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sciberbia
United States1359 Posts
whoops didn't realize it was still going. Gah you're making me feel really bad lol. I think I came off as more harsh than I meant to. OK basically, I find a LOT of cases to be unconvincing, and Mordanis isn't a superstar vet, so one unconvincing case doesn't make me think he is scum, as marv was kinda suggesting it might. If the same case was made by marv/gonzaw/HiroPro, I might see it as a cause for concern, but I don't expect the same cases from Mordanis as I do from those players. | ||
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
And marv's stances this game are really weird to me :o Anyways, I think I'm going to head to bed so I can be up an hour or two before the deadline. G'nite. | ||
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DoYouHas
United States1140 Posts
On August 09 2012 05:23 sciberbia wrote: @DYH Please answer the following question for me: who do you think is more likely to be scum: Mordanis or prplhz? I'm not asking about who you have more reasons for voting for, or who you want to keep in the spotlight. If you had to bet your life savings right now on who is scum, who would you bet on? At the time of your asking my answer would definitely have been prplhz. After chewing over their more recent posts for a while I still would bet on prplhz over Mord. There are a few things in the way Mord has been posting that makes me want to keep him around. They are shown well in his latest post. That is a willingness to be wrong/admit mistakes and a seemingly genuine frustration with the passivity of the thread. prplhz on the other hand hasn't done much to dissuade me from my read on him. His posts since coming back are all focused on pushing Forumite. And while I will admit that the reason he gives for his vote isn't a bad one, the first thing I thought was "of course he went after Forumite, the easy target and the safe bandwagon". Which is kind of ironic to me because he sites himself as the victim of being an easy target in that very same post. I am uncomfortable lynching Forumite, as I previously said, I just don't read mafia motivations behind his posts. I have found a few reasons to keep Mord around at least for today. I just don't have the same kind of hesitation in voting prplhz, so that is where my vote is staying unless something drastic changes. @ scrib - What in Forumite's mistakes do you see as hiding mafia motivations? - I am going to be around for the next ~30 minutes. I will also try to wake up and be around an hour before the deadline. | ||
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sciberbia
United States1359 Posts
his willingness to throw suspicion around+ Show Spoiler + I find it suspicious when a player states suspicions of many other players, but either doesn't have townreads, or is unwilling to defend townreads. If Forumite is town, he should have some townreads that he is willing to defend. But, I feel like Forumite is supporting any lynch but his own in an effort to survive: -- mordanis: forumite agreed with shiaopi's case on him and expressed interest in lynching him -- shiaopi: forumite is currently null on shiaopi -- risk.nuke: forumite called out risk.nuke for lurking -- prplhz: forumite is supposedly confident that prplhz is scum I find Forumite's vote on prplhz especially suspicious. See these quotes: On August 08 2012 10:39 Forumite wrote: On prplhz Right now I´m in danger of falling into the OMGUS-trap, because the only thing I´ve gotten from him is the greeting and him calling me out. prplhz calling me out makes me think there´s something wrong with MY play, which makes prplhz a nulltell. On August 09 2012 03:57 Forumite wrote: With how the game looks right now, I want to lynch prplhz or mord. Prplhz doesn't play anything like I'm used to seing him play (as town), and mord is lurking too much for his few big but empty posts. On August 09 2012 08:53 Forumite wrote: Yeah, this isn´t the prplhz I´m used to. I can take the fact that you think I´m scum, but I can´t understant why you are not reading what I write and are deliberately misunderstand things. Do you really think I´m trying to take town-credit for being the cause of a discussion about wether or not I´m scum? I don´t think you have any interest in this game at all, you are among the top candidates for a lynch and your defence is nonexistant. You are an easy target because you are scummy, and you haven´t tried to change anyones mind about you since returning, you´d rather throw some suspicion around and hope it blows over. I was ready to vote you earlier when you had posted twice in total, now you are back and I´m even more sure that you are scum. ##Vote prplhz 1) I grow weary of pointing out Forumite's blatant self-contradictions, but originally, after prplhz's first two posts, Forumite lists prplhz as a nulltell. Then suddenly, without any new posts from prplhz, Forumite wants to lynch prplhz or mord. And later, Forumite clarifies that prplhz actually did seem scummy from the first two posts alone. Blatant contradiction. 