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debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
January 04 2013 03:30 GMT
#1241
We aren't masons. We aren't talking (besides telepathy)

I'm just roleplayin with Chez cuz I love Chez
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
January 04 2013 03:31 GMT
#1242
The case didn't really demonstrate at all any differences in his town/scum games. Tunkeg earlier in the game gave a list of reads with explanations very much like the one that debears quotes from Hero mini. Apart from that there's nothing.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
January 04 2013 03:32 GMT
#1243
man this is why people hate meta cases.

There might be differences in Tunkeg's play in this game and the past game, but debears you haven't qualified why the differences make him scum. I mean, cool, he's playing differently. Given that last time everyone chewed him out for being a massive dick, I don't find that alignment-indicative.

Last game I played with Tunkeg I (wrongly) thought Tunkeg was being far more disruptive than in his previous games and he wasn't putting forth reads because he was scum. I was just wrong, and to be honest I don't think anyone really knows why Tunkeg decided to play in that manner (perhaps it was because he was tired of dumb people, who knows-it's something he said earlier in this game). If you're going to meta someone you need to show HOW the differences (or similarities) are alignment-indicative.
debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
January 04 2013 03:32 GMT
#1244
.........
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
January 04 2013 03:33 GMT
#1245
oh btw.
##unvote
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
January 04 2013 03:33 GMT
#1246
On January 04 2013 12:31 marvellosity wrote:
The case didn't really demonstrate at all any differences in his town/scum games. Tunkeg earlier in the game gave a list of reads with explanations very much like the one that debears quotes from Hero mini. Apart from that there's nothing.


I disagree with you, see above (but not in conclusion)
debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
January 04 2013 03:33 GMT
#1247
On January 04 2013 12:31 marvellosity wrote:
The case didn't really demonstrate at all any differences in his town/scum games. Tunkeg earlier in the game gave a list of reads with explanations very much like the one that debears quotes from Hero mini. Apart from that there's nothing.


do you deny that he is fucking scummy this game at the very least?
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
January 04 2013 03:34 GMT
#1248
Dearest Debears, Brown Initiate:

There are whispers about campus surrounding your most recent work, "The Case of the Ages". I fear most will not take it seriously considering the fact that most Dark Lords, especially newly ascended Lords, prefer to manipulate others from the background rather than openly do battle with them in full sight of innocents...especially here in one of Liquidia's most prestigious Academies among some of its top students. I write this in haste, as I fear the real Lords of Darkness have already read your essay and are conspiring to bring you into their fold - a place where even the mighty Chezinu can't save you.

Consider also before turning in further works that many a frustrated student have been expelled out of fear due to their attitude regarding their grades in previous classes. This is a challenging Academy to excel at and many students have a hard time adjusting to the rigorous schedule and demands placed upon them by the Administration.

Signed



VisceraEyes the Purple (:OOOOOO NEW HOUSE)
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
January 04 2013 03:35 GMT
#1249
have you read the thread yet bugs?
debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
January 04 2013 03:35 GMT
#1250
On January 04 2013 12:32 wherebugsgo wrote:
man this is why people hate meta cases.

There might be differences in Tunkeg's play in this game and the past game, but debears you haven't qualified why the differences make him scum. I mean, cool, he's playing differently. Given that last time everyone chewed him out for being a massive dick, I don't find that alignment-indicative.

Last game I played with Tunkeg I (wrongly) thought Tunkeg was being far more disruptive than in his previous games and he wasn't putting forth reads because he was scum. I was just wrong, and to be honest I don't think anyone really knows why Tunkeg decided to play in that manner (perhaps it was because he was tired of dumb people, who knows-it's something he said earlier in this game). If you're going to meta someone you need to show HOW the differences (or similarities) are alignment-indicative.


Bugs, if someone says, "hey he's looking scummy, but it's the same as his own games", you have to show that it's different from their town games.

