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On June 18 2012 09:25 Radfield wrote:
You feel fairly strongly that Greymist is Town Gonzaw?
Well...no, not as strong as you. But if we just go with a process of elimination then yeah I think he's town.
However, if I have to guess yeah he's town. His play is not so strong, he's wishy washy at times, only asks questions, doesn't take firm stances, etc and those things are what make me slightly suspicious of him.
But then there's the fact that he's active in almost every conversation, the fact that he seems to care what's going on even if he doesn't comment much on it.
Also, even though his case against Rad was kind of bad on D3, his discussion with you and unvote seemed genuine. If he was scum then he had all the chances in the world to push for your misslynch instead of Palmar, or for someone else (WIggles perhaps). He was too inactive last day to be scum, before and after I made my case against Palmar. I think if he was scum he'd either try to push someone else's lynch to save Palmar...or just straight bus him from the start.
Granted....when I made my initial case against him on D1 Palmar came to his rescue almost instantly by discrediting my case and diverting attention towards MZ....but I don't know if that's too damning or not.
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Radfield
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Prplhz looks like scum from his filter. He's pushing fairly clear mafia objectives(arguing against a Palmar lynch, pushing me as scum for being alive, pushing Gonzaw as scum/sk), until he finally decides to shift gears and hop on the bandwagon.
If he went down to the wire with his read and didn't vote Palmar, I would see what you mean. But his complete turn-around post looks like he decided Palmar was toast, and needed a reason to jump on board.
I'll have to recheck everyone else, but he looks like the lynch at the moment.
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Radfield what makes you think BB is town? Anything in particular?
The things I find damning is his total absence in N2 and most of D3. In D2 he was very active. Once I made my case against Hes he was always there to comment on it, or comment on the Rad issue, or argue against Palmar.
After N2 he basically disappeared....along with Palmar.. On D3 his only post was basically voting Palmar and being very confident Palmar was scum, even though he said that Palmar was most likely "Bill Murray townie" back in N1.
Basically, since N1 he was very inactive and had quite a change of heart regarding Palmar he didn't really explain at all. I found that even more damning.
Of course, not talking about his actual interaction with Palmar that for me seemed very off (what exactly makes you think he's town by that interaction?)
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Good job guys, I'll reread and have thoughts posted later. Busy atm.
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Radfield
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Let me re-look over BB, and I'll tell you my thoughts. The main feeling I've had is that his interaction with Palmar was genuine, and that it looked like he was putting in effort.
I just looked over Wiggles' last cycle or so, and I think he look not-scum. His reasoning on the prplhz situation is sound, and he was strongly pushing prplhz as scum(In addition to Palmar), and he's been strongly pushing Chaoser all game. I think Palmar including Wiggles randomly is meant to throw us off and think Wiggles might be scum. It's double WIFOM, but pretty standard really. I don't think he's scum.
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Radfield
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I'll check over BB in the morning actually.
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Wait.
Today it's 4-1-1 right? I'll most likely get shot (or maybe something weird happens and Grey/Rad get shot for some reason), making it 3-1-1 tomorrow.
If we lynch town, then it will be 2-1-1 on N4. These are the things that can happen:
- Scum shoot the SK, SK doesn't shoot:
It will be 2-1-1 on D5, which is basically a loss for town since both remaining factions have KP. There can be 3 lynches, a town lynch or a scum or a SK one. If there's a town lynch, then it will be 1-1-1, scum can't shoot the SK but the SK can. The SK shoots and hits scum for a 1-1 or 1 win, or the SK hits town for a 1-1 draw.
If there's a scum lynch, it's 2-1, SK shoots whoever and wins
So unless scum can get the SK lynched there, the SK will win (or if he's retarded and didn't figure out who's scum to shoot at worst he draws), or the scum won't be able to win. So this scenario heavily benefits the SK
- Scum shoot the SK, SK shoots scum:
It will be 2-1 on D5, LYLO for town and SK, SK can still win but scum will lose
- Scum shoot the SK, SK shoots townie:
It will be 1-1-1 on D5, stalemate and nobody wins.
- Scum shoot a townie, SK doesn't shoot:
Same as (3)
- Scum shoot a townie, SK shoots scum:
It will be 1-1 instant win for SK
- Scum shoot a townie, SK shoots town:
It will be a 1-1 draw between SK and scum
- The cases where SK shoots the same townie as scum are basically the same as if he didn't shoot, although he doesn't have his KP. This is very unlikely though
As you can see, if we lynch town tomorrow, it will be almost impossible for scum to win the game
So I think the scum will actively try to get the SK lynched tomorrow, because a misslynch on a townie is as bad for him as it is for us (if the scum didn't figure this out by now....hey now you know! Go catch the SK for us tomorrow okay?)
So again, like I said on N1-N2 I believe, pay close attention to what everybody does and who they push, since it can give us info about scum+SK.
Wiggles said that the SK could shoot a townie tonight. Just read what I put up there, if tomorrow we misslynch a townie (3/5 of remaining players) he basically has his win guaranteed; if tomorrow we lynch scum (1/5 of remaining players), then he'll arrive at a 3-1 D5 MYLO and have a pretty good chance to win as well.
Basically, the only thing the SK has to do tomorrow is avoid the lynch and he has very good chances of winning.
If he shoots a townie tonight, then it will be 2-1-1 on D4. Here, there are 3 things that can happen:
1)SK lynch: He loses. There is 1 less suspect than in a 3-1-1 D4 so it may be harder for him to survive it as well
2)Scum lynch:In this case it will be 2-1 for the whole N4 and D5. That's 2 cycles he has to hide his identity in a 2-1 LYLO. Not only that, winning in a 2-1 LYLO is more difficult than doing so in a 3-1 LYLO (like he would in one of those situations from above).
3)Town lynch:Then it will be 1-1-1 at N4, scum shoot the remaining townie and it's 1-1 (SK can't shoot the scum since he already shot) and it's a draw.
As you can see, if the SK shoots a townie tonight he'll considerably worsen his chances to win the game than if he doesn't shoot at all
(Of course he can shoot the scum tonight, but well that's good for us so I don't take it into account here)
Conclusions:
- The SK won't shoot a townie tonight if he's smart enough (I've already said this before when I argued with Wiggles), so speculation about this shouldn't be a deal (like Wiggles planned).
- Tomorrow the scum will most likely try to get the SK lynched
So I think tomorrow could be a good day, since we'll have 1 faction trying to lynch the other one, the other faction trying to get that faction lynched as well (he has to correctly identify and kill the scum in one way or another, so it's in his best interests to hunt for the scum at day as well, trying to look townie in the process and getting rid of his opposition in one go), and us having some idea of who could be scum or not.
What do you people think?
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Proposal to scum and SK:
To Scum:
What I want you to do is push for a SK lynch tomorrow and try to get him under as much pressure as possible. Of course don't fuck up and push someone you think is SK that ends up being a townie. Chill, relax, take some time off, reread the thread, and accurately pinpoint who's the SK okay? We can't really do that since we are trying to hunt your ass down as well as his, so it will be difficult for us to determine if someone is scum or SK, but you can catch him easier.
Why would I ask you this? Because the other alternative is for you to push for a townie lynch.
A townie lynch is bad for us, because we automatically lose.
A townie lynch is bad for you, because of the reasons I stated above.
To SK:
I want you to not shoot tonight, and to push for a scum lynch tomorrow.
Why not shooting? Because it's bad for both of us. If you shoot a townie, then we will likely lose, but you'll give scum a greater chance of winning (like I explained above)
Why push for a scum lynch? Because it will make you look better and make it easier for you to hide by being "pro-town" and stuff. You'll also get us rid of the scum, but you'll be in a 3-1 situation, which makes it easier for you to hide than in a 2-1 situation for instance.
Yes, I already said that if we misslynch a townie you have pretty good chances of winning......but think of it like this:
Yes, if you push a townie and we misslynch him, then you basically win....but if you push a townie and we don't misslynch him and lynch scum instead, you may look bad. Also we will try to catch the scum, and may have a good idea of who he is, so you going against the flow of things to try and get a townie lynched, while the other 2 factions won't (town wants to lynch scum, scum will try to lynch you) will make you stand out, and very likely out you as SK. Not only that, but scum will try to get you lynched. If you try to push a townie lynch, you'll give him more reason to FoS you and push your lynch, making you more vulnerable and likely to get lynched yourself.
I'm making this proposal because I know both of you want the other one dead, and town really, but really really wants you to accomplish said objective; so as long as you want to kill the other faction we'll help you all we can. Once you kill the other faction, well then it becomes a completely different game between us and you, but I'm sure you won't feel dishearted by that right? I'm sure you know that playing against 1 faction is easier than playing against 2 factions right?
Think about it....
Sincerely, Town
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On June 18 2012 09:09 gonzaw wrote:
BrownBear you should spend the rest of this night convincing me why we shouldn't lynch you tomorrow and who you think the remaining scum is.
prplhz, you should spend the rest of this night convincing everybody else why they shouldn't lynch you (you see, I'll most likely die tonight...and when I do everybody will want to lynch you), and contribute more.
I don't see you here BB.
I'd like to know something.....why were you so active on D2....yet so inactive on D3 and now? It wouldn't be about time-zones and you having to sleep/go to work/etc because it's only days apart but they happen at the same time (i.e you were active at a certain time in D2, therefore you would be active at that certain time in D3 72 hours later).
It was weekend so perhaps you had to go somewhere else...but you never stated that you would, so I am to assume that there wasn't something that really took off your time IRL.
You were pretty active on N1 as well...but completely absent on N2 (and what's left of N3). Same deal.
