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On July 05 2012 14:59 Release wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2012 13:46 Hapahauli wrote:On July 05 2012 13:23 Khorrus wrote:
Sorry I'm a bit late. I notice I seem to have already missed sex toys and what looks to be the beginning of some mini bandwagons.
While I can't quite determine what's going on with the YourHarry, Hopeless Situaation, Lazermonkey's post seems off many words to flip flop and not say much of value. You've just posted a list of four names while saying nothing of value yourself. Rather scummy behavior. That's just grasping at straws, which is one of the reasons Lazer is my top priority lynch. And as far as i can tell, he hasn't even had a thorough reading of the thread yet. way too over-eager to point out every little flaw.
Exactly what has Lazer done to be a "top-priority lynch?" According to your filter, you have two posts detailing cases against Lazer. The first is an analysis of his first post:
On July 05 2012 08:58 Release wrote:I think YourHarry is Grush's new alias. Show nested quote +On July 05 2012 06:39 Lazermonkey wrote:
YOYO GUYS. I AM Vanilla Townie
On a more serious note, we want this ship rollin' as fast as possible. Discussing policy is not scumhunting but it does at least help us get the discussion going. First off, something we want to avoid as town is Vanillas claiming blue roles. In both my last game and Newbie Mini Mafia XVIII there were Vanillas who claimed blue roles(DTs). Both times town ended in an bad spot (although not as bad as it could've been due to luck). But this should still be avoided at all costs as it can cause massive damage to town. Why? Well let's say a vanilla townie claims DT, and then the real DT claims because the vanilla is lying. As it doesn't make sense for vanillas to claim blue roles, we must assume that one of theese players is scum and the other one is the real DT.Two following scenarios can occur here
1). The townie gets lynched. which means that the other person is probebly the real DT, this must however not be true.
2). The DT gets lynched, which means that the vanilla townie will 100% get lynched the next day.
While 2 is far worse than 1 they are still both very bad for town. There really isn't a situation you want to fakeclaim as a townie. If you don't agree with this please let me know. If noone disagrees I will assume that no townie is ever fake claiming a blue role. Obviously there are situations where you might want to claim as blue.
I will also copy a part of my first post from my last game(where I was DT) since I am lazy.
Regarding lynches: I really really dislike nolynching for three reasons.
1. because the information that we are able to get out of it is very limited. Yes, we avoid a potential misslynch but on the other hand scum will score a more or less a free-kill during night. Essentially, we are back on D1 but this time we are in a 6-2 instead of a 7-2.
2. If we agree to nolynch then what is there to discuss? It's like asking for people to lurk even more.
3. With no vigilante in the game the only way we can win is to lynch scum. Kinda obvious but still.
We require 5+ votes in order to get a lynch done. With that in mind I hope that people are willing to vote for someone who isn't their top 1 scum. Obviously, if you REALLY don't think there is any chance that the person that is about to be lynched can be scum, then sure, don't vote him. But if it seems like your target hardly gets any votes and your second highest scumread is at 4 votes with 30 minutes untill deadline, then I think you should swap your vote onto him.
Lurkers!: There are two types of lurkers. The ones who doesn't post anything and the sneaky ones, who posts ALOT but nothing of value. The first category could either be bad town play or scum play. But the second category is almost exclusivly scum play. If you are a townie, speak your mind, don't make a super duper long post when you could've said it on just a few lines. Keep it simple. With that being said, post!
Ignoring the copy-pasted policy stuff for now, Why on earth did you even post that scenario stuff about a VT fake-claiming a DT or blue? There was absolutely no indication that anyone had even planned on that (especially considering you had the first post). If anything, you have just shown people something they can do (to the detriment of the town). And why go through the casework? It's just fluff and you know it. This is very much a post looking like a contribution, while being a non-contribution, or even an anti-contribution. Im pretty sure, again, that no one was even remotely close to voting in a way to force a nolynch. I love the bolded line; you could have kept this post simple and concise. But you decided to make it "super-duper long." ##vote: LazermonkeyYourharry, you should do more than OMGUS. You are definitely rivaling, for scumminess, against lazer. Fos: yourharry
Fos: lazermonkey
It's worth saying that Lazer's first post was made 12 minutes after the game started. I'm not sure when the mafia separate forum-thingy goes online (at the start of the game or when the role PM's are sent out?,) but his message seems innocent and hardly "an attempt to brainwash unsuspecting townies" - as you call it in a later post. Him warning about townie fake-claiming is a legitimate concern, as it led to the downfall of the town in one of his previous games. While this may seem common-knowledge to the both of us, it is clearly not obvious to some players, and thus is worth mentioning.