I have done that, according to you. His play on his own is scummy. It's not like his town games.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
January 04 2013 03:36 GMT
#1251
On January 04 2013 12:33 debears wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 04 2013 12:31 marvellosity wrote:
The case didn't really demonstrate at all any differences in his town/scum games. Tunkeg earlier in the game gave a list of reads with explanations very much like the one that debears quotes from Hero mini. Apart from that there's nothing.


do you deny that he is fucking scummy this game at the very least?


In Hero he didn't give reads until he was about to get lynched basically. He was easy lynchbait the whole game. Of course his play is scummy here, just like it was in Hero. He might even be scum, I dunno yet. Nothing in your case made me go "a-ha! nice!"
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
January 04 2013 03:36 GMT
#1252
*same as his town games*
debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
January 04 2013 03:37 GMT
#1253
On January 04 2013 12:36 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 04 2013 12:33 debears wrote:
On January 04 2013 12:31 marvellosity wrote:
The case didn't really demonstrate at all any differences in his town/scum games. Tunkeg earlier in the game gave a list of reads with explanations very much like the one that debears quotes from Hero mini. Apart from that there's nothing.


do you deny that he is fucking scummy this game at the very least?


In Hero he didn't give reads until he was about to get lynched basically. He was easy lynchbait the whole game. Of course his play is scummy here, just like it was in Hero. He might even be scum, I dunno yet. Nothing in your case made me go "a-ha! nice!"


His activity all hero was 3 pages. His day 1 was 1 page exactly. He has 3 pages halfway into d1 and nothing to show for it
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
January 04 2013 03:38 GMT
#1254
On January 04 2013 12:37 debears wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 04 2013 12:36 marvellosity wrote:
On January 04 2013 12:33 debears wrote:
On January 04 2013 12:31 marvellosity wrote:
The case didn't really demonstrate at all any differences in his town/scum games. Tunkeg earlier in the game gave a list of reads with explanations very much like the one that debears quotes from Hero mini. Apart from that there's nothing.


do you deny that he is fucking scummy this game at the very least?


In Hero he didn't give reads until he was about to get lynched basically. He was easy lynchbait the whole game. Of course his play is scummy here, just like it was in Hero. He might even be scum, I dunno yet. Nothing in your case made me go "a-ha! nice!"


His activity all hero was 3 pages. His day 1 was 1 page exactly. He has 3 pages halfway into d1 and nothing to show for it


So he's more active and equally unproductive. So?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
January 04 2013 03:39 GMT
#1255
And Marv, here is his first post of reads

On January 04 2013 00:17 Tunkeg wrote:
So I am up to date on the thread. I think there are some obvious townies in the mix, and some players who I am more concerned about.

I am still concerned about Palmar. His policy-tunneling of WBG is getting old. He look abit to careless for being town-Palmar. He have also seemed to be avoiding confrontation with marv (at least until Palmar now called marv a bitch, which is what I would expect from a town Palmar), when marv basicly is soft pushing Palmar for scum. Lately he is starting to push people around abit, and smacking them about, this I like. I would still say I get more scumvibes from Palmar than townvibes. Enough to want to lynch him day 1? HEEELLLZ NO! If Palmar is town, him being somewhat suspicious might save him night one. He will also then start racking up scumreads and push scummies, if this doesn't happend he is scum.

debears I am more concerned about. Even though this is meta, and meta basicly from one game, the change of style is very apparent. In Hero Mini Mafia he was active and pushing town objectives from the get go. He, together with Palmar, got Adam lynched. This resulted in him getting NK night 1. This game all he have done is talk about random lynching and discussing set-up. Besides that he have lurked. I don't get this sudden change in play, from something that obviously worked great and was very pro-town in Hero, to something that is completely useless now. I am leaning scum on him for this.

Clarity_nl is someone I am also concerned about. This is also meta, and a one game meta. In Hero it was clear as day he was town, he played very pro-town (Even though not allways being right). This game he isn't putting in the same effort. He want to lynch me, then no, then he puts out a read on Palmar, that gets corrected, and he admits it was wrong. Then he goes for a policy lynch on Jackal. It is not the pro-town play he did in Hero. He is suspicious.

tube gives me the heebie-jeebies with his:

Show nested quote +
On January 03 2013 09:09 tube wrote:
hi guys gl
im posting like this again this game fuck you all


I don't see any town motivation for doing it. He needs to get on and start playing so that we can read him.

