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On December 18 2011 15:59 NicolBolas wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2011 08:16 Fjodorov wrote:On December 17 2011 08:00 jinorazi wrote:On December 17 2011 06:47 carloselcoco wrote:On December 17 2011 02:19 skipgamer wrote:On December 17 2011 02:10 torso wrote:
I just registered after lurking these forums a long time and as well loyally paying for season after season of GSL. I will not be supporting GOM after this ridiculous & unprofessional way of handling the situation. They will have me back as a viewer if the clean up the mess they themselves have created and apologize to Nani, MLG and to us the viewers of both events.
Shape up GOM, this is not acceptable. Did you read the thread? GOM made a mistake in not announcing their new format and hence the change in their seeding system clearly to the foreign audience. (We have established that they had no ill-intent, nor lied to Naniwa/any parties regarding the lack of a Code S seed.) MLG made a mistake in announcing/informing Naniwa that he had received a Code S seed from his providence performance. (This had a snowball effect of course in the entire community assuming he had.)What is unclear is who made the error in communication between the companies, and is the only thing up for dispute. Either way, this comes down to a simple error and simple mistakes and is not worth getting so worked up over. What are you smoking dude?! The agreement between GOM and MLG included Providence and Naniwa won the Code S spot fair and straight. MLG did nothing wrong there! GOM disregarded the agreement when they decided not to give one Code S spot to Naniwa. Naniwa probably would have gotten his code s seed regardless of rule change. what took it away was his action, not gom's change in rule which would actually benefit everyone more. the rule change would have cost little to no negative impact, the issue is its ambiguous announcement. if he didn't probe rush, none of this shitstorm would have happened because the new rule and format still had room for those that were proposed through mlg. again, people are making connections with rule change and naniwa when there isn't any, therefore making this bigger than what it actually is. Can you forget about Naniwa for a second? This is not about him anymore. Its about teams and players paying their tickets to get to a tournament to fight for a prize that doesnt exist. Its about tournament organisers advertising prizes, pretty much handing it to you when you win and then taking it back a month later because of "language barrier". Its about players (again, forget about naniwa, could be anyone who attended mlg), who invest so much time in their careers as gamers and get fooled by "misscommunication". I don't know why you put "misscommunication" (sic) in quotes like that; are you saying that it wasn't a miscommunication? Are you saying that GOM decided to revoke MLG's Code S slot after MLG happened? That makes absolutely no sense. And here's why. If GOM revoked the Code S slot before the Naniwa incident, but after MLG, then it would have made no difference either way. They were giving the guy Code S either way, right? So why bother saying that he was given Code S when he had the spot from MLG? If it happened after the Naniwa incident, then that doesn't make sense either. They revoked his Code S. However he got it, GOM decided that his conduct was unbecoming of a pro-gamer and they didn't want him at their tournament. Whether he was given Code S or whether he earned it at MLG, it makes no difference: GOM took it away due to conduct unbecoming. Therefore, the only explanation that makes sense (outside of conspiracy theory ramblings) is that the decision was made before MLG. And the only reason we didn't know about it was that it wasn't properly communicated. AKA: a miscommunication.
What you are saying means nothing (relevant). Your first statement hardly makes sense. How is what you are saying there suggesting that they can't have made the change after MLG? Because it makes no difference if they did before or after? That means nothing as to what actually happened. And who (GOM?) bothered saying that he was given Code S, and how does that suggest that he didn't already rightfully have it from MLG? It makes absolutely no sense.
It can make sense that they made the change after the Naniwa incident, you're only suggesting it isn't relevant as it doesn't make a difference as they could have just banned him or whatever it is you're trying to say. It means nothing as to when they made the change.
Expain yourself, because to me what you are saying makes no sense at all. If you actually have a point but you're just not explaining it very well then forgive me for doubting you.
On December 18 2011 19:01 Lavi wrote:
1)Even ESV korean-weekly lost their code A spot prior to the incident if i'm not mistaken so I doubt there is any foul play like some people are implying.
2)Ultimately it was a childish move on naniwa's behalf, and as a player in that tournament he is representing SC2 to starcraft fans that are familiar with BW. Now their used to seeing professionalism, and they tune into Blizzard / GSL's biggest year end tournament, and they see ... that. Really an embarrassment to be honest.