While I agree his post is "fluffy," it does not seem like an attempt to "brainwash" townsfolk, and his actions can be seen as having a pro-town mentality. This is hardly FOS material.
Your second case against Lazer is a response to his case about JingleHell.
On July 05 2012 11:08 Release wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2012 09:54 Lazermonkey wrote:I'm getting suspicious of Jingle. On July 05 2012 06:43 JingleHell wrote:
So, since Lazer already opened with the pre-requisite long-winded "Please don't lynch me" post, I'd feel silly making a similar one, so instead, I'm going to open by asking Evulrabbitz why his name references a sex toy. After that question, of course, it suddenly feels awkward, but unless he can answer it well, FoS Evulrabbitz 1st post. Instead of commenting on my post he starts to ridicule it, effectivly killing discussion about it. Instead he is the first one to start shit up the thread with sex-toy w/e. Also, instead of posting his own reads he says I'd feel silly making a similar one which doesn't make any sense at all. I'd much rather have a post about your thought's on scum hunting rather than sex toys. At least when we are playing mafia... The next couple of posts he is effectivly fills half the thread with his talk about Evul being a perv and what not. On July 05 2012 07:56 JingleHell wrote:
Well, Hopeless, since you're at least talking, I don't think you're scum yet. However, if day1 lurkers start causing trouble, I'm all for just throwing the dice and lynching one just to make a clear point.
Also, just as wonky meta, compared to your D1 play in XIX, I'm pretty sure you're town here. You're not afraid of prolific D1 posting, among other things.
Actually, I'm VERY suspicious about YourHarry's lightning fast vote. Could be a throwaway effort to get a bandwagon started, since D1 voting is nonsense in newbie games. In the case of a mislynch, it would be easy to argue away. If you would write this as a first time player I could be somewhat cool with it. But you are not. We want to lynch scum, not lurkers. And we absolutly don't want to roll the dice. And I really don't see how you are very suspicious about the vote. There were ~50 hours untill deadline when he threw the vote. How is this even close to start a bandwagon? Like wtf? On July 05 2012 08:05 JingleHell wrote:
EBWOP: And Harry, don't try to turn my logic around on me, my vote was based on your suspicious vote.
Your quote on Hopeless wasn't what I'd call a real reason to vote for someone who's at least being active, and not particularly suspicious.
Voting for him that way makes you look scummy, considering you've said nothing of real substance yet. But at this point you only had one minor post of substance as well. On July 05 2012 08:13 JingleHell wrote:
I couldn't care less how many games you've played on mafiascum. As it turns out, in newbie games on TL, D1 bandwagons have a tendency to be lethal, particularly if there's no substance to the case to defend against. As such, it's better to target someone who's being either actively or passively useless, not somebody who's at least jumping into the deep end.
In particular, compared to his play in a different game, where he seemed painfully scummy, Hopeless1der seems like he's heading for direct contribution. I don't get this post. I may be missunderstanding this but if there is no substance to the case then why would that even be considered a case? And why on earth would someone ever get lynched by such a ''case'' On July 05 2012 08:13 JingleHell wrote:
I couldn't care less how many games you've played on mafiascum. As it turns out, in newbie games on TL, D1 bandwagons have a tendency to be lethal, particularly if there's no substance to the case to defend against. As such, it's better to target someone who's being either actively or passively useless, not somebody who's at least jumping into the deep end.
In particular, compared to his play in a different game, where he seemed painfully scummy, Hopeless1der seems like he's heading for direct contribution. Once again, there is no threat of a bandwagon at all. Why do you keep saying that? What I find maybe most intresting is how you start the game by shitting up the thread and literally don't post a single usefull thing. When the first vote get thrown tho, You go ''WTF DUDE, VOTING IZ NOT COOL''. No, I agree that the reasoning behind the vote to begin with was verrrry vauge but I don't really see why you get so upset about it ESPICIALLY since it's not even on you. ##Vote JingleHell are you outing Jingle as your scumbuddy? or maybe trying to drag him down with you? YOU ARE SO CONFUSING. OMGUS. Why are you promoting your first post as a discussion starter? It isn't. It is an attempt to brainwash unsuspecting townies and get us talking about useless things. I commend him for shutting your down your post with this authority. If you are actually using the discussion of sex toys as a reason to call him scum, you really are just grasping at straws for lack of any real substance. In terms of day1, i don't think setting a tone on lynching lurkers is necessarily a bad thing. should we decide on lynching a lurker, the lurkers will feel a need to speak up in order to avoid getting the lynch. In other words, saying "let's lynch lurkers" promotes discussion. And "to make a point" states exactly that. "speak up or die." Jingle should probably reply to the next part, but as far as i can see, it goes - OMGUS OMGUS OMGUS ##vote -##vote x 10 - no discussion, the guy who got OMGUS'd has nothing to attack/defend. Checkmate. Turns out, he was VT o.O _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ That being said, Jingle has only made very light commitments and commented on very obvious/easy things. Lazer, you still look worse.
