Joseph Kony and the LRA - Page 5
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TehPrime
United States180 Posts
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tree.hugger
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
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Sinensis
United States2513 Posts
EDIT After reading more... yeah.. Joseph Kony is the worst person ever. No arguing that. Considering he is so horrible though, there is no need to use all the dramatic fluff in the video. Make a video that gets across the most information possible... not the most emotions possible. Children crying does not tell me anything, dramatic music does not tell me anything... If the situation is serious enough, raw facts without the fluff does plenty of justice. | ||
Kenpachi
United States9908 Posts
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HawaiianPig
Canada5154 Posts
On March 07 2012 15:55 Sinensis wrote: The video I just watched feels like it was made to manipulate me, not inform me. Joseph Kony sounds like a despicable person... but that video was shit and makes me not want to donate to their cause. Ask yourself what you think you're being manipulated into... ...to encourage you to spread awareness of a war criminal? Or, perhaps in your case, to further inform yourself on the subject as a result of your skepticism? I think understand your reaction. These attention grabbing tactics are generally used by alarmist groups to spread misinformation. Like, the kind of dramatic voice-overs and music in political attack ads. But what happens when a group uses these very effective attention grabbing tactics to raise awareness for something that isn't unscrupulous? Seriously, take a second and ask yourself: What are you being manipulated into thinking? | ||
Sinensis
United States2513 Posts
On March 07 2012 16:08 HawaiianPig wrote: Ask yourself what you think you're being manipulated into... ...to encourage you to spread awareness of a war criminal? Or, perhaps in your case, to further inform yourself on the subject as a result of your skepticism? I think understand your reaction. These attention grabbing tactics are generally used by alarmist groups to spread misinformation. Like, the kind of dramatic voice-overs and music in political attack ads. But what happens when a group uses these very effective attention grabbing tactics to raise awareness for something that isn't unscrupulous? Seriously, take a second and ask yourself: What are you being manipulated into thinking? If the cause is serious enough my own humanity should do all the convincing that needs done on me. I do not like being manipulated for any cause, for any reason, no matter how legitimate. There are THOUSANDS OF MILLIONS of problems with the planet I can help out with my hard earned cash. It makes it much easier to choose who to donate to and support if all their facts are completely transparent and straightforward. I do not like being manipulated into doing anything, and if this cause is serious enough I do not need to be manipulated to support it I simply need to be EDUCATED. This video does not educate me. | ||
HawaiianPig
Canada5154 Posts
On March 07 2012 16:18 Sinensis wrote: If the cause is serious enough my own humanity should do all the convincing that needs done on me. I do not like being manipulated for any cause, for any reason, no matter how legitimate. There are THOUSANDS OF MILLIONS of problems with the planet I can help out with my hard earned cash. It makes it much easier to choose who to donate to and support if all their facts are completely transparent and straightforward. I do not like being manipulated into doing anything, and if this cause is serious enough I do not need to be manipulated to support it I simply need to be EDUCATED. This video does not educate me. You still haven't answered the question: What are you being manipulated into thinking? | ||
johnnywup
United States3858 Posts
On March 07 2012 16:08 HawaiianPig wrote: Ask yourself what you think you're being manipulated into... ...to encourage you to spread awareness of a war criminal? Or, perhaps in your case, to further inform yourself on the subject as a result of your skepticism? I think understand your reaction. These attention grabbing tactics are generally used by alarmist groups to spread misinformation. Like, the kind of dramatic voice-overs and music in political attack ads. But what happens when a group uses these very effective attention grabbing tactics to raise awareness for something that isn't unscrupulous? Seriously, take a second and ask yourself: What are you being manipulated into thinking? that this is an issue. kony has no power anymore and this whole campaign is a marketing scheme imo. theres no point in hunting down someone who has no power. they make it sound like this is happening today, which it isnt | ||
Kuja
United States1759 Posts
On March 07 2012 16:22 johnnywup wrote: that this is an issue. kony has no power anymore and this whole campaign is a marketing scheme imo. theres no point in hunting down someone who has no power. they make it sound like this is happening today, which it isnt you win the thread. | ||
Wasteweiser
Canada522 Posts
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Sinensis
United States2513 Posts
On March 07 2012 16:21 HawaiianPig wrote: You still haven't answered the question: What are you being manipulated into thinking? I didn't need to answer that question because I don't need to be manipulated to in order to support something, I simply need to be educated about their cause in a non-convoluted, non-sensational manner and then I need to be able to donate in a way that isn't overly inconvenient for me. Those are the only two things I need. Straightforward education and then an streamlined way to support. I don't need to be manipulated into thinking anything because I already believe people like Kony need to go away. | ||
Jisall
United States2054 Posts
The only problem with capturing Kony is dealing with the child soldiers. You cannot ask someone to fight children, nor would you want to. He's hiding behind children as human shields, and any childs death in this case is one to many. I think the only way you are going to deal with this son of a bitch is to take him and his leadership out. Elite snipers, and special troopers. I hate death, I hate even killing Ants with spray (they don't know any better they are just trying to survive like the rest of us). I am against the death penalty in most every case. This is the exception. Take this man out. | ||
HawaiianPig
Canada5154 Posts