2) I think his vote on prplhz is way too confident. I don't see anything in prplhz's behavior that justifies such confidence that prplhz is scum. This is slightly scummy on its own, and moreso after considering Forumite's meta, which I will address shortly. suspicion on meta+ Show Spoiler + Here are some personal notes I made myself on Forumite's meta:+ Show Spoiler + SCUM FORTUMITE (source: wheel of fortune) nitpicks some dumb policy stuff tunnels an easy target hard likes to point out bad town play gives some helpful blue advice "who is scum and where are the lurkers?" acts very sure about his easy case casts a rather small net. TOWN FORTUMITE(source: arkham city (vig)) casts wider net willing to change opinions less sure about everything hepful policy talk I just compared his filter this game to my notes, and I definitely see more similarity to his scum meta than his townie meta. Disagreeing with other people's policy ideas in WoF:+ Show Spoiler + On April 22 2012 07:15 Forumite wrote: Not following, why do they need to sign their posts? Doesn´t that defeat the point of having a hydra-account? On April 22 2012 07:27 Forumite wrote: Partly agree. It´s good in most situations to know who said what, because otherwise it´s impossible to read their play due to old games. On the other hand, just like in Couples Therapy Mafia, they are both responsible for what the other one do. They can´t blame the other player, so most of the time I´ll ignore who said what. On April 22 2012 07:49 Forumite wrote: I know, they will probably not agree on everything, I don´t expect them to, but if one of them makes a mistake then the other one is probably just playing better. I agree that they might as well sign their posts, I just disagree with how we use that information. On April 23 2012 05:59 Forumite wrote: I don´t have the same experience with masons as you. In the games I´ve played, confirmed townies die soon after getting confirmed. In that light, it might be better to wait until day 3 to claim, and breadcrumb in a foolproof way so that if one mason die before the claim, the other one can confirm himself. During D3, when there are fewer people alive, one confirmed makes a much bigger difference. On April 23 2012 06:51 Forumite wrote: I think I see what you mean, giving scum 2 more targets will give them way too many to shoot down with all the veterans here, especially if one or two in the mason pair are newbies who would never normally attract bullets. In that case, why wait until tomorrow? Why not claim now in that case? Why tomorrow? We are most likely one less player tomorrow, maybe 2. 2 confirmed among 12 is not far from 2 confirmed among 14, it´s not enough to single out scum. The way I see it, either we give scum more targets, or we make sure to get as many confirmed town as possible. If the first, then the masons should claim now, if the second, then we wait until day 3 and have the masons and DTs claim all at once. Disagreeing with other people's policy ideas in DF:+ Show Spoiler + On August 08 2012 03:17 Forumite wrote: That´s okay, you are more likely to scumslip if you don´t think there´s any danger. On Double-lynching: I´m opposed to double-lynching because of the danger of gobbos manipulating the vote, either to save their buddy or to kill two town at once. I´m also opposed to it because of the ease of blending in when the discussion is about a package of 2 people dying, when there are two candidates players can just say "Meh, I don´t really want to lynch B but since it´s the only way to get you all to agree on lynching A, I guess we´ll lynch both together". I will not agree to double-lynching unless there´s a VERY good reason to double-lynch. I will vote to hammer anyone who creates a double-lynch without the second candidate flipping gobbo. On August 08 2012 06:03 Forumite wrote: You mean claim, and if counterclaimed (by scum or the real tracker) we kill them both? I don´t think it´s a good plan. A Tracker is not as good as a DT, but he´s not useless. An innocent child will just get killed if he claims D1. The Tracker can track the one doing the nightkill and the roleblocker, and know if his target is a Doc (no roleblock claim and survives), so basically a DT that misses the one scum that does nothing. Can scum send the roleblocker to perform the nightkill AND roleblock even when there are other goblins alive, thereby reducing the number of people at risk of being Tracked? (Only usefull in a Tracker+Doc setup, but still) Acting very sure about easy targets in WoF:+ Show Spoiler + He basically just tunnels MrZentor for 2 days. Here are a few examples of his confidence in the read: On April 22 2012 11:08 Forumite wrote: You on the other hand are grasping at straws, you make a weak case on prplhz to divert attention from yourself, and you are generally not acting town (why DID you vote yourself?). It´s very, very early in the game, and only about a third of the players have shown themselves so far, but your play so far scream scum. ##Vote MrZentor On April 22 2012 20:22 Forumite wrote: I know most scum wouldn´t start the game like he does, because it´s too obvious, but that can´t be a defence of those who actually do. On April 27 2012 03:21 Forumite wrote: If I had any doubts about you, you silenced them with that post. There is no way you can be Town, not after the way you´ve been playing. Acting very sure about easy targets in DF: + Show Spoiler + Shiaopi is maybe not an easy target, but certainly not a hard one. On August 08 2012 06:07 Forumite wrote: Yay, prplhz! ShiaoPi looks like scum, just read the few introposts. And also with prplhz: On August 09 2012 08:53 Forumite wrote: Yeah, this isn´t the prplhz I´m used to. I