And KKS/CCM are fucking stupid.
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Requizen
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And KKS/CCM are fucking stupid. | ||
nichlion
United States265 Posts
On August 01 2012 03:01 XaI)CyRiC wrote: Random thoughts while reading through the last 10 or so pages: + Show Spoiler + 1. The only thing we know for certain about the T-ara situation is that KKS and CCM are wholly incompetent and couldn't have handled this situation much worse than they did. Both the pro- and anti- T-ara sides are pretty outrageous and letting their fandom/hate get out of control. My guess is that the truth is somewhere in between, as it usually is. CCM created a potentially volatile situation by adding Hwayoung the way they did, and I wouldn't be surprised if both Hwayoung and the other members reacted badly to what was likely a very stressful and frustrating situation for all of them. Keep in mind that these are young girls in a cut-throat industry, struggling not only with each other for the limelight but also with the ever-increasing number of competing idol groups out there, and who are constantly sleep/nutrition-deprived. That's not even considering the fact that these girls usually have no real friends and no true childhood due to their early training, and grow up in an artificial and unrealstic environment where they are adored as images and not people. It's a situation ripe for misunderstanding, cattiness, distrust, backstabbing, frustration, etc., as none of them are mature or well-adjusted socially. 2. The Hwayoung hate is unfair and misdirected in my opinion. People talking about how she "stole" lines from Eunjung and Hyomin need to remember that they were given to her by their management. People talking about how she came in after T-ara had already reached some level of success and was just riding their coattails need to remember that it was their management that decided it'd be a smart move to take what they had and change it when they did. I've seen no indication, and don't even believe it's possible, that Hwayoung forced her way into T-ara. What's more likely is that she, much like Lim in the Wonder Girls, was a trainee who had no idea if she'd ever debut, and jumped on a great opportunity given to her by her bosses. I doubt any trainees want to join an already existing group and deal with the backlash from the existing team members and fanbase, but they're also not going to turn down opportunities to debut that rarely come by. The hate should be directed at CCM, if anyone. They're the ones who apparently did a terrible job of adding Hwayoung to T-ara by not making sure the existing girls were on board with the idea, and by apparently not making sure that everyone was getting along. They were the adults in the situation, they were supposed to be the savvy management making sure that their questionable move didn't hurt the group. Whatever happened between the girls, the management company clearly failed them and should be the ones receiving the criticism and dislike, not Hwayoung. 3. Hwayoung is not as unattractive as some of the more vocal members of this board are making her out to be. Is she the least attractive in T-ara? Maybe. But she's hardly below average when comparing her to female idols as a whole. Hating on her because she can't sing and isn't a great rapper/dancer doesn't make sense either when considering how deficient some of the other members of T-ara are. 4. As someone already said, this situation is entirely different from the Daesung or even Nickhun situations. In addition to being handled much better from a PR point of view by the management companies, those situations involved accidents with a clear victim who was not attacked by the offending idol or the management company. This T-ara situation is particularly ugly because of how CCM/KKS has handled itself so poorly by giving inconsistent statements which make the public distrust them (i.e. T-ara members accounts were hacked -> they weren't talking about Hwayoung) and by airing their dirty laundry and engaging in public mudslinging at Hwayoung. Whatever people may think about Hwayoung, she is still just a young girl who was an employee of a company that had full control over her and was responsible for taking care of her, and having that same company's officials make personal attacks against her in the media will always paint them out as bullies. Unfortunately for the members of T-ara, their company's actions are going to taint them as well, and is likely going to permanently damage their status in the industry. While it's certainly possible that it could all blow over after a while (i.e. the DBSK split, the KARA fiasco, etc.), this situation could possibly lead to the demise of T-ara if CCM doesn't clean up its act soon. Considering how judgmental Korean society can be, particularly the Kpop idol fanbase, I wouldn't be surprised if they never let it go. This basically summarizes my viewpoint as well. I just don't have the rhetoric to phrase everything as precisely as you did. I like you. Thank you. | ||
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giesecke
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wtf is going on here | ||
