after reading the votecount and realizing that this jayb wagon was for real, I thought I'd check into him first. I'm glad I did, but now jaybrundage is voting for Vivax as well. We'll see what a reread brings. This is a huge derail if I've ever seen one... VE you have nothing to comment on Tunkeg or anyone other than jay? On December 11 2012 16:24 jaybrundage wrote:
Hm so the "easy" bandwagon rolls. I finished watching palmars video ( YOU'RE video was educational to say the least) although YOUR in need of a better way to record video it got really pixely when you scrolled. ha ha suck my grammar.
In response to my badly thought out posts. I was trying to put pressure on thrawn to explain his reasoning. While my threats may not of been great I did eventually got thrawn to explain himself. Its odd people say that I was going back and forth with my view of thrawn. And honestly i didnt know what the hell he was. However i did think it was anti town. But enough of that. Tmw i will reread some of the cases and give my thoughts on which one i will support.
However if i do get lynched which seems likely i would ask people whats the next step when i flip town. But ill do my best to prevent that from happening. I'm curious, did you capitalize "you're" and "your" to demonstrate how much you don't understand how to use the two? :p + Show Spoiler +haha I just found that really funny for some reason So you want me to do dumb things is that what you are saying. I know you treat this game like a schooldebate, where winning the arguement is more important than actually being right. And I know you like to twist and turn stuff to make your arguements look good. But that don't fly with me, stick to facts (like: Tunkeg is not playing exactly like he did in this and this game), don't try to strengthen your arguements with lies (Like you now saying you think I was scumhunting in those games, when you clearly stated how useless it was back then). If you stick with what is true you should be able to lynch me if I were scum. If you start presenting lies and twisting words you might get me lynched even though I am town. On December 11 2012 17:36 Tunkeg wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2012 17:26 wherebugsgo wrote:
also I love how Tunkeg treats me like town when he responds to me, as if he already knows my alignment.
hehehehehehehehe I am not treating you like town. I am saying you are capable of getting me lynched regardless of allignment. And imo it is your "debatish" attitude towards the game that have given you a reputation for being a strong scumplayer. Your way of misrepresenting facts and winning arguements when being wrong helps you as scum, but is not that great when you are town. Either way you are wrong here, I am town, so you are either scum deliberatly trying to misrepresent the facts, or town overeager to win the arguement and not seeing the truth. On December 12 2012 16:02 Tunkeg wrote:
Boom! That was a great lynch! Now WBG is 100% scum. Look how hard he was pushing for me after Adam got in trouble. Look how he kept including Adam as his 2nd read, while not ever pointing out why he thought he was scummy. He did this because Adam was very obv scummy, and wbg not mentioning adam as scummy would look really bad for him. Also look at adams read post how hard he tried to distance himself from wbg, "agreeing" with my read on him. Also look at how wbg have presented his arguements (word twisting and misrepresenting facts) and his silly "80% Palmar is scum".
WBG must be lynched day 2. Palmar got to be protected if we got a jailkeeper. Also if we got a cop look into someone trying to push my case, voting me and/or push/vote some other case after Adam got mentioned in Palmars video.
Notice the difference in how he argues with people he finds scummy and not just randoms or people who he think is town?
In the three people he found suspicious (Palmar, me, Clarity), he hasn't made any kind of argument. He's avoided talking to us.
Also, notice how more outright he is with reads and calling people scum compared to this game?
Also, looking at his other games in his profile, I would say he is definitely more open to giving reads and more compliant with others overall.
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