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I also think BB is scum mostly by process of elimination:
prplhz: I had a town read on chaoser for his behaviour on D1/N1, or at least a "non-scum" read. Prplhz' behaviour last day doesn't seem consistent with him being scum and knowing Palmar would die. If he was scum he'd know Palmar was going to be the lynch that day, so he'd try to bus him or heavily push another candidate to try to save him...he wouldn't basically resign and say "Yeah I think Palmar is town and Rad is scum...but I won't do anything". If he'd actually given up like that then perhaps scum itself would have resigned instead
Wiggles: Well, 2 reasons for this:
1)As Rad said, Palmar was going to be the lynch so his scumbuddy had to bus him and it would be the correct play. Wiggles trying to heavily lynch prplhz instead of Palmar and making his "plan" to do so would not have been a good scum play, because:
-If Palmar was lynched, he'd look really bad and would most likely be lynched soon
-If prplhz was lynched, he'd flip town (or SK if he was lucky), again making him look bad for taking the lynch off Palmar. If prplhz flipped town it would basically out him and Palmar as scum for the SK to shoot at and town to lynch later, if he flipped SK it would have not put him in a good place either.
Wiggles pushing for prplhz's lynch is consistent with what he's done all game too (even though he just seemed to tunnel chaoser ever since N1 >_> ).
2)The VE kill. VE was heavily pushing prplhz the night when he died....but I was the one telling everybody that Wiggles was going to be D3's lynch. Palmar was already under a little suspicion, I was basically "confirmed town" by that point (everybody thought I was town...or kind of SK but still they didn't think I was scum), so shooting me would be their best option. They get rid of an "obvious townie", a town influence, and someone that was on the right track since I was trying to do all my best to kill Wiggles, and they don't give town that much info.
If WIggles was lynched on D3, Palmar would know he would easily get caught and lynched later.
I said this already, but I think VE was killed because scum were comfortable. If Wiggles was scum, scum wouldn't be comfortable at all.
If prplhz was scum, I guess scum wouldn't be comfortable at all and decided to kill an "obvious town" that was trying to get prplhz lynched (VE), while leaving me alive in the hopes that I get Wiggles lynched.
However, see reasons above why I don't think prplhz is scum.
A Tale of 2 scum (speculation):
A Palmar+BB team would be comfortable as hell by N2. D3 would be LYLO, and Wiggles/prplhz were the only lynch candidates being discussed, with VE/Wiggles mainly pushing a prplhz lynch, and with me mainly pushing a Wiggles lynch. Killing me or VE would benefit them the most (we were considered town by many, we had great influence with town, and our deaths would give town the least info basically); so yeah they were comfortable enough to just kill whoever they decided.
Since I was pushing a Wiggles lynch more and influenced town even more, I guess they decided to keep me around and kill VE instead. That would incriminate prplhz, while I'd still be alive to go forward with a Wiggles lynch, so they'd have 2 lynch candidates under fire for a misslynch and subsequent win on D3.
I truly meant that what I said on D3 and that's what made me change my mind: scum were comfortable these past few days and that's what the night kills showed; and I think that if prplhz or Wiggle were scum they wouldn't have been so comfortable.
Anyways, what do you guys think of this? Do you agree with any of the points about Wiggles/prplhz I said above or not?
Again, these are other tiny-bits that make me think BB is scum.
Rad once you reread BB tell me your thoughts about this.
Hmm, I'd say Wiggles looks the best out of those 3 (although I can't really say anything for his behaviour alone, he just constantly disappears and appears again and makes those fluffy walls of text he always does and is very wishy-washy at times)
P.S: I'll still reread chaoser's filter later and prplhz as well (along with Wiggles). These are the thoughts I have right now and nothing is set in stone, this doesn't make BB the automatic D4 lynch or anything. Just want to put everything onto the table for analysis (and kind of play devils advocate as well, at least regarding prplhz) so we exhaust every option.
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On June 18 2012 07:53 gonzaw wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2012 07:23 GreYMisT wrote:
I think he could be either, I think he is scum before SK though just because he isn't playin it like I would. He has pretty much resigned himself to the town, even though it is palmar getting lynched. With this breathing room he should be helping more, but he chooses not too. You think he could throw that "I don't care you guys are better then me I give up I'll just sheep gonzaw" tantrum as scum? Like Rad said, at this point scum would likely bus Palmar and try to win on their own....prplhz doesn't seem to act like it (bussing Palmar by "sheeping" me and "going against his read" seems kind of odd for a bus). He also doesn't seem to act for his own survival if he was scum. He basically admitted he wouldn't do shit and he's playing like shit, etc; and I don't think I'd expect that of him as scum. If he was scum I'd expect him to push someone else (like Rad) and come up with reasons to cast doubt on him, etc to set up a misslynch on D4 that could win him the game. Or at least he'd try to defend himself a little bit more and be more cautious, specially since a lot of people want him dead. Yes, he could act like this as scum to confuse us or something, but I'm trying to see all possibilities here....and prplhz being town is one of them, so I want to be sure. Show nested quote +On June 18 2012 07:33 BrownBear wrote:On June 18 2012 01:12 Radfield wrote:On June 18 2012 00:57 BrownBear wrote:
I think Greymist is town because I haven't really been able to read through his filter, and don't have much of a read on him. I will do that.
Also gonzaw, don't try to play when you're drunk. Bad things happen. I'll wait for you to come back when sober and clarify what you meant by all of that. That's hardly a reason to see someone as town.... In fact, it's not! Well, yes. Hence why I said "I will go do that", implying I would go read his filter and decide. Until then, though, I see him as someone where I don't know if he's scum or not, hence, I make no accusations against him. Erm, duh. And gonzaw, I have an issue with direct attacks like calling someone "fucking useless". Saying someone is not contributing is a different matter. So I don't have an issue with what Palmar said, I have an issue with the way he said it (and frankly, I don't understand why we let him be as openly hostile as he is). Why did you just ignore Palmar on D2 even though he attacked you and you attacked him back? Show nested quote +On June 13 2012 12:24 BrownBear wrote:
Also, Palmar, srsly you think I'm scum every game. Find a new target to tunnel bro. Show nested quote +On June 13 2012 18:17 BrownBear wrote:On June 13 2012 10:49 Palmar wrote:
damn, I was all ready to lynch ace, guess I'll have to lynch intelligently now.
##Vote gonzaw
I think you're scum bro, what do you think about that?
also I told you, radfield is doubleconfirmed town. Couple things I'd like to see you talk about more here. Firstly, why do you think gonzaw is scum? Could you give us a case? Secondly, do you have any reason for thinking Radfield is town other than "he agrees with me"? If so, please say it. --- Anyway, I think Hesmyrr is who I'm gonna vote on now, before I go to sleep. gonzaw's case has a couple good points. Namely, during the first day cycle he really did only pop up when he was being talked about. This indicates he was reading the thread very closely, but trying to avoid actively posting in it - usually only done by players who have something to hide. Since this setup has no blues who benefit from obscurity, that casts some serious doubt on Hesmyrr. Secondly, Hesmyrr also is doing the same thing I accused Radfield of doing earlier: He's subtly getting other people to contribute in his stead. Example: On June 12 2012 07:07 Hesmyrr wrote:Hesmyrr, you pushed VE, you're obviously around as you posted an hour ago, yet you are not contributing at all to the lynch. Do you still think VE is the best lynch? Is anyone else on your radar? Pitch in. I was actually waiting for you to post the analysis regarding VE, since I couldn't find concrete argument to merit analysis post yet. Currently I find MZ lynch to be better than that of Palmar but I am not going to get stuck on black-white thinking; the fact that GreYMisT+VE have voted him is cause for concern which is why I am reserving my judgment until the last moment. Personally the interactions happened between VisceraEyes and you are making me extremely wary. He was the original guy to push VE, but he wants (i think) gonzaw to do the analysis? That's very strange. If he couldn't find enough concrete agruments to merit an analysis post, why does he expect another player to find it for him? Either he's very unsure about his analysis skills (not true, it's Hesmyrr, he's a veteran mafia player) or he doesn't want to post analysis out there himself. It's enough for me right now to vote for Hesmyrr. He and Radfield seem the most suspicious right now, and I think the case against Hes is slightly stronger, so... ##Vote: HesmyrrOne final thing: On June 13 2012 18:13 Palmar wrote:
VE shut up
##Vote BrownBear Cute. Now how about you contribute, like I said above. Why do you think I'm scum? Is it because I disagree with you? Because that's the only reason you've got so far. And it's a shitty reason, and I'm beginning to think you've just stopped giving a shit about this game and you aren't trying, which is unacceptable in a mini. Ok, I gotta get up in 6 hours, so I'm off. Night, all! You got pretty worked up in that 2nd quote. Even though it was a joke and was explained to you later, at that time you thought it wasn't, and you began attacking Palmar ("I'm beginning to think you've just stopped giving a shit..." , etc). However after the joke is "explained"...you never dwell on that again and keep ignoring Palmar until D3. Why is that? Why do you and Palmar take shots against each other on D2 but not act upon them? (well...Palmar did that because he's scum, but I'm asking about you). That whole "I FoS Palmar for a stupid reason. I get angry at him for a stupid reason as well and waste the whole D1 on it.But now I think he's town. Now I'm harrassing him and say he doesn't care about the game and take shots at him for thinking I'm scum. Now I forgot about that and never mention him again. Now he's obvious scum let's lynch him" act of yours seems weird to me
I knew I was jumping on Palmar at the slightest provocation because I was pissed at him still, so I felt like I needed to stop that before it became a distracting issue. Also, like I said earlier, I said even when I thought he was town, at best he was a cancerous town player who was contributing nothing but terrible ideas, and who should be ignored. Hence I ignored him.