1) Did they inform the players and organizers about it? If they did, why not do the same for MLG? If they didn't, well that's just as fucked up.(Edit: I will acknowledge that what you say might be relevant when determining when they made the change to the LXP, but I would still argue that this point of yours isn't able to determine this as GOM doesn't have to have changed the korean-weekly deal and the LXP for MLG at the same time.)
2) It could be characterized as childish, and I won't argue that you have to right to that opinion, but I hope you are aware and that everyone reading your comment is aware that what you say here means nothing when trying to determine with what level of respect and professionalism GOM has acted when changing the LXP deal without telling anyone (or how and when these events have taken place). There are of course many other factors that need to be taken into account when doing this, but your second point is not relevant to this end. Again, I just wanted to make this crystal clear.
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On December 18 2011 15:15 MVega wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2011 15:02 zanmat0 wrote:On December 18 2011 01:22 Noelani wrote:
GOM's actions here are absurd - boarderline illegal. Will not be buying any more GOM passes, as I now feel GOM is as bad if not worse than kespa. Same here and I encourage people to do the same. If you've already bought a pass and GOM refuses to refund it, you can always get your money back through paypal. So we'll punish eSports because we dislike GOM? A company which does lots of help eSports and pretty much nothing to hurt eSports.
Esport is like a beautiful plant, it needs to grow, but we'll cut away the useless shit blocking the Sun. This move by GOM was actually pretty terrible considering it happened right after Naniwa got "kicked" out.
It's win win for me, I get to play more as I dont have to watch GSL 
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Get a life... If you don't like GOM stop watching their events. No one is forcing you to watch. They have every right to remove players form their tourny, and they have every right to change the seeding status without notification as per their contract as MLG has agreed. There's nothing ethically wrong with a business changing the way their product works.
I'm glad they changed the seeding status. This new wildcard seed system is much better. It just so happened that Naniwa got removed before his seed was given. It's still about him, you can see in the foreigner remarks on here (esp from Europe), and you can see it in the fact if he didn't get removed no one would give a shit right now because it'd be Idra/Sen/Naniwa in code s. The new system would've given naniwa a seed if he wasn't a BM/immature player. The only person to blame is Naniwa for his actions. 3 seeds to pros doing well in tournies is better than 1 spot from MLGs.
I'm sure all the whining will stop by the time the next GSL starts anyway when you all buy a ticket to watch the games. I'm sure GOM will be massively saddened by all the publicity you're giving them.
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On December 18 2011 23:06 crappen wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2011 15:15 MVega wrote:On December 18 2011 15:02 zanmat0 wrote:On December 18 2011 01:22 Noelani wrote:
GOM's actions here are absurd - boarderline illegal. Will not be buying any more GOM passes, as I now feel GOM is as bad if not worse than kespa. Same here and I encourage people to do the same. If you've already bought a pass and GOM refuses to refund it, you can always get your money back through paypal. So we'll punish eSports because we dislike GOM? A company which does lots of help eSports and pretty much nothing to hurt eSports. Esport is like a beautiful plant, it needs to grow, but we'll cut away the useless shit blocking the Sun. This move by GOM was actually pretty terrible considering it happened right after Naniwa got "kicked" out. It's win win for me, I get to play more as I dont have to watch GSL
This is a good point. People need a positive outlook.
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On December 18 2011 19:10 gosublade wrote:
lol what a dick move
Pretty much sums it up. Naniwa acted like a spoiled brat, but Gom acted like a royal dick. This whole mess needs to end with Gom apologizing to MLG and making it up to them in a way MLG sees fit so we can finally be done with it all.
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Pretty unprofessional move by GOM here. Contracts need to be crystal clear, and you certainly can't go changing around shit like that.
This makes me sad. Obviously, GOM does a million things right for the e-sports community, but that doesn't mean this shouldn't be recognized as wrong or hurtful.
