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supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
January 04 2013 01:38 GMT
#1181
On January 04 2013 10:30 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
hey guys wanna just kill palmar for claiming scum?

I mean I was fine with him up until this page but since he's so adamant that he's scum then let's just help him to exit the game at the earliest opportunity.


This second sentence doesnt say you now think he's scum right?
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
January 04 2013 01:38 GMT
#1182
On January 04 2013 10:31 marvellosity wrote:
I'm still pretty happy with my vote on Palmar, for reasons already given. There's nothing in what Palmar has done so far that suggests in the slightest that he gives a shit for town, and he should be one of the town leaders.

This is further exacerbated by a conversation I had with him on IRC a few days ago. We were just talking about his play a little, and I'd told him that a weakness in his play was that he often got caught up in thinking what a town player "should" do, and being wrong as being a scumtell. Shortly after he wrote this in a QT:

"Palmar
12-31-2012
08:39 PM ET (US)

I have a weakness in my game where I just think everyone that doesn't agree with me when I'm right is scum, and everyone who does is town. There is absolutely no reason for me to think Bugs is scum, only the fact he's been wrong all game long. That doesn't make him scum though."

And twice in this conversation on IRC, related to this, he said that Day 1 was his strongest day, because he's not encumbered with flips and this sense of right and wrong.

So his manner of play today makes this even more galling. This is supposedly his strongest day as town by some margin, and he's decided to use it by claiming scum 3 times, generally trolling, giving no reads, or at least no explanation for his reads. As far as I can see, he's banking on people viewing his retarded play as town somehow, even though there is literally nothing townie about it. Recently in his townplay he has been quite happy to tell people why he finds certain people town, and then when he decides someone is scummy, he gives good reasons why. Just none of it this game.

This guy knows what he's talking about. Town Palmar doesn't act the way the Palmar in this game is acting.
Writer@WriterYamato
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
January 04 2013 01:39 GMT
#1183
I agree with marv. If you look at when Palmar rolls scum, he does this all the time. Towns leave him alone when he trolls so hard because "no scum would draw attention to themselves like that!" they conveniently look past the disruption to try and rationalize Palmar's play. Palmar is really destructive as scum because he can get away with it. This is particularly why he's good at playing third party. No scum will ever shoot a troll, and town won't lynch such a vocal vet.

So, let's kill him.

##vote Palmar
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
January 04 2013 01:42 GMT
#1184
just in case you didn't realise, there's a vote-thread, bugs
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
January 04 2013 01:48 GMT
#1185
blargh. Palmar is always an easy d1 target. I don't remember any game, where Palmar wasn't accused d1..
You know that, wbg.
He may have overdone the trolling in the last 3-5 hours.
+ ppl that accuse him seem to be kind of suspicious to me:
Marv is focusing Palmar since the beginning and randomly agreeing on every other suspect (his list some pages ago)
MZ now doesnt even think that Palmar is scum.
Toad isn't really suspicious, I think it's just his paranoid townplay... i don't remember whether he does that as scum, too.

I got to think about what marv just posted though...
Meapak_Ziphh
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6786 Posts
January 04 2013 01:51 GMT
#1186
On January 04 2013 10:38 supersoft wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 04 2013 10:30 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
hey guys wanna just kill palmar for claiming scum?

I mean I was fine with him up until this page but since he's so adamant that he's scum then let's just help him to exit the game at the earliest opportunity.


This second sentence doesnt say you now think he's scum right?