He actually played a pretty good scum, and was really good at causing chaos on the first day. I wish I'd been more insistent about my squidgy stomach feeling day two, but at that point I was thinking "I don't want to keep being a dick to Palmar when he doesn't deserve it because I'm mad at him" so I distanced myself.
You are way off base with you thinking I am scum. I don't really know what sort of reasoning "process of elimination" is, because you can be off base with your town reads on people, and that doesn't automatically make me scum. That's terrible play. If you're ever down to people "by process of elimination" you really need to go back and read filters again.
And seriously, not all of us can be on TL all day. 7 hours in between posts was basically my entire work day today. Chillax on that.
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Now that I'm at it I'll post that "half-case" I was making against BB but left it unfinished (told you I'd keep it for later  )
This will be a huge wall of text that will have EVERYTHING I think of BB and why I think he's the last scum, so bear with me.
The hidden case against BrownBear:
On June 10 2012 15:04 BrownBear wrote:
however, we aren't gonna learn anything by just going 'lol rng'... without that argumentation, we can't get any reads on people, so we start day 2 as if it were day 1, except down one person - and logically, that person is most likely to be green.
i just don't think it's a good idea.
On June 10 2012 15:15 BrownBear wrote:
another thing i don't like is the idea of 'lets kill ace because he is best scum player in game'. ace is fantastic scum, but he's also very very competent town, so we're basically saying 'lets remove one of the best players in the game while he has almost no evidence against him, on the 3/11 chance he's working against us.' not like i have any better idea, i just think we should think and debate some more before we start throwing tons of votes around.
I find these 2 posts weird in the context of the thread.
I get the feeling he's trying to blend in by going the "pro-town" approach of dissing RNG and the "Ace policy lynch".
Like, yeah, one would agree with what he says, because it is "pro-town" (by the definition of the above).
But he's not contributing anything new, not even in the context of the discussion (he's not even proposing new ways to RNG, or proposing an alternative, etc).
He just complains and takes the easy way in his post.
Of course, this alone shouldn't be anything bad itself, Grey and MZ posted about not liking RNG too.
However Grey and MZ did try to add something new, or at least interact with other people from the discussion.
MZ did try to propose an alternative (trying to lynch Radfield for being "unRadfield" ), and Grey was at least discussing and actively asking people what the benefits of RNG were.
I don't see that with BB, I only see him posting some generic advice while detaching himself from the conversation.
He then makes the "spark discussion" post, but now I realize he said his internet was down afterwards, so even if he was eager to "spark discussion" he wouldn't be able to.
So that's null.
On June 11 2012 14:30 BrownBear wrote: Show nested quote +On June 11 2012 04:14 Radfield wrote:
Palmar, do you think that RNG lynching Day 1 gives town a better chance to win the game? Show nested quote +On June 11 2012 04:17 Palmar wrote:
And I didn't think you were dumb enough to not understand why and how. These two posts are enough for me to throw a preliminary vote on Palmar. I don't understand why he is witholding the information of why he exactly thinks RNG is giving town a better chance, and I in fact disagree with him for reasons stated above. Caveat, of course, is I haven't fully read past page 8, and have skimmed the rest due to time constraints so this may change. ##Vote: Palmar Internets are down, posting from a friend's house. They should be fixed tomorrow so I can post more then. On the bright side, new keyboard!
So, he votes Palmar (although not in the real voting thread), based on a bad reason. Palmar withholding information to town about the RNG has absolutely no bearings with him being mafia. Specially after he explained why he chose not to give said info.
He doesn't take anything else into account (about Palmar's behaviour, etc), and just decides to vote him on that reason alone.
Why the rush?
Why not comment on at least some other things? Like that thing you wanted to "spark discussion from"? (Which was about the Ace issue, and chaoser's relation to it).
On June 12 2012 05:10 BrownBear wrote: If you'll look back at page 14, I voted Palmar there, not realizing the voting thread exists. Way to try to direct attention away from yourself.
Overexageration and casting doubt on others
On June 12 2012 05:13 BrownBear wrote: Show nested quote +On June 12 2012 04:40 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I would not like a BB lynch simply because the last few games I've seen him play, he's posted a few times day 1 then been modkilled. iirc he's been town every single time so his inactivity isn't a tell. Wiggles I need to reread. Show nested quote +On June 11 2012 14:30 BrownBear wrote:
Internets are down, posting from a friend's house. They should be fixed tomorrow so I can post more then. On the bright side, new keyboard! Hope that answers your question. Sorry I haven't been too active.
I find odd that he apologizes about it. Him being absent is out of his control (his internet was down), why apologize?
Show nested quote +On June 11 2012 18:19 Palmar wrote:
@BrownBear, The information I withheld is crucial to the execution of the plan, as I explained above. You seem to be going after a pretty easy reason to lynch someone, is this because you're being lazy or cause you're scum? I hate plans that rely on "withholding information from town" because it casts doubt on the guy who's doing the withholding. Which would be you. It's great you have this awesome plan and all, but as far as I'm concerned, you could be scum trying to mislead the town, you could be a townie with good intentions but a shitty plan... any plan we take should be out in the open for people to discuss, dissect, and modify, because even the act of discussion around the plan forces scum players to come out into the open and argue against it (if it's a good plan) or for it (if it's a bad plan). The reason PMs aren't in this game is so that information stays in the thread. You're trying to keep us in the dark. For what reason? Also, you still haven't addressed the issues I have with the inherent shittiness of RNG lynches. If you did post about it and I missed it, could you enlighten me? Palmar, I get that you like to play aggressive and by your own rules, but everything you've done so far this game makes me suspicious of you. Not to mention you've insulted me directly several times. As far as I'm concerned you're a cancerous influence on this town, and we need to either lynch you, or decide that you're just frustrating townie and ignore you.
Like I said in my other "case", now he goes against Palmar, but only takes into account the RNG bit.
The thing I found weird was this:
BB reads up to page 8, finds Palmar scummy for some reason and "votes" him.
Palmar explains his reason for doing that
BB then catches up to the thread, yet the first thing he does is dwell on that "unfinished" accusation of his, and knowing his accusation was "unfinished" because Palmar hadn't responded about it, he now jumps on Palmar's explanation about it in the same way?
Like, he found Palmar scummy before, and now after Palmar explained himself he still finds him scummy...but it seems like he found him scummy like that since the beginning (which was not true since his accusation was baseless in the sense that he hadn't read Palmar's explanation about it first).
Of course, he still hinges on it when it's still a bad reason to vote for someone. He makes a whole post about it.
Again, he ignores other things that had happened in the thread, and just straight goes to attacking Palmar.
On June 12 2012 05:33 BrownBear wrote: Show nested quote +On June 12 2012 05:17 gonzaw wrote:
@BB: You've read the rest of the game right? What are your thoughts on grey, MZ, and Wiggles, and why would you want to lynch Palmar instead of those 3?
Why do you find Palmar suspicious because of some stupid RNG thing? Why don't you look at the cases that have been brought up in the thread?
You were the one that wanted to "spark discussion", yet now you are dampering it by continuing to argue about some useless RNG thing
I'll change my vote to you until then:
##Unvote: Greymist
##Vote: BrownBear You see, I'm not dampering discussion. I'm pointing out that Palmar is. I'm not sure why you don't understand this. Let me throw up a few examples. Show nested quote +On June 11 2012 06:14 Palmar wrote:
Just for the record, I think MZ failed already and I'd be willing to lynch him.
Piggybacking on Greymist's thoughts on RNG to express your own thoughts while making sure you're not the original argument for the idea is terrible.
Let's do this. Post contributes nothing. Great, MZ "failed" by agreeing with Greymist? How about you explain some more exactly why and how he failed? How about you provide a logical, well constructed argument about why Greymist and MZ are "wrong" rather than just say "welp, they don't agree with me, they fail, LYNCH LYNCH LYNCH". So instead of complaining about it, why don't you change it bro? Show nested quote +On June 12 2012 01:42 Palmar wrote:
I would have to re-read chaoser to form an opinion on him, Radfield has been fairly towny which is why I was annoyed at him for being thick. Too many people are just content with not doing anything though. "Thick" is not an accusation many would say about Radfield, particularly players who have actually played with him. There's a reason scum target him early on rather than let him play entire games. I think he's just as confused as I am - he wants to know your reasoning for supporting RNGs. I do too. Let's hear them? Show nested quote +On June 12 2012 02:03 Palmar wrote:
a) screw you for suggesting I'm not playing
b) I'm perfectly aware what you were responding to, that doesn't make what I said untrue. This is the response of someone who's actually worried that they look like they aren't playing. If Palmar were playing and were secure in this fact, why wouldn't he just link to a bunch of his earlier posts where he was playing and contributing? That would be a much more airtight defense than a simple "screw you". Also, Palmar's too smart to mistake the volume of posts he's posted for actual, meaningful contribution. He's posted like 25 times: I count maybe 2 or 3 of those that are actually useful to town. This is a classic scum tactic (I used it in Mafia XXX, if you're curious) where volume makes a player look active, while clever words or subtle rehashes of earlier topics disguise the fact that none of the posts have much meaningful substance to them. Show nested quote +On June 12 2012 03:45 Palmar wrote: On June 12 2012 02:15 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: On June 12 2012 02:03 Palmar wrote:
a) screw you for suggesting I'm not playing
b) I'm perfectly aware what you were responding to, that doesn't make what I said untrue. lol what you said is untrue. Direct quote: Now, about VisceraEyes, there isn't a case against him yet . So does hesmyrr not count? I await with baited breath for you to explain to me how it doesn't count... probably should add in a reference to how stupid I am as well eh? When I say "there isn't a case on X" it means that I don't think there is a valid case to be put forth against that person. For example BrownBear and Ace, while both completely fucking useless so far in the game, neither has a valid case against him. That won't change even if some internet warrior writes a "case" on them. Direct attack on me and Ace aside, isn't the point of mafia to build cases on people? A weak case is still a case, saying it isn't is stifling town discussion. If you think a case is weak, rather than dismiss it out of hand, you should maybe point out the weaknesses in it or the holes in logic. This builds town cohesion and stronger cases. Show nested quote +On June 12 2012 03:47 Palmar wrote: On June 12 2012 02:48 gonzaw wrote:
@Palmar: So, do you plan on commenting on this shit we've been doing these past few days or will you just try to live in your own little world up there?