What ever his stance may be, he clearly took the time to read through JingleHell's post. He's also taking a firm stance against a player, and making a clear attempt at analysis (even if it is only day 1). You spend half your post talking about his first post, then address one of his points... then the rest I don't even understand.
You have very strong feelings about Lazer, care to solidify your case for him to be a "top priority lynch?"
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Are there coaches we can contact in this game? I saw that prplhz signed up to be a coach, and I'm wondering if you can list the players we can PM for questions on the front page.
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Apologies for the late entrance, but my time zone makes it a bit hard to post concurrently with the rest of you. First of all, I don’t think harry’s lightning fast vote is as terrible as you make it out to be jingle; town has shown that it can obviously think for itself without jumping on mindless bandwagons. However, I would like to ask you hapahauli, what exactly is wrong with an anti-bandwagon stance? We want to actually encourage people to post their reads and think before voting, not going with the flow of the thread, which is what mafia likes doing. I can’t think of any situation where bandwagoning helps town, much like fake claiming doesn’t help. Lazermonkey’s long first post is similar to jingle’s anti-bandwagon stance, no? I’ll have a look at the other points against him later, as it seems a few others are FOSing him, but I need to head out now and just wanted to clarify with hapahauli.
Also, Mackin seems to have completely dropped off with no significant contributions whatsoever, and we KNOW he was around during most of the discussion during this first 24 hours. Not too sure about the other lurkers yet obviously, but I know JieXian and I will have similar post timing (see NMM XVIII) because we’re only 2 hours apart.
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On July 05 2012 15:44 BassInSpace wrote:
Apologies for the late entrance, but my time zone makes it a bit hard to post concurrently with the rest of you. First of all, I don’t think harry’s lightning fast vote is as terrible as you make it out to be jingle; town has shown that it can obviously think for itself without jumping on mindless bandwagons. However, I would like to ask you hapahauli, what exactly is wrong with an anti-bandwagon stance? We want to actually encourage people to post their reads and think before voting, not going with the flow of the thread, which is what mafia likes doing. I can’t think of any situation where bandwagoning helps town, much like fake claiming doesn’t help. Lazermonkey’s long first post is similar to jingle’s anti-bandwagon stance, no? I’ll have a look at the other points against him later, as it seems a few others are FOSing him, but I need to head out now and just wanted to clarify with hapahauli.
Also, Mackin seems to have completely dropped off with no significant contributions whatsoever, and we KNOW he was around during most of the discussion during this first 24 hours. Not too sure about the other lurkers yet obviously, but I know JieXian and I will have similar post timing (see NMM XVIII) because we’re only 2 hours apart.
Hi Bass and welcome to the game!
My argument (re: anti-bandwagonning) is that it is more appropriate to take such a stance closer to the lynch deadline. I feel that taking such a strong policy early in the cycle stance can limit the amount of posts that players make. Players can post with less inhibition without such a stance in place, which makes for additional opportunities to make reads for townies (i.e, I may be discouraged from posting analysis on Mackin because I maybe seen as "bandwagonning" off of you). I'm all for this stance closer to lynch time, but it serves as nothing but an inhibition on posting this early in the game.
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I hate to do this but I'm realizing between work and unforseen trips over the next 2 weekends there's almost no way I'll be able to keep up with this thread. Any replacements would be most excellent.
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On July 05 2012 11:08 Release wrote:
are you outing Jingle as your scumbuddy? or maybe trying to drag him down with you? YOU ARE SO CONFUSING. OMGUS.
Why are you promoting your first post as a discussion starter? It isn't. It is an attempt to brainwash unsuspecting townies and get us talking about useless things. I commend him for shutting your down your post with this authority.
If you are actually using the discussion of sex toys as a reason to call him scum, you really are just grasping at straws for lack of any real substance.
