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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
December 23 2012 12:01 GMT
#3001
If someone can tell me my motivation there for claiming Veteran as scum while under no pressure and without having made crumbs, then brilliant. Because I can't think of one. Probably because I'm town.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
December 23 2012 12:07 GMT
#3002
also, grush still isn't scum despite what you two seem to be insinuating the last two pages.

It's easy as fuck to make a case against grush because he is ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS going to show scum traits just because of his "trolly" playstyle.

There's nothing in his play that suggests he's playing at all like his scum play. yuk.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
December 23 2012 12:08 GMT
#3003
On December 23 2012 14:06 Z-BosoN wrote:
Looking at grush, I really can't see anything in his posts. I didn't see the big difference in his filter marv announced earlier, not even after running around my house naked three times.
Djo is now a town read for him, despite him wanting to kill Djo badly earlier on.
VE also manifested a town to scum transition in his filter.
And he seriously thinks we are a scum team.
I really can't make any of his posts.


why is this outrageous?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
December 23 2012 12:08 GMT
#3004
Z-Bo, why are you suddenly hyper-active talking with Hapa? endgame piqued your interests?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
December 23 2012 12:11 GMT
#3005
also, Djodref, why are you suddenly taking on a backseat, 'moderating' capacity?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Z-BosoN
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Brazil2590 Posts
December 23 2012 13:08 GMT
#3006
Marv, why would i take all this effort to bus hapa? Dont be ridiculous.
Grush has a meta thats easy to hide your intentions in, im not about to give him a town read based on your meta read on him.
Plane is leaving but as it stands, hapa came looking much better after my interaction with him, and i really dont think they djo hapa are a scum team. Its a big risk to take to give a town read on a scumbuddy when being pressured.
##vote marv

Ill post more and update my vote when i land, i rlly need to shut cell off.
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
December 23 2012 14:21 GMT
#3007
One post before I hit the road... see y'alls tonight!



On December 23 2012 20:53 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 23 2012 16:36 Hapahauli wrote:
HOLD THE FUCK ON A MINUTE.

Marv is scum.
On December 22 2012 20:49 marvellosity wrote:
On December 22 2012 12:57 Z-BosoN wrote:
Tomorrow is my last day on a computer, so yea be active dudes :D
I hope to find scum until then with a winning post of GG.

Marv is someone that needs to be looked at today.



I'll be back this evening to play properly (grmbl christmas shopping). Bluelightz's modkill is amazing for us.

Given I'm alive at LYLO (??) I'll give my best interpretation for why. I am another Veteran. I didn't crumb because I thought it would be obvious when I got shot. I am assuming however that the mafia must have a Rolecop and investigated me at some stage - so double stacking me at any point in the last few days would mean that mafia would have needed an extra mislynch to win the game.

Bluelightz's flip inherently makes me more suspicious of Z-Boson and Djodref. grush... I still think is town. Certainly it seems at least one of the scummers has been playing very well despite the collapse of his team otherwise.


Marv claimed veteran. He's the 4th blue claim. The chances that there are 5 blues in this setup balance wise are... not very high. Yet marv's post regarding VE:

On December 18 2012 09:23 marvellosity wrote:
Z-Bo has gone according to his last post, i assume he's referring to what i pasted here.

i fucking hate this. none of his play is townie, but i hate lynching uncounterclaimed DTs.

djfnsdk

I think we have to lynch him and hope he doesn't flip DT or we feel very stupid


If marv is the veteran, he shouldn't show the slightest bit of doubt lynching VE here. VE would be the 5th blue claim in a 16 man game.

##Vote Marvellosity


You do realise bugs' game had 5 or 6 blues in a 13 man game with 3 scum, right? We could have a gf/vigi/goon/rolecop setup, or whatever.

I'm pretty sure I made a post earlier where I said anything between about 2-6 blues could be balanced depending on scum roles.

I had no real reason to disclose my role earlier in the day, I wasn't under any particular amount of suspicion and I didn't need to make a play to 'save myself'. The simple fact is that it's lylo and I went for full disclosure.

Djodref: what do you expect out of a veteran mentality? I'm motherfucking marvellosity. I post a shit-tonne, I help lynch scum on day 1, what more do I have to do to get shot? Historically I rarely crumb my roles; I did so in Rock Band because I felt insecure in my position near the start, but in games like LI or Dwarf Fortress I didn't breadcrumb my tracker role, I've never crumbed my vigi roles (again, because it would be obvious, like it should have been with my vet role).