Radfield is still disappeared...interesting. What is it that I should comment on? Can you stop being an asshole and acting as if I'm not playing the game wtf is this shit, I've commented on just about everyone and everything in the game, why do people keep saying I'm not playing. fuck off. Direct attack against another town player (gonzaw) trying to shut down a valid point: Palmar ISN'T PLAYING THIS GAME. He's trying to appear that he is, and he's trying to tie up town conversations he doesn't like by directly flaming the people making them, but he is not contributing anything meaningful of his own. Now, some people may say "oh, that's how Palmar plays lol" but that shouldn't be acceptable. Like I said earlier - his behavior is a cancer to the town. We need to either cut it out or ignore it.
What I see here is him being condescending on Palmar ("Isn't the point of town to make cases?", etc), and straight up attacking him.
To be honest, I could see him making a similar case as town too, it's not the case itself I'm worried about.
What I'm worried about is the timing. Again, he was without internet connection, he read the whole thread, but now he just starts to tunnel Palmar ignoring everything else that had happened.
Not only that, but he attacks him but doesn't even call him scum, he just calls him a cancer to town, and that may have been an exageration as well (Palmar certainly wasn't a cancer to town at that time):
As far as I'm concerned you're a cancerous influence on this town, and we need to either lynch you, or decide that you're just frustrating townie and ignore you.
Like I said earlier - his behavior is a cancer to the town. We need to either cut it out or ignore it
He also seems to imply that he doesn't actually think Palmar is scum...since he says "...or decide that you're just frustrating townie and ignore you".
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Post-Case: This does seem awefully like foreshadowing of what he does later...which is actually decide that Palmar is a frustrating townie and ignore him. Seems like an awful coincidence, but if it's a planned bus it makes sense for BB to plant the foundations for his switch on Palmar later.
If after he makes his change of heart about Palmar someone calls him out, he could always point out to that post and say "Well, I had a feeling he was a frustrated townie in this post here [shows post], see? My change of heart regarding Palmar makes sense"
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On June 12 2012 06:16 BrownBear wrote: Show nested quote +On June 12 2012 05:54 chaoser wrote:
I don't think palmar is trolling, if that helps. I think palmar is playing a pretty good game actually (not trying to buddy), I think you're misrepresenting his actions BB. I'm assuming you read through my argument and don't agree with it, which is legit, I'll admit I'm a little annoyed right now. However, I'd like to see some reasons why you think I'm misrepresenting his actions. Also, Hesmyrr, the reasoning is because MZ has posted a couple times: Show nested quote +On June 12 2012 04:21 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I'm really digging an MZ lynch as well. It's really uniting the town right now and as everyone knows, a bandwagon lynch is the best lynch. and Show nested quote +On June 12 2012 05:00 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: On June 12 2012 04:56 GreYMisT wrote: On June 12 2012 04:26 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
And for those people who are complaining that I am "not contributing," relax. We have like 24 hours or something. I've already stated that I would support a greymist lynch, if you people actually need me to write a massive "analysis" (although it may not count because Palmar hasn't ordained it) I will.
chill people. Unless I'm wrong we actually have 3 hours. what the fuck? like nobody has voted. Should I hammer myself? This is when people are starting to say "hey there's no resistance to MZ this is bad guys". I know Palmar got the ball rolling on that, but it's kind of out of character for him to not tunnel someone to death. At the time I posted this, the only person who was still supporting the MZ lynch (albeit sarcastically) was MZ - everyone else was either not supporting it or just didn't care.
He talks about the MZ wagon, but he doesn't take any stance on it.
Does he agree that MZ is scum? Or not? Would he be content with a MZ lynch or not?
He doesn't say; he only talks about the MZ wagon like some outside occurrence he that has nothing to do with him.
Afterwards he keeps on a flame war with Palmar just shitting up the thread.
On June 12 2012 11:33 BrownBear wrote: Still figuring that one out. I will post when I have a clearer picture. There isn't really a time crunch at the moment, so I hope you don't mind if I take my time during the night cycle and read carefully.
The only one he attacked or even commented on was Palmar, nobody else.
Now he backs off Palmar, and when asked about other scumreads he has none, but says he'll have a "clearer picture" later and read carefully during the night cycle.
The night cycle ended and he didn't find anything apparently. That's a false promise
My thoughts on BB's play from D2 onwards and his interaction with Palmar:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=341558¤tpage=42#834
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=341558¤tpage=43#843
A couple more things:
On June 13 2012 02:42 BrownBear wrote:Did I miss something, or did Ace and Radfield just both claim SK? ok, ok, i know that isn't true. Anyway... Show nested quote +On June 12 2012 19:17 Radfield wrote:
I assume what your insinuating is that me and Palmar are scumbuddies, or that I wanted to save him for some sort of underhanded reasoning. I can assure you that if I was scum and Palmar town, I would push any lynch on him I possibly could. Palmar, like no other player on this site, correctly ID's me by Night 1 pretty much every game we have ever played. Certainly he busted me in LOTR and Arkham 2, and was on my case in Closed Casket. No way I would save him, especially when I had already given myself plenty of reason to not vote Meapak. Something about this passage seems off to me. Radfield addresses ace's insinuation that he's scumteam with Palmar by talking about a hypothetical situation in which he isn't scumteam with Palmar... am I missing something, or does that smell kinda fishy to me?
I don't like the way he casts suspicion on Rad here, since it basically boils down to something that's weak and doesn't make much sense (Rad completely outting that he's scumbuddies with Palmar) that he blows out of proportion, and actually keeps going on with it on D2 as well.
Again, seems to cast doubt on Rad while having something to talk about to make it appear he's contributing.
Of course, we know Palmar is scum....so from a scum POV it makes sense to accuse Radfield of such...since if Palmar is lynched and flips scum, BB can always point out to that post and say "Hey, Palmar is scum, and in this post Rad implied he's scumbuddies with Palmar! I was right it was a scumslip, Rad is mafia! Let's lynch him"
He continues it here:
On June 13 2012 12:23 BrownBear wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2012 11:42 gonzaw wrote:
Okay, what do you think of Wiggles and BrownBear? (I don't think you ever mentioned your thoughts on BB yet)
Your case on me is without merit and awful. I posted this earlier, wondering what people think about it: Show nested quote +On June 13 2012 02:42 BrownBear wrote:Did I miss something, or did Ace and Radfield just both claim SK? ok, ok, i know that isn't true. Anyway... On June 12 2012 19:17 Radfield wrote:
I assume what your insinuating is that me and Palmar are scumbuddies, or that I wanted to save him for some sort of underhanded reasoning. I can assure you that if I was scum and Palmar town, I would push any lynch on him I possibly could. Palmar, like no other player on this site, correctly ID's me by Night 1 pretty much every game we have ever played. Certainly he busted me in LOTR and Arkham 2, and was on my case in Closed Casket. No way I would save him, especially when I had already given myself plenty of reason to not vote Meapak. Something about this passage seems off to me. Radfield addresses ace's insinuation that he's scumteam with Palmar by talking about a hypothetical situation in which he isn't scumteam with Palmar... am I missing something, or does that smell kinda fishy to me? I think Radfield is ducking something here...
On June 13 2012 15:44 BrownBear wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2012 12:53 Radfield wrote:Mafia just did us a favor  I like that mafia teams keep killing off good scum players. Off to bed, I'll post in the morning. BB, you're reading too much into that post. I was just explaining to ace that if I was scummily saving Palmar, the only option was for me and palmar to be scumbuddies, something he refused to just come out and say. Also, real quick, we have the same number of posts now, so ha And I see what you mean now. Still though, something about it weirded me out. If Ace were still alive, we could ask him to clarify, but he isn't, so...
