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On November 04 2012 22:20 risk.nuke wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2012 21:50 Promethelax wrote:On November 04 2012 21:42 risk.nuke wrote:Lets take a step back at day 1 before idiocy occurred. Prplhz Prplhz was almost set to be lynched and rightfully so. The pressure gets to much for him and he replaces out. Also a scumtrait any day of the weak. PromethelaxPromethelax haven't done nearly as much as he is trying to take credit for. And while he claims to have pushed candidates. He's not pushed anyone with a chance of actually dying which to me is the same as nothing. On November 03 2012 02:11 Promethelax wrote:
Muso: care to give us any history of your Mafia play ever or should I assume you are another 4f smurf(which is the assumption I am playing under)?
I think Muso is a bad lynch today but probably an excellent Vig shot. I hope the vig(s) are taking him into consideration. The reason I think he is a bad lynch is that he is too easy to jump on and Scum have a good way to hide their votes by sheeping all of town. I want a lynch that has some controversy so that everyone actually has to take a stand, without that we won't gain anything from d1. I want a case from every player in the game on someone before the lynch goes through.
Townies: get your opinions out there, with that the scum will not be able to hide in the shadows.
IN this vein I think that Matt is scum, he is playing in a way which obscures the goals of town and allows confusion into the thread. He is dropping his reads without iving any explanation and he is trying to get us to lynch Newbies for newbie mistakes. Scum.
## Vote: Matt The post I dislike the most. Situation: Muso is going to die, not lynching him would be amazing idiocy. In this post Prom tries to make himself look townie by being opposed to a townie-lynch (that will happen anyway). However that doesn't make any sense because the townie thing to do is to kill muso, So what prom is doing is superdumb or Scum trying to gain towncred by being opposed to a townie lynch that will happen anyway. Additionally he claims Mattchew is scum with the worst claimed read of the century. There is no way on heaven or earth I can believe that is his legit read.
I don't buy his roleblock claim. I don't think scum would have roleblocked him and I don't Mattchew would use his 1-shot roleblock. I'm pretty sure we can't have another roleblocker because if I remember correctly another roleblock point would upgrade the 1-shot roleblocker to regular roleblocker. It's a very convenient claim that doesn't make sense. Alas I think he's lying his pants of. ##vote: Promethelax You were in LC too, remember how bad it was sitting there with one lynch candidate getting nowhere and having no one post reads or even participate? Yeah, me too. I wanted to make sure there was some discussion as I didn't get enough of a scum read off of Muso to be okay blindly lynching him. If I was scum I would have sheeped onto the easy lynch. Not fight it and push other candidates, even consolidating on another candidate to try to push the lynch to a guy who was way scummier than Muso. I was aware that whatever Mus flipped it could be used to push me and the next lynch if he is red I was defending him and trying to keep one of/my scumbuddy from being lynched. If he was green I was trying to gain town cred. I'd have gone for the easy lynch. You can vote me but when I flip green you'll have to notice that I was one of the most townie players in the game. What have I claimed to be doing that isn't true? Please, show me where I have mislead anyone into thinking I have done more than I have. You can't compare Muso with a week of confirmed mafia to lynch. But thanks for the comparison. Now you've admitted knowing killing Muso was the right thing to do. @DP: Bending my words is not wise with me, last warning you'll get. He didn't have a read I disagreed with. He had a godawful read that didn't make sense. I don't care if you were to dumb to see why Mattchew had acted distinctly townie. He wasn't your best scumread and you weren't calling him scum for incredibly poor reasons. If we had a dt check on prplhz you wouldn't just say. Oh well, new guy lets disregard it.
His lynch felt the same way there was a role based reason so vote him (his claim) and everyone was on board. It was too easy, there was no counter wagon even though the guy counter claiming him was also fake claiming. That felt pretty fishy to me and worth trying to create an actual dichotomy in the voting.
Since you seem to think that I am as dumb as a couple of rocks trying to fuck could you maybe give me some hints as to why Matt was 'obviously' townie. It wasn't obvious to me (though I think I'm 100% for reading Matt wrong in games with him, in MTG I thought he was town and in LC I was calling him out as scum; same thing here).
Acro: why do you ignore everything directed from me to you? If you are town you lose out on making one of your scum reads have to be more involved in the thread. Just ignoring me gives me a good reason to get mad and stop trying to play and start getting emotional. If you are town there is nothing to lose from answering my questions instead of ignoring them. If I am town or if I am mafia a town you would do better for talking to me.
