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Keirathi
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On November 22 2012 08:09 Hapahauli wrote: Oh uh CaveJohnson is the topic du jour? I'll get to that. In other news, I'm pretty sure Kei is town at this point. He seems to care about the thread, though he can do that as either alignment. However, what convinces me he's town is a post he made towards iamperfection: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=382922¤tpage=23#458 At this point in the game, he was under fire from myself and Z-Boson for a "contradiction" in his attitude on marv. In this position, it's not a natural impulse for scum to go and antagonize another player. Scum here want to buddy people instead of picking other fights. Not only does it go against a general mentality of mafia, but it goes against the more "cooperative" mafia-meta that Kei has. Maybe your meta read is right after me playing one game as scum ever, but on the off chance that it's not, wouldn't it make sense for me as scum to be less willing to give out town reads, especially on someone I generally find pretty easy to read correctly as the game goes on? If I was scum and he was town, it would be in my best interest to keep him on the table as a potential scum candidate as long as possible, no? | ||
Z-BosoN
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On November 22 2012 10:40 sandroba wrote: Also I would like to propose we erradicate the use of term scummy. Next time you feel the urge of using it, instead use "this behavior is mafia oriented because as town you would do X, while as mafia you benefit from doing Y". I'm tired of reading that word blended into terrible cases that postulate something is "scummy" out of thin air. Are you referring to anything especific? Also, after a skim through some pages I realized you had a town read on GK, do to your skype chats and shit. Can you be more specific on what is it exactly that he said that made you think him town? From GK's filter, I'm leaning pretty null... | ||
Hapahauli
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On November 22 2012 10:31 sandroba wrote: I believe I gave a brief sumary to marv already some 20 pages ago. I've played and talked with him a lot and I'm pretty sure I can tell. We often discuss games toghether so I know what's up with his thought process. Hm ok, I'll look through some of syllo's stuff and see if I agree. Also, thoughts on my thoughts on Toad? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=382922¤tpage=52#1024 @ Kita As much as I enjoy flag-waving turkey's, running a joke campaign doesn't help town here. Do you actually believe Sandro/Syllo/etc aren't good candidates? | ||
Hapahauli
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On November 22 2012 10:43 Keirathi wrote: Maybe your meta read is right after me playing one game as scum ever, but on the off chance that it's not, wouldn't it make sense for me as scum to be less willing to give out town reads, especially on someone I generally find pretty easy to read correctly as the game goes on? If I was scum and he was town, it would be in my best interest to keep him on the table as a potential scum candidate as long as possible, no? Well it has nothing to do with your stance on iamperfection - it's your willingness to pick a fight with him when you were in a vulnerable position. That, to me, isn't a scum instinct. The argument certainly could be made that you're trying to deflect attention, or that it was "forced," or whatever, but I don't see it in that post. | ||
Keirathi
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On November 22 2012 10:47 Hapahauli wrote: Well it has nothing to do with your stance on iamperfection - it's your willingness to pick a fight with him when you were in a vulnerable position. That, to me, isn't a scum instinct. The argument certainly could be made that you're trying to deflect attention, or that it was "forced," or whatever, but I don't see it in that post. Very well. Carry on. | ||
sandroba
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On November 22 2012 10:43 Oatsmaster wrote: WIFOM? what is the difference between that and WIFOM? You are using the other abolished term. Tsc Tsc Tsc. | ||
sandroba
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On November 22 2012 10:44 Z-BosoN wrote: Are you referring to anything especific? Also, after a skim through some pages I realized you had a town read on GK, do to your skype chats and shit. Can you be more specific on what is it exactly that he said that made you think him town? From GK's filter, I'm leaning pretty null... Nothing in particular, just 90% of the "cases" that have been posted here. My leaning town read on GK has nothing to do with skype, it was a response when someone asked me if I agreed with dio on GK being scummy. | ||
kitaman27
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On November 22 2012 10:36 sandroba wrote: @kita sup. Any reason why you don't like me as a candidate? It's fair to assume that given your inactivity you being elected is a long shot like it or not. Isn't it time you read the thread a throw your support behind someone you think is town and has a shot? I haven't been inactive and acquiring 4-5 votes to take the lead is hardly a long shot. I've hardly been inactive, my posts are just less spread out. Don't infer that I haven't read the thread because that's untrue. I've been working on several posts the past hour or two. As for my opinion of you, I haven't reread your filter yet. From what I recall, your posts have been logical and reasonable, but that hardly means you must be town. On November 22 2012 10:44 Hapahauli wrote: @ Sandro Hm ok, I'll look through some of syllo's stuff and see if I agree. Also, thoughts on my thoughts on Toad? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=382922¤tpage=52#1024 @ Kita As much as I enjoy flag-waving turkey's, running a joke campaign doesn't help town here. Do you actually believe Sandro/Syllo/etc aren't good candidates? Hardly a joke campaign. Hours into the game I provided my initial thoughts, I have been at work all day, and now I have returned to elaborate on my reads after having some posts to go by. I shouldn't be punished based on my schedule. Why have I been eliminated after not having a chance to share my thoughts? I believe I'm a superior candidate to sandroba and syllo. If you remember correctly, sandroba's platform was simply a rehashed version of my proposal that players be selected by their towniness beyond all other factors. Still working on a post of reads. | ||
