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yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
December 28 2012 01:35 GMT
#1421
I don't have a scum read on Stutters. I didn't have a scum read on Eywa. I have a scum read on you and Vivax so one of you dies tomorrow.
Writer@WriterYamato
Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
December 28 2012 01:36 GMT
#1422
On December 28 2012 10:22 wherebugsgo wrote:
if the goal was to kill both stutters and eywa, and it probably was, given that you are going to have to kill stutters no matter what, it made far more sense to kill stutters and let eywa get modkilled.

Tomorrow nothing changes. Stutters is still alive, he still needs to die. If you kill me you'll just come back to having to kill stutters in mylo.


Are you still hung up on my activity level d1/d2? Do you disagree with my read on vivax? You thought scib had a good point about the late RB claim and said you needed to reread. Do you still think vivax is town after reading through again?
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
December 28 2012 02:14 GMT
#1423
On December 28 2012 10:35 yamato77 wrote:
I don't have a scum read on Stutters. I didn't have a scum read on Eywa. I have a scum read on you and Vivax so one of you dies tomorrow.


I don't care about you since, you're dumb or scum.

On December 28 2012 10:36 Stutters695 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 28 2012 10:22 wherebugsgo wrote:
if the goal was to kill both stutters and eywa, and it probably was, given that you are going to have to kill stutters no matter what, it made far more sense to kill stutters and let eywa get modkilled.

Tomorrow nothing changes. Stutters is still alive, he still needs to die. If you kill me you'll just come back to having to kill stutters in mylo.


Are you still hung up on my activity level d1/d2? Do you disagree with my read on vivax? You thought scib had a good point about the late RB claim and said you needed to reread. Do you still think vivax is town after reading through again?


no, yes, yes.

wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
December 28 2012 02:20 GMT
#1424
there is something about this game that is still driving me nuts.

I still can't figure out who the most likely second scum is after stutters.
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
December 28 2012 02:59 GMT
#1425
Why should I listen to you again? The only reason you aren't dead is because town decided that lynching the modkill was the best play.

Tomorrow, though, everyone is gonna want to lynch you.
Writer@WriterYamato
Morbidius
Profile Joined November 2010
Brazil3449 Posts
December 28 2012 03:08 GMT
#1426
This game is boring, thats whats driving me nuts.
Has foreign StarCraft hit rock bottom?
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
December 28 2012 03:49 GMT
#1427
Really? The game is boring? You have a blue role and you've been more anti town than pro town the whole game and now you want to complain the game is boring?

How about you reread the whole game and think about who might actually be scum instead of making a post complaining that the game is boring?
Writer@WriterYamato
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
December 28 2012 05:56 GMT
#1428
On December 28 2012 11:59 yamato77 wrote:
Why should I listen to you again? The only reason you aren't dead is because town decided that lynching the modkill was the best play.

Tomorrow, though, everyone is gonna want to lynch you.


Maybe, maybe not.

But guess what? Whether or not you kill me, stutters has to die for town to win. I can virtually guarantee that.
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
December 28 2012 06:07 GMT
#1429
I highly doubt Stutters is scum.

I'll give it another look though because despite my opinion of you, you've improved significantly in your play the past day and it makes me consider the possibility of town Bugs more seriously.
Writer@WriterYamato
Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
December 28 2012 06:41 GMT
#1430
I swear to god I am going to hunt down Eywa- and punch him in the face. I might punch Morb too, all this 'this game is boring' nonsense. Most games are boring when you don't play.

So Yamato, who do you have the strongest scum read on? You seem to be finding Bugs towneir for his play today, that leaves Stutters and Vivax as the most suspicious players. After this eywa- fiasco (how the fuck was he one of us? I do not understand it) I am hesitant to push the idea that the weaker and generally more scummy players are scum this game. While it is possible I want to re-analyze play up until this point. We have a number of flips to work off of now and we should be able to figure something out.

Palmar, who is scum?

Bugs, do you really think that attacking yamato is wise? I happen to find the young fellow quite towny. You gain nothing by insulting him. If you think he is either dumb or scum and he clearly isn't scum you are shitting up the thread by interacting with him.

So, there are seven of us left after tonight with two scum left. 5-2 is pretty good for us when we have so many confirmed town players. We have to hit scum in our next two lynches. I feel that the last two scum have to be some part of Bugs/Vivax/Stutters unless Palmar is scum which we'll find out if he is alive much longer. Out of those three I'd prefer to lynch Vivax over the other two but I have to look into filters and d1 again.
TL Mafia. Love it. Play it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 I find Kennigit really attractive. If anyone has a picture of him please feel free to PM it to me.
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
December 28 2012 07:20 GMT
#1431
I read all of Stutters filter and nothing reads anti town at all. His case on Vivax echoes the same problems I have had with his play up to this point and even considers the one reason I doubt myself which is the WIFOM bait Wiggles case on Vivax.