No matter how bad a first post is, it is a discussion starter, no? And I don't even agree with it being bad because of reasons I've already staten at this point. And if my post is to get town to start talking about useless things, what is Jingle's post then? you can't possibly think that discussing policy or w/e is WORSE than discussing sex toys in a scum hunting perspective. And yes, I am using the fact that he and Evul to shit up the thread somewhat as a reason for my suspicion. Not only is he not scum hunting/discussing the game, he is also posting filler which makes it harder to read the thread.
On July 05 2012 11:08 Release wrote:In terms of day1, i don't think setting a tone on lynching lurkers is necessarily a bad thing. should we decide on lynching a lurker, the lurkers will feel a need to speak up in order to avoid getting the lynch. In other words, saying "let's lynch lurkers" promotes discussion. And "to make a point" states exactly that. "speak up or die."
Okay, this makes sense and I agree.
On July 05 2012 11:08 Release wrote:Jingle should probably reply to the next part, but as far as i can see, it goes
- OMGUS OMGUS OMGUS ##vote
-##vote x 10
- no discussion, the guy who got OMGUS'd has nothing to attack/defend. Checkmate. Turns out, he was VT o.O
First off, I strongly disagree with that the part you are refering to is based upon OMGUS. Instead of actually quoting what in the post you dislike you simply say it sucks... Way to go! Also you are spamming your own OMGUS at me, Still you are using my so called ''OMGUS'' against Jingle as an argument against me. Nice contradiction here.
Also what is your stance on Jingle? You've been wish-washy like hell on that...
On July 05 2012 11:08 Release wrote:are you outing Jingle as your scumbuddy? or maybe trying to drag him down with you? YOU ARE SO CONFUSING. OMGUS
On July 05 2012 11:08 Release wrote:- no discussion, the guy[Jingle] who got OMGUS'd has nothing to attack/defend. Checkmate. Turns out, he was VT o.O
On July 05 2012 11:08 Release wrote:That being said, Jingle has only made very light commitments and commented on very obvious/easy things.
All in the same post -.-
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Also, my suspicion against Jingle stands is it is now.
On July 05 2012 11:11 JingleHell wrote:
Yeah, you pretty much nailed my point, Release. I actually already explained it, but they're ignoring it and burying it with more of this nonsense, so I'm not feeling particularly inclined to get into a shouting match with them. If the town has the slightest chance in hell this game, then people will see the sense in the responses I've already made.
My light commitments and obvious easy comments are mostly because there's little to discuss without stooping to their level. If I don't play their game, and I don't want to get the bandwagon rolling violently over a towny, then the best thing to do is observe and respond, rather than letting myself get dragged into some OMGUS shouting match that only benefits scum. Cool, instead of commenting on my case, you let Release do it instead. And Realese didn't even defend you, he simply said he was MORE suspicious of me than of you.
On July 05 2012 11:41 JingleHell wrote:
So a me too post that contributes nothing while taking me out of context is supposed to make me nervous? Yawn.
The day1 voting reference was talking about people bandwagoning onto any case built on nothing, as I actually discussed. Which you completely ignored. It's like you dug through 20% of my filter and ignored all the inconvenient parts. You sound like Lazer's pet parrot.
Like I said, if people D1 lynch me based off bad jokes like you and lazer's posts, the town is doomed anyways. Instead of commenting on the post, you call it a joke. You aren't impressing me at all.
You are avoiding to answer my case. Why is that? If it is a bad case, surely you would be able to argue that way and tell what parts of the case is so bad.
Also please stop talk about XVIII and how bandwagon is bad for town. I don't care at all about XVIII, I care about this game. Yes bandwagons are bad for town but you don't need to say that 9000+ times. Also, as been said before, a bandwagon isn't started with 50-40 hours untill lynch. That's just you making things look much worse then it actually is.
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Un-FOS JingleHell
As I've taken some time to cool down a bit, I'm growing worried that this thread is going to turn into a giant post-bang between the four most active/reckless players on the thread so far (YourHarry, JingleHell, Release, LazerMonkey, and Me). Such a situation would be extremely harmful to the town and would let the Mafia sit in the shadows while we war over one another. Perhaps we can turn our attention to two suspicious posts by some lurkers in an effort to get them to speak up:
TMG26
His first post is rife with a desire to look helpless, lots of fluff, and indecision (my commentary is bolded).
