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On August 24 2012 00:18 grush57 wrote:
Oh yeah, I made you're role BC I'm sorry, if I knew you only got 1 ability I would of gave you a cute puppy flamethrower leaserbeam eyeball!
It is not like I did not figure you picked his role. Shame on you.
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On August 24 2012 00:27 Kurumi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 00:18 grush57 wrote:
Oh yeah, I made you're role BC I'm sorry, if I knew you only got 1 ability I would of gave you a cute puppy flamethrower leaserbeam eyeball! It is not like I did not figure you picked his role. Shame on you.
Bro, if you got a puppy you gotta flavor.
I'm like reading my pm.
Who is growlithe I only know charazard.
google growlithe.
I see puppy.
HMMMMMMMM
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what now, wiggles? still believe one of the wagons was started by scum?
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On August 24 2012 00:32 HiroPro wrote:
what now, wiggles? still believe one of the wagons was started by scum?
We gotta lynch wiggles, bc flipped town and I would think only a scum would shoot bc.
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I don't understand your logic.
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On August 24 2012 00:40 HiroPro wrote:
I don't understand your logic.
Me neither. I am pretty sure this was Town KP.
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i still think dirk is a good lynch. not only did toad soft defend him, the main proponent of his lynch is now dead.
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On August 24 2012 00:43 Kurumi wrote:k Me neither. I am pretty sure this was Town KP.
Though noone claimed the shot... Hmm.
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On August 24 2012 00:43 Kurumi wrote:Me neither. I am pretty sure this was Town KP.
That's not the thing. I doubt it's town kp. I want to know why BC flipping town makes him certain that Wiggles is scum.
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If this was a Mafia shot:
1. It kills BC who wants to lynch Wiggles or dirk.
2. What else does it do? makes the lynch on Mattchew stronger. If Mattchew was mafia, they wouldn't feel threatened with BC voting someone other than Mattchew. Leads me to believe Mattchew is town IF THIS WAS A SCUM VIG.
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my homeboy BC is dead? wtf
also we should be lynching dirkzor today
i think i'll do a post of why
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On August 24 2012 00:55 heist wrote:
If this was a Mafia shot:
1. It kills BC who wants to lynch Wiggles or dirk.
2. What else does it do? makes the lynch on Mattchew stronger. If Mattchew was mafia, they wouldn't feel threatened with BC voting someone other than Mattchew. Leads me to believe Mattchew is town IF THIS WAS A SCUM VIG.
This contributes almost as much as the rest of your filter. Nothing. It casts doubts without analysis, without information, and makes association based on assumptions.
Try doing something useful for a change.
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On August 24 2012 00:46 heist wrote:
i still think dirk is a good lynch. not only did toad soft defend him, the main proponent of his lynch is now dead.
If you use that logic you should also want to kill zephirdd since toad treated us the same.
He also refrained from saying anything about allinson who flipped town.
+ Show Spoiler [for reference] +On August 22 2012 03:13 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2012 03:06 HiroPro wrote:
Hi toad. Why is your vote on someone who's not going to be lynched today? Why have you not talked about any of the actual cases that have been brought up recently? Because I'm still undecided so far. I'm just don't really like lynching people I never played with before d1 in general so I don't talk about imallinson at all because I want to have more time to get a proper read on him because I don't know what's "normal" for him and what's not. I'm sure you'll find my opinion on every other guy that has been mentioned so far as I actually played with most of the people in this game before. Call a name and I'll copy & paste the quotes but I'm sure you could just search for it yourself. Am I posting too much so that I'm like gonzaw or are you not reading my posts? On August 22 2012 03:25 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2012 03:19 HiroPro wrote:On August 22 2012 03:13 Toadesstern wrote:On August 22 2012 03:06 HiroPro wrote:
Hi toad. Why is your vote on someone who's not going to be lynched today? Why have you not talked about any of the actual cases that have been brought up recently? Because I'm still undecided so far. I'm just don't really like lynching people I never played with before d1 in general so I don't talk about imallinson at all because I want to have more time to get a proper read on him because I don't know what's "normal" for him and what's not. I'm sure you'll find my opinion on every other guy that has been mentioned so far as I actually played with most of the people in this game before. Call a name and I'll copy & paste the quotes but I'm sure you could just search for it yourself. Am I posting too much so that I'm like gonzaw or are you not reading my posts? You haven't said anything about Dirkzor either. I know you've played with Zeph before, VE has brought a case. I guess I just ninja'ed you. Not much of an opinion on Dirkzor right now. He's one of the guys I'd rather have a look at day-2 or day-3. Same goes for Zeph. Last game I wanted to lynch him because I found a couple of posts that read like scumslips to me and he ended up flipping mafia. So pretty much the same as Dirkzor: Rather leave him alive and check out d2 or d3. If he's mafia he'll slip soon enough. I'm really in favor of lynching vets d1 in general. That's why you'll mostly find me comment on those people because I feel more comfortable judging them even with fewer amounts of posts.