Vivax I think should be the lynch tomorrow.

Bugs I want your complete read on Vivax if you are indeed town. If he flips scum you're literally the only other person I am looking at as his scum buddy.
Writer@WriterYamato
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22632 Posts
December 28 2012 08:17 GMT
#1432
On December 28 2012 12:08 Morbidius wrote:
This game is boring, thats whats driving me nuts.


How about you do something then? You basically took a strong blue role and royally screwed it up, giving us nothing of value, just to save your own hide because you're too lazy to actually play. How about those checks Morb? Oh wait, you claimed like an idiot on day 2 with 1 townie check.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22632 Posts
December 28 2012 08:23 GMT
#1433
This game is incredibly frustrating to play. How the flying fuck is this setup meant to be balanced? This is the most anti-town favored setup I think I've ever played.

Town needs 4 correct lynches to win.

Town has 1 mislynch. if we mislynch twice we lose. This was meant to be 2 mislynches, but one townie decided not to play so derp.

Town has no confirmation of the blue roles whatsoever because scum can just claim whatever the fuck they want because we know nothing about the setup.

If we had the SK actually manage to get one kill through (1 kill by an SK) or a wrong vigilante shot, we literally would be in mylo with no mislynches at all with no confirmed townies. Instead because we actually lynched the SK before he could do anything, we're left with 1 mislynch. If literally dibbers had shot someone like yamato or something on n1, we'd be in fucking mylo now, with no mislynches, just 2 correct lynches and a modkill. And on top of that no confirmed townies because apparently this isn't a c9++ setup at all.

Sorry for ranting about that, but this is way harder than it should be.
Computer says mafia
Morbidius
Profile Joined November 2010
Brazil3449 Posts
December 28 2012 10:13 GMT
#1434
Allright allright, am posting a read on vivax and bugs.
Bugs actually managed to kinda convince me that he's town, however i'm still not sure of stutters.
Has foreign StarCraft hit rock bottom?
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22632 Posts
December 28 2012 10:40 GMT
#1435
On December 28 2012 11:20 wherebugsgo wrote:
there is something about this game that is still driving me nuts.

I still can't figure out who the most likely second scum is after stutters.


You better.

Not that I'm lynching you tomorrow. I've had enough of your shit. Trying to get town into lylo tomorrow (should our second lynch flip town) was the last straw.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22632 Posts
December 28 2012 11:01 GMT
#1436
The only problem with the Vivax/Bugs scumteam theory is that there is no conceivable route to victory for them. Even if we mislynch stutters tomorrow, one of the mafia would be lynched in lylo and due to bugs's defending of Vivax, the other one would almost certainly be lynched in the 2v1 lylo.

Which seems too simple, and well, if Bugs is actually scum, it's too easy. He doesn't play scum to lose.

So, it's obvious we lynch into Stutters/Bugs/Vivax tomorrow, mafia will shoot one of the "confirmed" townies tonight. We don't have the time or mislynches available to chase after alternative possibilities like sciberbia and prom, even yamato/morb.

Just reading the last day over there's three possibilities as to how scum is playing this:

a) Scum is actually derp and hasn't planned for winning the game. Scumteam = Bugs/Vivax

b) Scum has a hidden gem in the town "circle". Since we only get 1 mislynch this game this would basically give the game to scum. If Zelblade/Prom is actually scum, we're fucked.

c) Scum is already busing and playing for a solo win. This means stutters is scum since both bugs and Vivax are attacking him. The probable idea here being that the credit for pushing the mislynch will allow scum to push later an idea of b) to incriminate sciberbia or prom, most likely.

So here's the problem for me. Optimal play in this situation is to lynch stutters tomorrow.

if stutters flips town, it will inevitably lead to us lynching bugs/vivax anyway. If he however flips scum, we need to decide how to proceed. Remember that this will give bugs and vivax both "town cred" and leave for example sciberbia looking slightly worse.

I really need to think this through. Would appreciate anyone giving their thoughts on how to proceed.
Computer says mafia
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
December 28 2012 13:28 GMT
#1437
On December 28 2012 20:01 Palmar wrote:

So here's the problem for me. Optimal play in this situation is to lynch stutters tomorrow.


yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
December 28 2012 16:33 GMT
#1438
Palmar why do you keep coming up with bad plans to lynch townies instead of scum reads?

I think maybe we should lynch you.
Writer@WriterYamato
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
December 28 2012 16:50 GMT
#1439
yamato's strategy this game:

call everyone scum, I'm bound to be right 3 times
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
December 28 2012 16:53 GMT
#1440
It's a good strategy when everyone wants to be stupid.
Writer@WriterYamato
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