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Risk, Having your other, lesser, scum reads in the thread provides townies with something which they can hold you to. If you are town this doesn't affect you and if you are mafia it hinders you. Net gain for town. This isn't about what you will gain from it, it is about what town will gain.
Your case is shoddy though, it is based on
1) prp asking for a replacement
2) one post of mine which was in a huge pile which as a whole stated why I was opposed to one lynch and preferred another
and
3) twisting my words and actions.
You make muso being lynched a foregone conclusion and yet there was a part of the day where he had 6 votes, I had 3 and Draz had 3. That was not a 100% situation and during that time I tried to push people off of muso and onto Draz.
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Okay my girl is getting mad at me for not being in bed.
Night/morning all.
Talk to you when I wake up.
The newbies in XXX are producing more content than we are. Hopeless this is looking at you/
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He came out strong pushing reads. His goal was to generate discussion and that was what he accomplished. Distinct town behavior. Later he handled the Muso situation well. Granted this isn't enough to call him confirmed townie but there were no doubt he played like a townie.
On November 04 2012 22:30 Promethelax wrote:
Risk, Having your other, lesser, scum reads in the thread provides townies with something which they can hold you to. If you are town this doesn't affect you and if you are mafia it hinders you. Net gain for town. This isn't about what you will gain from it, it is about what town will gain.
Your case is shoddy though, it is based on
1) prp asking for a replacement
2) one post of mine which was in a huge pile which as a whole stated why I was opposed to one lynch and preferred another
and
3) twisting my words and actions.
You make muso being lynched a foregone conclusion and yet there was a part of the day where he had 6 votes, I had 3 and Draz had 3. That was not a 100% situation and during that time I tried to push people off of muso and onto Draz.
I'm pushing strongly for my strongest scumread. Saying you will hold me for the other reads are just bloody silly if I'm not pushing to get them lynched. Just empty words easy for scum to fake. If I share my townreads it's just like giving the mafia a list of people to pick of.
- As for your three points. Prplhz replacements is just an additional point and not in the slightest the maincase against prplhz. Nice try to dismiss it as such though...
- I don't see how even your description in your second point to why my case is shoddy is shoddy.
- Thirdly, bring up where I have twisted your words or actions.
You make muso being lynched a foregone conclusion and yet there was a part of the day where he had 6 votes, I had 3 and Draz had 3. That was not a 100% situation and during that time I tried to push people off of muso and onto Draz. Thank you for earlier confessing that you believed Muso was scum. Believed Muso should be killed. Were trying to convince people not to lynch him. You don't have a train of thoughts to save your life.
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On November 04 2012 22:05 Promethelax wrote:
ebwop: follow up. DP, why are you buddying me this hard? You are the only one with a stated town read of me. We have played together before, you know me, but so do a lot of these other guys and some of the people coming after me must be town (I can't imagine a full mafia team going after me as a group, I'm just not worth it).
How is it that you have such a town read on me when literally no one else in this game does (or has stated it).
I am not buddying you. I know your town meta. And this game you are coming off strongly town to me. I am frankly astounded others can't/choose not to see it. I don;t give a fuck what you think of me to be honest. I don't want to mislynch. I think we will mislynch an active townie if we lynch you so i want to stop that.
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On November 04 2012 22:25 Promethelax wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2012 22:20 risk.nuke wrote:On November 04 2012 21:50 Promethelax wrote:On November 04 2012 21:42 risk.nuke wrote:Lets take a step back at day 1 before idiocy occurred. Prplhz Prplhz was almost set to be lynched and rightfully so. The pressure gets to much for him and he replaces out. Also a scumtrait any day of the weak. PromethelaxPromethelax haven't done nearly as much as he is trying to take credit for. And while he claims to have pushed candidates. He's not pushed anyone with a chance of actually dying which to me is the same as nothing. On November 03 2012 02:11 Promethelax wrote:
Muso: care to give us any history of your Mafia play ever or should I assume you are another 4f smurf(which is the assumption I am playing under)?
I think Muso is a bad lynch today but probably an excellent Vig shot. I hope the vig(s) are taking him into consideration. The reason I think he is a bad lynch is that he is too easy to jump on and Scum have a good way to hide their votes by sheeping all of town. I want a lynch that has some controversy so that everyone actually has to take a stand, without that we won't gain anything from d1. I want a case from every player in the game on someone before the lynch goes through.
