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On August 19 2012 07:46 sciberbia wrote:
Because I don't know why scum would have wanted me dead if sloosh was also town. Like I'd have just been leading town in all the wrong directions if I were alive D3 and sloosh was town. And they definitely risked a doc save to kill me.
It's hard to say this game because slOosh was scum, but in a hypothetical situation in which you were town *AND* sloosh was town at the end of day2, I really see no reason to kill slOosh over you. You were active, pushing reads, defending cases, and generally taking control over the thread. Scum can't afford someone with that much presence to stay alive, even if he has been off on his reads a bit. You would have eventually gotten it right, and had enough town cred to follow through with it, whereas sloosh might not have.
E: Holy run-on sentence, batman.
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Marv hit: I had a blue read on you because of 3 things. First was that you participated a fair bit in the discussion of how blues were going to work that game. Second was that you were talking about possibilities around watchers when everyone else seemed more interested in trackers and the innocent child thing. Third was that you seemed to be flying under the radar after the blue discussion. Vaguely pro-town but nothing really to make you stand out. Since I had been gone for ~3 months I didn't know that you were a good scum hunter or a vet worth noting. Not doing that research almost had that hit backfire in my face.
Scib hit: We hit you because you were the biggest threat. Nobody was on the right track, but night 2 was going to be our only real chance to kill you (because we figured you were protected N1). The only person with enough influence and momentum to get the thread out of the quagmire it had become was you. And if you happened to make a case against either me or slOosh, or even if you went after someone we didn't want lynched, you had too much town cred to be argued against safely. I had hoped that the mislynch of Forumite would slow you down and keep you from taking control but that wasn't the case.
Keirathi hit: You were the only townie left in the game who seemed like you could still be objective with your scum hunting. Hence, the only real threat left. Also, the carelessness of CL and Mord's play along with how they participated in the blue discussion at the beginning had me cross them off the list of possible docs. (At the end of day 1 my blue reads were Marv for watcher, shiaopi/Keirathi/risk for doc.) Shiaopi I figured was less likely that Keirathi because he was not as cautious or as invested. Keirathi was holding himself apart from most of the cases and drama in the thread, coming in with a few self assured comments and a vote here and there. He was clearly invested in keeping the town moving forward, but also avoided drawing attention to himself. After risk died, Keirathi was the clear choice.
P.S. You will note that a lot of this isn't in the mafia QT. These were my reasons for each hit, (and I had a pretty large say in it) whether or not I needed to use them to convince slOosh/prplhz.
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Blazinghand
United States25552 Posts
DYH was the guy who sent in the hits each night and had the final say on who did and didn't get hit-- these reasons seem smart, and helped his team win. I think scum did a good job with their hits this game.
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United Kingdom36161 Posts
mm. definitely going to have to be more careful when i'm blue in the future. his reasons for sniping me seem quite legit.
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Yea the NK's and RB usage (or lack thereof) really could not have been any better even if scum were handed the full role list and knew all our night actions in advance. Overall DYH, I think your's has been the best scum performance I have witnessed so far. Congrats on your win.
If I ever roll scum, I want DYH on my team. Potential hosts, please take note.
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TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
Some thoughts regarding the game.
The main problem was imo that there were few people who successfully established themselves as townie and the few who did (marv, scib come to mind) got shot at first chance, having several scummy-looking players (me, CL, Mord) did not really help as we were pretty much just at each others throats allowing scum to fly by under the radar as sloosh did or even establish themselves as townie like DYH did. Just gave way too much scummy material for actual scum to work on cases :D
The other big aspect of town's loss was inactivtiy. As soon as the more active posters were dead the thread was just crawling along.
So in conclusion I would say, DYH's great play+inactivity+stupid scummy townies = easy scum victory! ^^
In Retrospect I would really know how to establish yourself as townie, I look at least a bit scummy in every game I play (only rolled VT) thus far and it kind of gets annoying that I am not improving on that regard. Any tips?
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United Kingdom36161 Posts
I can't remember details, but at least one of your cases was disastrously weak. Keirathi and I were kinda boggled you used Mordanis' verbosity against him when it's totally alignment-null for him and you know that.
Also there was something about the day 1 lynch voting where you didn't come off too well I think.
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I was suspicious of sloosh because he was so far out of his townmeta but honestly I just forgot about him as I was dealing with first things first. I probably gave DYH to much towncred for his prplhz. Was dead sure he was town untill he sheeped keirathis case just like that. But I was sure CL was scum and I was basing my read on DYH on the false assumption that CL was mafa.
I thought CL + Shia was the scumteam.
If Shia flipped town: CL + Sloosh
If CL flipped town: Shia + DYH
I was pretty sure scum was controlling the town. It seemed the most plausible scenario since the town was handling situations like idiots. I was pretty shocked when it turned out to be the two lurkers.
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Sorry for not being present last cycle, didn't anticipate the trip would interfere with mafia play. Any excuse for lack of internet etc. were all genuine stuff that I would have had as town, I guess it just meshed well with the inactivity of town.
I feel like me and DYH would have been pretty easy to pick out if people re-read in light of flips and with some objectivity. For instance, when prplhz flipped scum no one really looked into D1, where I pushed scib's Forumite case which helped the mislynch. Risk's lynch didn't really make sense and even when he flipped town no one gave regard for his end post read on CL. In an especially small game like this where filter reading would have been easy, no one actually seemed to do so, and Keirathi's flip should have shown that risk's lynch was townie led but scum supported.
But yes inactivity is killer and this is why - I was never really pressured to say something that would show my contradictions. Not that you couldn't go through my filter and see how I have no direction with my reads, but it is doesn't stand out as much. Honestly if scib hadn't died N2 then we would be in huge trouble because we would have been dragged into the spotlight and our words more closely scrutinized.
Good play by DYH, even though he was uncertain / shy early on he really got involved and comfortable with his role.
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GG scum!
Funny, I had Sloosh and DYH down as townies the whole game 
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