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Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
December 23 2012 20:08 GMT
#3041
But I still think that lynching Hapa is the right move to do. But I'm really less sure than before jay's flip.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
December 23 2012 20:13 GMT
#3042
On December 24 2012 05:08 Djodref wrote:
But I still think that lynching Hapa is the right move to do. But I'm really less sure than before jay's flip.


obviously. jay flipped town rather than scum which he should have.

your job, whether you're in france or not, is to convince me you're the townie and not z-bo. that's by far the less obvious thing for me right now.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
December 23 2012 20:31 GMT
#3043
On December 24 2012 05:13 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 24 2012 05:08 Djodref wrote:
But I still think that lynching Hapa is the right move to do. But I'm really less sure than before jay's flip.


obviously. jay flipped town rather than scum which he should have.

your job, whether you're in france or not, is to convince me you're the townie and not z-bo. that's by far the less obvious thing for me right now.


Ok, I can do that.
You look quite confident that Hapa is going to flip scum. Would you mind to share what's the most definite argument you have for a scum Hapa ?

For me, it's the way he behaves D3. His vote of VE comes out of nowhere, as well as his previous town read on VE. Also he didn't defend me during D3.
The fact that he was concerned with the KP is a good sign. And of course Munk-E filter.
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
December 23 2012 20:58 GMT
#3044
@ marv

Regarding Z-Bo, he has totally ignored VE from quite a long time in the game.

On December 13 2012 12:04 Z-BosoN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2012 11:54 Hapahauli wrote:
Also Z-Bo, who's your top scumread now in the face of the WBG flip? Still Vivax?


No, tbh I don't think vivax is scum anymore. Despite his weird-as-fuck vote on Adam, the rest of his play feels to me like he is involved. Jay isn't looking too hot, and neither is Djo. VE is also someone I have to look more carefully, as well as yourself.
Point a gun to my head and I'd say jay.


So, here, Z-Bo is saying that he needs to look at VE and Hapa carefully. But does he really do it ?

Here is Z-Bo stance on the game

On December 16 2012 04:42 Z-BosoN wrote:
Godamn it...

Here's my take at the game at the moment.
*snip*
tl;dr
  • I think both marv and Palmar are town.
  • Likely one, if not two, and holy hell even three scum are found in Djo/Vivax/Hapa/Bluelightz/jay (I added Hapa here mostly due to elimination and because his two of his town-reads coincide with my scum reads. (Since, like I said earlier, scum really don't want to bus, it would make sense to give a fellow scum a town read at this point in the game))
  • The shady and hard to read group of VE and grush57 may also have one scum.


I didn't proof read, but tried to make it easier to understand as I was writing this.

Let me know what you guys think.


Hapa is added here by elimination and VE is hard to read...

And here comes Z-Bo after my case on VE

On December 17 2012 12:07 Z-BosoN wrote:
Okay, I'm down to lynching VE.

I don't like how he disappeared and hasn't really responded to anything. He doesn't seem interested in the game AT ALL. If you guys recall, we hadn't interacted at all up until he noted my "scumslip". He then made his "case" on me:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=384953&currentpage=81#1607

And parked his vote on me. This came at a time when I had some pressure on me. I agree a lot with Djo's point on how he is really just going with the flow.

Note how his play is in complete contrast with his game on Liquid City. When he found me to be scum, he spent quite some time interacting with me, prodding around asking other people (BC) what they thought of me, etc. He then gave some attention elsewhere when I wasnt getting any traction. Take a look at the interaction that begins in the last 4-5 posts of this page:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=371260&user=117978&currentpage=8

And some in the next page as well.

This game it's complete and utter crap. He gives a crap reason (that basically surmounts to: I'm prodding people everywhere) and doesnt push me, doesnt do shit. He parks his vote on me and keeps it there, saying later just how he'd be down to lynch me. Doesn't ask other people what they think of me, doesn't try to push his "scum read".

There's also that whole Palmar wants him dead thing.

I'm curious to see what his next move is.



And seriously, if Hapa flips red, it means that I bussed 2 of my teammates during day3. When I just could accept to be lynched and let someone else get the credit for it.

Please also note who Z-Bo has tunneled during this game: Vivax, Tunkeg, WBG and me (all town players)
And then suddendly today he started tunneling Hapa.

I don't see town Z-Bo failing that hard to find scum...
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
December 23 2012 21:25 GMT
#3045
@ Djo

I'd consider joining me on marv. He should not be alive right now. You can rationalize his behavior however you want, but actions speak louder than words. When one of the game's best town players is alive at LYLO with this rapport...
However, Hapa policy-lynch rule #2 (lynch marv at lylo) is starting to make much more sense to me right now. Outside of sheeping Palmar/debears on the Adam vote early on Day 1, you've been largely pushing mafia objectives.
D2) Tunkeg lynch
D3) Push three non-VE targets (Jay, myself, and Djo... seems like a townie crowd)
D4) Jay lynch

... alarm bells should be going off. Marv is scum.



As for a Hapa + Z-Bo scumteam, think about it this way. The concensus regarding my lynch is that my "scummate" bussed me. If Z-Boson were my scumbuddy, the strategy we'd be using is insane. Our "plan" would be:
1) Bus Hapa for 5-6 days to build town credit
2) Light all that town-cred on fire, instead risking a gamble to win the game today by lynching one of the best town players on TL mafia.