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Oh Toad wanted Dirk to survive for couple of days, wonder if he has the best role in the scum team
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Why we should lynch Dirkzor, according the the TL Mafia Vets who wrote a guide
A. Survival
Hiding/Blending in
+ Show Spoiler +This thread stinks, everyone else has said it, why not me? I wanna look like I care too guys! On August 21 2012 05:47 Dirkzor wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2012 04:33 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On August 20 2012 16:16 Dirkzor wrote:Oh god. 7 pages of nothingness so far. Oh and btw I'm to.. No... not that. Horrible way to enter a thread. On August 20 2012 07:41 Drazerk wrote:
##Take In Sunlight
##Solar Beam: VisceraEyes On August 20 2012 07:56 Drazerk wrote:On August 20 2012 07:55 strongandbig wrote:On August 20 2012 07:52 Drazerk wrote:On August 20 2012 07:51 Toadesstern wrote:On August 20 2012 07:48 Drazerk wrote:On August 20 2012 07:46 Toadesstern wrote:
as if. I'll consider that a troll and if you really do damage I'll blast right back.
Also: sup guyses I GOT A KP ROLE OUT OF MY TROLL Basically all I wanted  I said you're trolling. Go figure what that might mean for my post. Still you wouldn't do the threat if you couldn't back up with something other than a half assed vote that means nothing soooooo... why were you trying to out kp roles? Track the damage track the scum Since this is the most interesting thing so far I'll guess its also the best way to start. Drazerk's maybe fake solar beam doesn't make any sense. I know its Drazerk so in that way I could be excused. But the way he explained it doesn't fit a Drazerk move (as I remember him from last I played). I would have expected a more "Because I wanted too" response. All that is meta and not super reliable. But "Track the damage track the scum" doesn't even make sense. Even if you know that Toad have a KP doesn't make it easier to find scum? I dislike Drazerk's posting so far... I end it with this lulz: On August 20 2012 10:44 Drazerk wrote:On August 20 2012 10:34 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On August 20 2012 10:28 Drazerk wrote:On August 20 2012 10:27 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On August 20 2012 10:23 Drazerk wrote:On August 20 2012 10:23 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On August 20 2012 10:17 Drazerk wrote:
I'm with wiggles there are super powers out there that prey on certain information being known (Steamship 4 shot sniper comes to mind)
So the following -
No pokemon names
No Type
No role information
No claiming medic to save scum
Anyone who does this will probably just be shot down or turned green Why do you keep stating obvious things -_- I have my reasons I hope they don't revolve around you using the argument later of "look at how helpful I was being, I clearly cannot be scum" because well, general advice to a group of players who at this point should all know the basics of playing clearly wouldn't need said advice. I never defend myself You should know this by now Then you should really stop playing so scummy. Playing as you are now reaks almost as distinctly red as mr kurumi over there. He smells bad. Theres no real way for me to stop looking like scum with my play style and its why you will need to kill me (I said kill not lynch) before Lylo other whys ill make an awful call at a critical situation and lose town the game or you will all suspect me and lose town the game. Man, I think dirk just claimed scum with this post. hurrah Hurrah. Now kill me so I can stop reading this garbage.