can take the fact that you think I´m scum, but I can´t understant why you are not reading what I write and are deliberately misunderstand things. Do you really think I´m trying to take town-credit for being the cause of a discussion about wether or not I´m scum? I don´t think you have any interest in this game at all, you are among the top candidates for a lynch and your defence is nonexistant. You are an easy target because you are scummy, and you haven´t tried to change anyones mind about you since returning, you´d rather throw some suspicion around and hope it blows over. I was ready to vote you earlier when you had posted twice in total, now you are back and I´m even more sure that you are scum. ##Vote prplhz His 'confidence' that prplhz is scum in particular is what I find really suspicious. It looks a lot like his 'confidence' that MrZentor was scum from WoF. I was expecting to find more similarities, but I guess that's it on meta. Anyway, the best example of a town game I could find of him (Arkham city) looks significantly different. To summarize, here is everything I find suspicious about Forumite: -- his contradictory logic about not explaining his read on shiaopi due to wanting shiaopi to scumslip -- forumite kept talking about his scum read on shiaopi even after he supposedly realized that his case wasn't good -- his reaction to prplhz calling him scummy was to assume that prplhz must be right and his case on shiaopi must be bad -- the post to me in which he calls his own case bad and casts doubt on his own scumhunting ability -- overall tone toward vets and active players is a bit too passive/friendly IMO -- contradicts himself about his initial views on prplhz -- doesn't have any townread that he is willing to defend from lynching. I don't think he has explicitly disagreed with any scumread or case presented thus far -- acts very sure that prplhz is scum. Unjustifiably so, IMO -- fits his scum meta better than his townie meta IMO @DYH I don't really see Forumite as trying to push a scum agenda. I just see him trying to fake being a townie (aka survive), but not doing a good enough of a job. His contradictions make me think he has been lying about reads, reasons for reads, and reasons for changing reads. Scum don't have reads, so they need to lie about that kind of stuff. Not defending other people is a scum trait: he doesn't care who gets lynched as long as it isn't him. Being friendly toward vets and casting doubt on his own scumhunting are both ways to try to gain friends, but don't have good townie motivations. I still think Forumite has a pretty good chance of being scum. It's possible I'm wrong about him, but I don't think I am. | ||
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sciberbia
United States1359 Posts
My views on anyone that might be in contention for lynching: very suspicious: Forumite suspicious: prplhz, shiaopi not suspicious: Mordanis I agree with Mordanis that this D1 has been a bit frustrating. It's actually remarkable how little our 'vets' have done today now that I think about it. prplhz, risk.nuke, CL, HiroPro, and marv to an extent. On the upside, I think we have a pretty good shot at lynching scum tomorrow, especially if we lynch forumite, but I could also see us hitting scum with prplhz. Good night. | ||
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Mordanis
United States893 Posts
Marv: Anyways, I don't really trust Marv's motives so far. His reason for voting for CL: + Show Spoiler [Reasoning] + On August 09 2012 00:31 marvellosity wrote: Final post for now. People who don't care about town: prplhz. For your convenience, his posts so far: Posting to say he isn't reading, and casting doubt with seemingly no purpose. This is seriously pants. I'd be happier to vote for him if I hadn't seen him do similar as town before. Custos Moony This dude is worse. DoYouHas talked about him a little yesterday, and I agree with what he said. To expand: This goes back to part of Shiao's case on Mordanis, where Mordanis tied himself up in knots a bit about it. However, I see the root cause of that particular problem as Luna's post here (of course sciberbia was the originator, but Luna is the one to highlight it). The problem I have with this post is that it's highlighting something without providing your own commentary on it. As DYH said, it's highlighting a contradiction that wasn't even really a contradiction. What it *is* doing is planting an idea into town, an idea that can't be fruitful, and then letting town shit itself up with it. I see strong scum motive in this. Again as DYH points out, everyone wasn't talking about a D1 double lynch at all. It was mentioned offhandedly as a bad idea a couple of times, but never seriously proposed in any way. In an empty filter, it's empty filler devoid of content for the sake of saying something. Further to note - he's at work and reading where he can, and just "poking". Excuse for not being substantial. Just pointless. If it was sandwiched between content, fine, but it isn't. The fact of the matter is that Custos was around the thread at at least three points yesterday (just check the timestamps of what I quoted) but when he's around he contributes nothing or even causes thread disruption. Second excuse for doing nothing. In short, Custos Luna doesn't give a shit about town. His original quote-post of scib's was unexplained with his own opinion