+ Show Spoiler [First Post] +On July 05 2012 08:38 TMG26 wrote:
It's a 13 player game, and only 3 mobsters, so there is still a room for a litle mistake on day1
Megafluff, and downplaying the importance of day 1 reads
With a random vote on day 1 the probability of hitting scum is low, but missing wont be that dangerous, the question that i want to make is: With this low ratio of scum, does the nolynch becomes more or less viable?
I'm still a newbie in mafia games, thats one of the reasons of asking this questing
trying to look helpless
And sorry about my bad english, i'm not a native speaker
more helplessness
About what being happening here..
Lazer was not clear on what he said, Hopeless stated that, and yourHarry immidiatly voted Hopeless for that
So, in my opinion if we want to catch the scum we have to confront them, so i Hopeless did the right thing...But so did yourHarry, what i find funny was JingleHell jumping in to declare FoS on yourHarry
In my opinion Hopeless and yourHarry did almost same same thing
Note the language - "in my opinion" as opposed to saying it outright. Overly diplomatic and indecisive
My main suspects right now fall to yourHarry and JingleHell, because your acusations seammed more like a counter acusation after a "scum teammate" being acused
But is all still too light, a lot of people still havent spoken
Despite stating two suspects, immediately reverts to indecision
When JingleHell replies to TMG26's passive accusation, TMG is apologetic, passive, and does not address the issue (commentary bolded again).
+ Show Spoiler [Response to JingleHell's Defense] +On July 05 2012 08:47 TMG26 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2012 08:41 JingleHell wrote:
Wait, so my actual reasoning is supposed to be an OMGUS, and Harry's suggestion that 23% is gambling odds is only equally suspicious as my case?
When my case was based purely off of suspicious behavior, and my defense was based on the lack of substance, which was the grounds for my accusation? Not only does that not make any logical sense, it also feels like exactly what you just accused me of doing. Sorry, dont know what OMGUS is, i will search An apology... says he will search instead of just searching for the damn thing. Fluff.About the 23% odds, i didnt read that..... because of the time that it took me to type, i'll will make sure to check new replies before i post something that took a litle bit of time to type Does not address JingleHell and posts irrelevant information - "I'll make sure to read before I post..."
More fluff/half-hearted accusations.
+ Show Spoiler [Response to Harry] +On July 05 2012 09:02 TMG26 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2012 08:53 YourHarry wrote:
A. He thinks I am trying to mislynch. (False)
B. I am not participating in case based on substantial evidence (True, but not my fault probably) Thanks for the welcome A: We cant know for sure what you are trying to do, a statment like "i'm not trying to mislynch" is worth notting... scum wont say they are trying to mislynch B: Well, there no eveindence that he wanted to start a bandwagon, there was only a acusation of lazer's contradiction, BUT you told us what you tought about it... thats your opinion, so its recorded nowWhat?! What's even the point of that.What i believe he condemns you most is for the "early" vote... And then you came with the odds not being bad..................... Further indecision
Makes another overly diplomatic/indecisive/fluff post that points suspicions to JingleHell and Harry
+ Show Spoiler [Another Diplomatic/Accusatory Post] +On July 05 2012 10:49 TMG26 wrote:
Even if it is Plurality Lynch, there's still 40 hours left
And its again funny to see that Hopeless jumped on your defence... After you had already voted harry after harry voted hopeless
In my mind, you and harry are the prime suspects..but only a few hours have passed, and i dont want to jump into bad conclusions
Mackin
I have less of a case on Mackin, but his first post is very very suspicious.
Inaccurate/Bandwagon post on LazerMonkey.
+ Show Spoiler +On July 05 2012 07:06 Mackin wrote:
Hey guys, just putting it out there Lazer is already on my FoS list and we're only just beginning, long contradictory post with almost too much effort put in. Underlined part is simply not true. The post only has one contradiction, and it isn't very long. Criticizing someone for putting "almost too much effort" into posting is a huge red flag. This sounds like someone who saw someone's criticism of a lone contradiction and immediately jumped on the bandwagon without any analysis. Very anti-town mentality.
His next few posts are comprised of one-liners and fluff:
+ Show Spoiler +On July 05 2012 07:17 Mackin wrote:
HellJingle, that's an interesting name... On July 05 2012 07:28 Mackin wrote:
On July 05 2012 07:22 Hopeless1der wrote:
Mackin give the poor guy a chance, he's just a little excited I think. I just wanted to give him a heads up so he checks his posts more carefully, that way we can narrow down our scum lists earlier rather than later.