Ok maybe this was less of a "EUREKA" moment than I had thought. However, Hapa policy-lynch rule #2 (lynch marv at lylo) is starting to make much more sense to me right now. Outside of sheeping Palmar/debears on the Adam vote early on Day 1, you've been largely pushing mafia objectives.
D2) Tunkeg lynch
D3) Push three non-VE targets (Jay, myself, and Djo... seems like a townie crowd)
D4) Jay lynch

And now I see you convinced of my guilt. I've seen no frustration, or even hesitation about you lynching me today, despite it being a non-contested bandwagon at lylo. Like honestly - not a single person in this game has defended me for the last ~120 hours. And you think that I'm scum? Doubt it.

As a last point, I saw a lot of frustration out of you when you pushed two mislynches in GSL II Mafia. I don't get any sense of frustration, urgency, or even emotion from you right now when the game is on the line. I'm pretty confident that you're flipping red.
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
December 23 2012 14:23 GMT
#3008
And as a last point, there are many scum-teams that are plausible right now. I suppose it's alright to think that one of Z-Bo or I (individually) are scum. However, if you think after last night we're a team? Helllllllllll no.
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
December 23 2012 14:26 GMT
#3009
On December 23 2012 21:11 marvellosity wrote:
also, Djodref, why are you suddenly taking on a backseat, 'moderating' capacity?


It's not sudden, but it's true that you didn't try to lead since Tunkeg's lynch. You didn't try to push any lynch when the choice was between VE and me.
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
December 23 2012 14:28 GMT
#3010
On December 23 2012 23:23 Hapahauli wrote:
And as a last point, there are many scum-teams that are plausible right now. I suppose it's alright to think that one of Z-Bo or I (individually) are scum. However, if you think after last night we're a team? Helllllllllll no.


Why not ?
If you are a team, you can win today. I mean, it would not be strange for mafia or town to show an activity outburst towards the end.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
December 23 2012 14:28 GMT
#3011
On December 23 2012 23:21 Hapahauli wrote:
One post before I hit the road... see y'alls tonight!



Show nested quote +
On December 23 2012 20:53 marvellosity wrote:
On December 23 2012 16:36 Hapahauli wrote:
HOLD THE FUCK ON A MINUTE.

Marv is scum.
On December 22 2012 20:49 marvellosity wrote:
On December 22 2012 12:57 Z-BosoN wrote:
Tomorrow is my last day on a computer, so yea be active dudes :D
I hope to find scum until then with a winning post of GG.

Marv is someone that needs to be looked at today.



I'll be back this evening to play properly (grmbl christmas shopping). Bluelightz's modkill is amazing for us.

Given I'm alive at LYLO (??) I'll give my best interpretation for why. I am another Veteran. I didn't crumb because I thought it would be obvious when I got shot. I am assuming however that the mafia must have a Rolecop and investigated me at some stage - so double stacking me at any point in the last few days would mean that mafia would have needed an extra mislynch to win the game.

Bluelightz's flip inherently makes me more suspicious of Z-Boson and Djodref. grush... I still think is town. Certainly it seems at least one of the scummers has been playing very well despite the collapse of his team otherwise.


Marv claimed veteran. He's the 4th blue claim. The chances that there are 5 blues in this setup balance wise are... not very high. Yet marv's post regarding VE:

On December 18 2012 09:23 marvellosity wrote:
Z-Bo has gone according to his last post, i assume he's referring to what i pasted here.

i fucking hate this. none of his play is townie, but i hate lynching uncounterclaimed DTs.

djfnsdk

I think we have to lynch him and hope he doesn't flip DT or we feel very stupid


If marv is the veteran, he shouldn't show the slightest bit of doubt lynching VE here. VE would be the 5th blue claim in a 16 man game.

##Vote Marvellosity


You do realise bugs' game had 5 or 6 blues in a 13 man game with 3 scum, right? We could have a gf/vigi/goon/rolecop setup, or whatever.

I'm pretty sure I made a post earlier where I said anything between about 2-6 blues could be balanced depending on scum roles.

I had no real reason to disclose my role earlier in the day, I wasn't under any particular amount of suspicion and I didn't need to make a play to 'save myself'. The simple fact is that it's lylo and I went for full disclosure.

Djodref: what do you expect out of a veteran mentality? I'm motherfucking marvellosity. I post a shit-tonne, I help lynch scum on day 1, what more do I have to do to get shot? Historically I rarely crumb my roles; I did so in Rock Band because I felt insecure in my position near the start, but in games like LI or Dwarf Fortress I didn't breadcrumb my tracker role, I've never crumbed my vigi roles (again, because it would be obvious, like it should have been with my vet role).