Posting long but contentless posts
+ Show Spoiler +On August 21 2012 16:26 Dirkzor wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2012 09:48 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On August 21 2012 07:49 VisceraEyes wrote:On August 21 2012 07:14 VisceraEyes wrote:
If there's no support for it, then I'll entertain the cases put forth. There isn't much more to say on the matter, and anyone who dwells on this should be put under scrutiny. It's a vote like any other vote, I've given my reasoning for it - it's up to you guys to convince me that your read on random player is better than my seething hatred for grush' playstyle. I can tell you without a doubt that attempting to bully me for it is not going to work. Posted again because you apparently missed it Toad. The case on Kurumi is that he's Kurumi. The case on Draz is inflated WIFOMY bullshit that consists mostly of setup speculation. The case on BC is...that he said the same thing as you? Last time I checked, agreeing with someone isn't a scumtell, so until he elaborates on his read of Dirk I'm reserving judgement on BC. I'm not reluctant to talk about my thoughts, I just don't have many yet. If this doesn't satisfy you, then my sincerest of apologies. Hopefully my future contributions are up to your standards. Simple, he basically said he didn't want to be terrible about how he entered the thread. He then jumps on the bandwagon of the day of that time by making a large "say nothing post" as his post really says jack shit aside from talking about the fake solar beam. Its a space filler post on the person with the largest bit of heat on them that offers no new information or really anything of note at all. Why spend time making a post look large if you aren't going to put content with it. Since then he has had 1 post of complete apathy of "not wanting to read this garbage" that he is in no way helping to solve. Seems pretty open shut to me atm. A "say nothing post"? I basicly had the samw worries that S&B did in his big case against Drazerk. My post was just completely crap at explaining my problem with drazerk since it was all hunches and feelings. The way I entered was just a punch towards those entering with a town claim which is basicly useless and imo a complete stupid way to enter a thread. While I agree that Drazerk was the biggest focus point during the first part of D1, the solar beam thingy wasn't mentioned in the 2-3 pages before I posted so I brought it up again because it was the only thing worth mentioning.
Show nested quote +On August 21 2012 09:30 wherebugsgo wrote:yeah Mattchew, I don't have as much time as I normally do. I'm going to try not to rage if something retarded happens (like in BC's game) but I'm also hosting AoK mafia which is taking quite a lot more time than expected. I don't like imallinson and I would be fine with lynching him today. If you all would kindly take a glance at his posts, in most of them he fails to take a strong opinion and defers his own stances to the opinions of others. For example: On August 21 2012 09:18 imallinson wrote:
I guess what need weighing up with regards to a Grush lynch is would lynching anyone else give us more info? On August 21 2012 09:00 imallinson wrote:On August 21 2012 08:54 VisceraEyes wrote:On August 21 2012 08:50 Mattchew wrote:On August 21 2012 08:47 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm reading AND care Mattchew, care to elaborate on why you think otherwise? cause you haven't sunk your teeth into a real candidate with reason yet, you haven't picked a fight, you also havent explained why you havent done the previously mentioned things. you usually do atleast 1 of these things as town Yeah, this sounds like you as town too. The reason I haven't "sunk my teeth into a candidate" yet is because there are no real candidates for me to choose from. Draz is like the only one and I don't like the fact that a bandwagon built on the BS case SnB put forth. It's a shitty case and I don't like the smell of the bandwagon that formed from it...so I'm not supporting it presently. My grush wagon could use some help though, if you're interested. It's guaranteed to rid the game of an anti-town poster and gosh, it might even net us a scum. What do ya say? It feels kind of wrong lynching someone who can't defend himself. I've never played a game with him before, is he normally this spammy and terrible in his posting? The only real thing he's contributed is that he thinks people aren't thinking "outside of the box" enough with respect to roles (about the multiple power thing). However, that has nothing to do with finding scum and he himself admits its pretty much not of any help: On August 21 2012 08:20 imallinson wrote:On August 21 2012 08:12 Mementoss wrote:On August 21 2012 08:09 imallinson wrote:On August 21 2012 07:44 Hopeless1der wrote:On August 21 2012 07:39 imallinson wrote:
I've been out all day so I apologise for not posting earlier.