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I don't get it, as I'm not involved in all the drama. Is this about the probe-rush? o_O
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On December 18 2011 23:06 crappen wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2011 15:15 MVega wrote:On December 18 2011 15:02 zanmat0 wrote:On December 18 2011 01:22 Noelani wrote:
GOM's actions here are absurd - boarderline illegal. Will not be buying any more GOM passes, as I now feel GOM is as bad if not worse than kespa. Same here and I encourage people to do the same. If you've already bought a pass and GOM refuses to refund it, you can always get your money back through paypal. So we'll punish eSports because we dislike GOM? A company which does lots of help eSports and pretty much nothing to hurt eSports. Esport is like a beautiful plant, it needs to grow, but we'll cut away the useless shit blocking the Sun. This move by GOM was actually pretty terrible considering it happened right after Naniwa got "kicked" out. It's win win for me, I get to play more as I dont have to watch GSL
I just think that we should hold off on having a riot until Gom actually does something noteworthy. At this point there is only a miscommunication with MLG which is in all likelihood being dealt with behind the scenes and has nothing to do with us. Giving a Code S spot to someone else because Naniwa lacks respect for his fans, other players, and even organizers is NOT a bad thing, it's quality assurance by giving a hard to get spot to someone that actually wants to play their best rather than someone that will mope and tilt hardcore after losing a bit. Hardly a good reason to deprive oneself of watching the best players in the world play, if anything it makes me want to watch GSL -more- because it shows that they care about quality.
All Gom does for me is provide me with entertaining matches to watch by top quality players and the Naniwa incident doesn't change that.
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I think the only way for this to get settled is for the foreign scene to let GOM know that this is not okay, I'm surprised nobody has been boycotting or putting this issue out in the public eye yet.
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On December 19 2011 01:03 SonOfMKP wrote:
I think the only way for this to get settled is for the foreign scene to let GOM know that this is not okay, I'm surprised nobody has been boycotting or putting this issue out in the public eye yet.
Well about 1/4 of the people posting are saying they're going to boycott GOM 
IMO give them a break, Nani did something that appalled the Koreans. So GOM can either risk losing their legitimacy in letting players get away with throwing games without asking to forfeit, or they can take action. Do a lot of people think the response is harsh? Yeah. Was there a lot of miscommunication over the MLG/Code S issue? Yeah. But point is Nani put GOM in a tough position, it's not as though they were like "hey let's screw over the foreign community cause they're bad, lol!" In fact they go out of their way to encourage foreigners in their league by giving out spots to foreigners without having to go through the usual qualification.
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On December 19 2011 06:05 diophan wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2011 01:03 SonOfMKP wrote:
I think the only way for this to get settled is for the foreign scene to let GOM know that this is not okay, I'm surprised nobody has been boycotting or putting this issue out in the public eye yet. Well about 1/4 of the people posting are saying they're going to boycott GOM IMO give them a break, Nani did something that appalled the Koreans. So GOM can either risk losing their legitimacy in letting players get away with throwing games without asking to forfeit, or they can take action. Do a lot of people think the response is harsh? Yeah. Was there a lot of miscommunication over the MLG/Code S issue? Yeah. But point is Nani put GOM in a tough position, it's not as though they were like "hey let's screw over the foreign community cause they're bad, lol!" In fact they go out of their way to encourage foreigners in their league by giving out spots to foreigners without having to go through the usual qualification.
Yeah but it is bad that they let forigners in to code s without deserving the spot. I Hope idra and sen Lose stright away. Naniwa atleast deserved it. The most anoying thing about this is that gom dident tell Mlg.
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On December 20 2011 02:13 Get.Midikem wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2011 06:05 diophan wrote:On December 19 2011 01:03 SonOfMKP wrote:
I think the only way for this to get settled is for the foreign scene to let GOM know that this is not okay, I'm surprised nobody has been boycotting or putting this issue out in the public eye yet. Well about 1/4 of the people posting are saying they're going to boycott GOM IMO give them a break, Nani did something that appalled the Koreans. So GOM can either risk losing their legitimacy in letting players get away with throwing games without asking to forfeit, or they can take action. Do a lot of people think the response is harsh? Yeah. Was there a lot of miscommunication over the MLG/Code S issue? Yeah. But point is Nani put GOM in a tough position, it's not as though they were like "hey let's screw over the foreign community cause they're bad, lol!" In fact they go out of their way to encourage foreigners in their league by giving out spots to foreigners without having to go through the usual qualification. Yeah but it is bad that they let forigners in to code s without deserving the spot. I Hope idra and sen Lose stright away. Naniwa atleast deserved it. The most anoying thing about this is that gom dident tell Mlg.
IdrA did have a Code S spot before he came back to the US. It's not like he dropped out of Code S into Code A and then left because he did horrible. IdrA has had good showings as well.
