EPTIf he lacks that much confidence in his reads, I lack confidence in him. I'm not lynching Stutters tomorrow just because Palmar came up with the idea.
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yamato77
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If he lacks that much confidence in his reads, I lack confidence in him. I'm not lynching Stutters tomorrow just because Palmar came up with the idea. | ||
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Stutters695
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On December 28 2012 14:56 wherebugsgo wrote: Maybe, maybe not. But guess what? Whether or not you kill me, stutters has to die for town to win. I can virtually guarantee that. If you couldn't just say "lynch stutters" for days straight who would you be pushing. When I flip town you're going to get lynched and if you're town like you claim it's going to cost us the game. | ||
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wherebugsgo
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On December 29 2012 01:53 yamato77 wrote: It's a good strategy when everyone wants to be stupid. On December 29 2012 01:56 yamato77 wrote: Also you miss the point of my post. Why is Palmar coming up with plans to lynch people in toss up scenarios like he has no idea who might be scum? If he lacks that much confidence in his reads, I lack confidence in him. I'm not lynching Stutters tomorrow just because Palmar came up with the idea. These two posts are in direct contradiction to each other. If you had confidence in YOUR reads, wouldn't you be consistent in who you are attacking? Yet, you attack everyone, and pin it on "everyone is being stupid." If I remember correctly, part of your argument against me was that...well, I was calling everyone stupid. So why is Palmar scum for not having confidence in his reads when literally no one else does either? Not to mention, a further part of your argument was that you were "not impressed" with my performance, something again you are using to attack Palmar. On December 29 2012 02:12 Stutters695 wrote: If you couldn't just say "lynch stutters" for days straight who would you be pushing. When I flip town you're going to get lynched and if you're town like you claim it's going to cost us the game. You're not going to flip town, and right now it doesn't matter, given the fact that the lynch tomorrow is probably going to be between you and me. You're dying first. | ||
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yamato77
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On December 29 2012 02:15 wherebugsgo wrote: These two posts are in direct contradiction to each other. If you had confidence in YOUR reads, wouldn't you be consistent in who you are attacking? Yet, you attack everyone, and pin it on "everyone is being stupid." If I remember correctly, part of your argument against me was that...well, I was calling everyone stupid. So why is Palmar scum for not having confidence in his reads when literally no one else does either? Not to mention, a further part of your argument was that you were "not impressed" with my performance, something again you are using to attack Palmar. I'm not attacking Palmar. It was mostly sarcasm. My intention is to get Vivax lynched tomorrow. Palmar's plan is in contradiction to how I see the game at the moment. | ||
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wherebugsgo
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wbg certain scum ---> eywa certain scum ----> let's call out Palmar (but I don't actually think he's scum) ----> stutters certain town ---> vivax certain scum? The fuck? | ||
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yamato77
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Where are you going with this? | ||
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yamato77
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Good job bugs. If you're town you're being an idiot and if you're scum you're running a smear campaign. | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On December 29 2012 02:23 yamato77 wrote: Should I make a list of all the people you've called out this game? Where are you going with this? I want to know at what point you simply dropped me as a target. I also don't understand your thought process, probably because you are far stupider than the people you are calling stupid. (that is, everyone) | ||
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wherebugsgo
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On December 29 2012 02:25 yamato77 wrote: Also none of those were certain. Your use of that word is just to make me look worse. Good job bugs. If you're town you're being an idiot and if you're scum you're running a smear campaign. so why did you vote eywa if you were not certain he was scum? Why were you pushing me with such certainty yesterday? Why do you completely neglect the chance that stutters is scum? Why are you so certain Vivax is scum? Not certain my ass, you certainly want to seem like you're certain. | ||
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Palmar
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wherebugsgo
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On December 29 2012 02:26 Palmar wrote: I just said what is optimal play, not who I'm lynching right, clearly you've already displayed a propensity for falling for suboptimal plays, as exemplified by yesterday's lynch. If stutters doesn't die tomorrow then he will have to die eventually for scum to lose. | ||
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Stutters695
2610 Posts