and served to disrupt the thread by making people talk about an irrelevant non-contradiction. He excuses himself for scumhunting. He is currently my favourite lynch target. ##Vote: Custos Luna Mufaa/Skware in NMM 14, where one player was replaced because he didn't post at all in a cycle or two, and his replacement posted a total of like 4 times in 4 cycles, and 3 of them were in the first cycle he replaced into. He literally didn't post for at least 2 cycles and missed at least 2 votes, and he was town. Marv later posts + Show Spoiler [Similar Reasoning] + On August 09 2012 05:24 marvellosity wrote: ##Unvote Custos is actually getting involved in town affairs ##Vote: prplhz prplhz very much is not. I'm going to look more into the Forumite situation. Need to mull over what slOosh said to me and also see if I can make anything out of what seems to be a lot of 'meh' from people about it. Before I begin my next point, I want to point out again that Marv has either played in or cohosted every game I've played. Assumably this means that he has read every post of mine, and known my alignment for most of them the entire time. Marv must know my habits, foibles, tells, and what to do to get me lynched at this point. This is rather important. Here I'd like to point out these posts + Show Spoiler + On August 09 2012 08:28 marvellosity wrote: scib, I meant all the questions/explanations/possible contradictions in the explanations for Forumite's play. Most likely to be scum? ick. to be continued. For when you return - please talk about Mordanis' case on shiaopi. On August 09 2012 08:02 marvellosity wrote: ugh this Forumite stuff is soooo dense. can't tell if mordanis is scum or just made a really atrocious case. as you're here, what did you make of mordanis' case on ShiaoPi, prplhz? In short, marv is either extremely light on sharing his opinions, or is trying to find scum in a really bad way. Also, he seems to be afraid to take responsibility, which seems very scummy. ##Vote marvellosity Also, I'm going to be up for like 15 minutes, and then I'll sleep for like 4 hours, be awake for the deadline, and then probably crash 5 minutes later. | ||
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risk.nuke
Sweden2825 Posts
##Vote: prplhz Worth to note - Mordanis votes for a a new lynch candidate a couple of hours before the deadline and then says he will go to bed. If he honestly thinks he can get someone lynched on that short notice without staying in the thread absolutely screaming and arguing then I'm a horse. So what I can make of that is Mordanis pretty much doesn't care who dies. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
On August 09 2012 16:59 Mordanis wrote: [/spoiler] Long story short, its either the worst "scum-tell" in history or a pressure vote. First off, lurking/inactivity is a really bad scum-tell. One prominent example comes to mind+ Show Spoiler +##Vote: Custos Luna Mufaa/Skware in NMM 14, where one player was replaced because he didn't post at all in a cycle or two, and his replacement posted a total of like 4 times in 4 cycles, and 3 of them were in the first cycle he replaced into. He literally didn't post for at least 2 cycles and missed at least 2 votes, and he was town. this is so frighteningly bad I can't believe it. carry on mordanis. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
On August 09 2012 15:47 sciberbia wrote: @DYH I don't really see Forumite as trying to push a scum agenda. I just see him trying to fake being a townie (aka survive), but not doing a good enough of a job. That's the problem, I don't see why if he was trying to fake a townie he'd have thrown out that pointless read so early. It doesn't add up. I'm happy with my vote on prplhz. I'm perplexed by Mordanis's cases so far (on me or otherwise), and sorry bro, I don't know your posting well enough to understand if it's scum motivation or if they're just awful and full of contradictions. Kinda a bit suspicious of HiroPro at the moment for content and very suspicious of Keirathi. He's made one post with his opinions on lynch candidates, and apart from that his entire filter is jabs, picking, poking, criticising. | ||
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HiroPro
United States2624 Posts
1) I grow weary of pointing out Forumite's blatant self-contradictions, but originally, after prplhz's first two posts, Forumite lists prplhz as a nulltell. Then suddenly, without any new posts from prplhz, Forumite wants to lynch prplhz or mord. And later, Forumite clarifies that prplhz actually did seem scummy from the first two posts alone. Blatant contradiction. Hm this is a good point. | ||
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HiroPro
United States2624 Posts
##Unvote ##Vote Forumite | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
