TL Mafia LVIII - Page 60

On January 04 2013 10:30 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
hey guys wanna just kill palmar for claiming scum?

I mean I was fine with him up until this page but since he's so adamant that he's scum then let's just help him to exit the game at the earliest opportunity.

On January 04 2013 10:31 marvellosity wrote:
I'm still pretty happy with my vote on Palmar, for reasons already given. There's nothing in what Palmar has done so far that suggests in the slightest that he gives a shit for town, and he should be one of the town leaders.

This is further exacerbated by a conversation I had with him on IRC a few days ago. We were just talking about his play a little, and I'd told him that a weakness in his play was that he often got caught up in thinking what a town player "should" do, and being wrong as being a scumtell. Shortly after he wrote this in a QT:

"Palmar
12-31-2012
08:39 PM ET (US)

I have a weakness in my game where I just think everyone that doesn't agree with me when I'm right is scum, and everyone who does is town. There is absolutely no reason for me to think Bugs is scum, only the fact he's been wrong all game long. That doesn't make him scum though."

And twice in this conversation on IRC, related to this, he said that Day 1 was his strongest day, because he's not encumbered with flips and this sense of right and wrong.

So his manner of play today makes this even more galling. This is supposedly his strongest day as town by some margin, and he's decided to use it by claiming scum 3 times, generally trolling, giving no reads, or at least no explanation for his reads. As far as I can see, he's banking on people viewing his retarded play as town somehow, even though there is literally nothing townie about it. Recently in his townplay he has been quite happy to tell people why he finds certain people town, and then when he decides someone is scummy, he gives good reasons why. Just none of it this game.

On January 04 2013 10:38 supersoft wrote:


This second sentence doesnt say you now think he's scum right?

On January 04 2013 10:48 supersoft wrote:
blargh. Palmar is always an easy d1 target. I don't remember any game, where Palmar wasn't accused d1..
You know that, wbg.
He may have overdone the trolling in the last 3-5 hours.
+ ppl that accuse him seem to be kind of suspicious to me:
Marv is focusing Palmar since the beginning and randomly agreeing on every other suspect (his list some pages ago)
MZ now doesnt even think that Palmar is scum.
Toad isn't really suspicious, I think it's just his paranoid townplay... i don't remember whether he does that as scum, too.

I got to think about what marv just posted though...

On January 04 2013 10:48 supersoft wrote:
blargh. Palmar is always an easy d1 target. I don't remember any game, where Palmar wasn't accused d1..
You know that, wbg.
He may have overdone the trolling in the last 3-5 hours.
+ ppl that accuse him seem to be kind of suspicious to me:
Marv is focusing Palmar since the beginning and randomly agreeing on every other suspect (his list some pages ago)
MZ now doesnt even think that Palmar is scum.
Toad isn't really suspicious, I think it's just his paranoid townplay... i don't remember whether he does that as scum, too.

I got to think about what marv just posted though...

On January 04 2013 10:48 supersoft wrote:
blargh. Palmar is always an easy d1 target. I don't remember any game, where Palmar wasn't accused d1..
You know that, wbg.
He may have overdone the trolling in the last 3-5 hours.
+ ppl that accuse him seem to be kind of suspicious to me:
Marv is focusing Palmar since the beginning and randomly agreeing on every other suspect (his list some pages ago)
MZ now doesnt even think that Palmar is scum.
Toad isn't really suspicious, I think it's just his paranoid townplay... i don't remember whether he does that as scum, too.

I got to think about what marv just posted though...

On January 04 2013 10:48 supersoft wrote:
blargh. Palmar is always an easy d1 target. I don't remember any game, where Palmar wasn't accused d1..
You know that, wbg.
He may have overdone the trolling in the last 3-5 hours.
+ ppl that accuse him seem to be kind of suspicious to me:
Marv is focusing Palmar since the beginning and randomly agreeing on every other suspect (his list some pages ago)
MZ now doesnt even think that Palmar is scum.
Toad isn't really suspicious, I think it's just his paranoid townplay... i don't remember whether he does that as scum, too.

I got to think about what marv just posted though...

On January 04 2013 11:07 Toadesstern wrote:

Actually I am very well aware of that. The plan is to see what happens within the next, let's say 14 hours with Palmar.
I'd generally agree with Marv's (and WBG's) assessment on Palmar if it was d2. On the first half of d1 it sure is a bad idea to lynch him, not to vote him though.

Yeah I know, we can't lynch him right now, but you get what I'm trying to say, right?
I do feel you about Marv though.

It's actualy pretty funny that VE made a case about me saying I don't comment on anything and just tunnel the shit out of palmar when it's actually Marv who's been after Palmar all day long, whereas I've been putting on a gonzaw-show lately, calling everyone and their dog weird.
Probably should focus a little more

Again, I consider what Marv posted something decent and it is something that's worrying me as well, but I do think it's to early for that right now. He does know that Palmar didn't say shit in YANMM early on as well and joined the party rather late to tell people to lynch Wiggles. Yeah we was less trollish but given what happened that game I really think Palmar thinks the same way as I do about just having fun once in a while instead of having to deal with people like WBG.

On January 04 2013 11:17 wherebugsgo wrote:
I don't actually remember the last time Palmar got any sort of pressure on d1.

In fact I don't even remember when the last time he was anywhere close to being lynched as either alignment.