Z-BosoN
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What do you make of Acrofales? I was happily trodding along, and found this post by acrofales, which caught my attention. On November 21 2012 21:01 Acrofales wrote: If Marv is a 3P, will you get "scummy vibes" from him? In fact, I doubt your ability to pick up scummy vibes from Marv at all on D1, regardless of Marv's alignment. I agree with Toad that this feels like a very cheap justification for parking your vote with no real justification at all. So explain to us all: Why do you think Marv is town unless he gives off scummy vibes? Am I town unless I give off scummy vibes? How about CaveJohnson (add other random unknown smurf here if you prefer)? What exactly constitutes a scummy vibe? I know Marv is rather notorious for hiding his scummy vibes really well. What makes you so confident that your long experience of playing with him let you find these scummy vibes? He's prodding around alot but some of his interactions seem a bit pointless. Here he comes with the same argument that you and I were discussing earlier. Then, he's overly agressive on Kei about something that supposedly nobody knows (the "value" number thing) On November 22 2012 05:42 Acrofales wrote: How the hell do you have any idea what your HIDDEN success modifier is? What CaveJohnson's post made me think of was 3rd party. I thought syllo was referring to the fact that a 3rd party didn't want to come along on the mission was "townie", because he at least cares enough about the town to warn them off. Shouting at kei and shit, but I don't get it. I also don't get where he got that Kei demonstrates any knowledge whatsoever on the success modifier. What do you make of him? | ||
sandroba
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On November 22 2012 10:44 Hapahauli wrote: @ Sandro Hm ok, I'll look through some of syllo's stuff and see if I agree. Also, thoughts on my thoughts on Toad? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=382922¤tpage=52#1024 @ Kita As much as I enjoy flag-waving turkey's, running a joke campaign doesn't help town here. Do you actually believe Sandro/Syllo/etc aren't good candidates? I've read them and you fall in the same cathegory of many other cases here. A townie's goal is also looking as townie as possible to get elected/participating in a mission. | ||
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Z-BosoN
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On November 21 2012 21:42 kitaman27 wrote: There are quite a few people who claim to be voting for sandroba on the basis that they claim to be able to easily differentiate his scum play from his town play. The only reason I see this as the case is that he commonly gets lazy and stops caring or posting as mafia. However, that's simply due to personal choice. How many people here other than maybe syllo are confidant they can identify a scum sandro when he remains active? Having played with him in pypi (an election game), I know he is quite capable of fooling most people when there is something he wants. I'm quite puzzled by the fact that marv hasn't run for election. As being one of the most active players recently, I think he would be fairly confident at being able to gain support for himself. As town, I know I want to be the leader because that is the only way to directly increase our chances of success. marv however appears to want to avoid the spotlight and participate in an advising role or at least gauge the support he has. Could you explain this decision? Work time. I'll try to start identifying some town players when I get back if I'm confident enough. Well, if Syllogism is confident in that regard, and other members are also in the case sand gets lazy, doesn't he fit this bill best? I'm making hard assumptions because honestly I don't know any of the top contenders' play, but it seems to me that out of you three he's the most catchable, nay? | ||
Hapahauli
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No strong feelings on Acro. Sure he's aggressive, but I don't know enough about his general tendencies towards aggression to call it. Without a specific meta read, aggression is something that can be done by town or scum @ Sandroba I think you're missing my point on Toad. My contention isn't that he's "trying to appear townie" - that's no doubt a pretty stupid reason to suspect someone. My issue is that his campaign focuses on things like "decisiveness" and "activity," which are fairly bad reasons to think someone is a good party leader, let alone sufficient reasons to think someone is town. @ Kita Well it's hard to take you seriously when you accuse your competitors of being "vegetarians." What makes you a superior candidate over Syllo and Sandrob? Give us the cliffs. | ||
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Z-BosoN
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On November 22 2012 11:10 Hapahauli wrote: @ Z-Bo No strong feelings on Acro. Sure he's aggressive, but I don't know enough about his general tendencies towards aggression to call it. Without a specific meta read, aggression is something that can be done by town or scum @ Sandroba I think you're missing my point on Toad. My contention isn't that he's "trying to appear townie" - that's no doubt a pretty stupid reason to suspect someone. My issue is that his campaign focuses on things like "decisiveness" and "activity," which are fairly bad reasons to think someone is a good party leader, let alone sufficient reasons to think someone is town. @ Kita Well it's hard to take you seriously when you accuse your competitors of being "vegetarians." What makes you a superior candidate over Syllo and Sandrob? Give us the cliffs. Definitely, but his kind seems to me like pointless agression. Like, what are the town motivations for the post I'm referring to above? It doesn't make any sense to me and I really don't get it. | ||
Z-BosoN
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On November 22 2012 11:01 sandroba wrote: I've read them and you fall in the same cathegory of many other cases here. A townie's goal is also looking as townie as possible to get elected/participating in a mission. And do you have any other town reads right now? | ||
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