TL Mafia LVIII - Page 63

On January 04 2013 12:31 marvellosity wrote:
The case didn't really demonstrate at all any differences in his town/scum games. Tunkeg earlier in the game gave a list of reads with explanations very much like the one that debears quotes from Hero mini. Apart from that there's nothing.

On January 04 2013 12:31 marvellosity wrote:
The case didn't really demonstrate at all any differences in his town/scum games. Tunkeg earlier in the game gave a list of reads with explanations very much like the one that debears quotes from Hero mini. Apart from that there's nothing.

On January 04 2013 12:32 wherebugsgo wrote:
man this is why people hate meta cases.

There might be differences in Tunkeg's play in this game and the past game, but debears you haven't qualified why the differences make him scum. I mean, cool, he's playing differently. Given that last time everyone chewed him out for being a massive dick, I don't find that alignment-indicative.

Last game I played with Tunkeg I (wrongly) thought Tunkeg was being far more disruptive than in his previous games and he wasn't putting forth reads because he was scum. I was just wrong, and to be honest I don't think anyone really knows why Tunkeg decided to play in that manner (perhaps it was because he was tired of dumb people, who knows-it's something he said earlier in this game). If you're going to meta someone you need to show HOW the differences (or similarities) are alignment-indicative.

On January 04 2013 12:33 debears wrote:


do you deny that he is fucking scummy this game at the very least?

On January 04 2013 12:36 marvellosity wrote:


In Hero he didn't give reads until he was about to get lynched basically. He was easy lynchbait the whole game. Of course his play is scummy here, just like it was in Hero. He might even be scum, I dunno yet. Nothing in your case made me go "a-ha! nice!"

On January 04 2013 12:37 debears wrote:


His activity all hero was 3 pages. His day 1 was 1 page exactly. He has 3 pages halfway into d1 and nothing to show for it

On January 04 2013 00:17 Tunkeg wrote:
So I am up to date on the thread. I think there are some obvious townies in the mix, and some players who I am more concerned about.

I am still concerned about Palmar. His policy-tunneling of WBG is getting old. He look abit to careless for being town-Palmar. He have also seemed to be avoiding confrontation with marv (at least until Palmar now called marv a bitch, which is what I would expect from a town Palmar), when marv basicly is soft pushing Palmar for scum. Lately he is starting to push people around abit, and smacking them about, this I like. I would still say I get more scumvibes from Palmar than townvibes. Enough to want to lynch him day 1? HEEELLLZ NO! If Palmar is town, him being somewhat suspicious might save him night one. He will also then start racking up scumreads and push scummies, if this doesn't happend he is scum.

debears I am more concerned about. Even though this is meta, and meta basicly from one game, the change of style is very apparent. In Hero Mini Mafia he was active and pushing town objectives from the get go. He, together with Palmar, got Adam lynched. This resulted in him getting NK night 1. This game all he have done is talk about random lynching and discussing set-up. Besides that he have lurked. I don't get this sudden change in play, from something that obviously worked great and was very pro-town in Hero, to something that is completely useless now. I am leaning scum on him for this.

Clarity_nl is someone I am also concerned about. This is also meta, and a one game meta. In Hero it was clear as day he was town, he played very pro-town (Even though not allways being right). This game he isn't putting in the same effort. He want to lynch me, then no, then he puts out a read on Palmar, that gets corrected, and he admits it was wrong. Then he goes for a policy lynch on Jackal. It is not the pro-town play he did in Hero. He is suspicious.

tube gives me the heebie-jeebies with his:



I don't see any town motivation for doing it. He needs to get on and start playing so that we can read him.

Foolishness is MIA, and should get in to thread ASAP.

On January 04 2013 12:35 HiroPro wrote:
have you read the thread yet bugs?

On January 04 2013 12:35 debears wrote:


Bugs, if someone says, "hey he's looking scummy, but it's the same as his own games", you have to show that it's different from their town games.

I have done that, according to you. His play on his own is scummy. It's not like his town games.

On January 04 2013 12:40 wherebugsgo wrote:


read it once, yeah.



I'm not following you.

You might've shown a difference but it's not the difference that matters. You need to be able to explain the difference.

Yeah, finding a difference is cool, but that's not the point of metaing someone. Their play could be different for several different reasons. I find it plausible that, if his play this game is different (I haven't checked thoroughly enough to even say that it is) then there is a good chance it is because, in his last game, it didn't go very well for him.

On January 04 2013 12:41 Clarity_nl wrote:
debears, how is his post in hero that you mentioned any analysis? Seriously, scum marv jumped on it immediately for being so useless