Yes that's sane. Keep thinking what you're thinking and town's going to lose.
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
December 23 2012 21:26 GMT
#3046
By the way, Grush is starting to make some posts similar to his scumgames:

On December 24 2012 01:32 grush57 wrote:
Finished reading through thread.
THE SCUM ARE TAKING OVER.
MARV IS TOWN EL STUPIDOS.
SO AM I.
LYNCH HAPAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AND ZBOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO


He's letting his attitude slip. Desperate scum right here.
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
Z-BosoN
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Brazil2590 Posts
December 23 2012 21:38 GMT
#3047
Djo your case on me is im wrong? And u are using someone u want to vote as an example? Dont be ridiculous.
Look how right i was in liquid city or lvii when voting. Look in xxviii, a game u were in, on how i got everything wrong up until the very last minute. Dont place me on a pedestal. You also tunneled the same ppl i did.
Just look at my play and think back on y u thought me town earlier and stop being dumb please
Z-BosoN
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Brazil2590 Posts
December 23 2012 21:39 GMT
#3048
Btw im on my cell on the road, ill be posting a lot less
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
December 23 2012 21:39 GMT
#3049
Unfortunately the game is lost for town if things keep going like this Z-Bo =(

Djo, where you at? We need to talk about the lynch some.
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
Z-BosoN
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Brazil2590 Posts
December 23 2012 21:41 GMT
#3050
Regarding ve, just read and stop repeating things ive gone over
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
December 23 2012 21:43 GMT
#3051
Game's in your hands Djo. No pressure =O
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
December 23 2012 21:43 GMT
#3052
I'm here !
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
December 23 2012 21:44 GMT
#3053
On December 24 2012 06:41 Z-BosoN wrote:
Regarding ve, just read and stop repeating things ive gone over


And what about this "we might have a veteran part" ?
Z-BosoN
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Brazil2590 Posts
December 23 2012 21:44 GMT
#3054
Yea i hate it when ppl go all conspiracy theory instead of looking at the simplest explanaton
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
December 23 2012 21:45 GMT
#3055
First of all, I want to get you off this "Hapa + ZBo" scumteam nonsense:

As for a Hapa + Z-Bo scumteam, think about it this way. The concensus regarding my lynch is that my "scummate" bussed me. If Z-Boson were my scumbuddy, the strategy we'd be using is insane. Our "plan" would be:
1) Bus Hapa for 5-6 days to build town credit
2) Light all that town-cred on fire, instead risking a gamble to win the game today by lynching one of the best town players on TL mafia.

Yes that's sane. Keep thinking what you're thinking and town's going to lose.


Agree, disagree?
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
Z-BosoN
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Brazil2590 Posts
December 23 2012 21:46 GMT
#3056
Whats so suspicious about me rationalizing the nks?
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
December 23 2012 21:47 GMT
#3057
On December 24 2012 06:25 Hapahauli wrote:
@ Djo

I'd consider joining me on marv. He should not be alive right now. You can rationalize his behavior however you want, but actions speak louder than words. When one of the game's best town players is alive at LYLO with this rapport...
Show nested quote +
However, Hapa policy-lynch rule #2 (lynch marv at lylo) is starting to make much more sense to me right now. Outside of sheeping Palmar/debears on the Adam vote early on Day 1, you've been largely pushing mafia objectives.
D2) Tunkeg lynch
D3) Push three non-VE targets (Jay, myself, and Djo... seems like a townie crowd)
D4) Jay lynch

... alarm bells should be going off. Marv is scum.



As for a Hapa + Z-Bo scumteam, think about it this way. The concensus regarding my lynch is that my "scummate" bussed me. If Z-Boson were my scumbuddy, the strategy we'd be using is insane. Our "plan" would be:
1) Bus Hapa for 5-6 days to build town credit
2) Light all that town-cred on fire, instead risking a gamble to win the game today by lynching one of the best town players on TL mafia.

Yes that's sane. Keep thinking what you're thinking and town's going to lose.


I disagree, you could go all-in today. It's win or lose.
Also marv pushed Tunkeg lynch. He really wanted his lynch. I don't care if Tunkeg was town or not. Why fight Palmar over who to lynch as mafia when the alternative target was also town ?

And, yeah, jay lynch, everybody was on it. I cannot blame anyone for lynching jay given how he defended himself.
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
December 23 2012 21:48 GMT
#3058
Why would I go all-in with Z-Bo? It's not like was an apparent lynch candidate for a hypothetical tomorrow
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
December 23 2012 21:49 GMT
#3059
On December 24 2012 06:46 Z-BosoN wrote:
Whats so suspicious about me rationalizing the nks?


Because you were the only thinking that we could have two vets, which could be the case if marv is telling the truth.
And you didn't react to his claim when you said before that you doubted that we could have 2 veterans.
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
December 23 2012 21:51 GMT
#3060
On December 24 2012 06:48 Hapahauli wrote:
Why would I go all-in with Z-Bo? It's not like was an apparent lynch candidate for a hypothetical tomorrow


Mm. I disagree. Thrawn and Vivax would have gone after Z-Bo, and yeah, both of them are dead.

Thrawn was convinced that one scum had to be among the people not voting Adam D1. This led him to write his Z-Bo case before, and he mentioned it again before being killed.

Vivax has been tunneled but Z-Bo a lot this game, so I guess that he could have found him suspicious at some point.
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