One thing I noticed, between the spam, is a hell of a lot of role discussion, talk about kp, etc. I think everyone has missed a very important point in all this. These are pokemon we are dealing with and last I checked most of them have more than one power. Because this is PTP it wouldn't surprise me if most people did have more than one power. Add to that the fact that all the role talk has been about standard mafia roles it seems like no one is really thinking outside the box on the roles. The real question is do they think it's the case a not talking about it for strategic reasons. I'm not a fan of misdirection in mafia from a town perspective because it normally only serves to make scum hunting harder. Most roles can be equated to standard mafia roles. You can deal KP? Your a vig role. You can protect? medic role. You can edit your posts? Okay, this one doesn't exist. Short of everyone claiming what role they created (Which might be useful, but a great way for scum to fuck with us), we have to use terms that everyone else will understand. Once we get through a round of Night actions, (assuming decon\greymist use the ability names) we'd be able to refer to specifics. I didn't really mean calling roles different names just because of PTP. I'm perfectly fine calling KP role vig, protect role medic and so on. I'm talking about roles that would never be in a normal game of mafia and thus don't have a standard name. I'm pretty the role I created doesn't fit into any normal mafia role and I'm sure there a lot of other cases like that. As for role calling I think it's a terrible idea, especially in PTP because you can make up a fake role for yourself just as easily as the role you created for someone else. I do agree with you that things should become clearer after night 1 because we will at least get some info on the roles that are in play. But how do your thoughts on roles and PTP mechanics help us catch scum? It doesn't really, I'm just pointing out a big missing piece in all the role talk so far. Honestly I don't think role talk day 1 will be helpful in this set up.On August 21 2012 08:12 Drazerk wrote:On August 21 2012 08:05 wherebugsgo wrote:On August 20 2012 10:17 Drazerk wrote:
I'm with wiggles there are super powers out there that prey on certain information being known (Steamship 4 shot sniper comes to mind)
So the following -
No pokemon names
No Type
No role information
No claiming medic to save scum
Anyone who does this will probably just be shot down or turned green On August 20 2012 21:30 Drazerk wrote:
Also to go one step further
I'm a bug type so fire / flying / rock types - Bring it Herp derp? I don't know if anyone else noticed this (I have to reread some of what I missed) but I saw this and figured it has to be pointed out. Unfortunately it's Drazerk, so to be completely honest my read of Drazerk doesn't change here. I'm an exception to my own rule because at some point I need to be taken down for the good of the town But is that point now? So if it's not going to be helpful why is he spending his time pointing that out instead of trying to find scum? In addition, note his vague language, his meek attitude, and his overall "hide and say a few noncontroversial things and hope no one notices me" style. All of these things are great ways for scum to blend in. ##vote imallinson While this case at face value makes sense I figured I'd dig deeper. imallinson is pretty new here so I figured he could just be intimidated by the amount of veterans in the game and thus explaining his meek attitude. So i skimmed his newbie game and the mad men game. In neither of those does he appear meek or insecure about his thoughts. So more power to this case due to that.
Show nested quote +On August 21 2012 09:08 VisceraEyes wrote:On August 21 2012 09:06 Mattchew wrote:On August 21 2012 08:54 VisceraEyes wrote:On August 21 2012 08:50 Mattchew wrote:On August 21 2012 08:47 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm reading AND care Mattchew, care to elaborate on why you think otherwise? cause you haven't sunk your teeth into a real candidate with reason yet, you haven't picked a fight, you also havent explained why you havent done the previously mentioned things. you usually do atleast 1 of these things as town Yeah, this sounds like you as town too. The reason I haven't "sunk my teeth into a candidate" yet is because there are no real candidates for me to choose from. Draz is like the only one and I don't like the fact that a bandwagon built on the BS case SnB put forth. It's a shitty case and I don't like the smell of the bandwagon that formed from it...so I'm not supporting it presently. My grush wagon could use some help though, if you're interested. It's guaranteed to rid the game of an anti-town poster and gosh, it might even net us a scum. What do ya say? I'd like a more informed read to lynch off of and I agree that SnB's case is weak, but I still have a scum read on Draz. He is back peddling and clearly nervous while trying to act like he's been cool calm and collected the entire game. You also haven't voted a weak read early (to provoke reaction) and said my vote is my tool or w.e you say, so I wouldn't be completely against lynching you currently You're not alone - but I strongly advise against it. I'm town and intend to show it soon enough. But my vote IS a tool, that much has not changed. I'm just using it differently this game than you're used to seeing. A fancy way of saying: My meta have changed... and that are always bullshit that people say when they think people got caught with some meta stuff. Eyes on VE. And lastly: @heist: Not so much suicidal anymore as this thread is turning for the better. The first 10 pages just had me regretting signing up. But why so interested in something thats clearly sarcastic? No one wants to die D1 in a mafia game why use the energy?