On December 28 2012 20:01 Palmar wrote: The only problem with the Vivax/Bugs scumteam theory is that there is no conceivable route to victory for them. Even if we mislynch stutters tomorrow, one of the mafia would be lynched in lylo and due to bugs's defending of Vivax, the other one would almost certainly be lynched in the 2v1 lylo. Which seems too simple, and well, if Bugs is actually scum, it's too easy. He doesn't play scum to lose. So, it's obvious we lynch into Stutters/Bugs/Vivax tomorrow, mafia will shoot one of the "confirmed" townies tonight. We don't have the time or mislynches available to chase after alternative possibilities like sciberbia and prom, even yamato/morb. Just reading the last day over there's three possibilities as to how scum is playing this: a) Scum is actually derp and hasn't planned for winning the game. Scumteam = Bugs/Vivax b) Scum has a hidden gem in the town "circle". Since we only get 1 mislynch this game this would basically give the game to scum. If Zelblade/Prom is actually scum, we're fucked. c) Scum is already busing and playing for a solo win. This means stutters is scum since both bugs and Vivax are attacking him. The probable idea here being that the credit for pushing the mislynch will allow scum to push later an idea of b) to incriminate sciberbia or prom, most likely. So here's the problem for me. Optimal play in this situation is to lynch stutters tomorrow. if stutters flips town, it will inevitably lead to us lynching bugs/vivax anyway. If he however flips scum, we need to decide how to proceed. Remember that this will give bugs and vivax both "town cred" and leave for example sciberbia looking slightly worse. I really need to think this through. Would appreciate anyone giving their thoughts on how to proceed. So what you're saying is it makes sense to lynch me because a bugs vivax scumteam wouldn't be this bad? Obviously I disagree with the premise I'm scum, but unless you have some amazing read on vivax/bugs or think you that if I'm town they both must be scum you're wasting our only remaining mislynch only to put us in a 50/50 flip for a scum in lylo (if that team is too dumb to be true). Wouldn't it make much more sense in that case to still lynch one of them first when we have the safety net of a mislynch since we can just lynch the other? Then we have time to analyze the remaining players instead of failing a lynch now and having to guess later. I'm not seeing how this is optimal play. | ||
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yamato77
11589 Posts
On December 29 2012 02:26 wherebugsgo wrote: so why did you vote eywa if you were not certain he was scum? Why were you pushing me with such certainty yesterday? Why do you completely neglect the chance that stutters is scum? Why are you so certain Vivax is scum? Not certain my ass, you certainly want to seem like you're certain. Oh, so I should push my reads like I have zero confidence in them and have no idea if I'm right or wrong. I understand now. Are you stupid? How is that good play at all? Now you're just being an idiot as either alignment. Also, I dropped you as a target at some point in day 2 when I saw you actually being constructive. But now you're back to idiot bugs who I want to lynch so keep it up. | ||
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Palmar
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On December 29 2012 02:29 wherebugsgo wrote: right, clearly you've already displayed a propensity for falling for suboptimal plays, as exemplified by yesterday's lynch. If stutters doesn't die tomorrow then he will have to die eventually for scum to lose. Explain what bad play I fell for? I called for a no lynch to extend the game. How is that bad? | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On December 29 2012 02:30 yamato77 wrote: Oh, so I should push my reads like I have zero confidence in them and have no idea if I'm right or wrong. I understand now. Are you stupid? How is that good play at all? Now you're just being an idiot as either alignment. Also, I dropped you as a target at some point in day 2 when I saw you actually being constructive. But now you're back to idiot bugs who I want to lynch so keep it up. so now you are lying. Cool, I'm not the scum here. | ||
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wherebugsgo
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On December 29 2012 02:33 Palmar wrote: Explain what bad play I fell for? I called for a no lynch to extend the game. How is that bad? you chose to lynch eywa instead of lynching stutters, which effectively prevented us from getting a double lynch. You know as well as I do why double lynches are so powerful. We would have had to flip stutters no matter what, eywa being flipped was simply collateral (due to the forced modkill) The only situation in which we wouldn't have had to kill stutters is if eywa came back before the deadline. That did not happen. | ||
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yamato77
11589 Posts
On December 29 2012 02:34 wherebugsgo wrote: so now you are lying. Cool, I'm not the scum here. What? I'm lying? I am beginning to regret playing this game with you. | ||
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wherebugsgo
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Why do you have a town read on him? | ||
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yamato77
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If you're town you are seriously terrible at this game. | ||
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wherebugsgo
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On December 29 2012 02:38 yamato77 wrote: Bugs are you serious with this shit? I am scum? If you're town you are seriously terrible at this game. yamato's scumreads this game: everyone And you call me bad. Cool story, bro. | ||
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