Yeah. It looks like he's trying a "hide in plain sight" sort of thing. I thought in the beginning he was doing his usual trolling to get discussion started (there's actually a game where he describes exactly what he does as town I just forget which one). Basically it goes something along the lines of propose something so stupid it's just begging for people to jump on it for free town cred and then tear the ones apart who use that as a crutch to look protown. That's what I assumed he was trying here but now I'm thinking he's just acting as scummy as possible on the assumption that everyone will just assume he's trolling and ignore him. There is zero reason for town to do that so occam's razor says if Palmar says he's scum, he's scum.
Forti et Fideli ~ TL Mafia Forum: Come play with us! ~ Go Samsung KHAN, Stork, JangBi , Shine, Grape, and TurN Fighting!~ wat
Meapak_Ziphh
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6786 Posts
January 04 2013 01:52 GMT
#1187
On January 04 2013 10:48 supersoft wrote:
blargh. Palmar is always an easy d1 target. I don't remember any game, where Palmar wasn't accused d1..
You know that, wbg.
He may have overdone the trolling in the last 3-5 hours.
+ ppl that accuse him seem to be kind of suspicious to me:
Marv is focusing Palmar since the beginning and randomly agreeing on every other suspect (his list some pages ago)
MZ now doesnt even think that Palmar is scum.
Toad isn't really suspicious, I think it's just his paranoid townplay... i don't remember whether he does that as scum, too.

I got to think about what marv just posted though...

It's out of order, I started off thinking Palmar was town, now I don't.
Forti et Fideli ~ TL Mafia Forum: Come play with us! ~ Go Samsung KHAN, Stork, JangBi , Shine, Grape, and TurN Fighting!~ wat
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
January 04 2013 01:53 GMT
#1188
On January 04 2013 10:48 supersoft wrote:
blargh. Palmar is always an easy d1 target. I don't remember any game, where Palmar wasn't accused d1..
You know that, wbg.
He may have overdone the trolling in the last 3-5 hours.
+ ppl that accuse him seem to be kind of suspicious to me:
Marv is focusing Palmar since the beginning and randomly agreeing on every other suspect (his list some pages ago)
MZ now doesnt even think that Palmar is scum.
Toad isn't really suspicious, I think it's just his paranoid townplay... i don't remember whether he does that as scum, too.

I got to think about what marv just posted though...


I can point you to several in the last few months where Palmar was clearly town day 1 and wasn't accused. Normal Mini Mafia 3, Hero Mini Mafia, Yet Another Mini Mafia.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Meapak_Ziphh
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6786 Posts
January 04 2013 01:54 GMT
#1189
On January 04 2013 10:48 supersoft wrote:
blargh. Palmar is always an easy d1 target. I don't remember any game, where Palmar wasn't accused d1..
You know that, wbg.
He may have overdone the trolling in the last 3-5 hours.
+ ppl that accuse him seem to be kind of suspicious to me:
Marv is focusing Palmar since the beginning and randomly agreeing on every other suspect (his list some pages ago)
MZ now doesnt even think that Palmar is scum.
Toad isn't really suspicious, I think it's just his paranoid townplay... i don't remember whether he does that as scum, too.

I got to think about what marv just posted though...

It's out of order, I started off thinking Palmar was town, now I don't.
Forti et Fideli ~ TL Mafia Forum: Come play with us! ~ Go Samsung KHAN, Stork, JangBi , Shine, Grape, and TurN Fighting!~ wat
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
January 04 2013 02:02 GMT
#1190
PALMAR HAS IAMP BAMBOOZLED IN PMS!
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
January 04 2013 02:03 GMT
#1191
Er.....yeah, I can vote for Palmar. Are we sure we don't wanna lynch Toad guys?
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
January 04 2013 02:07 GMT
#1192
On January 04 2013 10:48 supersoft wrote:
blargh. Palmar is always an easy d1 target. I don't remember any game, where Palmar wasn't accused d1..
You know that, wbg.
He may have overdone the trolling in the last 3-5 hours.
+ ppl that accuse him seem to be kind of suspicious to me:
Marv is focusing Palmar since the beginning and randomly agreeing on every other suspect (his list some pages ago)
MZ now doesnt even think that Palmar is scum.
Toad isn't really suspicious, I think it's just his paranoid townplay... i don't remember whether he does that as scum, too.

I got to think about what marv just posted though...

