EPTI don't really have anything else to say on the matter, if you still disagree with me pressuring people then that's cool, you're entitled to your own opinion I guess. I will continue to use whatever methods I believe are effective at scum-hunting.
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xsksc
United Kingdom1044 Posts
I don't really have anything else to say on the matter, if you still disagree with me pressuring people then that's cool, you're entitled to your own opinion I guess. I will continue to use whatever methods I believe are effective at scum-hunting. | ||
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ElectricBlack
United Kingdom38 Posts
He did step in to try and stop us at each other's throats, which directly opposes mafia agenda, which is to make the thread as much of a mess as possible. He could easily have feigned afk or something. His initial posts didn't give me much of a scum vibe from them. His reaction to the pressure seems genuine and the list of reads he posted is for the most part pretty good, he not only gives us his reads, but also explains the thought process behind each read which I find to be very helpful in determining his alignment. I would like for him not to die today. | ||
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xsksc
United Kingdom1044 Posts
Tunkeg, I want to hear from you as soon as possible. | ||
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ElectricBlack
United Kingdom38 Posts
On December 05 2011 00:26 Hassybaby wrote: Later on, I'm all for it. But not Day 1 imo, and especially not less than 24 hours since the start of the game. The whole idea behind lynching lurkers is to use the day 1 lynch to get rid of one, this is simply because it's inevitable that town has worse reads on day 1 than any other day, so what you're sacrificing is a chance of catching scum, and the reward is better chance to hit scum in the later days. Statistically, the day 1 lynch is the least valuable one for town, because it has the least chance of hitting scum, so I think the idea of saving lurkers until later in the game is very bad. If we're going to use a lynch to teach lurkers a lesson, it'll be the day 1 lynch. I don't think we actually have a lurker in the game, so the discussion is irrelevant, but at the time HassyBaby was pushing an idea I can in no way see as town favored. Moving on.... On December 05 2011 01:49 Hassybaby wrote: Firstly, I'm honoured that you think I'm a veteran, but you're totally wrong. I'm not a veteran in any way shape or form. This is my second game, and my first game was XLVII, and we all know how that went  Why do you want people to think you're new and bad? What is the reasoning behind that? Isn't the optimal way to play as town to come across as good as possible, because that makes people more likely to listen to you and be convinced by you instead of not listening to you. Not only that, but you're also shredding responsibility. If you're new surely you can't be held accountable for using bad logic, having bad reads and not playing optimally. If someone said I was a "veteran", I'd run with it, because that helps me get my points across, and it forces me to play very well. There are two factions in mafia, only one of them likes being ignored and perceived useless. And that faction is not town. On December 05 2011 01:49 Hassybaby wrote: This goes especially to you Tunkeg, because right now it feels like you're playing the Serejai role from XLVII. Accusing everyone isn't going to help. In fact, it can easily get you ignored in the thread. Accusing people is fine, but do it within reason considering situations in the game. Tunkeg is applying pressure by asking questions and analysing how people respond, Serejai just painted names red and gave no particular reason for it. Also, you seem to be assuming Tunkeg must be town? Interesting. Next post that caught my interest: On December 05 2011 09:24 Hassybaby wrote: And people have posted since I last saw.... Veli, yeah I think I went over-defensive there. I misinterpreted Tunkeg's posts, and that's my bad. The post about BKEXE is a good catch. I'd again like to see what he says about that. Meanwhile, for lack of a better vote right now, I'll be voting on BK. That is totally based on Veli's point, as I don't see strong cases against tohers right now. So odds are I'll change the vote tomorrow, especially if BK makes a good point. ##BroodKingEXE And finally, even after all this time Hassybaby doesn't have as much to go on. He puts down a vote based on the reasonings of others, which obviously frees him of all responsibility for the lynch if it's wrong. And despite already having piggybacked onto someone else's reasoning instead of explaining his own thought process, Hassybaby decides to specifically state that the vote might be changed. There is no reason to do that, if he has a better scumread than BK at some point he can just explain that and change. Once again I feel like Hassybaby is attempting his best to not be responsible for his actions. If Hassybaby is town, he is doing his best to make sure no one listens to him, essentially making him useless. But the reasonable explanation is that he is scum. ##Vote Hassybaby | ||
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xsksc
United Kingdom1044 Posts
It's so snowy here I'm just gonna stay inside and f5 the thread, need more people posting! | ||
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ElectricBlack
United Kingdom38 Posts
On December 05 2011 23:44 xsksc wrote: Hmm, it's like 4pm EU time, where are all the europeans?:\ It's so snowy here I'm just gonna stay inside and f5 the thread, need more people posting! How do you feel about my case against Hassybaby. If you were to suggest that I revisit someone's posting history in order to determine his alignment, whom would you suggest? | ||