Fair enough point, but I just want to stir up some conversation to get people talking. Ain't that what Mafia's all about?  [B]On July 05 2012 07:56 Mackin wrote:
@Harry We have a clever one here methinks.
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EBWOP: Make that the 5 most active players... I can't count x_x
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YourHarry, everyone - Please make sure your votes/unvotes are in bold, or they will not be counted.
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Some good analysis there Hapa. Although I can't really contribute anything on Mackin as his filter is just that long. I only find the first post of him to be intresting tho. I don't agree with my post be contradictory which I have already said a dozen of times. Yes, I did use bad wording but that's about it. Also look at the timing. Basically echoing what Hope had already said at that point. The other posts from him is indeed fluff, which is at best bad town play.
As for TMG I wouldn't even call him a lurker, at least not in comparison to some other players *hint*. His posting has in fact been okay given that we have only played for <24 hours. But looking at his posts he has for sure being suuuper safe with his posting. He is really afraid of calling anyone scum. Going back and forth never taking a clear stance anywhere. The prime example: On July 05 2012 08:38 TMG26 wrote:
Lazer was not clear on what he said, Hopeless stated that, and yourHarry immidiatly voted Hopeless for that
So, in my opinion if we want to catch the scum we have to confront them, so i Hopeless did the right thing...But so did yourHarry, what i find funny was JingleHell jumping in to declare FoS on yourHarry
In my opinion Hopeless and yourHarry did almost same same thing
My main suspects right now fall to yourHarry and JingleHell, because your acusations seammed more like a counter acusation after a "scum teammate" being acused
But is all still too light, a lot of people still havent spoken
So harry did the right thing.
Then he is still your prime suspect
Then it's all still too light, a lot of people still havent spoken.
Note the massive indecisiveness. Why do you care? You are fully capable to take on stance on Harry before everyone have posted. You are testing waters here instead of taking a bold stance.
Overall Mackin is kinda null for me although with the slightest scum vibes due to his first post. I consider him a lurker atm and he really needs to post more before I make a clear read. TMG on the other hand i feel is playing in a very anti-town way. I'd say he is my number 2 scumread after Jingle atm.
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Hapahauli, I think you're digging a little too deep into TMG26's posts to find scummy behaviour.
On July 05 2012 08:38 TMG26 wrote:
It's a 13 player game, and only 3 mobsters, so there is still a room for a litle mistake on day1
Megafluff, and downplaying the importance of day 1 reads
With a random vote on day 1 the probability of hitting scum is low, but missing wont be that dangerous, the question that i want to make is: With this low ratio of scum, does the nolynch becomes more or less viable?
I'm still a newbie in mafia games, thats one of the reasons of asking this questing
trying to look helpless
And sorry about my bad english, i'm not a native speaker
more helplessness
About what being happening here..
Lazer was not clear on what he said, Hopeless stated that, and yourHarry immidiatly voted Hopeless for that
So, in my opinion if we want to catch the scum we have to confront them, so i Hopeless did the right thing...But so did yourHarry, what i find funny was JingleHell jumping in to declare FoS on yourHarry
In my opinion Hopeless and yourHarry did almost same same thing
Note the language - "in my opinion" as opposed to saying it outright. Overly diplomatic and indecisive
My main suspects right now fall to yourHarry and JingleHell, because your acusations seammed more like a counter acusation after a "scum teammate" being acused
But is all still too light, a lot of people still havent spoken
Despite stating two suspects, immediately reverts to indecision
The first line which you call "megafluff" is just that: one line. If the majority of his post was like this then calling it megafluff is warranted, but he moves straight onto the game afterwards. I also don't think that him stressing that English is not his first language is scummy; it's a legitimate concern in a game that is based entirely on how you express yourself in text, he obviously doesn't want to misrepresent himself. I don't think we should hold these things against him. However...
What we should be concerned about is the post already quoted above, and this one:
+ Show Spoiler +On July 05 2012 09:02 TMG26 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2012 08:53 YourHarry wrote:
A. He thinks I am trying to mislynch. (False)
B. I am not participating in case based on substantial evidence (True, but not my fault probably) Thanks for the welcome A: We cant know for sure what you are trying to do, a statment like "i'm not trying to mislynch" is worth notting... scum wont say they are trying to mislynch B: Well, there no eveindence that he wanted to start a bandwagon, there was only a acusation of lazer's contradiction, BUT you told us what you tought about it... thats your opinion, so its recorded now What i believe he condemns you most is for the "early" vote... And then you came with the odds not being bad.....................
