EPT[Day 3] MLG Pro Circuit Winter Championship - Page 558
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AsnSensation
Germany24009 Posts
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dashmode
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It looked like MKP had more stuff on most of the maps they played. He went with any composition and was even or ahead on supply and it is really bad for zerg when u are behind against terran on supply at any point in a game because most of zerg units are not cost efficient. But one thing was constant for MKP, fast 3 CCs, so it looks like if u can get away with it, and it isn't even that hard for terran, then all of sudden u are ahead or even on macro with zerg, am i right? I think some of these games require some serious analysis and maybe it is all on DRG side and he needs to improve but some of these games were confusing for me, like game 5 Heart vs DRG on Antiga. We had there again, fast 3ccs for terran and DRG did some serious damage by his roach-bane bust, and even after that he wasn't that much ahead... ? | ||
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TheBanana
Norway2183 Posts
On March 26 2012 12:39 how2TL wrote: Spanish football commentators? Where's this idea that commentators for pro sports never get extremely excited coming from? It's so wrong. I have no idea. Even us "cold" Norwegians gets extremely excited and passionate about our sports. Case in point, from last summers Tour de France, a good one for Norway: + Show Spoiler + | ||
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snafoo
New Zealand1615 Posts
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HaXXspetten
Sweden15718 Posts
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stratmatt
United States913 Posts
On March 26 2012 16:34 Highways wrote: Must admit, the Halo crowd owned the SC2 one big time. Based off of what? The fact that the sc2 crowd was like 20 times larger and louder? | ||
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FinalForm
United States450 Posts
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Aemilia
344 Posts
On March 26 2012 17:49 YourMom wrote: MLG Pool Play and Championship Bracket Win-Rates: 12 Protoss: 65 wins 80 loses => 44% 12 Terrran: 103 wins 82 loses => 55% 8 Zerg: 55 wins 55 loses => 50% PvT: 29 wins 51 losses => 36% TvZ: 22 wins 24 losses => 47% ZvP 19 wins 20 losses => 48% This kind of thing is so pointless at an MLG because there's a gigantic different in skill between players. | ||
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Dfgj
Singapore5922 Posts
On March 26 2012 12:04 Mordiford wrote: What major games did it really affect at this MLG? Came pretty close to impacting Heart vs DRG, especially given the last game. | ||
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TheSir
1830 Posts
On March 26 2012 22:23 FinalForm wrote: man, MLG play some music or throw some confetti when someone wins, other than that congrats to marineking on his first major title in front of a crowd! yeah i dont really understand this neither, this way is such a anti-climax and a little awkward. Such a big event but it's not a show. Get a confetti canon, some fireworks, throw some music in it and play a little with the lighting and for god sake bring some pretty woman on that stage, i dont want see a bunch of guys in suits on the stage. They are not rewarding the best financial manager of the month or some, fine for casting but not on a stage when celebrating the winner. Thats the thing i dont like about MLG, the hole setting is so freaking clean and well.... boring. Lonestar for example was in that perspective a lot more fun to watch. | ||
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trwkling
658 Posts
On March 26 2012 20:44 dashmode wrote: I would really love to watch replays from these MLG finals cuz i don't really understand how DRG couldn't get ahead in macro even when MKP did almost nothing to hurt his macro. Lets take Metalopolis for example, DRG had way faster 2nd and 3rd base than MKP, did multiple runbys to main of MKP, killed all scvs at MKP's 3rd, sniped 2 ebays with upgrades near completion and at the end MKP just decided to push and outproduced DRG. Zerg just couldn't keep up. It wasn't like DRG a-moved his banelings on marauders, MKP just had more stuff. It looked like MKP had more stuff on most of the maps they played. He went with any composition and was even or ahead on supply and it is really bad for zerg when u are behind against terran on supply at any point in a game because most of zerg units are not cost efficient. But one thing was constant for MKP, fast 3 CCs, so it looks like if u can get away with it, and it isn't even that hard for terran, then all of sudden u are ahead or even on macro with zerg, am i right? I think some of these games require some serious analysis and maybe it is all on DRG side and he needs to improve but some of these games were confusing for me, like game 5 Heart vs DRG on Antiga. We had there again, fast 3ccs for terran and DRG did some serious damage by his roach-bane bust, and even after that he wasn't that much ahead... ? hmm yes but i watched the replays a couple of times (noob terran wants to learn something here) and i think you can see that although marineking lost all his scvs on his third he had mules (he landed like 6-7 right after all of them died i think lol) but i think the important factors were: drg had only 66 drones on three bases and twice he tried to transfer to his third and fourth all the drones were killed by marineking i think these two factors were pretty much in crippling the economy of drg which i think the casters sorta failed to pick up | ||