Actually I am very well aware of that. The plan is to see what happens within the next, let's say 14 hours with Palmar.
I'd generally agree with Marv's (and WBG's) assessment on Palmar if it was d2. On the first half of d1 it sure is a bad idea to lynch him, not to vote him though.

Yeah I know, we can't lynch him right now, but you get what I'm trying to say, right?
I do feel you about Marv though.

It's actualy pretty funny that VE made a case about me saying I don't comment on anything and just tunnel the shit out of palmar when it's actually Marv who's been after Palmar all day long, whereas I've been putting on a gonzaw-show lately, calling everyone and their dog weird.
Probably should focus a little more

Again, I consider what Marv posted something decent and it is something that's worrying me as well, but I do think it's to early for that right now. He does know that Palmar didn't say shit in YANMM early on as well and joined the party rather late to tell people to lynch Wiggles. Yeah we was less trollish but given what happened that game I really think Palmar thinks the same way as I do about just having fun once in a while instead of having to deal with people like WBG.
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
January 04 2013 02:12 GMT
#1193
On January 04 2013 11:07 Toadesstern wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 04 2013 10:48 supersoft wrote:
blargh. Palmar is always an easy d1 target. I don't remember any game, where Palmar wasn't accused d1..
You know that, wbg.
He may have overdone the trolling in the last 3-5 hours.
+ ppl that accuse him seem to be kind of suspicious to me:
Marv is focusing Palmar since the beginning and randomly agreeing on every other suspect (his list some pages ago)
MZ now doesnt even think that Palmar is scum.
Toad isn't really suspicious, I think it's just his paranoid townplay... i don't remember whether he does that as scum, too.

I got to think about what marv just posted though...

Actually I am very well aware of that. The plan is to see what happens within the next, let's say 14 hours with Palmar.
I'd generally agree with Marv's (and WBG's) assessment on Palmar if it was d2. On the first half of d1 it sure is a bad idea to lynch him, not to vote him though.

Yeah I know, we can't lynch him right now, but you get what I'm trying to say, right?
I do feel you about Marv though.

It's actualy pretty funny that VE made a case about me saying I don't comment on anything and just tunnel the shit out of palmar when it's actually Marv who's been after Palmar all day long, whereas I've been putting on a gonzaw-show lately, calling everyone and their dog weird.
Probably should focus a little more

Again, I consider what Marv posted something decent and it is something that's worrying me as well, but I do think it's to early for that right now. He does know that Palmar didn't say shit in YANMM early on as well and joined the party rather late to tell people to lynch Wiggles. Yeah we was less trollish but given what happened that game I really think Palmar thinks the same way as I do about just having fun once in a while instead of having to deal with people like WBG.


OH MY GOD CAN WE PLEASE KILL IT?!
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
January 04 2013 02:17 GMT
#1194
I don't actually remember the last time Palmar got any sort of pressure on d1.

In fact I don't even remember when the last time he was anywhere close to being lynched as either alignment.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
January 04 2013 02:18 GMT
#1195
On January 04 2013 11:17 wherebugsgo wrote:
I don't actually remember the last time Palmar got any sort of pressure on d1.

In fact I don't even remember when the last time he was anywhere close to being lynched as either alignment.


when i last lynched him, of course.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
January 04 2013 02:23 GMT
#1196
This game too hard

I'm gonna reread the whole fuggin thing. Be back in like...a while.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
January 04 2013 02:24 GMT
#1197
Still waiting on that Tunkeg post, debears.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
January 04 2013 02:25 GMT
#1198
Foolishness do you wanna kill Palmar with us?
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
January 04 2013 02:25 GMT
#1199
PS, I was super interested to see where that little Palmar/Foolish dialogue was going. I was disappointed in both parties.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
January 04 2013 02:27 GMT
#1200
I am guessing that when Palmar gets close to being lynched he'll claim mason with iamp.

too bad masons aren't confirmed town in this game
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