Are basically summarising what has happened, and add very little in terms of original content.
There is also this line which you missed hapahauli:
With a random vote on day 1 the probability of hitting scum is low, but missing wont be that dangerous, the question that i want to make is: With this low ratio of scum, does the nolynch becomes more or less viable?
Missing mafia and hitting town is not dangerous?
TMG, I'd also like an explanation of this post:
On July 05 2012 10:49 TMG26 wrote:
Even if it is Plurality Lynch, there's still 40 hours left
And its again funny to see that Hopeless jumped on your defence... After you had already voted harry after harry voted hopeless
In my mind, you and harry are the prime suspects..but only a few hours have passed, and i dont want to jump into bad conclusions
I don't quite understand. So you think that hopeless and jingle are mafia because hopeless defended jingle, but jingle and harry are actually your prime suspects? I'd just like this point clarified.
All in all, TMG is my strongest read so far. Should he start posting more original content and adequately address the concerns I have raised with him in this post, I am willing to let him off the hook. There are after all 4 people who either haven't posted at all, or stopped posting when the discussion turned serious, and 1 person who has asked for a replacement.
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Lazermonkey, you realise you are contradicting yourself in your post regarding TMG?
+ Show Spoiler +On July 05 2012 21:09 Lazermonkey wrote:Some good analysis there Hapa. Although I can't really contribute anything on Mackin as his filter is just that long. I only find the first post of him to be intresting tho. I don't agree with my post be contradictory which I have already said a dozen of times. Yes, I did use bad wording but that's about it. Also look at the timing. Basically echoing what Hope had already said at that point. The other posts from him is indeed fluff, which is at best bad town play. As for TMG I wouldn't even call him a lurker, at least not in comparison to some other players *hint*. His posting has in fact been okay given that we have only played for <24 hours. But looking at his posts he has for sure being suuuper safe with his posting. He is really afraid of calling anyone scum. Going back and forth never taking a clear stance anywhere. The prime example: Show nested quote +On July 05 2012 08:38 TMG26 wrote:
Lazer was not clear on what he said, Hopeless stated that, and yourHarry immidiatly voted Hopeless for that
So, in my opinion if we want to catch the scum we have to confront them, so i Hopeless did the right thing...But so did yourHarry, what i find funny was JingleHell jumping in to declare FoS on yourHarry
In my opinion Hopeless and yourHarry did almost same same thing
My main suspects right now fall to yourHarry and JingleHell, because your acusations seammed more like a counter acusation after a "scum teammate" being acused
But is all still too light, a lot of people still havent spoken So harry did the right thing. Then he is still your prime suspect Then it's all still too light, a lot of people still havent spoken. Note the massive indecisiveness. Why do you care? You are fully capable to take on stance on Harry before everyone have posted. You are testing waters here instead of taking a bold stance. Overall Mackin is kinda null for me although with the slightest scum vibes due to his first post. I consider him a lurker atm and he really needs to post more before I make a clear read. TMG on the other hand i feel is playing in a very anti-town way. I'd say he is my number 2 scumread after Jingle atm.
The bolded sections highlight your contradiction. You're doing what you are accusing him of doing no?
So harry did the right thing.
Then he is still your prime suspect
Except it's "so TMG is posting ok, then is is still playing very anti-town".
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EBWOP:
"So TMG is posting ok, then he is still playing very anti-town"
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No, that's not what I meant.
Hapa seemed to think that TMG is a lurker which i didn't agree with. His posting has in fact been okay given that we have only played for <24 hours. refers to the fact that the lenght of his filter isn't too bad. However I explain in my post that the content in is post is scummy.
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EBWOP: So if it wasn't clear enough, I am suspicious of TMG, but no beacuse of his filter lenght!
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I do wish we could stop looking at Lazer's first post as "contradictory". Actually, for that matter, I wish we would leave alone all the initial burst of posting, the entire purpose is to get people talking, which was accomplished. Frankly, I don't think Lazer's first post felt scummy, because while it was only very basic, it was an effort to do the same thing I accomplished by bringing up sex toys. I've just discovered that something meaningless works better.
Instead of cluttering things up, I'll just say that Bass and Lazer's analysis on TMG sounds good, and I'll be interested in seeing what he has to say.
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Yes I get you now Lazer. I actually have to head off to bed now for an early morning, so I'll be leaving for now. Eager to see what people come up with now that the Jingle vs YourHarry debate has been settled, and how TMG responds.