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On December 20 2011 02:24 EZSkull wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2011 02:13 Get.Midikem wrote:On December 19 2011 06:05 diophan wrote:On December 19 2011 01:03 SonOfMKP wrote:
I think the only way for this to get settled is for the foreign scene to let GOM know that this is not okay, I'm surprised nobody has been boycotting or putting this issue out in the public eye yet. Well about 1/4 of the people posting are saying they're going to boycott GOM IMO give them a break, Nani did something that appalled the Koreans. So GOM can either risk losing their legitimacy in letting players get away with throwing games without asking to forfeit, or they can take action. Do a lot of people think the response is harsh? Yeah. Was there a lot of miscommunication over the MLG/Code S issue? Yeah. But point is Nani put GOM in a tough position, it's not as though they were like "hey let's screw over the foreign community cause they're bad, lol!" In fact they go out of their way to encourage foreigners in their league by giving out spots to foreigners without having to go through the usual qualification. Yeah but it is bad that they let forigners in to code s without deserving the spot. I Hope idra and sen Lose stright away. Naniwa atleast deserved it. The most anoying thing about this is that gom dident tell Mlg. IdrA did have a Code S spot before he came back to the US. It's not like he dropped out of Code S into Code A and then left because he did horrible. IdrA has had good showings as well.
Yeah coca to and à bunch of other people, but have they got their spot back? I dont think so. Idra did leave and that ment he lost his code s spot. But you are right he did do fine when he was in code s. But that is The past. He have not qualified for it again.
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On December 20 2011 02:13 Get.Midikem wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2011 06:05 diophan wrote:On December 19 2011 01:03 SonOfMKP wrote:
I think the only way for this to get settled is for the foreign scene to let GOM know that this is not okay, I'm surprised nobody has been boycotting or putting this issue out in the public eye yet. Well about 1/4 of the people posting are saying they're going to boycott GOM IMO give them a break, Nani did something that appalled the Koreans. So GOM can either risk losing their legitimacy in letting players get away with throwing games without asking to forfeit, or they can take action. Do a lot of people think the response is harsh? Yeah. Was there a lot of miscommunication over the MLG/Code S issue? Yeah. But point is Nani put GOM in a tough position, it's not as though they were like "hey let's screw over the foreign community cause they're bad, lol!" In fact they go out of their way to encourage foreigners in their league by giving out spots to foreigners without having to go through the usual qualification. Yeah but it is bad that they let forigners in to code s without deserving the spot. I Hope idra and sen Lose stright away. Naniwa atleast deserved it. The most anoying thing about this is that gom dident tell Mlg.
How did naniwa deserve it over them? The spot he won was the blizzardcup spot which he got. The code S spot was never owed him and he was being considered for it. Naniwa is I believe 1-11 in GSL? While both senn and idra were in code S when they left korea. If anything they both deserve the spot way more than naniwa ever did.
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On December 20 2011 02:30 Get.Midikem wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2011 02:24 EZSkull wrote:On December 20 2011 02:13 Get.Midikem wrote:On December 19 2011 06:05 diophan wrote:On December 19 2011 01:03 SonOfMKP wrote:
I think the only way for this to get settled is for the foreign scene to let GOM know that this is not okay, I'm surprised nobody has been boycotting or putting this issue out in the public eye yet. Well about 1/4 of the people posting are saying they're going to boycott GOM IMO give them a break, Nani did something that appalled the Koreans. So GOM can either risk losing their legitimacy in letting players get away with throwing games without asking to forfeit, or they can take action. Do a lot of people think the response is harsh? Yeah. Was there a lot of miscommunication over the MLG/Code S issue? Yeah. But point is Nani put GOM in a tough position, it's not as though they were like "hey let's screw over the foreign community cause they're bad, lol!" In fact they go out of their way to encourage foreigners in their league by giving out spots to foreigners without having to go through the usual qualification. Yeah but it is bad that they let forigners in to code s without deserving the spot. I Hope idra and sen Lose stright away. Naniwa atleast deserved it. The most anoying thing about this is that gom dident tell Mlg. IdrA did have a Code S spot before he came back to the US. It's not like he dropped out of Code S into Code A and then left because he did horrible. IdrA has had good showings as well. Yeah coca to and à bunch of other people, but have they got their spot back? I dont think so. Idra did leave and that ment he lost his code s spot. But you are right he did do fine when he was in code s. But that is The past. He have not qualified for it again.
Naniwa won 3 matches at providence, how is that more deserving than Sen's countless third places.