Townies: get your opinions out there, with that the scum will not be able to hide in the shadows.
IN this vein I think that Matt is scum, he is playing in a way which obscures the goals of town and allows confusion into the thread. He is dropping his reads without iving any explanation and he is trying to get us to lynch Newbies for newbie mistakes. Scum.
## Vote: Matt The post I dislike the most. Situation: Muso is going to die, not lynching him would be amazing idiocy. In this post Prom tries to make himself look townie by being opposed to a townie-lynch (that will happen anyway). However that doesn't make any sense because the townie thing to do is to kill muso, So what prom is doing is superdumb or Scum trying to gain towncred by being opposed to a townie lynch that will happen anyway. Additionally he claims Mattchew is scum with the worst claimed read of the century. There is no way on heaven or earth I can believe that is his legit read.
I don't buy his roleblock claim. I don't think scum would have roleblocked him and I don't Mattchew would use his 1-shot roleblock. I'm pretty sure we can't have another roleblocker because if I remember correctly another roleblock point would upgrade the 1-shot roleblocker to regular roleblocker. It's a very convenient claim that doesn't make sense. Alas I think he's lying his pants of. ##vote: Promethelax You were in LC too, remember how bad it was sitting there with one lynch candidate getting nowhere and having no one post reads or even participate? Yeah, me too. I wanted to make sure there was some discussion as I didn't get enough of a scum read off of Muso to be okay blindly lynching him. If I was scum I would have sheeped onto the easy lynch. Not fight it and push other candidates, even consolidating on another candidate to try to push the lynch to a guy who was way scummier than Muso. I was aware that whatever Mus flipped it could be used to push me and the next lynch if he is red I was defending him and trying to keep one of/my scumbuddy from being lynched. If he was green I was trying to gain town cred. I'd have gone for the easy lynch. You can vote me but when I flip green you'll have to notice that I was one of the most townie players in the game. What have I claimed to be doing that isn't true? Please, show me where I have mislead anyone into thinking I have done more than I have. You can't compare Muso with a week of confirmed mafia to lynch. But thanks for the comparison. Now you've admitted knowing killing Muso was the right thing to do. @DP: Bending my words is not wise with me, last warning you'll get. He didn't have a read I disagreed with. He had a godawful read that didn't make sense. I don't care if you were to dumb to see why Mattchew had acted distinctly townie. He wasn't your best scumread and you weren't calling him scum for incredibly poor reasons. If we had a dt check on prplhz you wouldn't just say. Oh well, new guy lets disregard it. His lynch felt the same way there was a role based reason so vote him (his claim) and everyone was on board. It was too easy, there was no counter wagon even though the guy counter claiming him was also fake claiming. That felt pretty fishy to me and worth trying to create an actual dichotomy in the voting. Since you seem to think that I am as dumb as a couple of rocks trying to fuck could you maybe give me some hints as to why Matt was 'obviously' townie. It wasn't obvious to me (though I think I'm 100% for reading Matt wrong in games with him, in MTG I thought he was town and in LC I was calling him out as scum; same thing here). Acro: why do you ignore everything directed from me to you? If you are town you lose out on making one of your scum reads have to be more involved in the thread. Just ignoring me gives me a good reason to get mad and stop trying to play and start getting emotional. If you are town there is nothing to lose from answering my questions instead of ignoring them. If I am town or if I am mafia a town you would do better for talking to me.
I'm not sure what questions you mean. I have no extra info about the number of scum.
Other than that, all your questions have already been answered in the various posts I made about you. I am fully willing to recognize that currently my judgement is rather clouded with regards to you: I think you're scum and am able to come up with a good scum reason for everything you have said an done. I looked over your meta, but it's pretty inconclusive. You're rather outspoken regardless of alignment.
That's the reason I am not engaging you: it'll shit up the thread (see any game in which Bugs and VE play together) and I prefer other townies chip in with their opinions of you. I feel my case is strong.
If you want my other scumreads? Kush is still up there, although Matt made a good point. DarthPunk is slowly on the rise. That's about all that has registered as "changed" since my list during the night.
The roleblocks are inconclusive: they can only give positive confirmation that someone is scum if the scum kill doesn't happen (and then there's still the possibility of the scum actually forgetting to kill, or a medic protect stopping the kill). In the case of the scumkill happening, it could still be performed by the other member(s) of the team. There's no way of knowing who is the designated killer.