On August 09 2012 02:57 DoYouHas wrote: [...] prplhz is looking worse and worse in my eyes because of his lack of quality early and his lurking now. I don't really have anything new to bring against him as he hasn't written anything new. But his silence is condemning, his apparent desire to fly under the radar while everyone is focusing on Shiao/Mord/Forum. He needs to be kept in the spotlight with all our other suspects and he has earned my vote. ##Vote: prplhz Voting for me because I am lurkish. It's a little wobbly between scum and pressure vote but On August 09 2012 05:24 marvellosity wrote: ##Unvote Custos is actually getting involved in town affairs ##Vote: prplhz prplhz very much is not. I'm going to look more into the Forumite situation. Need to mull over what slOosh said to me and also see if I can make anything out of what seems to be a lot of 'meh' from people about it. Voting for me because I am lurkish. On August 09 2012 05:32 HiroPro wrote: Let's kill prplhz. As town he may act overwhelmed at times but he certainly doesn't display the attitude or lack of interest that he does here. This is much more like his scum games (Normal Mini II and Movie Star) where he acts annoyed and angry for no reason and does nothing. As for Forumite, I'll wait and see. The contradiction that sciberbia and slOosh talk about (wanting to pressure Shiao but at the same time withholding reasoning because ) is certainly present but he's brought a lot more attention onto himself actively than I would expect from a scum player and definitely looks interested in town affairs. We shouldn't lynch him today. ##Vote prplhz I don't know what to think of this, when I am busy I play like I am playing right now. I appreciate the effort but if you look at Mad Men Mafia you'll see me play lurkish too (and get lynched on day1) and I was town that game. HiroPro, why are you ignoring Mad Men Mafia? Also, how exactly do you feel that my play looks like Normal Mini Mafia II and Movie Star Mafia but not like Mad Men Mafia? On August 09 2012 08:53 Forumite wrote: Yeah, this isn´t the prplhz I´m used to. I can take the fact that you think I´m scum, but I can´t understant why you are not reading what I write and are deliberately misunderstand things. Do you really think I´m trying to take town-credit for being the cause of a discussion about wether or not I´m scum? I don´t think you have any interest in this game at all, you are among the top candidates for a lynch and your defence is nonexistant. You are an easy target because you are scummy, and you haven´t tried to change anyones mind about you since returning, you´d rather throw some suspicion around and hope it blows over. I was ready to vote you earlier when you had posted twice in total, now you are back and I´m even more sure that you are scum. ##Vote prplhz Why are you as town saying something that you don't mean? I read the thread and then I react to that, you shouldn't say stuff you don't mean if you are town because the best you can achieve is that some guy will misunderstand you. Like it's already been pointed out this looks very OMGUS and you were just waiting for me to post so that you could put your vote on me (you'd already expressed the desire to do this but also some scummy reluctance to do it). On August 09 2012 13:51 Keirathi wrote: [...] -- prplhz -- I really don't know what to think. He has lurked and hasn't contributed much at all. The 1 liners, and jumping on the most popular case once he did contribute doesn't help his standing in my eyes, and fits with his Normal Mini II scum play. For now, he gets my vote. ##vote prplhz I'll be around for a couple of hours for discussion though. You don't know what to think so you'll just lynch me? Since when are 1 liners something that scum primarily do and how did I just jump on Forumite? I wrote what I liked about the sciberbia case, the point about his weird explanation of his ShiaoPi vote was really good. Forumite is writing something that very literally makes no sense just because he is under light pressure, this is really scummy. You are voting me for being lurkish and for voting someone else for a legit reason. On August 09 2012 18:52 risk.nuke wrote: Prplhz as people have already pointed out don't play like this as town and I prefer to hang him rather then Forumite. ##Vote: prplhz [...] Is this legit? Seriously, you are all voting for an easy target, not because I am scummy but because I lurked a bit. Then you are vaguely referring to the only actual case against me (HiroPro's) which is in itself really vague and also has a big flaw in it (in that he ignores my most recent game where this exact same thing happened as town). People should just notice this if I get lynched, HiroPro is the only one who actually ever brought out any arguments against me, the rest were a pressure vote and a bunch of vague references to that case, and I think it looks like HiroPro is being set up. | ||
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ShiaoPi
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5955 Posts
While I can agree on your point that marv seems overly cautious I cannot agree with your points about his vote. What he does by pressure voting first custos then prphlz is to discourage inactivity and not getting involved with the discussion. How can you say that this is not playing with townmotivation in mind if it helps combat anti-town play? But nevertheless, this seems to me at least an improvement from your case on me. It is correct to be wary of marv. At the moment I really do not know if it is that good to lynch prphlz...It is a lurker lynch bascially, flipping a coin on the chance that it really is different from his meta because he is scum or that he simply lacked time. Reading through the latest points of scib got me convinced that Forumite might actually be scum. Coupled with Mord actually starting to make sense, when I look at it from his point of view (no offense  ) and my discomfort with a prphlz lynch I expressed above, I will change my vote to Forumite. Since my vote on Mord achieved some success in getting him to post more sensible and it probably won't get any traction looking at it in 3 hours to deadline.##unvote ##Vote: Forumite | ||