Ok maybe this was less of a "EUREKA" moment than I had thought. However, Hapa policy-lynch rule #2 (lynch marv at lylo) is starting to make much more sense to me right now. Outside of sheeping Palmar/debears on the Adam vote early on Day 1, you've been largely pushing mafia objectives.
D2) Tunkeg lynch
D3) Push three non-VE targets (Jay, myself, and Djo... seems like a townie crowd)
D4) Jay lynch

And now I see you convinced of my guilt. I've seen no frustration, or even hesitation about you lynching me today, despite it being a non-contested bandwagon at lylo. Like honestly - not a single person in this game has defended me for the last ~120 hours. And you think that I'm scum? Doubt it.

As a last point, I saw a lot of frustration out of you when you pushed two mislynches in GSL II Mafia. I don't get any sense of frustration, urgency, or even emotion from you right now when the game is on the line. I'm pretty confident that you're flipping red.


Obviously you have to take this stance right now, Mr Flip Floppy. Even this cycle you called me 99% town at some stage, and now because of the veteran thing which you're now admitting was not a point at all, you're "convinced I'm flipping red".

The fact is mafia were likely bussing you hard today because you were likely to be a liability. I love that you're trying to pin the jay lynch on me when everyone thought he was scum and Palmar joined me on the Tunkeg wagon.

Why the fuck would mafia defend you?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
December 23 2012 14:29 GMT
#3012
On December 23 2012 23:28 Djodref wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 23 2012 23:23 Hapahauli wrote:
And as a last point, there are many scum-teams that are plausible right now. I suppose it's alright to think that one of Z-Bo or I (individually) are scum. However, if you think after last night we're a team? Helllllllllll no.


Why not ?
If you are a team, you can win today. I mean, it would not be strange for mafia or town to show an activity outburst towards the end.


right, I was about to say this myself.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
December 23 2012 14:30 GMT
#3013
On December 23 2012 23:26 Djodref wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 23 2012 21:11 marvellosity wrote:
also, Djodref, why are you suddenly taking on a backseat, 'moderating' capacity?


It's not sudden, but it's true that you didn't try to lead since Tunkeg's lynch. You didn't try to push any lynch when the choice was between VE and me.


So in your world where you know you're town, how hard did I try to push your lynch on Day 3? Or did I in fact vote VE, then come back near deadline and after thinking things through made sure VE got lynched?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
December 23 2012 14:31 GMT
#3014
On December 23 2012 22:08 Z-BosoN wrote:
Marv, why would i take all this effort to bus hapa? Dont be ridiculous.
Grush has a meta thats easy to hide your intentions in, im not about to give him a town read based on your meta read on him.
Plane is leaving but as it stands, hapa came looking much better after my interaction with him, and i really dont think they djo hapa are a scum team. Its a big risk to take to give a town read on a scumbuddy when being pressured.
##vote marv

Ill post more and update my vote when i land, i rlly need to shut cell off.


The fact you're even asking or phrasing the question this way heavily suggests mafia objectives.

Why are you, indeed, 'taking all this effort' to bus hapa, and then voting me at the end of it?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
December 23 2012 14:32 GMT
#3015
As soon as Djo starts showing doubt, Z-Bo drops his massive case on Hapa and votes for me. Unreal
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
December 23 2012 14:33 GMT
#3016
Here's a clue guys: I haven't suddenly become scum after playing townie all game.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
December 23 2012 14:34 GMT
#3017
On December 23 2012 23:30 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 23 2012 23:26 Djodref wrote:
On December 23 2012 21:11 marvellosity wrote:
also, Djodref, why are you suddenly taking on a backseat, 'moderating' capacity?


It's not sudden, but it's true that you didn't try to lead since Tunkeg's lynch. You didn't try to push any lynch when the choice was between VE and me.


So in your world where you know you're town, how hard did I try to push your lynch on Day 3? Or did I in fact vote VE, then come back near deadline and after thinking things through made sure VE got lynched?


In fact, I need to read D3 again...
You just seemed passive during that day. But I'm not sure to remember correctly. And excuse me, but I want to get things right.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
December 23 2012 14:40 GMT
#3018
oh huh, Z-Bo didn't even vote for me in the voting thread
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
December 23 2012 15:53 GMT
#3019
Anyway, I think that we should lynch Hapa today.
We know that BL was town.

Does it make sense for scum marv to give a town read on this guy ? No...
Does it make sense for scum Hapa to set a BL lynch ? Yes...

Also, VE, Z-Bo and Hapa were ready to lynch jay after VE fakeclaim
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
December 23 2012 16:00 GMT
#3020
And, yeah, about Munk-E, there is something different between this

Munk-E newbie game as town, lynched D1

And this

Munk-E this game

Munk-E is more active and trying to figure things out, he doesn't restrain himself to only one player. And he has scumreads.
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