Also, I think it is extremely unlikely Zealos was shot by a vig, so I am tentatively going with the SK theory. That means there are at least 3 bad guys, and possibly 4. We are currently 10 players, so we're possibly at mylo already.
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On November 04 2012 22:20 risk.nuke wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2012 21:50 Promethelax wrote:On November 04 2012 21:42 risk.nuke wrote:Lets take a step back at day 1 before idiocy occurred. Prplhz Prplhz was almost set to be lynched and rightfully so. The pressure gets to much for him and he replaces out. Also a scumtrait any day of the weak. PromethelaxPromethelax haven't done nearly as much as he is trying to take credit for. And while he claims to have pushed candidates. He's not pushed anyone with a chance of actually dying which to me is the same as nothing. On November 03 2012 02:11 Promethelax wrote:
Muso: care to give us any history of your Mafia play ever or should I assume you are another 4f smurf(which is the assumption I am playing under)?
I think Muso is a bad lynch today but probably an excellent Vig shot. I hope the vig(s) are taking him into consideration. The reason I think he is a bad lynch is that he is too easy to jump on and Scum have a good way to hide their votes by sheeping all of town. I want a lynch that has some controversy so that everyone actually has to take a stand, without that we won't gain anything from d1. I want a case from every player in the game on someone before the lynch goes through.
Townies: get your opinions out there, with that the scum will not be able to hide in the shadows.
IN this vein I think that Matt is scum, he is playing in a way which obscures the goals of town and allows confusion into the thread. He is dropping his reads without iving any explanation and he is trying to get us to lynch Newbies for newbie mistakes. Scum.
## Vote: Matt The post I dislike the most. Situation: Muso is going to die, not lynching him would be amazing idiocy. In this post Prom tries to make himself look townie by being opposed to a townie-lynch (that will happen anyway). However that doesn't make any sense because the townie thing to do is to kill muso, So what prom is doing is superdumb or Scum trying to gain towncred by being opposed to a townie lynch that will happen anyway. Additionally he claims Mattchew is scum with the worst claimed read of the century. There is no way on heaven or earth I can believe that is his legit read.
I don't buy his roleblock claim. I don't think scum would have roleblocked him and I don't Mattchew would use his 1-shot roleblock. I'm pretty sure we can't have another roleblocker because if I remember correctly another roleblock point would upgrade the 1-shot roleblocker to regular roleblocker. It's a very convenient claim that doesn't make sense. Alas I think he's lying his pants of. ##vote: Promethelax You were in LC too, remember how bad it was sitting there with one lynch candidate getting nowhere and having no one post reads or even participate? Yeah, me too. I wanted to make sure there was some discussion as I didn't get enough of a scum read off of Muso to be okay blindly lynching him. If I was scum I would have sheeped onto the easy lynch. Not fight it and push other candidates, even consolidating on another candidate to try to push the lynch to a guy who was way scummier than Muso. I was aware that whatever Mus flipped it could be used to push me and the next lynch if he is red I was defending him and trying to keep one of/my scumbuddy from being lynched. If he was green I was trying to gain town cred. I'd have gone for the easy lynch. You can vote me but when I flip green you'll have to notice that I was one of the most townie players in the game. What have I claimed to be doing that isn't true? Please, show me where I have mislead anyone into thinking I have done more than I have. You can't compare Muso with a week of confirmed mafia to lynch. But thanks for the comparison. Now you've admitted knowing killing Muso was the right thing to do. @DP: Bending my words is not wise with me, last warning you'll get. He didn't have a read I disagreed with. He had a godawful read that didn't make sense. I don't care if you were to dumb to see why Mattchew had acted distinctly townie. He wasn't your best scumread and you weren't calling him scum for incredibly poor reasons. If we had a dt check on prplhz you wouldn't just say. Oh well, new guy lets disregard it.
I am not bending your words. Get off your damn high horse. His 'god awful read that didn't make sense' is something you disagreed with. Reads are subjective. They are not objective. If they were they would be called mod confirmed alignments.
Having a read that you cannot fathom is not necessarily alignment indicative. And just because you feel (correctly or incorrectly) that your read on matt was so much more valid than others does not mean those with a conflicting view are scum.
