EPTI think you should mason me.
We both think the other is scum, therefore our interactions should be of great value to the town. You can ask me a lot of questions, I can ask you a lot of questions.
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talismania
United States2364 Posts
I think you should mason me. We both think the other is scum, therefore our interactions should be of great value to the town. You can ask me a lot of questions, I can ask you a lot of questions. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
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strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
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talismania
United States2364 Posts
My hunch is that scum has used their masons, and that they are VE and hassy. 2 scum, 3 town. Unless there's more grushes out there. | ||
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Lazermonkey
Sweden2176 Posts
But it's quite unlikely that someone didn't use their mason power D1 tbh. | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
Who do you think is scum, since prpl/grush were not? | ||
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Glasse
Canada1237 Posts
On August 06 2012 18:10 talismania wrote: One of the hallmarks of scum play is that they tend to be lazy when making their cases. damn. | ||
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talismania
United States2364 Posts
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Hier
2391 Posts
On August 07 2012 06:43 talismania wrote: Ok I can confirm I was masoned by VE. I was also masoned by someone who is not out in the open yet as a mason. Assuming he can't convince me otherwise I'll probably out him at the end of the cycle (and post our logs and the logs he had with his D1 person Wait, how are you going to post the logs from Day 1 between those two unknown players? Did he just give you those logs to you in private? An awful lot of trust going on there between the three of you. | ||
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talismania
United States2364 Posts
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MrZentor
United States1648 Posts
That's a terrible idea. I'm going to look into him and the person he masoned with the first day. -.- | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
Looking at talis' activity, I'm less inclined to vote him. I mean - I get the case on me and I can't refute it...it's based almost entirely around the quality of my case against him, which I'll admit is fairly bad. That being said, I've masoned talis and we'll see where my read on him goes from here. Errandor is looking like the best target today - we've now flipped a town mason, so theoretically speaking lynching into the masons is a good plan if we're subscribing to the idea that scum must have masons. That aside, I had a scum read leaving N1 and that hasn't changed. I feel like his defense against my points fails to address the main crux of my argument which is that rather than argue his points logically, he's more interested in turning town AGAINST you appealing to their emotions. It just sucks for him that most everyone KNOWS you're a bastard regardless of alignment.  And in response to your first question...no guy. 5 out of what 20? players isn't enough. I'm thoroughly DISatisfied with town's activity right now. Hopefully I'll be able to add something more to the conversation soon. | ||
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CountDropula
United States61 Posts
On August 07 2012 02:08 talismania wrote: CountDropula I'm going to read and respond to your case, will you read mine? + Show Spoiler + On August 07 2012 00:56 CountDropula wrote: Zephirdd, it's time. I'm calling you out. This post is not me bashing you as a player. I'm picking up on general trends in your play and and using our interaction as an extended example. It's written in the second person because I'm confident you will crack under the pressure. You know this too, don't you?  Zeph. You don't think I read your previous games before our confrontation on d1? You were all about facts and concrete arguments in normal mini mafia 2. So when I tried acting level-headed and nooby (the profile of someone I think your town-self would be comfortable with) to gauge if you were the same town Zeph from that game, you acted in the exact opposite way town Zeph would have. Everything you have against me is against me personally. Little did you know, I was the one baiting YOU. Your first posts looked suspicious, but I wasn't sure yet, so I tried to elicit some kind of response. You then validated my suspicion. You blinked first and outed your "plan" to the thread. You weren't being patient. Your goal was not to build a case. Your goal was to make an excuse for the sake of your appearance. This whole game, all your posts have done is feed the chaos. You don't focus. Examples. You are saying nothing. Ok now this is interesting. Calling town reads a scummy move, yet