On June 13 2012 17:19 BrownBear wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2012 16:02 gonzaw wrote:On June 12 2012 11:33 BrownBear wrote:On June 12 2012 09:39 gonzaw wrote:
So....who do you think is scum? Still figuring that one out. I will post when I have a clearer picture. There isn't really a time crunch at the moment, so I hope you don't mind if I take my time during the night cycle and read carefully. BrownBear, before doing anything....do you have the "clearer picture" yet? You promised to "take your time during the night cycle and read carefully"...I assumed you had done that in the night cycle, right? What did you conclude by then? I did not have time, unfortunately. With 72 hours to go at the time, I thought I would be okay not sacrificing sleep to get through the thread. I'm feeling like Radfield or Hesmyrr would be a good target. gonzaw already built a case against Hesmyrr that has some salient points (example: only appearing when his name comes up means he was reading the thread closely, but not contributing information unless he has to, which is a scum trait). I'm not 100% convinced yet because of hesmyrr's complete absence, but dude's got some 'splainin to do when he gets back. As to Radfield, I've mentioned a couple things about him that make me iffy, but one other thing I noticed. Take a look at a sampling of Radfield posts around lynch time and in the night after: Show nested quote +On June 12 2012 06:46 Radfield wrote:Rest assured, If you're still the scummiest player after I finish filtering, I will push you Happy You're right though, he really only been 'in your face' with Palmar, but that doesn't make it look like a show. Can you lay out for me in a clear and concise format why you think MZ is the best lynch today? Show nested quote +On June 12 2012 06:58 Radfield wrote:
Chaoser, I don't really see the Greymist case right now. I certainly don't see much wrong with his response to the Vanilla Town thing. What specifically do you see as the reasons for voting Grey? Show nested quote +On June 12 2012 07:42 Radfield wrote:On June 12 2012 07:33 Hesmyrr wrote:I actually wanted to let the conversation play out longer and see if it further justifies my doubts, but since I already wrote about VisceraEyes - Radfield connection I'll try my best to explain why I feel bad about these two, which started from here. His first three paragraphs reveal he feels wish-washy about MZ and I found it suspect how he was being conservative with his vote even at that situation, not voting for his current biggest scum-read. The tone of post is such that it makes him open for voting both, like Radfield will post his case and will let himself be "persuaded" by VisceraEyes so I wanted to gauge strength of the argument. Then VisceraEyes started picking up bunch of freebie townie points by talking about it with him. I guess I just didn't see reason Radfield would refrain posting his analysis at this critical juncture. He did fix most of the problems I had with him at time of this posting so I'll see how his argument turns out and determine whether to stick with VE depending on situation. I do have to leave for moment but I will be back in order to change my vote if needed. I don't get it. You were here before that conversation even started, yet were making no attempt to push VE. Also, are you insinuating that me and VE are scum buddies together? Show nested quote +On June 12 2012 18:43 Radfield wrote:
Wiggles, that's all well and good, but those posts are startlingly neutral.
Who would you have voted for yesterday. Who do you think is playing scummy. All of these posts raise questions, which are a good thing. However, the number of Rad's posts that raise questions is far greater than the number of posts that provide answers. This isn't scummy in and of itself, but it could be a way to hide a lack of contribution - you can say you're contributing by "provoking town discussion" by asking questions, but in actuality, you aren't contributing anything, which could be seen as a scummy action... Gah, I dunno. It's a ton of little things about Radfield's play this game that make me suspicious. But none of them are actually big enough for me to outright point at and say "this is good evidence for you being scum". I need to stop tunneling and look around some more.
Seems like a setup for a Radfield lynch (which would explain the Ace kill as well, specially when BB uses Ace's kill in his conversation with Rad).
He's wishy washy about both Rad and Hes, since he actually doesn't think there's enough evidence for thinking Rad is scum, and he says "I need to stop tunneling and look around some more". This seems inconsistent for a few reasons I'll say below (basically he completely forgets about Radfield later, which would mean he wasn't actually "looking around some more").
However the Rad lynch is not happening so he switches to a Hes one:
On June 13 2012 18:17 BrownBear wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2012 10:49 Palmar wrote:
damn, I was all ready to lynch ace, guess I'll have to lynch intelligently now.
##Vote gonzaw
I think you're scum bro, what do you think about that?
also I told you, radfield is doubleconfirmed town. Couple things I'd like to see you talk about more here. Firstly, why do you think gonzaw is scum? Could you give us a case? Secondly, do you have any reason for thinking Radfield is town other than "he agrees with me"? If so, please say it. --- Anyway, I think Hesmyrr is who I'm gonna vote on now, before I go to sleep. gonzaw's case has a couple good points. Namely, during the first day cycle he really did only pop up when he was being talked about. This indicates he was reading the thread very closely, but trying to avoid actively posting in it - usually only done by players who have something to hide. Since this setup has no blues who benefit from obscurity, that casts some serious doubt on Hesmyrr. Secondly, Hesmyrr also is doing the same thing I accused Radfield of doing earlier: He's subtly getting other people to contribute in his stead. Example: Show nested quote +On June 12 2012 07:07 Hesmyrr wrote:Hesmyrr, you pushed VE, you're obviously around as you posted an hour ago, yet you are not contributing at all to the lynch. Do you still think VE is the best lynch? Is anyone else on your radar? Pitch in. I was actually waiting for you to post the analysis regarding VE, since I couldn't find concrete argument to merit analysis post yet. Currently I find MZ lynch to be better than that of Palmar but I am not going to get stuck on black-white thinking; the fact that GreYMisT+VE have voted him is cause for concern which is why I am reserving my judgment until the last moment. Personally the interactions happened between VisceraEyes and you are making me extremely wary. He was the original guy to push VE, but he wants (i think) gonzaw to do the analysis? That's very strange. If he couldn't find enough concrete agruments to merit an analysis post, why does he expect another player to find it for him? Either he's very unsure about his analysis skills (not true, it's Hesmyrr, he's a veteran mafia player) or he doesn't want to post analysis out there himself. It's enough for me right now to vote for Hesmyrr. He and Radfield seem the most suspicious right now, and I think the case against Hes is slightly stronger, so... ##Vote: HesmyrrOne final thing: Cute. Now how about you contribute, like I said above. Why do you think I'm scum? Is it because I disagree with you? Because that's the only reason you've got so far. And it's a shitty reason, and I'm beginning to think you've just stopped giving a shit about this game and you aren't trying, which is unacceptable in a mini. Ok, I gotta get up in 6 hours, so I'm off. Night, all!
It doesn't seem he's really convinced by the Hes lynch. He says that "gonzaw's case has some good points", and makes it seem he's not actually confident on it.
It seems odd he doesn't actually call him scum either, here:
Since this setup has no blues who benefit from obscurity, that casts some serious doubt on Hesmyrr
and I think the case against Hes is slightly stronger
Instead of saying "Since this setup has no blues who benefit from obscurity, that means Hesmyrr is scum". No, he tries to take a defensive position and accuse Hesmyrr but still try to make it safe but not actually call him out, because he knows Hesmyrr will be the lynch so he knows Hes will flip town and a lot of attention will be on him if he actively calls Hes as scum.
Also again, "I think the case against Hes is slightly stronger". It's like he's picking ice-cream flavors or something. We are talking about a lynch that could put us in LYLO and he just "picks the strongest case". Again seems to buffer the effects of Hes misslynch later and try to blend in a little bit more.
Something interesting is how he still mentions Radfield as a suspect....yet he never mentions Radfield again on D3.
On June 17 2012 11:59 BrownBear wrote:
Alright, I'm back.
My resoning behind the Palmar lynch is basically what gonzaw and others have posted. He's not playing the way he normally does when he's town, but he was definitely trying to act like he was Day 1. He's switched his opinion on everyone all the time, without ever providing reasons, and hasn't been called on it until now. He's basically skated, and I don't really understand why we didn't call him on it sooner.
He's definitely my target for today, unless something crazy happens, so I'm gonna look forward. One thing I was considering was the possibility of SK choosing to shoot tonight (and I think someone else mentioned that possibility). Given that the game is winding down, I thought it might be a possibility we'll have to account for. In the end though, I really think SK will not shoot tonight, because it's in his interest to shoot at the last possible moment (preferably when it will end the game). If we mislynch and Palmar is town, then SK will be forced to shoot red to keep the game alive (I think) but given the unlikelihood of that possibility, we're going to have SK KP to worry about.
So I think we lynch Palmar today, then worry about who's SK starting today and tomorrow. My "group of scum" would be:
Palmar
Radfield
prphlz
Wiggles
Palmar, case is proven. The other three I'm much less sure about. I'm certain the SK is one of them, though. All 3 have been trying very hard to play pro-town, but little things about their play have just thrown me off and made me question them.
This is the post where he mentions all his reads.....but Radfield is suspiciously absent from them.
Like Rad said earlier, he basically just says "I think gonzaw is town and haven't read Grey's filter yet...so yeah the remaining scum is in the group of the remaining players here [posts list]"
The fact that his suspicion on Radfield completely disappears specially considering Radfield is still alive on D3
Like, wasn't that the sole reason prplhz thought Radfield was scum? Because Radfield was still alive?
Wouldn't that be a huge detail BB failed to take into account? Wouldn't that make him more suspicious of Radfield? Why doesn't he mention it at all? He was suspicious of Radfield....and now that he has another reason to be suspicious of him he completely ignores it?
It seems to me that they also let Rad live to set a Radfield misslynch (considering how Palmar voted Rad and several people were suspicious of Rad because of him flip-flopping on VE, killing VE makes sense to incriminate Radfield). However after the Palmar wagon started, I think they forgot about that and BB just tried to go for the full-fledge bus to increase his town cred.....the thing is that he forgot he set up the Rad misslynch in the first place, so his actions aren't consistent with what he's been preaching before (that Rad was suspicious)
On June 13 2012 15:42 BrownBear wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2012 14:51 gonzaw wrote:
Okay, off to reread the thread!
(I think it will be the 1st time I'll ever reread a thread since it's beginning and not just read filters, I'm so excited!)
Up to page 11, and I already have new info and revelations :O :O :O
This is fun. Good idea. Since it's a small thread, pretty easy to do, I'd encourage more people to do this as well! I'm off to do the same thing.
This is another thing funny, because he specifically says he's doing the same thing (rereading the thread completely)...but I never saw any conclusion from him about it.
His next posts all seem like he didn't reread the thread to gain new conclusions...he's just suspicious about Rad a little bit, and reads my case against Hesmyrr and agrees with it, those are not signs of rereading the thread.
Another little thing:
On June 11 2012 03:39 BrownBear wrote:
and radfield, who ninja'd me to a certain extent.
so, let's spark some real discussion. chaoser, what do you have against ace this game. question mark goes here.
He is the one that starts this discussion but he never mentions chaoser at all in the game.