If you think Prom is scum. There will be other things. And if there are I will view them on their merits. But a weird roleblock claim and a scum read on matt does not convince me.
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On November 04 2012 22:10 drazak wrote:
I don't like DP, he has a bunch of fluffy ass shit in his filter, I want to hear more from hope, he's been really lurky. probably my top two scum reads right now.
So you are calling me out for the same thing I called you out for. How original.
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Anyway. I am done with this for now. It's 1 am and I stayed up till an ungodly hour writing that night post. see ya all later.
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On November 04 2012 23:00 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2012 22:20 risk.nuke wrote:On November 04 2012 21:50 Promethelax wrote:On November 04 2012 21:42 risk.nuke wrote:Lets take a step back at day 1 before idiocy occurred. Prplhz Prplhz was almost set to be lynched and rightfully so. The pressure gets to much for him and he replaces out. Also a scumtrait any day of the weak. PromethelaxPromethelax haven't done nearly as much as he is trying to take credit for. And while he claims to have pushed candidates. He's not pushed anyone with a chance of actually dying which to me is the same as nothing. On November 03 2012 02:11 Promethelax wrote:
Muso: care to give us any history of your Mafia play ever or should I assume you are another 4f smurf(which is the assumption I am playing under)?
I think Muso is a bad lynch today but probably an excellent Vig shot. I hope the vig(s) are taking him into consideration. The reason I think he is a bad lynch is that he is too easy to jump on and Scum have a good way to hide their votes by sheeping all of town. I want a lynch that has some controversy so that everyone actually has to take a stand, without that we won't gain anything from d1. I want a case from every player in the game on someone before the lynch goes through.
Townies: get your opinions out there, with that the scum will not be able to hide in the shadows.
IN this vein I think that Matt is scum, he is playing in a way which obscures the goals of town and allows confusion into the thread. He is dropping his reads without iving any explanation and he is trying to get us to lynch Newbies for newbie mistakes. Scum.
## Vote: Matt The post I dislike the most. Situation: Muso is going to die, not lynching him would be amazing idiocy. In this post Prom tries to make himself look townie by being opposed to a townie-lynch (that will happen anyway). However that doesn't make any sense because the townie thing to do is to kill muso, So what prom is doing is superdumb or Scum trying to gain towncred by being opposed to a townie lynch that will happen anyway. Additionally he claims Mattchew is scum with the worst claimed read of the century. There is no way on heaven or earth I can believe that is his legit read.
I don't buy his roleblock claim. I don't think scum would have roleblocked him and I don't Mattchew would use his 1-shot roleblock. I'm pretty sure we can't have another roleblocker because if I remember correctly another roleblock point would upgrade the 1-shot roleblocker to regular roleblocker. It's a very convenient claim that doesn't make sense. Alas I think he's lying his pants of. ##vote: Promethelax You were in LC too, remember how bad it was sitting there with one lynch candidate getting nowhere and having no one post reads or even participate? Yeah, me too. I wanted to make sure there was some discussion as I didn't get enough of a scum read off of Muso to be okay blindly lynching him. If I was scum I would have sheeped onto the easy lynch. Not fight it and push other candidates, even consolidating on another candidate to try to push the lynch to a guy who was way scummier than Muso. I was aware that whatever Mus flipped it could be used to push me and the next lynch if he is red I was defending him and trying to keep one of/my scumbuddy from being lynched. If he was green I was trying to gain town cred. I'd have gone for the easy lynch. You can vote me but when I flip green you'll have to notice that I was one of the most townie players in the game. What have I claimed to be doing that isn't true? Please, show me where I have mislead anyone into thinking I have done more than I have. You can't compare Muso with a week of confirmed mafia to lynch. But thanks for the comparison. Now you've admitted knowing killing Muso was the right thing to do. @DP: Bending my words is not wise with me, last warning you'll get. He didn't have a read I disagreed with. He had a godawful read that didn't make sense. I don't care if you were to dumb to see why Mattchew had acted distinctly townie. He wasn't your best scumread and you weren't calling him scum for incredibly poor reasons. If we had a dt check on prplhz you wouldn't just say. Oh well, new guy lets disregard it. I am not bending your words. Get off your damn high horse. His 'god awful read that didn't make sense' is something you disagreed with. Reads are subjective. They are not objective. If they were they would be called mod confirmed alignments. Having a read that you cannot fathom is not necessarily alignment indicative. And just because you feel (correctly or incorrectly) that your read on matt was so much more valid than others does not mean those with a conflicting view are scum. If you think Prom is scum. There will be other things. And if there are I will view them on their merits. But a weird roleblock claim and a scum read on matt does not convince me.