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On December 20 2011 03:08 hunts wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2011 02:13 Get.Midikem wrote:On December 19 2011 06:05 diophan wrote:On December 19 2011 01:03 SonOfMKP wrote:
I think the only way for this to get settled is for the foreign scene to let GOM know that this is not okay, I'm surprised nobody has been boycotting or putting this issue out in the public eye yet. Well about 1/4 of the people posting are saying they're going to boycott GOM IMO give them a break, Nani did something that appalled the Koreans. So GOM can either risk losing their legitimacy in letting players get away with throwing games without asking to forfeit, or they can take action. Do a lot of people think the response is harsh? Yeah. Was there a lot of miscommunication over the MLG/Code S issue? Yeah. But point is Nani put GOM in a tough position, it's not as though they were like "hey let's screw over the foreign community cause they're bad, lol!" In fact they go out of their way to encourage foreigners in their league by giving out spots to foreigners without having to go through the usual qualification. Yeah but it is bad that they let forigners in to code s without deserving the spot. I Hope idra and sen Lose stright away. Naniwa atleast deserved it. The most anoying thing about this is that gom dident tell Mlg. How did naniwa deserve it over them? The spot he won was the blizzardcup spot which he got. The code S spot was never owed him and he was being considered for it. Naniwa is I believe 1-11 in GSL? While both senn and idra were in code S when they left korea. If anything they both deserve the spot way more than naniwa ever did.
I think he's referring to the fact that everyone besides a few in the Korean community who were doing a lot of speculation (or so it seems) were 100% certain that Naniwa had earned his Code S spot from Providence. And I mean, he did put on a stellar performance at Providence, and I'm sure that he was aiming for the Code S spot (and the win at Providence too ofc) and worked his ass off to get it.
Idk about you, but I'd say he deserved the spot. It's another thing entirely that he messed up and so now it's quite reasonable that he doesn't get the spot, though it would've been better for GOM to just ban him outright instead of trying to make the whole thing look less harsh by explaining that he never actually had the spot, regardless of whether that's true or not.
On December 20 2011 03:12 Ysellian wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2011 02:30 Get.Midikem wrote:On December 20 2011 02:24 EZSkull wrote:On December 20 2011 02:13 Get.Midikem wrote:On December 19 2011 06:05 diophan wrote:On December 19 2011 01:03 SonOfMKP wrote:
I think the only way for this to get settled is for the foreign scene to let GOM know that this is not okay, I'm surprised nobody has been boycotting or putting this issue out in the public eye yet. Well about 1/4 of the people posting are saying they're going to boycott GOM IMO give them a break, Nani did something that appalled the Koreans. So GOM can either risk losing their legitimacy in letting players get away with throwing games without asking to forfeit, or they can take action. Do a lot of people think the response is harsh? Yeah. Was there a lot of miscommunication over the MLG/Code S issue? Yeah. But point is Nani put GOM in a tough position, it's not as though they were like "hey let's screw over the foreign community cause they're bad, lol!" In fact they go out of their way to encourage foreigners in their league by giving out spots to foreigners without having to go through the usual qualification. Yeah but it is bad that they let forigners in to code s without deserving the spot. I Hope idra and sen Lose stright away. Naniwa atleast deserved it. The most anoying thing about this is that gom dident tell Mlg. IdrA did have a Code S spot before he came back to the US. It's not like he dropped out of Code S into Code A and then left because he did horrible. IdrA has had good showings as well. Yeah coca to and à bunch of other people, but have they got their spot back? I dont think so. Idra did leave and that ment he lost his code s spot. But you are right he did do fine when he was in code s. But that is The past. He have not qualified for it again. Naniwa won 3 matches at providence, how is that more deserving than Sen's countless third places.
You could take into account that he earned that seeding at Providence by winning countless other matches during the regular season. Not as relevant though perhaps seemingly so (and yet obviously not) is his matches in the MLG Global Invitational.