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Adam4167
Australia1426 Posts
On December 05 2011 17:59 xtfftc wrote: I'm on my phone at lunch, so I'll be brief for now. I think that Bke is the easy lynch at the momenand Ipm glad we have bettee targets now. Byte is my top lurker and he'd make an okay lynch if we end up looking at the lurkers. Xskc looks a bit beteer but he still hasn't lived up to his early play. I'll make sure not to throw away my votw for an unlikely candidate by voting for someone who wont get lynched like I did in xlvii and I encourage everyone to do the sa,e. Also, remember that last minute changes tend to help mafia. Out of the two best candidates I find Adam's dwfence much better (he is at least giving usomethimg to analyse), so I'll probably go for BE. I missed this post earlier through all the xsksc/EB drama. Xtfftc, are you encouraging bandwagons with the section I have bolded? I cast my vote in Jaybrundage's direction, even though I am the only one that's taken even the slightest bit of interest in him besides Tunkeg, because to do otherwise would be at odds with my analysis and reads. Good townie's should not be casting their vote based on the probability that the person will get lynched, they should be voting on whomever they have scum reads on regardless of the current vote situation. I am off to bed now guys. I have set my alarm to wake me up 2 hours before the deadline to contribute as much as possible before the day ends. | ||
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Velinath
United States694 Posts
On December 05 2011 20:34 ElectricBlack wrote: Velinath agreed with BH's reasoning that I must be scum because I decided not to vote, He already has shown himself to be willing to be critical of the situation, so I'm not worried about him. Once he realizes my choice of not voting was actually optimal in the situation (as explained when I first started responding to the cases built while I slept), I think he will find something more productive to do. Hi! I never said you were scum. I said you were playing anti-town. There's a key difference - check out ... oh, shoot, I can't remember if it was Kenpachi or Coagulation in 46. One (or both) of them was lurking extremely hardcore, promised analysis "tomorrow" that never got there, posted a few one-liners here and there - and then they flipped town. The players in 46 didn't necessarily assume that they were scum - just not playing to the best interests of the town. I thought the same thing about you here. Now, that said, both the reasoning you posted for why you didn't post and your case on Hassy are quite good. I think if you had just said "Hey, it's 1 am here, I'll post some thougts in the morning" I think that would have been fine - time zones are things we can understand.  What's happened has happened, though.##Unvote Now, some questions. Tunkeg posted some good content early, and now he's completely disappeared. I'd like to hear more from him, because right now he's gone from being a helpful member to lurking pretty hard for a while now. BByte still hasn't checked in despite both myself and, later, xtfftc mentioning him. I want to hear from him - he's provided minimal content including a very half-assed case on me and some sketchy analysis on ey215. This could just be lazy play but it's starting to worry me, since after voting me (posts doing so comprise almost half of his filter!) he's disappeared. I would be happy to see him lynched, especially since the two people I previously had worries about content generation have stepped up in a big way and helped out. ##Vote: BByte Adam and EB have both stepped up and provided some good analysis (and I was really impressed by EB's case. I'm going to take a closer look at Hassybaby. Calling someone "Serejai" after watching 47, even if not voting them, reeks of OMGUS as I said earlier in the thread, and is an overreaction to light pressure - plus, the bandwagoning is, as noted here in addition to your case, a matter for some concern. Headed to class but I should be able to keep an eye on the thread. | ||
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BroodKingEXE
United States829 Posts
Will not be able to be on before the lynch as I have a concert. Might try to get one more post in during lunch. | ||
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Grackaroni
United States9832 Posts
@Velinath we need to get out of this attitude of accusing people for being absent from the thread for more than 12 hours. I feel like it's starting to cause chaos because we end up accusing everybody for not posting much when it's likely that they may have been busy. That said xsksc and I came to the conclusion that Tunkeg was suspicious because he switched his reads without xsksc saying anything else in the thread. He goes from saying : xsksc: Is taking on the role of an educator this far. Telling us noobs how this game works. This gives him a strong position, and a easily abused position. So far his posts have been educationally and only that. I expect more from a "veteran" like you. Post some analysis, do more, help us scumhunt! In the first post it seems like he may be leaning town but only within a few hours, during a time when xsksc didn't say anything at all he changes his mind to believing he is scum: xsksc Scum. If I had to pick three scums right now xsksc would be my third pick, I'd say more based on a hunch and not so much reasoning. It is his way of gaining trust, while not really providing any pressure to anyone or other pro town activities. On December 05 2011 05:30 Tunkeg wrote: To be honest I did go abit wild with the coloring. I should perhaps have used more leaning town/leaning scum reads i my post. Anyways the reason I put ey215 as town was