Not wanting to point fingers
+ Show Spoiler +Only goes after VE and myself, and has now gone after... no one? also this post, where he brings up things but doesnt accuse anyone of anything On August 23 2012 23:47 Dirkzor wrote:I don't read irony.... But reading your run-in with mattchew does make it make sense a bit more. Show nested quote +There's just a bit of a difference here, mine was more recent, had more work on it, and came to a solid conclusion, which was followed by a vote. Yours, on the other hand, was just a lot of waffle. Wait, what? More recent? That was 1-2 pages and about 10 hours after my case. I won't categorize that as more recent. More work? Why? Because you did some shitty post by post analysis? I came to a solid conclusion: Show nested quote +On August 22 2012 16:54 Dirkzor wrote:
I think mattchew is scum just cruising by.. forgot to add that in the end. Which is basicly the same you came to during your post-by-post: Show nested quote +On August 23 2012 03:10 JingleHell wrote:
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Starting to see a trend. Minimal content, wanting to sheep people. Usually scummy to want someone else to lead on cases.
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More wanting to sheep and hide behind other players.
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Given the fact I made the case during N1 I couldn't vote and so much have happened since that just blindly voting Mattchew now seems, in my eyes, a bit of an overkill and out of place. I'm still re-reading d1 and trying to put the pieces together. Found this gem: Show nested quote +On August 22 2012 03:44 Mementoss wrote:
If you read Toad's posts I think its fairly obvious he's not Meowth. I only have a little while before I leave before deadline and am still unsure where to place my vote. I still am really uncomfortable with Mattchews play, but no one seems to care about his sheneningans. The only thing that doesn't make me think he is scum, is his scum meta from LIII was very aggressive. Do with that info however you want.
Avoiding responsibility and Apathy about who is lynched
+ Show Spoiler +On August 22 2012 04:41 Dirkzor wrote:
So with 1½ hours left we should start to consolidate. Seems to me there are only 2 real targets. Myself and allinson.
TBH i don't know what to write. Of course I'll change my vote to allinson to increase my own chance of survival. I'm still nut sure if he is scum or not but he never got on my green list.
B. Pushing their agenda
Promoting confusion
+ Show Spoiler +On August 20 2012 16:16 Dirkzor wrote:
Oh god. 7 pages of nothingness so far.
Oh and btw I'm to.. No... not that. Horrible way to enter a thread. On August 21 2012 05:47 Dirkzor wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2012 04:33 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On August 20 2012 16:16 Dirkzor wrote:Oh god. 7 pages of nothingness so far. Oh and btw I'm to.. No... not that. Horrible way to enter a thread. On August 20 2012 07:41 Drazerk wrote:
##Take In Sunlight
##Solar Beam: VisceraEyes On August 20 2012 07:56 Drazerk wrote:On August 20 2012 07:55 strongandbig wrote:On August 20 2012 07:52 Drazerk wrote:On August 20 2012 07:51 Toadesstern wrote:On August 20 2012 07:48 Drazerk wrote:On August 20 2012 07:46 Toadesstern wrote:
as if. I'll consider that a troll and if you really do damage I'll blast right back.
