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Also, you're missing the point about marv. Marv's not just any player. He's one of the best town players in the game.
Actions speak louder than words. Marv has been pushing mafia objectives all game, other than an early bus of Adam (which btw, is really easy to do, since he'd know Adam was scum). More importantly, marv has not pushed a correct lynch once all game. Think about that. Marv hasn't pushed a correct lynch all game.
Town marv lynches scum. Scum marv lynches townies. Town marv has never been alive at lylo in any recent games. Pretty easy lynch IMO.
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On December 24 2012 06:51 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2012 06:48 Hapahauli wrote: Why would I go all-in with Z-Bo? It's not like was an apparent lynch candidate for a hypothetical tomorrow Mm. I disagree. Thrawn and Vivax would have gone after Z-Bo, and yeah, both of them are dead. Thrawn was convinced that one scum had to be among the people not voting Adam D1. This led him to write his Z-Bo case before, and he mentioned it again before being killed. Vivax has been tunneled but Z-Bo a lot this game, so I guess that he could have found him suspicious at some point.
But that's the thing - your strategy is not coherent. We eliminated all the opposition to Z-Bo... then decided to go all out today? If that was our NK plan, Z-Bo would bus me today and he would be our endgame player.
I still don't understand why you think a town marv is alive at lylo.
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Djo, its an unlikley claim, not impossible. Read my comments in my interaction with hapa
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On December 24 2012 06:54 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2012 06:51 Djodref wrote:On December 24 2012 06:48 Hapahauli wrote: Why would I go all-in with Z-Bo? It's not like was an apparent lynch candidate for a hypothetical tomorrow Mm. I disagree. Thrawn and Vivax would have gone after Z-Bo, and yeah, both of them are dead. Thrawn was convinced that one scum had to be among the people not voting Adam D1. This led him to write his Z-Bo case before, and he mentioned it again before being killed. Vivax has been tunneled but Z-Bo a lot this game, so I guess that he could have found him suspicious at some point. But that's the thing - your strategy is not coherent. We eliminated all the opposition to Z-Bo... then decided to go all out today? If that was our NK plan, Z-Bo would bus me today and he would be our endgame player. I still don't understand why you think a town marv is alive at lylo.
I don't know. It could be easy not to kill him to bring this argument. It's like reverse framing. Today is all or nothing imo, so why not bring marv along.
Shit, I hate my position right now.
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Marv pushed Tunkeg lynch, but I did the same at that time. So it doesn't make him scum.
Marv thought that the scumteam was Hapa/jay/Djo. I understand him being wrong about jay and me, because we are scummy town players. I don't know, I really like his reaction to WBG's bluff, when you did not even write a post.
Tell me why a scum marv would have had a town read on BL ? How does it serve him ?
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Vote updated. Djo im sure u can figure this out. Will bbl
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On December 24 2012 06:57 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2012 06:54 Hapahauli wrote:On December 24 2012 06:51 Djodref wrote:On December 24 2012 06:48 Hapahauli wrote: Why would I go all-in with Z-Bo? It's not like was an apparent lynch candidate for a hypothetical tomorrow Mm. I disagree. Thrawn and Vivax would have gone after Z-Bo, and yeah, both of them are dead. Thrawn was convinced that one scum had to be among the people not voting Adam D1. This led him to write his Z-Bo case before, and he mentioned it again before being killed. Vivax has been tunneled but Z-Bo a lot this game, so I guess that he could have found him suspicious at some point. But that's the thing - your strategy is not coherent. We eliminated all the opposition to Z-Bo... then decided to go all out today? If that was our NK plan, Z-Bo would bus me today and he would be our endgame player. I still don't understand why you think a town marv is alive at lylo. I don't know. It could be easy not to kill him to bring this argument. It's like reverse framing. Today is all or nothing imo, so why not bring marv along. Shit, I hate my position right now.
Do you know what the first post in my Mario Mini Mafia QT was? http://www.quicktopic.com/48/H/8tUWEsHeiEQ
"Default rule - Marv dies N1. That is all."
Killing marv is my #1 goal in all my scumgames. He's the player that's most familiar with my scum meta. That's also shows how much respect I have for his townplay - he will eat a scumteam alive if left alive for a long time.
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On December 24 2012 07:01 Djodref wrote: Marv pushed Tunkeg lynch, but I did the same at that time. So it doesn't make him scum.
Marv thought that the scumteam was Hapa/jay/Djo. I understand him being wrong about jay and me, because we are scummy town players. I don't know, I really like his reaction to WBG's bluff, when you did not even write a post.
Tell me why a scum marv would have had a town read on BL ? How does it serve him ?
He has a town-read on BL, because he doesn't need to have a scumread on him. He needed two lynches, jay and myself, to win the game. Everyone was agreeing, which made BL completely useless. Plus he could always 180 on that BL town read when I flipped green.
Lastly, scum marv ALWAYS pushes mislynches. ALWAYS. Whether you agree with him is not the issue (hell I agreed with him at the time). The issue is whether or not he gets it right. He hasn't.
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Once again, need I remind you that one of the best town-players in the game is alive right now. You know the last two times he was alive at lylo?
Deathnote Mini Mafia - Scum Normal Mini Mafia III - Scum
And that's just recent memory.