the feel I got from his posts. He posts his view about town-environment, he states his view about the risk of bandwagoning and that sort of stuff. All of which I consider pro-town posting. What I didn't incorperate in my analysis when posting the list was the defensive attitude he initially took against Blazinghand. Still my read on him is leaning town Once again it seems like from just a little bit of pressure he decided to change his reads, which just seems inconsistent to me. At the end of your filter you alluded something about a hidden agenda to Xfftc's posts. I am interested in this because he is definitely a null read for me at the moment, and I'm curious if you're still suspicious of him after the changes in the the thread. I wouldn't blame you if you think there is better lynches right now because a lot has changed. As of right now I would be satisfied with a Tunkeg or a Hassybaby lynch. if somebody still wants to push a strong case for an Adam/EB lynch I would still be open to that. I Definitely want to hear some of your opinions Tunkeg. | ||
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Tunkeg
Norway1235 Posts
First I would like to say, we can not lynch a easy target lurker today, unless you feel you have absolutely no read on anyone. While I was away xsksc have done quite abit of posting. And that is great, cause his postings have made me more certain he is scum. And thats not only because he labels me suspicious, but thats part of it. Here is my analyze of xsksc and why he should get lynched today. Schizo From beeing mr helpful and mr smileyface yesterday:: + Show Spoiler + On December 04 2011 12:06 xsksc wrote: For those of you playing your first game, hi! There are a couple of things you may want to know. Don't lie. As town, lying is almost never going to help, it'll probably just end up with you getting lynched. Don't be too quick to mindlessly jump on every bandwagon. Keep an open mind and vote for someone you believe there is a strong case on, or if you want to start your own case, write some good analysis on who you think is scum. Don't be a sheep. Try hard not to lurk, if townies are lurking it's a lot easier for scum to lurk with you. Just post whatever your thoughts are, let us know how you feel about X's post or Y's suspicious behavior. Let's get some discussion going! What do you guys think of policy lynches in general? Do you think they are a good idea, if so, why? Personally I disagree with lynching a lurker JUST because they're lurking, in a game like this anyway. The risk of hitting a townie is way too high. Lynch all liars is a great idea though. It discourages people from lying right from day 1, the only people with a good reason to lie are scum. On December 04 2011 12:26 xsksc wrote: Well, with something like a counter-claim, we have to decide who's telling the truth and who's not, breadcrumbs are useful for this later in the game. If we happen to get it wrong and kill the blue, we get a guarenteed scum lynch the next day, so it's not the end of the world Don't get the wrong idea here blues, we do NOT want you to claim now cause you'll just get shot, it's just a hypothetical situation. On December 04 2011 13:13 xsksc wrote: Ok I'm going to clarify for those unsure. Changing your past opinnion about someone or being wrong about something is not gonna get you lynched for lying. A misunderstanding is not a lie. Telling us you got roleblocked or medic saved etc when nobody visited you that night, that's a lie. Making a fake dt claim to try and lynch someone you think is scum, that's a lie. It's ok to be wrong, just don't straight up lie He have become mr aggressive and fuck-you guy today: + Show Spoiler + On December 05 2011 18:57 xsksc wrote: No, you're not supposed to read it like that. I said what you did was really anti-town, and it was dumb whatever your alignment is. If you're town, don't ever do something out of spite, it's stupid. If you're mafia, it's dumb too for obvious reasons. If you are a townie, the responsibility is on YOU to not do dumb shit like that. It's your job to not get lynched. I'm not pressuring you because you're an easy lynch, if you read my filter I've been transparent all game, I don't want town doing dumb stuff. If you're under pressure from someone, don't make an FU post and leave, it really doesn't make you look good. On December 05 2011 19:20 xsksc wrote: It looks like you really don't understand how voting works in mafia. I can unvote you AT ANY TIME. My vote on you is not final. It's called pressure, and it's working. Pressure voting is very common in mafia games, it makes people uncomfortable and it gets responses out of people. Am I voting you because I have a 100% sure reason to believe you're mafia? Lol, of course not, I don't need to give you a list of evidence as to why you're scum, that's ridiculous. It's a pressure vote, nothing more nothing less, and it certainly seems to be working. I've said this 3 fucking times now, maybe you'll finally get the message. DOING SOMETHING OUT OF SPITE IS ANTI-TOWN. That's why you got my vote. Anti-town = bad. The way you are over-reacting to the pressure is interesting though, and it's something I'll definitely take note of. On December 05 2011 19:41 xsksc wrote: Are you actually reading what I'm saying? Fuck me man, seriously. On December 05 2011 20:08 xsksc wrote: I've told you. I've told you four fucking times and I'm starting to lose my patience here. "Now I'm not gonna vote him until the morning just to spite you." This is so incredibly anti-town. It wouldn't have been a big deal if you just had to go and posted your analysis in the morning, but withholding JUST to spite him? If you think that's okay then I don't know what to say. It's dumb regardless of alignment. I never said I have strong evidence that you