Also: sup guyses I GOT A KP ROLE OUT OF MY TROLL Basically all I wanted I said you're trolling. Go figure what that might mean for my post. Still you wouldn't do the threat if you couldn't back up with something other than a half assed vote that means nothing soooooo... why were you trying to out kp roles? Track the damage track the scum Since this is the most interesting thing so far I'll guess its also the best way to start. Drazerk's maybe fake solar beam doesn't make any sense. I know its Drazerk so in that way I could be excused. But the way he explained it doesn't fit a Drazerk move (as I remember him from last I played). I would have expected a more "Because I wanted too" response. All that is meta and not super reliable. But "Track the damage track the scum" doesn't even make sense. Even if you know that Toad have a KP doesn't make it easier to find scum? I dislike Drazerk's posting so far... I end it with this lulz: On August 20 2012 10:44 Drazerk wrote:On August 20 2012 10:34 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On August 20 2012 10:28 Drazerk wrote:On August 20 2012 10:27 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On August 20 2012 10:23 Drazerk wrote:On August 20 2012 10:23 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On August 20 2012 10:17 Drazerk wrote:
I'm with wiggles there are super powers out there that prey on certain information being known (Steamship 4 shot sniper comes to mind)
So the following -
No pokemon names
No Type
No role information
No claiming medic to save scum
Anyone who does this will probably just be shot down or turned green Why do you keep stating obvious things -_- I have my reasons I hope they don't revolve around you using the argument later of "look at how helpful I was being, I clearly cannot be scum" because well, general advice to a group of players who at this point should all know the basics of playing clearly wouldn't need said advice. I never defend myself You should know this by now Then you should really stop playing so scummy. Playing as you are now reaks almost as distinctly red as mr kurumi over there. He smells bad. Theres no real way for me to stop looking like scum with my play style and its why you will need to kill me (I said kill not lynch) before Lylo other whys ill make an awful call at a critical situation and lose town the game or you will all suspect me and lose town the game. Man, I think dirk just claimed scum with this post. hurrah Hurrah. Now kill me so I can stop reading this garbage. On August 21 2012 16:26 Dirkzor wrote:
And lastly:
@heist: Not so much suicidal anymore as this thread is turning for the better. The first 10 pages just had me regretting signing up. But why so interested in something thats clearly sarcastic? No one wants to die D1 in a mafia game why use the energy? All this, while not doing much of anything to promote a better discussion, he blandly points a finger at draz and doesnt ask questions.
##vote: dirkzor
General theoretical question to the thread, if you took .5 kp of damage last night would you tell the thread?
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What in the...was that shot not claimed AGAIN? Scum must really be getting desperate.
Was that a blue flip? It looked like it, but everything has been colored blue so I wanted to make sure...
I'm down with a Wiggles lynch guys. BC died trying to get Wiggles lynched, and I think we should oblige him.
##Vote: Wiggles
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Yes Mattchew. Also , I like your case. Why has it taken you so long?
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FIRE THE TOWN KP AT DIRKZ.
GOGOGOOGOG
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On August 24 2012 02:03 VisceraEyes wrote:
What in the...was that shot not claimed AGAIN? Scum must really be getting desperate.
Was that a blue flip? It looked like it, but everything has been colored blue so I wanted to make sure...
I'm down with a Wiggles lynch guys. BC died trying to get Wiggles lynched, and I think we should oblige him.
##Vote: Wiggles
Nah, Wiggles attacking bc is a null tell in my opinion. Look at the timing of this hit, if they wanted to kill bc they would do it faster, it smells like a frame to me.
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On August 24 2012 02:09 Kurumi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 02:03 VisceraEyes wrote:
What in the...was that shot not claimed AGAIN? Scum must really be getting desperate.
Was that a blue flip? It looked like it, but everything has been colored blue so I wanted to make sure...
I'm down with a Wiggles lynch guys. BC died trying to get Wiggles lynched, and I think we should oblige him.
##Vote: Wiggles Nah, Wiggles attacking bc is a null tell in my opinion. Look at the timing of this hit, if they wanted to kill bc they would do it faster, it smells like a frame to me.
Yeah I considered that aswell, but wiggles has been scummy HMMMMMMMMMMMM idk man
also biosc where u been at man!
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