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On June 18 2012 15:19 BrownBear wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2012 07:53 gonzaw wrote:On June 18 2012 07:23 GreYMisT wrote:
I think he could be either, I think he is scum before SK though just because he isn't playin it like I would. He has pretty much resigned himself to the town, even though it is palmar getting lynched. With this breathing room he should be helping more, but he chooses not too. You think he could throw that "I don't care you guys are better then me I give up I'll just sheep gonzaw" tantrum as scum? Like Rad said, at this point scum would likely bus Palmar and try to win on their own....prplhz doesn't seem to act like it (bussing Palmar by "sheeping" me and "going against his read" seems kind of odd for a bus). He also doesn't seem to act for his own survival if he was scum. He basically admitted he wouldn't do shit and he's playing like shit, etc; and I don't think I'd expect that of him as scum. If he was scum I'd expect him to push someone else (like Rad) and come up with reasons to cast doubt on him, etc to set up a misslynch on D4 that could win him the game. Or at least he'd try to defend himself a little bit more and be more cautious, specially since a lot of people want him dead. Yes, he could act like this as scum to confuse us or something, but I'm trying to see all possibilities here....and prplhz being town is one of them, so I want to be sure. On June 18 2012 07:33 BrownBear wrote:On June 18 2012 01:12 Radfield wrote:On June 18 2012 00:57 BrownBear wrote:
I think Greymist is town because I haven't really been able to read through his filter, and don't have much of a read on him. I will do that.
Also gonzaw, don't try to play when you're drunk. Bad things happen. I'll wait for you to come back when sober and clarify what you meant by all of that. That's hardly a reason to see someone as town.... In fact, it's not! Well, yes. Hence why I said "I will go do that", implying I would go read his filter and decide. Until then, though, I see him as someone where I don't know if he's scum or not, hence, I make no accusations against him. Erm, duh. And gonzaw, I have an issue with direct attacks like calling someone "fucking useless". Saying someone is not contributing is a different matter. So I don't have an issue with what Palmar said, I have an issue with the way he said it (and frankly, I don't understand why we let him be as openly hostile as he is). Why did you just ignore Palmar on D2 even though he attacked you and you attacked him back? On June 13 2012 12:24 BrownBear wrote:
Also, Palmar, srsly you think I'm scum every game. Find a new target to tunnel bro. On June 13 2012 18:17 BrownBear wrote:On June 13 2012 10:49 Palmar wrote:
damn, I was all ready to lynch ace, guess I'll have to lynch intelligently now.
##Vote gonzaw
I think you're scum bro, what do you think about that?
also I told you, radfield is doubleconfirmed town. Couple things I'd like to see you talk about more here. Firstly, why do you think gonzaw is scum? Could you give us a case? Secondly, do you have any reason for thinking Radfield is town other than "he agrees with me"? If so, please say it. --- Anyway, I think Hesmyrr is who I'm gonna vote on now, before I go to sleep. gonzaw's case has a couple good points. Namely, during the first day cycle he really did only pop up when he was being talked about. This indicates he was reading the thread very closely, but trying to avoid actively posting in it - usually only done by players who have something to hide. Since this setup has no blues who benefit from obscurity, that casts some serious doubt on Hesmyrr. Secondly, Hesmyrr also is doing the same thing I accused Radfield of doing earlier: He's subtly getting other people to contribute in his stead. Example: On June 12 2012 07:07 Hesmyrr wrote:Hesmyrr, you pushed VE, you're obviously around as you posted an hour ago, yet you are not contributing at all to the lynch. Do you still think VE is the best lynch? Is anyone else on your radar? Pitch in. I was actually waiting for you to post the analysis regarding VE, since I couldn't find concrete argument to merit analysis post yet. Currently I find MZ lynch to be better than that of Palmar but I am not going to get stuck on black-white thinking; the fact that GreYMisT+VE have voted him is cause for concern which is why I am reserving my judgment until the last moment. Personally the interactions happened between VisceraEyes and you are making me extremely wary. He was the original guy to push VE, but he wants (i think) gonzaw to do the analysis? That's very strange. If he couldn't find enough concrete agruments to merit an analysis post, why does he expect another player to find it for him? Either he's very unsure about his analysis skills (not true, it's Hesmyrr, he's a veteran mafia player) or he doesn't want to post analysis out there himself. It's enough for me right now to vote for Hesmyrr. He and Radfield seem the most suspicious right now, and I think the case against Hes is slightly stronger, so... ##Vote: HesmyrrOne final thing: On June 13 2012 18:13 Palmar wrote:
VE shut up
##Vote BrownBear Cute. Now how about you contribute, like I said above. Why do you think I'm scum? Is it because I disagree with you? Because that's the only reason you've got so far. And it's a shitty reason, and I'm beginning to think you've just stopped giving a shit about this game and you aren't trying, which is unacceptable in a mini. Ok, I gotta get up in 6 hours, so I'm off. Night, all! You got pretty worked up in that 2nd quote. Even though it was a joke and was explained to you later, at that time you thought it wasn't, and you began attacking Palmar ("I'm beginning to think you've just stopped giving a shit..." , etc). However after the joke is "explained"...you never dwell on that again and keep ignoring Palmar until D3. Why is that? Why do you and Palmar take shots against each other on D2 but not act upon them? (well...Palmar did that because he's scum, but I'm asking about you). That whole "I FoS Palmar for a stupid reason. I get angry at him for a stupid reason as well and waste the whole D1 on it.But now I think he's town. Now I'm harrassing him and say he doesn't care about the game and take shots at him for thinking I'm scum. Now I forgot about that and never mention him again. Now he's obvious scum let's lynch him" act of yours seems weird to me I knew I was jumping on Palmar at the slightest provocation because I was pissed at him still, so I felt like I needed to stop that before it became a distracting issue. Also, like I said earlier, I said even when I thought he was town, at best he was a cancerous town player who was contributing nothing but terrible ideas, and who should be ignored. Hence I ignored him. He actually played a pretty good scum, and was really good at causing chaos on the first day. I wish I'd been more insistent about my squidgy stomach feeling day two, but at that point I was thinking "I don't want to keep being a dick to Palmar when he doesn't deserve it because I'm mad at him" so I distanced myself. You are way off base with you thinking I am scum. I don't really know what sort of reasoning "process of elimination" is, because you can be off base with your town reads on people, and that doesn't automatically make me scum. That's terrible play. If you're ever down to people "by process of elimination" you really need to go back and read filters again. And seriously, not all of us can be on TL all day. 7 hours in between posts was basically my entire work day today. Chillax on that.
I don't believe that you'd get so worked up against Palmar just because he called you "fucking useless" ONCE. He also called Ace "fucking useless", so he didn't even single you out.
The "process of elimination" is a perk for me thinking you are scum even more (I've already wrote essays about you and your interactions with Palmar before, so I didn't think you were scum just because of a "process of elimination").
Also, you seem to ignore the issue as well. Who's scum?
You are defending yourself a little bit too much ever since D3, but you are not scumhunting at all. We are in another LYLO tomorrow and you don't seem to care about it
Also have fun defending yourself against that giant case I made against you 
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Again like I said we are in LYLO so I'll not tunnel or anything and take every option into account.
Rad if you still think BB is town and prplhz or Wiggles is mafia, then try to convince me, I won't just dismiss that situation at all since I don't want to screw up like with the Hes lynch.
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On June 18 2012 15:26 gonzaw wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2012 15:19 BrownBear wrote:On June 18 2012 07:53 gonzaw wrote:On June 18 2012 07:23 GreYMisT wrote:
I think he could be either, I think he is scum before SK though just because he isn't playin it like I would. He has pretty much resigned himself to the town, even though it is palmar getting lynched. With this breathing room he should be helping more, but he chooses not too. You think he could throw that "I don't care you guys are better then me I give up I'll just sheep gonzaw" tantrum as scum? Like Rad said, at this point scum would likely bus Palmar and try to win on their own....prplhz doesn't seem to act like it (bussing Palmar by "sheeping" me and "going against his read" seems kind of odd for a bus). He also doesn't seem to act for his own survival if he was scum. He basically admitted he wouldn't do shit and he's playing like shit, etc; and I don't think I'd expect that of him as scum. If he was scum I'd expect him to push someone else (like Rad) and come up with reasons to cast doubt on him, etc to set up a misslynch on D4 that could win him the game. Or at least he'd try to defend himself a little bit more and be more cautious, specially since a lot of people want him dead. Yes, he could act like this as scum to confuse us or something, but I'm trying to see all possibilities here....and prplhz being town is one of them, so I want to be sure. On June 18 2012 07:33 BrownBear wrote:On June 18 2012 01:12 Radfield wrote:On June 18 2012 00:57 BrownBear wrote:
I think Greymist is town because I haven't really been able to read through his filter, and don't have much of a read on him. I will do that.
Also gonzaw, don't try to play when you're drunk. Bad things happen. I'll wait for you to come back when sober and clarify what you meant by all of that. That's hardly a reason to see someone as town.... In fact, it's not! Well, yes. Hence why I said "I will go do that", implying I would go read his filter and decide. Until then, though, I see him as someone where I don't know if he's scum or not, hence, I make no accusations against him. Erm, duh. And gonzaw, I have an issue with direct attacks like calling someone "fucking useless". Saying someone is not contributing is a different matter. So I don't have an issue with what Palmar said, I have an issue with the way he said it (and frankly, I don't understand why we let him be as openly hostile as he is). Why did you just ignore Palmar on D2 even though he attacked you and you attacked him back? On June 13 2012 12:24 BrownBear wrote:
Also, Palmar, srsly you think I'm scum every game. Find a new target to tunnel bro. On June 13 2012 18:17 BrownBear wrote:On June 13 2012 10:49 Palmar wrote:
damn, I was all ready to lynch ace, guess I'll have to lynch intelligently now.
