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On October 03 2006 20:47 Mortality wrote: LOL...Savior man handled Boxer. And no, Boxer wasn't "saving" anything for Yellow. If you read his interview, it was clear that he had prepared strategies to fight Savior. The problem is that Savior's game sense is just a step above the rest. Watch those games carefully. Savior had his eyes out for anything unusual and then he would force Boxer into a position where Boxer was playing Savior's game.
In my mind, nobody has been this dominating over his opponents since NaDa's reign. In fact, Savior is quite possibly the most dominating player in the history of Starcraft. Boxer never was the kind of player who adjusted the tempo to his will but rather he was the kind of player who would find holes in his opponent's tempo and exploit them. July was similar. Even Oov, as good as he was about setting the tempo to his taste, often relied on the fact that he would consistently overpower his opponent and in every confrontation, Oov's army would grow in relative size to his opponent's. In some cases, it would even appear as if his army grew in absolute size.
No, the only player who ever compared with Savior in terms of setting the tempo of the game and forcing his opponent to play his game was NaDa from his prime. That's what I loved so much in NaDa and what I am now loving so much in Savior -- it's perfection.
I would also like to add some thoughts with respect to IEF. Some people watching those games between Savior and Oov thoght that Savior threw them. Well, the game 12/3 LT was most certainly doomed from the start since 12/3 ZvT against a monster like Oov is about as tough as it gets. But in game 2, we saw a different side to Savior where he wasn't playing as his usual macro-oriented self. In his games vs Boxer, Savior was being extremely prudent about searching for proxies and cheese. I think that Savior had it in his mind that Boxer would try to force him into a low econ game so Savior decided to practice his low econ game. Just a hunch, and maybe it's totally wrong. Still, Savior played uncharateristically. I agree. In that game i think Boxer was actually trying hard. The micro mistakes is probably Boxer was shaken up. Every game he picked 2 fact 1 port and Savior took advantage and went guards. Everytime Boxer moved out he got flanked by Savior's perfect position from guards, lurks and than caught all the tanks with lings. During the third game after the proxy fact got scouted i knew it was over. If you fall behind against Savior you cannot comeback. Your_killer said if he was savior and scouted the proxy fact he would have powered drones but no he knew boxer was going for a fast tank push and made lings +speed and raped boxer's early mrine medic. And his muta control was flawless keeping boxer in his base. Boxer probably was trying so hard and was nervous. Who wouldn't be everything boxer did was countered like Savior had maphack. His style is like Gorush's. Like its a very unique reacting style. Savior is like the Zerg of Nada.
One thing thought it was weird during the arcadia game against yellow Boxer shot yellow's stop lurkers without scanning. Boxer vs. Yellow was somewhat disappointing.
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
sometimes the greatest players are those who make mistakes
On November 09 2005 11:16 expostfacto wrote: who is his favorite player to watch?
Boxer. He's the most fun, because he's not perfect. He's flawed, but then when he makes up for those flaws it's fun to watch. -IntoTheRain
Savior's perfectness doesnt always mean the most exciting play~
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OK, so it's just me being so heartbroken and biased
It's like a stain to have such a bitter loss before leaving, 'cos he could not have a chance to pay back. Or maybe he could, in 2009. We can hope, because it's BOXER.
Revenge is a dish that better served cold. -_-;
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On October 03 2006 21:55 Plexa wrote: sometimes the greatest players are those who make mistakes [removed quote within quote]t. He's flawed, but then when he makes up for those flaws it's fun to watch. -IntoTheRain
Savior's perfectness doesnt always mean the most exciting play~[/QUOTE]
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I guess Savior really had no flaws then. BoxeR is all about exploiting the holes in his opponent and pull off those amazing stunts that he does. But this goes to prove that Savior is just so solid that not even the Emperor could find a crack to take advantage of. But no matter what, BoxeR will always be the most fun to watch when he does find those flaws and exploits them to the fullest.
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Hong Kong20321 Posts
yeah savior is godzerg. lol :|
man i really want those vods now need direct upload link i cant bt cuz im on uni netwrok!!! someone upload and PM me the links.. ㅠ_ㅠ
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lol guys shut up and watch Midas vs Savior last MSL again. You guys are ridiculous. Yes Savior is the best zerg atm, but July's style was considered invincible for awhile and it wasn't long before gaps appeared. In Midas vs Savior, you can finally see where Savior is evenly matched with his opponent. He is just finally a zerg on the same level as Midas and those 70% winners, the S-Classes.
Just because he crushed Boxer, people are like.. most dominating EVER... lol You guys obviously don't remember the Terran Terror that was ILoveOov.