XaI)CyRiC
United States4471 Posts
On August 01 2012 03:02 Purpl3 wrote: Can you tl;dr that? It's just opinion and not essential reading by any means. If it's too much text, then just move on past it. | ||
Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On August 01 2012 03:08 giesecke wrote: wait what, did i just read that hwayoung apologized ? wtf is going on here I think it was posted, but here's the tweet: + Show Spoiler + Fans, thank you for showing so much love even though I have only given you disappointment. I want to stop now (or vice verseley: Please stop now). From now on I will show a much more mature and brighter self. Please look forward to it. I apologize for making you worry during this time and I want to apologize to the CCM family. I will come back a better person. On one hand, it just sounds like she's apologizing for making a fuss and getting the fans worked up, on the other, it kind of sounds like she's apologizing to CCM and promising to go back and do better. I never really had a stake in this, but my comprehension was more towards the former, but who knows. | ||
ASie
United States777 Posts
On August 01 2012 03:08 giesecke wrote: wait what, did i just read that hwayoung apologized ? wtf is going on here Holy shit. I looked it up when you said that, and sure enough there's a story on this. Hwayoung's Apology? Also, apparently a picture of her entering CCM building before her tweet: + Show Spoiler + And last but not least: Original tweet Edit: Was this mentioned before? If so, my bad guys. Man catching up on all those posts didn't seem to work out so well for me then... Edit2: On August 01 2012 03:13 XaI)CyRiC wrote: Guys, the apology and picture were just posted. I don't like to give people too much grief over reposting content since the thread moves so fast, but that stuff is pretty recent. My bad. Now I don't know what to do with this dumb post because I can't delete it. | ||
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Waterhaak
Netherlands525 Posts
801 + Show Spoiler + Happy Birthday Tiffany I haven't posted for a while and this will probably be my last post I will make. Today we celebrate the birthday of a girl that is very special to me, and I will use this day to say goodbye and say thank you. Partially thanks to this girl I have changed a lot, and have been able to find what I want. Although I am saying goodbye and leaving this oh so fun but crazy live, I will never forget. I was able to meet a lot of nice people, some of them from this thread. Thank you to the great people I got to know. Thank you for helping me, having fun together and making jokes together. I am sure we can stay friends, and perhaps we will meet (again) some day. | ||
nichlion
United States265 Posts
I've always been a fan of him on YouTube didn't realize he was Korean at first, lol. YG FAMILY2NE1x정성하 콜라보 'I love you' + Show Spoiler [Not a YouTube link] + IIRC, when he played for Narsha's version of Ra. D's I'm in Love he said he was a 2NE1 fan. He must be very happy! | ||
hyszlan
Sweden100 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + real airport fashion + Show Spoiler + | ||
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HaXXspetten
Sweden15718 Posts
On August 01 2012 03:23 Waterhaak wrote: 801 + Show Spoiler + Happy Birthday Tiffany I haven't posted for a while and this will probably be my last post I will make. Today we celebrate the birthday of a girl that is very special to me, and I will use this day to say goodbye and say thank you. Partially thanks to this girl I have changed a lot, and have been able to find what I want. Although I am saying goodbye and leaving this oh so fun but crazy live, I will never forget. I was able to meet a lot of nice people, some of them from this thread. Thank you to the great people I got to know. Thank you for helping me, having fun together and making jokes together. I am sure we can stay friends, and perhaps we will meet (again) some day. Going out with a bang I see, dw you'll live in on in our hearts ...why are you abandoning us though? :/ + Show Spoiler + Relevant: | ||
Requizen
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On August 01 2012 03:30 unichan wrote: the kinds of people who like hwayoung must be the same as the ones who like lim If by "people who like Lime", you mean people who like cute, fun, and talented women? Then yes, I suppose, though I've never followed Hwayoung enough to have an opinion about her. | ||
HaXXspetten
Sweden15718 Posts
On August 01 2012 03:30 unichan wrote: the kinds of people who like hwayoung must be the same as the ones who like lim Come on, like she hasn't been through enough these days, but that's just insulting to Hwayoung | ||
XaI)CyRiC
United States4471 Posts
On August 01 2012 03:34 Requizen wrote: If by "people who like Lime", you mean people who like cute, fun, and talented women? Then yes, I suppose, though I've never followed Hwayoung enough to have an opinion about her. + Show Spoiler + Pretty sure the reference was to Lim of Wonder Girls, not Lime. | ||
nichlion
United States265 Posts
I like Lim, but I miss Sunmi. | ||
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