##Vote gonzaw
I think you're scum bro, what do you think about that?
also I told you, radfield is doubleconfirmed town. Couple things I'd like to see you talk about more here. Firstly, why do you think gonzaw is scum? Could you give us a case? Secondly, do you have any reason for thinking Radfield is town other than "he agrees with me"? If so, please say it. --- Anyway, I think Hesmyrr is who I'm gonna vote on now, before I go to sleep. gonzaw's case has a couple good points. Namely, during the first day cycle he really did only pop up when he was being talked about. This indicates he was reading the thread very closely, but trying to avoid actively posting in it - usually only done by players who have something to hide. Since this setup has no blues who benefit from obscurity, that casts some serious doubt on Hesmyrr. Secondly, Hesmyrr also is doing the same thing I accused Radfield of doing earlier: He's subtly getting other people to contribute in his stead. Example: On June 12 2012 07:07 Hesmyrr wrote:Hesmyrr, you pushed VE, you're obviously around as you posted an hour ago, yet you are not contributing at all to the lynch. Do you still think VE is the best lynch? Is anyone else on your radar? Pitch in. I was actually waiting for you to post the analysis regarding VE, since I couldn't find concrete argument to merit analysis post yet. Currently I find MZ lynch to be better than that of Palmar but I am not going to get stuck on black-white thinking; the fact that GreYMisT+VE have voted him is cause for concern which is why I am reserving my judgment until the last moment. Personally the interactions happened between VisceraEyes and you are making me extremely wary. He was the original guy to push VE, but he wants (i think) gonzaw to do the analysis? That's very strange. If he couldn't find enough concrete agruments to merit an analysis post, why does he expect another player to find it for him? Either he's very unsure about his analysis skills (not true, it's Hesmyrr, he's a veteran mafia player) or he doesn't want to post analysis out there himself. It's enough for me right now to vote for Hesmyrr. He and Radfield seem the most suspicious right now, and I think the case against Hes is slightly stronger, so... ##Vote: HesmyrrOne final thing: On June 13 2012 18:13 Palmar wrote:
VE shut up
##Vote BrownBear Cute. Now how about you contribute, like I said above. Why do you think I'm scum? Is it because I disagree with you? Because that's the only reason you've got so far. And it's a shitty reason, and I'm beginning to think you've just stopped giving a shit about this game and you aren't trying, which is unacceptable in a mini. Ok, I gotta get up in 6 hours, so I'm off. Night, all! You got pretty worked up in that 2nd quote. Even though it was a joke and was explained to you later, at that time you thought it wasn't, and you began attacking Palmar ("I'm beginning to think you've just stopped giving a shit..." , etc). However after the joke is "explained"...you never dwell on that again and keep ignoring Palmar until D3. Why is that? Why do you and Palmar take shots against each other on D2 but not act upon them? (well...Palmar did that because he's scum, but I'm asking about you). That whole "I FoS Palmar for a stupid reason. I get angry at him for a stupid reason as well and waste the whole D1 on it.But now I think he's town. Now I'm harrassing him and say he doesn't care about the game and take shots at him for thinking I'm scum. Now I forgot about that and never mention him again. Now he's obvious scum let's lynch him" act of yours seems weird to me I knew I was jumping on Palmar at the slightest provocation because I was pissed at him still, so I felt like I needed to stop that before it became a distracting issue. Also, like I said earlier, I said even when I thought he was town, at best he was a cancerous town player who was contributing nothing but terrible ideas, and who should be ignored. Hence I ignored him. He actually played a pretty good scum, and was really good at causing chaos on the first day. I wish I'd been more insistent about my squidgy stomach feeling day two, but at that point I was thinking "I don't want to keep being a dick to Palmar when he doesn't deserve it because I'm mad at him" so I distanced myself. You are way off base with you thinking I am scum. I don't really know what sort of reasoning "process of elimination" is, because you can be off base with your town reads on people, and that doesn't automatically make me scum. That's terrible play. If you're ever down to people "by process of elimination" you really need to go back and read filters again. And seriously, not all of us can be on TL all day. 7 hours in between posts was basically my entire work day today. Chillax on that. I don't believe that you'd get so worked up against Palmar just because he called you "fucking useless" ONCE. He also called Ace "fucking useless", so he didn't even single you out. The "process of elimination" is a perk for me thinking you are scum even more (I've already wrote essays about you and your interactions with Palmar before, so I didn't think you were scum just because of a "process of elimination"). Also, you seem to ignore the issue as well. Who's scum?You are defending yourself a little bit too much ever since D3, but you are not scumhunting at all. We are in another LYLO tomorrow and you don't seem to care about it Also have fun defending yourself against that giant case I made against you
It wasn't just that. He was offensive, loud, irritating, and generally an abrasive player all of day 1. When I called him on it once then disappeared because I was at work, he called me fucking useless. I can't tell if it's just the quality of play has fallen so low that doing something like that is now considered acceptable, or if you're just incapable of realizing that the people you're playing with have feelings, those feelings can get hurt, and that can cause people to be angry. Either way, you need to lay off that, it's a complete misread/red herring/what have you.
As to your case - man, I'm gonna have to read through that tomorrow. I'm going to say this though - if town loses because they lynch me, I know exactly who to blame
Let's be honest, you can't delude yourself any longer - despite your constant assurances to town that you aren't tunneling and you're open to anything, you've been tunneling me for the last day and a half. Explain that, sir.
I'm starting to think gonzaw is at least suspicious, if not scum. The amount he dominates town discussion worries me.
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About prplhz:
Hmm, now that I think about it prplhz's behaviour does seem consistent with a SK that just gave up and forfeited
If he's SK, he knows that he has to survive like 3 more lynches, but as soon as he stepped into the thread everybody were already thinking he was scum (because of chaoser) and he could do nothing to remedy that.
When he posts he doesn't seem to care about town, for instance like when I said here:
On June 17 2012 07:23 gonzaw wrote:
Palmar has 3 votes on him, the only other guy with votes on him is me (Palmar voted me).
prplhz, do you plan on doing anything? You said you think Palmar is town, you see Palmar will get lynched today, therefore you know that today will be a misslynch and we'll lost the game.
Do you care about that at all? I don't see you reacting at all to the fact Palmar is getting lynched, and I don't see you trying to do anything at all to actually push a Radfield lynch.
I don't expect you to do the "heavy lifting" and lead town one way or the other, but I expect you to have thoughts, opinions and act on them.
If you think someone is town, it is LYLO and that guy is getting lynched, then it's your obligation to either rethink your stance on him or try to stop that lynch (like I did on the Radfield lynch of D2) and/or push forward a lynch on someone you think is scum.
I don't see you doing anything like that at all, so even if you "suck", but your own POV you should be acting completely different than you are acting right now.
Unless there's some deep psychological issue here (like you replaced into a game you didn't want to play so you don't actually give a fuck about anything and you know you are likely going to lose, so why even try? Or maybe something like that), then there's no reason for you to behave like you are doing in LYLO.
We are in LYLO, a guy is accused and is going to be lynched; and not only that but it's a guy he has a town read on, but he doesn't care, even though from his POV we'd be heading towards a certain loss.
However his behaviour from a scum point of view doesn't make sense for reasons mentioned early (about him and chaoser). Unless scum already conceded I don't see him acting like that, and I don't think Palmar would have let him concede by then.
So yeah, I think BB is scum and prplhz is SK for now, anything else would need me to seriously reconsider my reads; although if I'm alive by D4 I'll try to reread everything again to be sure.
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On June 18 2012 16:01 BrownBear wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2012 15:26 gonzaw wrote:On June 18 2012 15:19 BrownBear wrote:On June 18 2012 07:53 gonzaw wrote:On June 18 2012 07:23 GreYMisT wrote:
I think he could be either, I think he is scum before SK though just because he isn't playin it like I would. He has pretty much resigned himself to the town, even though it is palmar getting lynched. With this breathing room he should be helping more, but he chooses not too. You think he could throw that "I don't care you guys are better then me I give up I'll just sheep gonzaw" tantrum as scum? Like Rad said, at this point scum would likely bus Palmar and try to win on their own....prplhz doesn't seem to act like it (bussing Palmar by "sheeping" me and "going against his read" seems kind of odd for a bus). He also doesn't seem to act for his own survival if he was scum. He basically admitted he wouldn't do shit and he's playing like shit, etc; and I don't think I'd expect that of him as scum. If he was scum I'd expect him to push someone else (like Rad) and come up with reasons to cast doubt on him, etc to set up a misslynch on D4 that could win him the game. Or at least he'd try to defend himself a little bit more and be more cautious, specially since a lot of people want him dead. Yes, he could act like this as scum to confuse us or something, but I'm trying to see all possibilities here....and prplhz being town is one of them, so I want to be sure. On June 18 2012 07:33 BrownBear wrote:On June 18 2012 01:12 Radfield wrote:On June 18 2012 00:57 BrownBear wrote:
I think Greymist is town because I haven't really been able to read through his filter, and don't have much of a read on him. I will do that.
Also gonzaw, don't try to play when you're drunk. Bad things happen. I'll wait for you to come back when sober and clarify what you meant by all of that. That's hardly a reason to see someone as town.... In fact, it's not! Well, yes. Hence why I said "I will go do that", implying I would go read his filter and decide. Until then, though, I see him as someone where I don't know if he's scum or not, hence, I make no accusations against him. Erm, duh. And gonzaw, I have an issue with direct attacks like calling someone "fucking useless". Saying someone is not contributing is a different matter. So I don't have an issue with what Palmar said, I have an issue with the way he said it (and frankly, I don't understand why we let him be as openly hostile as he is). Why did you just ignore Palmar on D2 even though he attacked you and you attacked him back? On June 13 2012 12:24 BrownBear wrote:
Also, Palmar, srsly you think I'm scum every game. Find a new target to tunnel bro. On June 13 2012 18:17 BrownBear wrote:On June 13 2012 10:49 Palmar wrote:
damn, I was all ready to lynch ace, guess I'll have to lynch intelligently now.