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ShiaoPi
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
could someone rustle up a votecount? gonna check in on phone en route | ||
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ShiaoPi
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5955 Posts
@Marv: I think currently Forumite is set to be lynched | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
On August 08 2012 11:11 Forumite wrote: [/b][/b]Initial read: Basically I thought I saw some kind of anti-town motivation here. I´ve gotten good reads from initial posts in other games, so I thought I had found something here. Current read: Nullread. I´ve thrown out my initial scumread, it was probably just the one odd post, especially as ShiaoPi showed that he was willing to discuss the setup just a few posts after the initial incriminating post. I changed my mind because I knew I wasn´t getting anywhere. I didn´t have much to start with, and I got conflicting reads the first time I reexamined the case. That HiroPro, marvel and prplhz spoke up against me making accusations and/or against the actual case mattered a lot too, because I doubted my read if none of the other "veterans" agreed, and because I didn´t want to distract the thread more than I had allready done. That´s about it, I´m back to square one on ShiaoPi. It's okay that you read what other people say but listening to them because of how many games they've played makes no sense. Townies are ever paranoid and Forumite wants to hear the opinions of three people so that he can adjust his reads according to them. I think that townies mostly just stick with what they think (and if they're new at the game and someone disagrees with them then they'll call those disagreeing people scum). Forumite put his read out there so that he could adjust his behavior according to what three people thought without ever clarifying why he is assuming that they're town (he's even very suspicious of me at this point). His filter has a decent size (considering that it's day1) but there's nothing in there that I would think is townie. He is poking a little at people "Where is Custos Luna" and "risk.nuke is lurking" but he is not following up on it. Other than that, it's primarily defending himself and then trying to get his vote down. His posting has a really constructed look over it like he thinks too much about not making any missteps. | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
Other stuff I noticed about Forumite On August 08 2012 11:11 Forumite wrote: Initial read: Basically I thought I saw some kind of anti-town motivation here. I´ve gotten good reads from initial posts in other games, so I thought I had found something here. Current read: Nullread. I´ve thrown out my initial scumread, it was probably just the one odd post, especially as ShiaoPi showed that he was willing to discuss the setup just a few posts after the initial incriminating post. I changed my mind because I knew I wasn´t getting anywhere. I didn´t have much to start with, and I got conflicting reads the first time I reexamined the case. That HiroPro, marvel and prplhz spoke up against me making accusations and/or against the actual case mattered a lot too, because I doubted my read if none of the other "veterans" agreed, and because I didn´t want to distract the thread more than I had allready done. That´s about it, I´m back to square one on ShiaoPi. It's okay that you read what other people say but listening to them because of how many games they've played makes no sense. Townies are ever paranoid and Forumite wants to hear the opinions of three people so that he can adjust his reads according to them. I think that townies mostly just stick with what they think (and if they're new at the game and someone disagrees with them then they'll call those disagreeing people scum). Forumite put his read out there so that he could adjust his behavior according to what three people thought without ever clarifying why he is assuming that they're town (he's even very suspicious of me at this point). His filter has a decent size (considering that it's day1) but there's nothing in there that I would think is townie. He is poking a little at people "Where is Custos Luna" and "risk.nuke is lurking" but he is not following up on it. Other than that, it's primarily defending himself and then trying to get his vote down. His posting has a really constructed look over it like he thinks too much about not making any missteps. | ||
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Forumite
Sweden3280 Posts
-I've allready answered why I kept saying I thought ShaioPi was scum even when I got unsure. -I got suspicious of prplhz earlier, but didn't trust my read at first, because I thought it might have been anger at him voting for me. Then he came back and didn't change my opinion after three posts, so I went with my earlier read, that he's scum. About mord I don't think he's scum. I don't like his long posts, but he's actually my strongest townread right now. I'm not sure if I'll be around anymore before the deadline. | ||
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