Still, Savior IS disgusting but reigns of terror from a player don't come like they used to. Everyone is too sick to let that happen nowadays. But there are still players who can stand toe-to-toe with him and not be an underdog.
One thing I do wish I had gotten to see one last time was Boxer's dropships... T.T
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Hong Kong20321 Posts
On October 04 2006 01:05 SuperJongMan wrote: lol guys shut up and watch Midas vs Savior last MSL again. You guys are ridiculous. Yes Savior is the best zerg atm, but July's style was considered invincible for awhile and it wasn't long before gaps appeared. In Midas vs Savior, you can finally see where Savior is evenly matched with his opponent. He is just finally a zerg on the same level as Midas and those 70% winners, the S-Classes.
Just because he crushed Boxer, people are like.. most dominating EVER... lol You guys obviously don't remember the Terran Terror that was ILoveOov.
Still, Savior IS disgusting but reigns of terror from a player don't come like they used to. Everyone is too sick to let that happen nowadays. But there are still players who can stand toe-to-toe with him and not be an underdog.
One thing I do wish I had gotten to see one last time was Boxer's dropships... T.T
hmm yeah i guess u have a point there.. but the terran terror that was oov has got owned by jesus zerg countless times KEKEKE lolol..
haha o well too bad all of boxer's dropships got scourged..
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he actually had some nice drops and they were about the most offensive he got vs savior =(
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saviour is just so dominant. he leaves virtually nothing to chance and never seems to hiccup. it's all one big flow.. there has been some powerful zergs in the past but they all seemed to leave small gaps in their gameplay which terrans would abuse. maybe its because of the muta+overlord trick, but it seems like the days of t>z are over. i really can't fault this guy. the few games he does lose are in very unique styled games and they are still close. i mean holy shit, did you see his game against daezang? i don't think i'm going to far in saying he's the best zerg player ever (skill wise).
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Savior is good, but do not forget that he NEVER WAS IN A SINGLE OSL. And for because of this I cannot call him "the best player/zerg atm".
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Guys Savior played awesome that serries and you you're still massively overrating him.
As someone else said, watch the Midas vs. Savior games. Midas played very solid strategically and was able to keep up with Savior because Midas himself left no holes in his strategy.
The key to beating Savior's style is to early expand but not in a way where it lays out your game plan from the very beginning. Boxer's strategy against Yellow on Arcadia would have been perfect against Savior on Longinus. It basically allows you to early pressure and/or get an extremely early expansion that doesn't constrict your game plan. If Boxer had strategies of that nature prepared for Blitz and Araknoid he definitely wouldn't have been so behind from the get go.
Savior is not unbeatable. I find it interesting that Boxer never looked at Canata and Midas's successes against Savior and thought to himself "wow, these guys definitely know what's up against this guy, maybe I should adopt their technique."
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On October 04 2006 00:28 alffla wrote: yeah savior is godzerg. lol :|
man i really want those vods now need direct upload link i cant bt cuz im on uni netwrok!!! someone upload and PM me the links.. ㅠ_ㅠ
the superfight vids for reference:
http://www.crunchyroll.com/search?q=superfight
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Savior's right now for Zerg what NaDa used to be for terran. ( In terms of sheer brilliance and pure skill and perfection in all three match ups )
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United Arab Emirates5090 Posts
On October 04 2006 01:33 alffla wrote: [removed quote within quote]
hmm yeah i guess u have a point there.. but the terran terror that was oov has got owned by jesus zerg countless times KEKEKE lolol..
haha o well too bad all of boxer's dropships got scourged.. ill tell u why alf, zerg is rigged.
(ignore this, inside joke between me and alf)
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1) We see a new progamer emerge as #1, usually Zerg.
2) Everyone makse a big deal about him and calls him "the best player ever."
3) Everyone makes a new thread at every Starcraft website asking for replays and praising him.
4) Everyone compares him to BoxeR & now JulyZerg.
5) He gets owned and knocked down 9-12 months down the road by another guy who takes us back to #1.
This is progaming.
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I think Boxer was aiming for a five game and just underestimated Savior game 3. The first two games was just too weird and Boxer himself said he had strategies prepared for game 4 and 5.
Keep in mind, Boxer is a very audience player. He was trying to give the best show possible by aiming for a 2 game deficit comeback IMO.
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SlayerS_`BoxeR` raped Savior!...Now STFU defending him!...I havent seen the match yet...but i know the result already...IlOveOOv raped Savior so SlayerS_`BoxeR` will double rape Savior...i already know that!...Savior is a good player but someone defending him with nonsense its just too irritating! :D...Now let me see that match in Crunchyroll!...
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