posting town reads. Your play is getting worse. This last post is swiss cheese. Full of holes. This is such a complete contradiction of your town play that it's absolutely ridiculous. Here is a post from normal mini mafia II. No compulsion to go crazy in response to suspicion because you are town in this game. In Mad Men, you say that nothing is concrete because you don't want it to be. You thrive on chaos. And another one from normal mini. Note the importance he places on facts. Day and night. All you are posting in this game is speculative, your case against me is not complete and irrefutable - actually it's the opposite since its based on so little. Town Zeph would never have done this. This is expected from a lazy scum case. Same thing with that "minicase" on talismania. It's well below the standard of your previous town game. You voted me at 8.59 August 4. I had one post at the time. one. Ever since then you've been pushing me as scum. How can you draw a conclusion like that from nothing? You know something we don't, and you were trying to create a distraction from more relevant issues. If you respond with a crazy belligerent post you just lynched yourself. Honestly you are dead with any response you make, because you are so irredeemably bad at playing scum that you will make a mistake and I will pick you apart with it. Now who's the noob scum? Guys, don't bury this post. Please give it serious thought, cause I've got a really strong read on this guy. If I'm wrong about this, I deserve to be lynched. Get this guy into the spotlight and he will crack. Please. Lets lynch Zephirdd and start killing mafia. Ok so this stuff doesn't quite add up. If I follow, what you're saying is that in reading Zephirdd's posts, you thought he might be scum early on. You then went to research previous games of his. After researching it, you noticed that zephirdd was "comfortable" with people that acted "level-headed and nooby". So first question, 1) Can you give us an example from that game of someone acting "level-headed and nooby" and then zephirdd reacting by being "comfortable" with them? You then decided to lay a trap for him. You yourself would act level-headed and nooby by making a case against him, to see how he would respond. He then snaps back at you, and you call this scummy because he didn't wait to build a case on you with other information. Ok I follow that even though it's kind of a stretch. But this is where things go off for me You've laid a trap based on eliciting a particular meta-response He falls for it You... vote for wbg, ninja switch to me, ninja switch to prp, meekly say "oh my votes were kind of rash and jumping the gun. It's a mistake but is it really suspicious?" (paraphrase). Well ok let me think this through. Perhaps it still holds consistency. After all you are accusing zeph for being scummy by springing a trap too early. You had yours, but you didn't want to spring it yet because you wanted more time to build a case. I can sort of buy that. You then accuse him of "feeding the chaos". Personally I don't really see this at all. Has anyone else felt that zephirdd has made this game chaotic? I haven't. The point about calling town reads scummy and posting town reads is a stretch. He's talking about me being scummy because I posted several town reads without explanation. That's different from saying that it's outright scummy to post a town read at all. I think this is confirmation bias looking for more evidence. Next, you can't just say "this post is swiss cheese. Full of holes" and not point out what the holes are. I mean you should give his case an honest response, not just dismiss it out of hand. The last part you should also spell out more. Like you're stating a meta-difference from NMM II to now but you're sort of stating it and going "here, see?" but I'm too obtuse to figure out what exactly is different. 1) Can you give us an example from that game of someone acting "level-headed and nooby" and then zephirdd reacting by being "comfortable" with them? Yes. I define "level-headed and nooby" as taking an honest and simple look at information and raising a question. Here is a post with this tone from NMMII. It's directed at Zeph. On July 06 2012 11:30 Bluelightz wrote: It's just from my expierience that when someone start's a discussion about policy lynches everyone always think it's bad so therefore I just cut to the chase and get started with scum hunting. This is how he responds. On July 06 2012 11:32 Zephirdd wrote: you're not cutting to the chase, having that part of the discussion is great. Even if people agree, the way they do it is what matters. However, if they don't even need to do it, we wouldn't find their "way" and we wouldn't have useful information for scumhunting in the first place. No outburst or finger pointing. Zeph shows lots of discomfort when dealing with this kind of tone in Mad Men though. 