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On December 24 2012 07:01 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2012 06:57 Djodref wrote:On December 24 2012 06:54 Hapahauli wrote:On December 24 2012 06:51 Djodref wrote:On December 24 2012 06:48 Hapahauli wrote: Why would I go all-in with Z-Bo? It's not like was an apparent lynch candidate for a hypothetical tomorrow Mm. I disagree. Thrawn and Vivax would have gone after Z-Bo, and yeah, both of them are dead. Thrawn was convinced that one scum had to be among the people not voting Adam D1. This led him to write his Z-Bo case before, and he mentioned it again before being killed. Vivax has been tunneled but Z-Bo a lot this game, so I guess that he could have found him suspicious at some point. But that's the thing - your strategy is not coherent. We eliminated all the opposition to Z-Bo... then decided to go all out today? If that was our NK plan, Z-Bo would bus me today and he would be our endgame player. I still don't understand why you think a town marv is alive at lylo. I don't know. It could be easy not to kill him to bring this argument. It's like reverse framing. Today is all or nothing imo, so why not bring marv along. Shit, I hate my position right now. Do you know what the first post in my Mario Mini Mafia QT was? http://www.quicktopic.com/48/H/8tUWEsHeiEQ"Default rule - Marv dies N1. That is all."Killing marv is my #1 goal in all my scumgames. He's the player that's most familiar with my scum meta. That's also shows how much respect I have for his townplay - he will eat a scumteam alive if left alive for a long time.
So why did you keep a town read on marv for all game ?
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Funny about those two games, everyone thought he was town for the same reasons you're thinking right now. He was "pro-town" and was pushing cases. Problem was, the cases were all wrong.
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On December 24 2012 07:05 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2012 07:01 Hapahauli wrote:On December 24 2012 06:57 Djodref wrote:On December 24 2012 06:54 Hapahauli wrote:On December 24 2012 06:51 Djodref wrote:On December 24 2012 06:48 Hapahauli wrote: Why would I go all-in with Z-Bo? It's not like was an apparent lynch candidate for a hypothetical tomorrow Mm. I disagree. Thrawn and Vivax would have gone after Z-Bo, and yeah, both of them are dead. Thrawn was convinced that one scum had to be among the people not voting Adam D1. This led him to write his Z-Bo case before, and he mentioned it again before being killed. Vivax has been tunneled but Z-Bo a lot this game, so I guess that he could have found him suspicious at some point. But that's the thing - your strategy is not coherent. We eliminated all the opposition to Z-Bo... then decided to go all out today? If that was our NK plan, Z-Bo would bus me today and he would be our endgame player. I still don't understand why you think a town marv is alive at lylo. I don't know. It could be easy not to kill him to bring this argument. It's like reverse framing. Today is all or nothing imo, so why not bring marv along. Shit, I hate my position right now. Do you know what the first post in my Mario Mini Mafia QT was? http://www.quicktopic.com/48/H/8tUWEsHeiEQ"Default rule - Marv dies N1. That is all."Killing marv is my #1 goal in all my scumgames. He's the player that's most familiar with my scum meta. That's also shows how much respect I have for his townplay - he will eat a scumteam alive if left alive for a long time. So why did you keep a town read on marv for all game ?
'Cause he tricked me man. Also, if I had a town read on marv, and everyone had a town read on marv, why the fuck wouldn't he be dead right now? Do you seriously think that town marv would be allowed to live over players like thrawn and vivax... seriously?
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And why is Z-Bo getting all worried right now ? I thought that he had you as scum. He can prove his innocence tomorrow...
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On December 24 2012 07:08 Djodref wrote: And why is Z-Bo getting all worried right now ? I thought that he had you as scum. He can prove his innocence tomorrow...
Because marv and Grush are going "Lol hapa + Z-Boson scum!" Should be pretty obvious to him who the scumteam is right now.
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On December 24 2012 07:10 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2012 07:08 Djodref wrote: And why is Z-Bo getting all worried right now ? I thought that he had you as scum. He can prove his innocence tomorrow... Because marv and Grush are going "Lol hapa + Z-Boson scum!" Should be pretty obvious to him who the scumteam is right now.
Why do you defend him ?
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On December 24 2012 06:51 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2012 06:48 Hapahauli wrote: Why would I go all-in with Z-Bo? It's not like was an apparent lynch candidate for a hypothetical tomorrow Mm. I disagree. Thrawn and Vivax would have gone after Z-Bo, and yeah, both of them are dead. Thrawn was convinced that one scum had to be among the people not voting Adam D1. This led him to write his Z-Bo case before, and he mentioned it again before being killed. Vivax has been tunneled but Z-Bo a lot this game, so I guess that he could have found him suspicious at some point.
Replying to things as I found them. Just as a reminder, Vivax's last read on Z-Bo was "99% not mafia". Probably wrong, but don't use that as a basis of wifoming yourself on night kills.
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On December 24 2012 07:11 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2012 07:10 Hapahauli wrote:On December 24 2012 07:08 Djodref wrote: And why is Z-Bo getting all worried right now ? I thought that he had you as scum. He can prove his innocence tomorrow... Because marv and Grush are going "Lol hapa + Z-Boson scum!" Should be pretty obvious to him who the scumteam is right now. Why do you defend him ?
Why not? I got town-vibes in my conversation with him last night. Also, it's pretty clear that marv + grush are going all-in to win today. They have no choice.
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Oh man, Hapa you are so desperate. Djo just vote him.
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