##Vote gonzaw
I think you're scum bro, what do you think about that?
also I told you, radfield is doubleconfirmed town. Couple things I'd like to see you talk about more here. Firstly, why do you think gonzaw is scum? Could you give us a case? Secondly, do you have any reason for thinking Radfield is town other than "he agrees with me"? If so, please say it. --- Anyway, I think Hesmyrr is who I'm gonna vote on now, before I go to sleep. gonzaw's case has a couple good points. Namely, during the first day cycle he really did only pop up when he was being talked about. This indicates he was reading the thread very closely, but trying to avoid actively posting in it - usually only done by players who have something to hide. Since this setup has no blues who benefit from obscurity, that casts some serious doubt on Hesmyrr. Secondly, Hesmyrr also is doing the same thing I accused Radfield of doing earlier: He's subtly getting other people to contribute in his stead. Example: On June 12 2012 07:07 Hesmyrr wrote:Hesmyrr, you pushed VE, you're obviously around as you posted an hour ago, yet you are not contributing at all to the lynch. Do you still think VE is the best lynch? Is anyone else on your radar? Pitch in. I was actually waiting for you to post the analysis regarding VE, since I couldn't find concrete argument to merit analysis post yet. Currently I find MZ lynch to be better than that of Palmar but I am not going to get stuck on black-white thinking; the fact that GreYMisT+VE have voted him is cause for concern which is why I am reserving my judgment until the last moment. Personally the interactions happened between VisceraEyes and you are making me extremely wary. He was the original guy to push VE, but he wants (i think) gonzaw to do the analysis? That's very strange. If he couldn't find enough concrete agruments to merit an analysis post, why does he expect another player to find it for him? Either he's very unsure about his analysis skills (not true, it's Hesmyrr, he's a veteran mafia player) or he doesn't want to post analysis out there himself. It's enough for me right now to vote for Hesmyrr. He and Radfield seem the most suspicious right now, and I think the case against Hes is slightly stronger, so... ##Vote: HesmyrrOne final thing: On June 13 2012 18:13 Palmar wrote:
VE shut up
##Vote BrownBear Cute. Now how about you contribute, like I said above. Why do you think I'm scum? Is it because I disagree with you? Because that's the only reason you've got so far. And it's a shitty reason, and I'm beginning to think you've just stopped giving a shit about this game and you aren't trying, which is unacceptable in a mini. Ok, I gotta get up in 6 hours, so I'm off. Night, all! You got pretty worked up in that 2nd quote. Even though it was a joke and was explained to you later, at that time you thought it wasn't, and you began attacking Palmar ("I'm beginning to think you've just stopped giving a shit..." , etc). However after the joke is "explained"...you never dwell on that again and keep ignoring Palmar until D3. Why is that? Why do you and Palmar take shots against each other on D2 but not act upon them? (well...Palmar did that because he's scum, but I'm asking about you). That whole "I FoS Palmar for a stupid reason. I get angry at him for a stupid reason as well and waste the whole D1 on it.But now I think he's town. Now I'm harrassing him and say he doesn't care about the game and take shots at him for thinking I'm scum. Now I forgot about that and never mention him again. Now he's obvious scum let's lynch him" act of yours seems weird to me I knew I was jumping on Palmar at the slightest provocation because I was pissed at him still, so I felt like I needed to stop that before it became a distracting issue. Also, like I said earlier, I said even when I thought he was town, at best he was a cancerous town player who was contributing nothing but terrible ideas, and who should be ignored. Hence I ignored him. He actually played a pretty good scum, and was really good at causing chaos on the first day. I wish I'd been more insistent about my squidgy stomach feeling day two, but at that point I was thinking "I don't want to keep being a dick to Palmar when he doesn't deserve it because I'm mad at him" so I distanced myself. You are way off base with you thinking I am scum. I don't really know what sort of reasoning "process of elimination" is, because you can be off base with your town reads on people, and that doesn't automatically make me scum. That's terrible play. If you're ever down to people "by process of elimination" you really need to go back and read filters again. And seriously, not all of us can be on TL all day. 7 hours in between posts was basically my entire work day today. Chillax on that. I don't believe that you'd get so worked up against Palmar just because he called you "fucking useless" ONCE. He also called Ace "fucking useless", so he didn't even single you out. The "process of elimination" is a perk for me thinking you are scum even more (I've already wrote essays about you and your interactions with Palmar before, so I didn't think you were scum just because of a "process of elimination"). Also, you seem to ignore the issue as well. Who's scum?You are defending yourself a little bit too much ever since D3, but you are not scumhunting at all. We are in another LYLO tomorrow and you don't seem to care about it Also have fun defending yourself against that giant case I made against you It wasn't just that. He was offensive, loud, irritating, and generally an abrasive player all of day 1. When I called him on it once then disappeared because I was at work, he called me fucking useless. I can't tell if it's just the quality of play has fallen so low that doing something like that is now considered acceptable, or if you're just incapable of realizing that the people you're playing with have feelings, those feelings can get hurt, and that can cause people to be angry. Either way, you need to lay off that, it's a complete misread/red herring/what have you. As to your case - man, I'm gonna have to read through that tomorrow. I'm going to say this though - if town loses because they lynch me, I know exactly who to blame Let's be honest, you can't delude yourself any longer - despite your constant assurances to town that you aren't tunneling and you're open to anything, you've been tunneling me for the last day and a half. Explain that, sir. I'm starting to think gonzaw is at least suspicious, if not scum. The amount he dominates town discussion worries me.
I'll let my other smart town partners figure out what's wrong with this post
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Hey BB, did you consider that proposal I made? You need to find the SK to win, so I'd say you get started on that.
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On June 18 2012 16:05 gonzaw wrote:About prplhz:Hmm, now that I think about it prplhz's behaviour does seem consistent with a SK that just gave up and forfeited If he's SK, he knows that he has to survive like 3 more lynches, but as soon as he stepped into the thread everybody were already thinking he was scum (because of chaoser) and he could do nothing to remedy that. When he posts he doesn't seem to care about town, for instance like when I said here: Show nested quote +On June 17 2012 07:23 gonzaw wrote:
Palmar has 3 votes on him, the only other guy with votes on him is me (Palmar voted me).
prplhz, do you plan on doing anything? You said you think Palmar is town, you see Palmar will get lynched today, therefore you know that today will be a misslynch and we'll lost the game.
Do you care about that at all? I don't see you reacting at all to the fact Palmar is getting lynched, and I don't see you trying to do anything at all to actually push a Radfield lynch.
I don't expect you to do the "heavy lifting" and lead town one way or the other, but I expect you to have thoughts, opinions and act on them.
If you think someone is town, it is LYLO and that guy is getting lynched, then it's your obligation to either rethink your stance on him or try to stop that lynch (like I did on the Radfield lynch of D2) and/or push forward a lynch on someone you think is scum.
I don't see you doing anything like that at all, so even if you "suck", but your own POV you should be acting completely different than you are acting right now.
Unless there's some deep psychological issue here (like you replaced into a game you didn't want to play so you don't actually give a fuck about anything and you know you are likely going to lose, so why even try? Or maybe something like that), then there's no reason for you to behave like you are doing in LYLO. We are in LYLO, a guy is accused and is going to be lynched; and not only that but it's a guy he has a town read on, but he doesn't care, even though from his POV we'd be heading towards a certain loss. However his behaviour from a scum point of view doesn't make sense for reasons mentioned early (about him and chaoser). Unless scum already conceded I don't see him acting like that, and I don't think Palmar would have let him concede by then. So yeah, I think BB is scum and prplhz is SK for now, anything else would need me to seriously reconsider my reads; although if I'm alive by D4 I'll try to reread everything again to be sure.
There's also the fact that he spent way too much time explaining why I was SK:
On June 17 2012 06:31 prplhz wrote:
Like, gonzaw just did two huge posts on Palmar. One of them says that Palmar is scum because he is too confident in himself, lol have you never played with Palmar before?
Anyway, then in his next post he's like "We can lynch prplhz, whatever". At the same time, when I ask for help after having replaced into the middle of a game and expressing my insecurities about playing with you lot, he doesn't seem interested at all. He doesn't appear to want to help me get started or anything. GreYMisT thinks I'm scum but he's been pushing me for something at least. gonzaw doesn't look like he cares and for absolutely no reason. It looks to me like he's just doing whatever this game and that seems 3rd partyish to me. 8 page filter and then I still don't get the feeling that he actually cares about town this game.
He spends too much effort to explain to people why I'm SK. He doesn't think I'm scum though, just SK.
Also take into account he said he wanted to lynch Rad and BB first...but he doesn't go into detail on why they are scum, yet he does go into detail on why I'm SK.
This seems like an obvious attempt to shift attention off the SK to someone else, so people don't start thinking he himself is SK.
Okay I've posted EVERYTHING I've got, people do well with this info once I die (if I don't die I'll be completely baffled by scum''s play)
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On June 18 2012 16:07 gonzaw wrote:
Hey BB, did you consider that proposal I made? You need to find the SK to win, so I'd say you get started on that.
Tunneltunneltunneltunneltunneltunneltunnel
Seriously how do you get away with saying something then not even a page later saying something entirely different?
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