2. You... vote for wbg, ninja switch to me, ninja switch to prp, meekly say "oh my votes were kind of rash and jumping the gun. It's a mistake but is it really suspicious?" (paraphrase). A single thread post isn't all that visible, but voting thread posts? Can't bury those too well. And the frequent "typos"? Smiley among bold text = cant miss it. I got lots of reactions from that. You then accuse him of "feeding the chaos". Personally I don't really see this at all. Has anyone else felt that zephirdd has made this game chaotic? I haven't. -He is not pro-town. Not at all. No one thought I was a serious issue; he tried to make a case out of one post and is still trying to make something out of nothing. -And that "mini case" on you? His insta-vote of you turns into an actual case even though he says it means nothing? -And posting that list of lurkers. Noncommittal. 3. The point about calling town reads scummy and posting town reads is a stretch. He's talking about me being scummy because I posted several town reads without explanation. That's different from saying that it's outright scummy to post a town read at all. I think this is confirmation bias looking for more evidence. On August 04 2012 04:45 Zephirdd wrote: "not contributing"? What do you want me to do, pull bullshit out of my ass the way you are doing? wbg outing masons is a town move because he believes there is scum in the masons; He is outing them in order to pressure them. VE is town because his posting lines up with cautious blue that wants to protect his supposedly powerful mason role. Erandorr is dumb, but I'd say he wouldn't be that dumb as scum. Talismania's posts made sense for me when he posted them, and I still see them as possible town opinions. prplhz has been baiting scum with certain actions, while making sense with others. He hasn't caused chaos and is doing a good job in keeping the pace of the thread. Everything else is a null tell. I hate defending other people. That's their job. I only defend someone when I feel I have someone better to lynch. I don't. Deal with it. No quotes, no nothing. This is a lazy post, and there is very little explanation. The "rationale" is all really broad statements. Super broad. 4. Next, you can't just say "this post is swiss cheese. Full of holes" and not point out what the holes are. I mean you should give his case an honest response, not just dismiss it out of hand. The problem with the case is its inconsistency with Zeph's town posts. in NMMII As town, he wanted cold facts. Now he is emotional, and there is simply not enough evidence in his case on me to realistically be as sure as he is. 5. The last part you should also spell out more. Like you're stating a meta-difference from NMM II to now but you're sort of stating it and going "here, see?" but I'm too obtuse to figure out what exactly is different.[/QUOTE] The difference is that in NMM he wants great proof before acting. He does not operate like that here. | ||
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Hier
2391 Posts
+ Show Spoiler [Diagram] + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/008rx.png) Blue star indicates us having the log. Erandorr - WBG Log VE - WBG Log Toad - Erandorr Log Toad - Hassy Log I would safely assume that a mafia player isn't going to mason a mafia player. We still did not get a VG hit claim from last night. We also do not have the Grush mason log, assuming of course that he even masoned somebody. So whoever he masoned is sure to be scum; Grush might have been silenced because of that log. I will also assume that no mason is going to not mason anybody within any Day. Grush might be the only exception to that because that guy was just weird. So people like Hassy, Erandorr, and Toad: we will eagerly await your logs somewhere towards the middle of day 2 of Day 2. | ||
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Glasse
Canada1237 Posts
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s0Lstice
United States1832 Posts
VE, before you said you wanted to avoid random lynches this game, and now you are suggesting we should just lynch masons until we hit red? Tell me also why you find Erandorr scummier than Hassybaby. | ||
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s0Lstice
United States1832 Posts
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s0Lstice
United States1832 Posts
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Glasse
Canada1237 Posts
On August 07 2012 08:19 s0Lstice wrote: Glasse are you planning on, oh i dunno, making some reads today? There is something afoot | ||
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Glasse
Canada1237 Posts
On August 07 2012 08:17 s0Lstice wrote: looking at the OP, are we sure the vig doesn't have more than 1 shot? the role phrasing is a little ambiguous. Vigilante You may, any night,kill a player of your choice during the night. Your hit acts exactly as that of Mafia, meaning it can be used to to take out extra lives or use up Medic protection. Sounds like he has more than 1, to me at least. | ||
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