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noD
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WhurreOdu
Austria1739 Posts
Unfortunately I couldn't watch day 3 because of terrible stream issues. | ||
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Mordiford
4448 Posts
On March 26 2012 21:55 stratmatt wrote: Based off of what? The fact that the sc2 crowd was like 20 times larger and louder? I don't know, the Halo crowd seemed a lot more lively to me. It certainly helps that they had an amazing tournament at this event, I honestly think Halo had the best tournament out of all the games at this MLG(though I didn't check out the fighting games too much). This is coming from someone who just tuned in to a couple of Halo games back at Dallas, and has only ever watched the Halo stream during Starcraft 2 downtime. This time around I found myself skipping entire Starcraft matches on Championship Sunday to watch Halo, I also skipped most of the finals in favor of the Halo finals. The Halo crowd also just seemed to be hitting all the right beats and getting loud at all the right times while games were going on. | ||
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Femari
United States2900 Posts
On March 26 2012 16:23 msjakofsky wrote: MVP's tvp doesn't suck at all, it's just not as dominant as his other matchups were. it's still above 60% statistically and the only series he lost in gsl that i can recall was to alicia when the game was like one tenth as figured out as today. Same for MMA. His TvP doesn't suck it's just his weakest matchup. I don't get why everyone thinks those two have terrible TvP, they're both 60+% in it in all competitions. | ||
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Ludwigvan
Germany2360 Posts
On March 27 2012 00:24 noD wrote: What is that huk x idra game in hype ? the halluc one watch this from MLG: Fun starting at 9:40. ^^ | ||
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Oon
112 Posts
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SeaSwift
Scotland4486 Posts
On March 27 2012 01:25 Femari wrote: Same for MMA. His TvP doesn't suck it's just his weakest matchup. I don't get why everyone thinks those two have terrible TvP, they're both 60+% in it in all competitions. A lot of people base their feelings of people's skill in a matchup from how their play looks. MMA's TvP looks sloppy at times, and he doesn't have nearly the understanding of it as he does in TvZ. MVP's TvP relies - and always has relied - heavily on early aggression - not normally the standard 1-1-1, but things like 1base 2port banshee (vs Oz in WCG), the MVP-patented 2base 2-2-2 (vs MC on Antiga Shipyard in GSL) and just pure 1base marine/tank (MVP vs MC, 3 games in a row in MLG Providence). Sure, their stats look better than a lot of players', but stats aren't everything. I'm going to use MC as an example here because I'm a massive fanboy - if you look at MC's overall Korean stats, his PvP appears to be his best matchup by a significant margin, while his PvZ and PvT look mediocre in comparison. Realistically, however, his PvZ is his best matchup at the moment, with his PvT still looking strong (ish..) while his PvP is definitely his Achilles heel. Furthermore, if you look at stats alone he looks like a mediocre player in general - Parting and Oz have a higher PvT winrate, Squirtle has a far higher PvZ winrate. However, he is widely accepted to be one of the best Protoss players in the world - considered by some ( :D ) to be the best. | ||
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ProxyKnoxy
United Kingdom2576 Posts
On March 27 2012 01:11 Mordiford wrote: I don't know, the Halo crowd seemed a lot more lively to me. It certainly helps that they had an amazing tournament at this event, I honestly think Halo had the best tournament out of all the games at this MLG(though I didn't check out the fighting games too much). This is coming from someone who just tuned in to a couple of Halo games back at Dallas, and has only ever watched the Halo stream during Starcraft 2 downtime. This time around I found myself skipping entire Starcraft matches on Championship Sunday to watch Halo, I also skipped most of the finals in favor of the Halo finals. The Halo crowd also just seemed to be hitting all the right beats and getting loud at all the right times while games were going on. To be fair, the Halo crowd SHOULD be shouting more often than the SC2 one. Everyone shouts about the snipes, and there are always quite a few in each game. The games in SC2 (except for final) were pretty boring and predictable, it's not like a boxer vs rain game occurred. But to be fair to SC2, Halo's community is basically only NA (and Columbus especially), whereas SC2 has a much bigger fan base and player base. I'm happy for Halo though as they finally seem to be doing something (I've been a fan since '07 in MLG). The games are SO tense most of the time. In general I think there is just much more reason to shout in Halo. | ||
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SeraKuDA
Canada343 Posts
On March 26 2012 22:28 Aemilia wrote: This kind of thing is so pointless at an MLG because there's a gigantic different in skill between players. It's still interesting to note. | ||
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