Foolishness is MIA, and should get in to thread ASAP.


How is that any kind of fucking analysis?

This guy wants to policy lynch
This guy isn't active
This guy is changing his mind often
this guy made one statement that scares me
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9642 Posts
January 04 2013 03:39 GMT
#1256
i masoned palmar
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
January 04 2013 03:40 GMT
#1257
On January 04 2013 12:35 HiroPro wrote:
have you read the thread yet bugs?


read it once, yeah.

On January 04 2013 12:35 debears wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 04 2013 12:32 wherebugsgo wrote:
man this is why people hate meta cases.

There might be differences in Tunkeg's play in this game and the past game, but debears you haven't qualified why the differences make him scum. I mean, cool, he's playing differently. Given that last time everyone chewed him out for being a massive dick, I don't find that alignment-indicative.

Last game I played with Tunkeg I (wrongly) thought Tunkeg was being far more disruptive than in his previous games and he wasn't putting forth reads because he was scum. I was just wrong, and to be honest I don't think anyone really knows why Tunkeg decided to play in that manner (perhaps it was because he was tired of dumb people, who knows-it's something he said earlier in this game). If you're going to meta someone you need to show HOW the differences (or similarities) are alignment-indicative.


Bugs, if someone says, "hey he's looking scummy, but it's the same as his own games", you have to show that it's different from their town games.

I have done that, according to you. His play on his own is scummy. It's not like his town games.


I'm not following you.

You might've shown a difference but it's not the difference that matters. You need to be able to explain the difference.

Yeah, finding a difference is cool, but that's not the point of metaing someone. Their play could be different for several different reasons. I find it plausible that, if his play this game is different (I haven't checked thoroughly enough to even say that it is) then there is a good chance it is because, in his last game, it didn't go very well for him.
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
January 04 2013 03:41 GMT
#1258
debears, how is his post in hero that you mentioned any analysis? Seriously, scum marv jumped on it immediately for being so useless
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
January 04 2013 03:45 GMT
#1259
On January 04 2013 12:40 wherebugsgo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 04 2013 12:35 HiroPro wrote:
have you read the thread yet bugs?


read it once, yeah.

Show nested quote +
On January 04 2013 12:35 debears wrote:
On January 04 2013 12:32 wherebugsgo wrote:
man this is why people hate meta cases.

There might be differences in Tunkeg's play in this game and the past game, but debears you haven't qualified why the differences make him scum. I mean, cool, he's playing differently. Given that last time everyone chewed him out for being a massive dick, I don't find that alignment-indicative.

Last game I played with Tunkeg I (wrongly) thought Tunkeg was being far more disruptive than in his previous games and he wasn't putting forth reads because he was scum. I was just wrong, and to be honest I don't think anyone really knows why Tunkeg decided to play in that manner (perhaps it was because he was tired of dumb people, who knows-it's something he said earlier in this game). If you're going to meta someone you need to show HOW the differences (or similarities) are alignment-indicative.


Bugs, if someone says, "hey he's looking scummy, but it's the same as his own games", you have to show that it's different from their town games.

I have done that, according to you. His play on his own is scummy. It's not like his town games.


I'm not following you.

You might've shown a difference but it's not the difference that matters. You need to be able to explain the difference.

Yeah, finding a difference is cool, but that's not the point of metaing someone. Their play could be different for several different reasons. I find it plausible that, if his play this game is different (I haven't checked thoroughly enough to even say that it is) then there is a good chance it is because, in his last game, it didn't go very well for him.


Alright. Let me try putting it this way.

In hero, he argued with others and stated "hey you're likely scum"

He has argued with multiple people this game, not called them scum, and then named scummy 3 people who he didn't engage with

How is that not different in a scum oriented way?>
debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
January 04 2013 03:46 GMT
#1260
On January 04 2013 12:41 Clarity_nl wrote:
debears, how is his post in hero that you mentioned any analysis? Seriously, scum marv jumped on it immediately for being so useless


which one lol. I put 4 in there
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