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On December 20 2011 03:24 Bogeyman wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2011 03:08 hunts wrote:On December 20 2011 02:13 Get.Midikem wrote:On December 19 2011 06:05 diophan wrote:On December 19 2011 01:03 SonOfMKP wrote:
I think the only way for this to get settled is for the foreign scene to let GOM know that this is not okay, I'm surprised nobody has been boycotting or putting this issue out in the public eye yet. Well about 1/4 of the people posting are saying they're going to boycott GOM IMO give them a break, Nani did something that appalled the Koreans. So GOM can either risk losing their legitimacy in letting players get away with throwing games without asking to forfeit, or they can take action. Do a lot of people think the response is harsh? Yeah. Was there a lot of miscommunication over the MLG/Code S issue? Yeah. But point is Nani put GOM in a tough position, it's not as though they were like "hey let's screw over the foreign community cause they're bad, lol!" In fact they go out of their way to encourage foreigners in their league by giving out spots to foreigners without having to go through the usual qualification. Yeah but it is bad that they let forigners in to code s without deserving the spot. I Hope idra and sen Lose stright away. Naniwa atleast deserved it. The most anoying thing about this is that gom dident tell Mlg. How did naniwa deserve it over them? The spot he won was the blizzardcup spot which he got. The code S spot was never owed him and he was being considered for it. Naniwa is I believe 1-11 in GSL? While both senn and idra were in code S when they left korea. If anything they both deserve the spot way more than naniwa ever did. I think he's referring to the fact that everyone besides a few in the Korean community who were doing a lot of speculation (or so it seems) were 100% certain that Naniwa had earned his Code S spot from Providence. And I mean, he did put on a stellar performance at Providence, and I'm sure that he was aiming for the Code S spot (and the win at Providence too ofc) and worked his ass off to get it. Idk about you, but I'd say he deserved the spot. It's another thing entirely that he messed up and so now it's quite reasonable that he doesn't get the spot, though it would've been better for GOM to just ban him outright instead of trying to make the whole thing look less harsh by explaining that he never actually had the spot, regardless of whether that's true or not. Show nested quote +On December 20 2011 03:12 Ysellian wrote:On December 20 2011 02:30 Get.Midikem wrote:On December 20 2011 02:24 EZSkull wrote:On December 20 2011 02:13 Get.Midikem wrote:On December 19 2011 06:05 diophan wrote:On December 19 2011 01:03 SonOfMKP wrote:
I think the only way for this to get settled is for the foreign scene to let GOM know that this is not okay, I'm surprised nobody has been boycotting or putting this issue out in the public eye yet. Well about 1/4 of the people posting are saying they're going to boycott GOM IMO give them a break, Nani did something that appalled the Koreans. So GOM can either risk losing their legitimacy in letting players get away with throwing games without asking to forfeit, or they can take action. Do a lot of people think the response is harsh? Yeah. Was there a lot of miscommunication over the MLG/Code S issue? Yeah. But point is Nani put GOM in a tough position, it's not as though they were like "hey let's screw over the foreign community cause they're bad, lol!" In fact they go out of their way to encourage foreigners in their league by giving out spots to foreigners without having to go through the usual qualification. Yeah but it is bad that they let forigners in to code s without deserving the spot. I Hope idra and sen Lose stright away. Naniwa atleast deserved it. The most anoying thing about this is that gom dident tell Mlg. IdrA did have a Code S spot before he came back to the US. It's not like he dropped out of Code S into Code A and then left because he did horrible. IdrA has had good showings as well. Yeah coca to and à bunch of other people, but have they got their spot back? I dont think so. Idra did leave and that ment he lost his code s spot. But you are right he did do fine when he was in code s. But that is The past. He have not qualified for it again. Naniwa won 3 matches at providence, how is that more deserving than Sen's countless third places. You could take into account that he earned that seeding at Providence by winning countless other matches during the regular season. Not as relevant though perhaps seemingly so (and yet obviously not) is his matches in the MLG Global Invitational.
He earned that seeding mostly because of his dallas win before the koreans showed up. His achievements after the koreans showed up haven't been particularly impressive (although consistent enough) until the finals in providence. He peaked when it mattered the most.. Of course his horrendous record in the GSL makes me biased, but I'd rather see what Sen can do to be quite honest.