I'm not on a high horse but I can see how you would think that having your own head showed down in the sand. When people are trying to accomplish anti-town behavior you don't assume they are idiots. Are you serious? You say you will judge people on their merits at the same time you conveniently disregard and diminish them.
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On November 03 2012 06:34 thrawn2112 wrote:
anybody wanna lynch release? several of his posts give the impression that he feels guilty
thrawn why did you say this right before lynch, esp when you said muso had the best chance of flipping red?
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On November 04 2012 02:47 DarthPunk wrote:I have a scum read on drazak. He has posted mainly one liners commenting on the by play of proceedings rather than bring any original thought or information to the thread. He has also been consistently wishy-washy in his posting. Show nested quote +On November 02 2012 23:36 drazak wrote:
Yeah, I'm getting a bit fed up with Kush asking for everyone to claim everything, that smells a little scummy to me. Kind of not sure if it's just kush being stupid and trolling like usual (yes, I know, I'm omgusing, don't care) or if he's actually got a larger scheme here.
Kush has admited to me a bunch of times that he doesn't thinks before he posts, so I dunno, but he keeps being stupid I think we can chalk it up to stupidity/trolling, if he stops, it was probably a scheme.
I'm not sure what to think about prom, the case against him is ok, but maybe prplhz was distracted and/or confused. Like I was going to go through this post and bold the wishy-washy bits but then I may as well have bolded the entire post. Just read that and find one solid statement. Because I sure as hell can't. But note the part I have bolded and then read drazak's subsequent series of posts which stuck out to me quite starkly. He goes from wishy washy on kush. Saying he could be scummy. Then he posts his role name somewhat aggressively. Show nested quote +On November 03 2012 05:53 drazak wrote:
Kush, do you even read my posts? Also, trying to write a long post in another window, hold on a bit. I'm a VT, Carrot, btw. After which kush thinks he is town based on his theory with the flavor immediatly after kush unvotes him and declares him to be town. Drazak posts his 'reads' Show nested quote +On November 03 2012 06:07 drazak wrote:Release actually tried to scumhunt, I'm seeing town on him, even though he still wants to vote for me. I don't think he's done anything to cause confusion, and I think he really wants to find a mafia right now, which is what I'm trying to do. Mattchew is also looking town, although I'd like him to be a bit more active, I don't think he'd say that he likes his gut instincts D1 if he didn't believe in them and have somewhat decent evidence, less town than release but definitely a town read. Hope has about the right amount of defensiveness for a townie, he's gone to lurk mode around lynch time which makes me a little nervous, everyone else seems to be here and willing to talk except him. Not sure what he's up to but when he starts posting again I hope he has a good explaination, I'm neutral on him right now. Thrawn has been trying his damnedest to scumhunt for a D1 hunt, not sure what he thinks he might actually accomplish, but he's asking questions like I should be (but I don't because I suck  ) and trying to make things happen. I find him distinctly town at the moment. risk.nuke has not a lot to go on in his filter, and every single one of his comments is 1 line and most of them are fluffy. I think this is even worse than my posts have been. I find him 2nd scummiest after muso. Kush is just doing his fucking trolly ass shit. Town meta for him 100% Zealos doesn't vote anyone and isn't happy with Acro or Muso, not sure what to think here, he wants to vote two of my town reads, not sure I like this, but might just not be following that closely. First of all I hate lists such as these. They allow scum to seem to participate without actually doing anything. A few sentences on several players comprise drazak's 'reads' HOWEVER. Note the read on kush. He has gone from scummy and wishy-washy to 100% town meta. IMMEDIATELY after kush declares a town read on drazak. It seems as if Drazaks opinion of someones scumminess is linked to their opinion on draz. Now THAT is scummy to me. Combined with all the wishy-washy posting and fluff one liners. I would certainly like to lynch drazak.
Snipped out the drazak portion.