Really? Do you honestly think that raising awareness of Kony's actions is a bad thing? There are two realities, here: One where Kony has actual power and is still a threat, and one where he isn't. In the first situation, awareness here is warranted. The guy is still a threat and is still capable of influencing and hurting others. But even if it is true that he has no power anymore: Do you think it's a good idea to leave this situation unresolved? Does it matter how far exactly his reach extends? Can we not still be indignant even if he impacts the world on a smaller scale than he used to? Do you think it's not worth raising these issues in the first place? That the third world, especially in Africa, is easily manipulated by those with the most firepower? Do you think it's not worth even knowing about? Did you know who Kony was before this? (If you did, the majority did not) Why not raise awareness for this and other issues on the back of a poster boy war criminal? Does it matter that the means used are a bit sensational? Would you have even heard about this guy had it not been sensationally presented in the first place? Or, should we sweep this all under the rug because you feel you're being manipulated by a video on the internet? Of all the things that use social media and sensationalism to fight for our attention, what is so egregiously wrong about this one? | ||
DeadEyE X
United States23 Posts
To the people that think the video is manipulative, if you do any research on your own of Kony's actions you'll see that his crimes are real and I think just about any person on earth would agree that what he's doing is wrong. This is a man who has been able to maintain his power because of the lack of attention our world has given him, hopefully this video is the start to a global movement to end his regime. | ||
johnnywup
United States3858 Posts
On March 07 2012 16:38 HawaiianPig wrote: Really? Do you honestly think that raising awareness of Kony's actions is a bad thing? no There are two realities, here: One where Kony has actual power and is still a threat, and one where he isn't. In the first situation, awareness here is warranted. The guy is still a thread and is still capable of influencing and hurting others. But even if it is true that he has no power anymore: Do you think it's a good idea to leave this situation unresolved? what does it matter? whats to resolve anyways? Does it matter how far exactly his reach extends? Can we not still be indignant even if he impacts the world on a smaller scale than he used to? of course he should be stopped from whatever minimal damage he can do now but its just weird how theyre making a huge deal out of it after most of his power has been stripped..why not use this propaganda video when he actually had a huge impact? Do you think it's not worth raising these issues in the first place? That the third world, especially in Africa, is easily manipulated by those with the most firepower? of course its worth raising these issues, but this issue specifically is weird because it isnt a problem right now. why isnt some other, bigger, problem being brought up instead, for people to get behind, rather than one with not as big impact as they're implying? Do you think it's not worth even knowing about? Did you know who Kony was before this? (If you did, the majority did not) its worth knowing about for sure, everything this terrible should be known. i knew who he was, but not much about him or what exactly he did before this Why not raise awareness for this and other issues on the back of a poster boy war criminal? Does it matter that the means used are a bit sensational? id say that it does matter because it manipulates you into not thinking for yourself, and you should be able to judge for yourself what you think, rather than having an opinion thrown at you Would you have even heard about this guy had it not been sensationally presented in the first place? probably not as much, but if media realizes this is how to get people to vote for you, etc, then this could lead to a very bad thing. | ||
Sinensis
United States2513 Posts
On March 07 2012 16:38 HawaiianPig wrote: Really? Do you honestly think that raising awareness of Kony's actions is a bad thing? There are two realities, here: One where Kony has actual power and is still a threat, and one where he isn't. In the first situation, awareness here is warranted. The guy is still a threat and is still capable of influencing and hurting others. But even if it is true that he has no power anymore: Do you think it's a good idea to leave this situation unresolved? Does it matter how far exactly his reach extends? Can we not still be indignant even if he impacts the world on a smaller scale than he used to? Do you think it's not worth raising these issues in the first place? That the third world, especially in Africa, is easily manipulated by those with the most firepower? Do you think it's not worth even knowing about? Did you know who Kony was before this? (If you did, the majority did not) Why not raise awareness for this and other issues on the back of a poster boy war criminal? Does it matter that the means used are a bit sensational? Would you have even heard about this guy had it not been sensationally presented in the first place? Or, should we sweep this all under the rug because you feel you're being manipulated by a video on the internet? Of all the things that use social media and sensationalism to fight for our attention, what is so egregiously wrong about this one? SENSATIONALISM IS BAD. Period. Anyone who uses it is a con and anyone who eats it up is an imbecile. You want to know how to present material without soundling like sensationalist, manipulative, garbage? I present to you: Bob Ross communicating how to paint mountains without sensationalism but still being effective: Here is Fred Rogers in a non-sensationalist interview: And here is a clip of David Attenborough's where he describes a Venus Fly Trap factually and unsensationally. What all of these videos have in common is that I love all three of these men, and none of them use sensationalism to educate. | ||
HawaiianPig
Canada5154 Posts
On March 07 2012 16:52 Sinensis wrote: SENSATIONALISM IS BAD. Period. Anyone who uses it is a con and anyone who eats it up is an imbecile. You want to know how to present material without soundling like sensationalist, manipulative, garbage? I present to you: + Show Spoiler + Bob Ross communicating how to paint mountains without sensationalism but still being effective: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MghiBW3r65M Here is Fred Rogers in a non-sensationalist interview: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjD3LtozAQk And here is a clip of David Attenborough's where he describes a Venus Fly Trap factually and unsensationally. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktIGVtKdgwo What all of these videos have in common is that I love all three of these men, and none of them use sensationalism to educate. Educating and raising awareness are two different things. This is the world you live in. #stopkony is trending on twitter. Attenborough is not. | ||
wishbones
Canada2600 Posts
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Legend`
Canada381 Posts
comment #1 shared the video, not going to donate a single cent though, reason above. | ||
Sinensis
United States2513 Posts
On March 07 2012 16:54 HawaiianPig wrote: Educating and raising awareness are two different things. This is the world you live in. #stopkony is trending on twitter. Attenborough is not. Education is the only way to change anything. Not pressing emotional buttons with music and crying children. Without education no one does anything different. This as far off topic as I go though in this thread. | ||
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