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On December 16 2011 12:47 rotegirte wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 12:42 lOvRyooMak wrote:On December 16 2011 12:15 rotegirte wrote:On December 16 2011 12:08 hunts wrote:On December 16 2011 10:53 lOvRyooMak wrote:Hi im a korean living in korea.. I regularly visit korean sites playxp and thisisgame for sc2 There seems to be a lot of misscommunication and confusion overseas I dont see what the fuss is about regarding the format change To be exact the new 2012 gsl format was announced at night dec10th korean time, the night before the start of the blizzard Cup. So what if the format was changed before or after the blizzard cup? The gsl format was always changed every one or two seasons for improvement I remember seeing reactions by people here on TL - i like the new GSL Format! But i dont like the new GSTL format.. Etc Regarding the code S seeding change... As the MLG also clearly stated it is in all gomtv's right to change seeding however they please. Why can't you see that the seeding change was meant to give international players more opportunity in the GSL? The previous seeding would give the seed to the top placed players in the mlg regardless if it were a korean or not. Instead they decided to nominate top international players as candidates for the two seed spots, and the judges would select two probably based on various criteria. i.e personal reasons- not every player may wish to come play in korea. In this case as mentioned in gomtv's latest post sen.idra and naniwa were selected as candidates. But due to naniwa's conduct in the blizzard cup they decided to give it to sen and idra. The nominees and criteria were not announced prior to the decision because the criteria was probably not decided yet! Naniwa's misbehaviour made the decision easier for gom IMO. You have to understand that the gsl is still experimental. Gomtv knows there is room for improvement here and there and is constantly trying to change and develop their league. Making announcements before the system were solidified and decisions were made would make an even bigger confusion and possible shitstorm if it were changed everday. Yes it would be nice if gomtv could just post here on TL and explain ever little thing that is going on what they are discussing and wanting to change. But as you might have noticed the people at gomtv are not that good at english and there can only be misinterpretations here and there. I have been to the gomtv studio many times and what you must understand is that it is quite smaller than you may think. In fact its tiny compared to competitions like mlg or dreamhack. The whole gomtv staff only number about 20people. There are only limitations to what these 20people can do at omce. They cant be everywhere answering all questions here and there and making decisions at once. What i would really like to say is there is always a perfectly good explanation to everything.. Otherwise the korean community would have a bigger shitstorm. The last thing koreans want is something like kespa. instead of making blunt observations on misscommunication and Misinterpretations perhaps wait for a proper announcement by gom or maybe help on a better translation on korean articles before making a shitstorm out of nothing  Thank you very much for that. Quoting it in hopes more people read it, it's a very well written post with many good points. I really wish more people would think straight rather than letting their emotions get the better of them and make them completely unreasonable and biased. I think with the naniwa incident GOM got caught between a rock and a hard place. If they did nothing, many of the koreans that were throwing a shitstorm would stop supporting them. If they took action, as you can see a lot of the naniwa fanboys decided to throw a shitstorm and stop supporting them. In the end as they are a korean based organization and there are far more koreans outraged at naniwas actions than there are nanniwa fans outraged at GOMs actions, I think they did the right thing both morally and for business purposes. I do wish things could've been a bit clearer as to what happened with the GSL/MLG exchange program with providennce, but I think it's starting to make sense now, I just wish more people would take the time to read up on what happened and try to understand it rather than coming here and flaming GOM without even reading the facts. It has little to do with "misunderstanding". When they want to punish NaNiwa, just say it as it is. "What NaNiwa did was wrong, he gets no Code S seed, period." Fanboys would be raging no matter what. Instead they climbed into a time machine and said "Remember the rules you agreed to and played under back in November in Providence? Right, forget them. We are changing the rules now, a month after the tournament finished". You don't do that- you could even call it fraud. Have you ever supported any other tournament to go call one of their previous winners and say "The money you should recieve for your last win, actually we now think you should only get half of it". What im saying is yes his prize was change The prize was changed because the seed format was chamged. Im only pointing out there is a good reason for the change-to give more opportunities It is a sacrifice naniwa was forced to make for the good of the gsl. Naniwa should be well credited for it. The change in seed format had nothing to do with blizzcup, naniwa and quantic have accepted it. Fans of naniwa can be angry.. But it wont change anything. Naniwa still had a chance for the code S seed being a candidate but gom eliminated Him from the candidate list due to blizzcup. End of story You can be angry as you like at gom for changing his prize and or taking his candidate position But im just pointing out it was an optimal decision for the tournament itself Please take your time and re-read my posts. Especially the long one. No one here discusses the change. It is a whole different matter. Many in TL actually find the new format really good, or at least a good improvement. It also doesn't matter whether NaNiwa get's Code S or not. I think you deliberately skipped 99% of my posts. Because that's another thing I had to repeat over and over. It is about changing rules afterwards. Imagine a test in school. Your teacher tells you: "draw a house". One week later he gives you the results of the test. And says: "By the way, I changed the rules of the test. The new goal is to draw a horse. You have 0 points, enjoy" What I am saying is, they can change their format. Just tell others about it before the tournament. And not after.
The example you give is flawed. Its actually closer to, wow Naniwa why did you write Fuck you on the houses door . The bonus marks you've earned last week has been nullified.
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