While I'm by no means certain of it (as I am rarely certain of anything), I'm back to thinking there's a strong chance that drazak will flip scum. I realized while considering this case that too often I immediately give people the benefit of the doubt. That being said, here's my analysis. Firstly, I don't see wishy-washiness as a very strong scum tell. This is because I am probably the wishy-washiest player who has ever played on TL and I've only rolled scum once. I understand that it is a scum tell for other people, but I just can't see it that way. That being said, the fact that drazak's read on kush seemed to change as a direct result of kush's read on drazak changing certainly feels scummy. I didn't feel a particular change in kush's play during that time. In addition, this recent post from him makes me feel like he thinks kush is scummy again, despite the fact that he said kush was 100% playing to his town meta:On November 04 2012 22:03 drazak wrote:
so... we've got an sk for sure? No way that was a vig shot or something?
Hey kush, why did you bluehunt so hard, I'm not cool with that.
Finally, what DP said about the "list of reads" posts are what made me realize what makes me so wishy-washy. On that point I was reading drazak's posts as a townie trying to avoid a mislynch without equally considering that it was scum trying to avoid a legitimate lynch. Given that everything I've previously mentioned about drazak's play still holds true imo, he's my top scumread at the moment.
@Drazak
What made you switch from "kush looks kinda scummy" to "kush is playing 100% to his town meta"? And do you now think kush is playing scummy again?
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Kush typically trolls as town, but reading it again his trolling had an awful awful lot of blue hunting, I'm not calling him scum yet, I just asked him a question regarding his bluehunting, if he keeps giving troll posts I think he's probably town, if he gets really defensive, I think he might be scum, just my thoughts though.
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You said hope was your second scumread, are there any reasons other than lurking? I feel that he's contributed more than me, though I haven't given him much thought so far.
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My activity is bad and I should feel bad. Reading Prom, Acro and risk.nuke's filters first, as they're being angry with one another.
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acro is really mason.
prome is a power role.
Those are my recent conclusions.
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I am a Bugs Bunny the one shot cop and last night I got a green check on kushm4sta.
+ Show Spoiler [breadcrumb] +On November 04 2012 01:35 thrawn2112 wrote:First, my suspicions of kush are much stronger then they were in D1. Scumslip? Show nested quote +On November 02 2012 20:02 kushm4sta wrote:
Acro Wtf... Why is town fake claiming...
So vts look at your role name. Jessica rabbit does not fit the theme. Kid watching tv kind of does though.
##unvote
##vote acro
He says acro is town and then turns around and votes for him and the only reasoning kush seemed to be using was his flavor theory. Of course like I said earlier... sorta hard to tell if scum kush or town kush would be more likely to that... but it sticks out because it was that ONLY reasoning kush had for wanting Acro lynched. Then there was all the possible blue hunting attempts. Show nested quote +On November 02 2012 20:21 kushm4sta wrote:
does any vt have a character name like Jessica rabbit? if not I think acro is either lying about lyning and is mason, or is scum. Course, it’s not explicit blue hunting, but it’s asking for a vt claim when having one really won’t be that useful, and if someone decided to answer they’d be giving scum more information than necessary. One more thing about kush this game is what I think to be a big change in his tone. Previous town kush meta is fairly emotional with occasional joking throughout all of his posts, and I haven’t been seeing that this game.
First word of the post is "first" and that = 1. Then take first letter of each sentence after that and you get "SHOTCOP"
1-shot cop
I'm claiming because my role is useless now. For now I am trusting this check, if there is a framer, imo there were much better targets to frame. For example and regardless of alignment, prom and drazak. If kush is a godfather then maybe that information will somehow hint at itself later on after more flips. But for now, I'm going to be looking into non-kush players.
More posts incoming but not for a few hours; I'm having to multitask between this being both halloween and my birthday weekend so I've got lots of stuff going on.
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Just to keep people busy: I went over Zealos' filter, but cannot find a breadcrumb that indicates who he targeted. Anybody else had a go at it? I am pretty damned awful at finding crumbs.
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Oh, that's great news. I was just looking into Kush closer, but with this info I am inclined to skip him over and look closer into DP.
Yes, that means I believe Thrawn.
I still think it very likely we have an SK, so here are the options:
TTT = 2 Goons + Roleblocker, Serial Killer (Investigation Immune OR 1-Shot Bulletproof)
T = Goon + Roleblocker + Godfather, Serial Killer (Investigation Immune OR 1-Shot Bulletproof)
That means we are at mylo.
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Oh, and @Kush: with your newfound status as greenchecked. How about you stop dicking around and being completely wrong and start reading filters and checking people's filters. I am NOT a mason.
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EPT