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On July 05 2012 16:37 Lazermonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2012 11:08 Release wrote:
are you outing Jingle as your scumbuddy? or maybe trying to drag him down with you? YOU ARE SO CONFUSING. OMGUS.
Why are you promoting your first post as a discussion starter? It isn't. It is an attempt to brainwash unsuspecting townies and get us talking about useless things. I commend him for shutting your down your post with this authority.
If you are actually using the discussion of sex toys as a reason to call him scum, you really are just grasping at straws for lack of any real substance. No matter how bad a first post is, it is a discussion starter, no? And I don't even agree with it being bad because of reasons I've already staten at this point. And if my post is to get town to start talking about useless things, what is Jingle's post then? you can't possibly think that discussing policy or w/e is WORSE than discussing sex toys in a scum hunting perspective. And yes, I am using the fact that he and Evul to shit up the thread somewhat as a reason for my suspicion. Not only is he not scum hunting/discussing the game, he is also posting filler which makes it harder to read the thread. Show nested quote +On July 05 2012 11:08 Release wrote:In terms of day1, i don't think setting a tone on lynching lurkers is necessarily a bad thing. should we decide on lynching a lurker, the lurkers will feel a need to speak up in order to avoid getting the lynch. In other words, saying "let's lynch lurkers" promotes discussion. And "to make a point" states exactly that. "speak up or die." Okay, this makes sense and I agree. Show nested quote +On July 05 2012 11:08 Release wrote:Jingle should probably reply to the next part, but as far as i can see, it goes
- OMGUS OMGUS OMGUS ##vote
-##vote x 10
- no discussion, the guy who got OMGUS'd has nothing to attack/defend. Checkmate. Turns out, he was VT o.O First off, I strongly disagree with that the part you are refering to is based upon OMGUS. Instead of actually quoting what in the post you dislike you simply say it sucks... Way to go! Also you are spamming your own OMGUS at me, Still you are using my so called ''OMGUS'' against Jingle as an argument against me. Nice contradiction here. Also what is your stance on Jingle? You've been wish-washy like hell on that... Show nested quote +On July 05 2012 11:08 Release wrote:are you outing Jingle as your scumbuddy? or maybe trying to drag him down with you? YOU ARE SO CONFUSING. OMGUS Show nested quote +On July 05 2012 11:08 Release wrote:- no discussion, the guy[Jingle] who got OMGUS'd has nothing to attack/defend. Checkmate. Turns out, he was VT o.O Show nested quote +On July 05 2012 11:08 Release wrote:That being said, Jingle has only made very light commitments and commented on very obvious/easy things. All in the same post -.-
discalimer: i've only read up to this point:
A "discussion-starter" that is used to talk about useless information/ideas can be very detrimental to the town. If that discussion starter actually caught some serious traction, we may have ended up spending ~24 hours talking about VTs claiming as blues and blues claiming, and whatnot.
If you actually think the discussion about sex toys is designed to shit up the thread, i don't know what to say. It's maybe a page long, it shut down your attempt (in an awkward fashion), and he hasn't tried to rehash it once it died off
That OMGUS vote x 10 is a completely hypothethical scenario. I was using it to explain why there should be a case to support a vote. The closest thing to resemble this would be YourHarry's early play. It has nothing to do with you. Your getting defensive is not so justified.
My stance on jingle?
The first part was a joke about you.
The second one was a hypothetical scenario.
The third one expresses my view. And you forgot to include the part where i said he looks better than you.
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On July 05 2012 23:08 JingleHell wrote:
I do wish we could stop looking at Lazer's first post as "contradictory". Actually, for that matter, I wish we would leave alone all the initial burst of posting, the entire purpose is to get people talking, which was accomplished. Frankly, I don't think Lazer's first post felt scummy, because while it was only very basic, it was an effort to do the same thing I accomplished by bringing up sex toys. I've just discovered that something meaningless works better.
Instead of cluttering things up, I'll just say that Bass and Lazer's analysis on TMG sounds good, and I'll be interested in seeing what he has to say.
This is kind of interesting
You defend Lazer and try to downplay the importance of first posts (despite Lazer calling his own post bad).
Absolutely not. If his post caught traction, we would waste lots of time. Your post did catch traction, but we hardly wasted any significant amount of time. Something meaningless works better than what he did because we know it's not serious. You know it, i know it, he knows it, but he chose to choose something "significant."
TMG looks rather shit, but if his english actually sucks, then we have a serious problem.
Lurkers speak up now. I will lynch you if Lazer is not a serious contender.
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