are scum. I said I was PRESSURE voting you, to see how you respond. Anti-town = / = Scum This is not about me trying to find an easy bandwagon. Please just think logically for a second, there were 2 votes on you and 5 on adam, which one looks like the easier bandwagon to you? This isn't even about me wanting you lynched. Prior to this incident we had a very small ammount of your posts to analyze. Now we have a LOT more to work with. Do you see now? It's not about lynching you, it's about getting you talking, getting your reactions to pressure, and you seeing how you defend yourself. Why is that? Did someone call him out yesterday, and now he need to change his playstyle? Well, this is scummy to me, going from nice guy to ass over the night is strange. Easy kills He made his general analysis in the post shown in spoiler below. Where he have greened out the "safe bets" Velinath and Blazinghand, who have been doing alot of posting, but who neither one have put him under the spotlight. He proceeds to red out all the easy targets like Adam4167 (got alot of votes on him at the time), BroodKingEXE (maybe scum he writes, a player who easily could get lynched for beeing a lurker) and ElectrickBlack. All these lynches are easy lynches for scum! No one will suspect any scums for beeing responsible for these lynches if they turn up green. Am I saying that all of them are green, NO, I know to little about them. But what I do know is that scum will benifit from a misslynch on one of those (at least at the time of xsksc's post, he changed his view on ElectricBlack, which I will discuss further down). + Show Spoiler + On December 05 2011 11:49 xsksc wrote: This is my list of reads/thoughts/general opinnions about people for the first half of day 1. Adam4167 Possible lynch Looks like a major candidate for the lynch at the moment. I wouldn't strongly disagree with this, his small ammount of posts don't bode well for him. I do have trouble believing a noobie scum would actively pick a fight with 2 of towns leading figures, that doesn't make sense to me. BByte Unsure He has only 4 posts with a decent ammount of content, not a lot to go on. Velinath seems a bit of a weird target to go after though, and BByte's case on him seems a bit half-assed. Velinath's posts are a a little fluffy, but I'm not getting a scum read on him, at least not from your case. I don't think Velinath is a good day 1 lynch, at least not for the moment. Blazinghand Leaning town Blazinghand so far has been very aggressive, which is good for town. He started out a little over-the-top, attacking europeans who were at that time asleep. He has since made much more sense, forced the lurkers to unburrow, got some active discussion going, which is all pro-town. Nobody is confirmed town until they flip, but I think he's working hard to be pro-town. BroodKingEXE Town lurker/Maybe Scum A lot of one liners and a list. Really, not a lot to go on with this guy either -_- Possible candidate for a lurker-lynch, if we go down that path. ElectricBlack Scum This guy would be a GREAT lynch. He claims to be happy lynching Hassybaby, but when the pressure is put on him to put action behind words, he get's pissed off and doesn't vote to SPITE town? That's so fucking incredibly anti-town. He better have a good defence ready when he wakes up. ey215 Town? First post of his to take note of is this : He's very defensive at the slightest pressure, which is interesting, but by itself isn't scummy. His later posts look pro-town I haven't seen anything really suspicious or scummy out of him. On my townie list for now. Grackaroni Hassybaby Jaybrundage xtfftc Neutral These guys all seem to fall under the same category. They aren't looking incredibly pro-town, but there's not much scummy about them either. I'll leave them here for now. Tunkeg Suspicious This guy jumps straight into the thread, with his first post being a list of reads. 4 posts later.... Suddenly I go from "town educator" in your first list to being on your scum list based off a hunch. Between the time of your two read posts, what did I post to change your mind so drastically? Where did you get this "hunch"? This is what I find suspicious, in a short ammount of time your reads change for almost no reason, with nothing to back it up, please provide more reasoning and analysis as to why you came to those conclusions in the future. Velinath Leaning town It's been mentioned that this guy seems to be echoing what others have already said. I wouldn't disagree with this, but I'm not putting him on my scum list just because he posts fluff. At least he IS posting a large ammount, which gives us more stuff to work with on day 2 than the guys with 5-10 posts. He's active, and he's trying to be pro-town. I'll put him on the townie list for now. I think that's everyone, so far the game has been good for town I think, plenty of discussion and pressure. [b]Discredit In his post shown above he also discredits me, and label me as suspicious. But he won't act on it, he is setting me up for a later lynch, or maybe just portray me as a fool. Why oh why? Besides xtfftc I have been the only one really getting on his case. For the town to disregard me is a good thing for him as a scum. He says my scumlist is what is suspicious. Again, the scumlist came after I was asked a question on where I put the allegiance of the different players. Yes, I did use colours, and maybe some will say I used to much colours based on the current reads, but it got the red ones talking. Other than that what I consider the most suspicious about my play is that I have been abit all over the place. Poking alot, maybe not beeing good enough with the follow-up. But that I think is a sound strategy in the beginning of day one. Now, as we close in on the first lynch I will scope it down. Applying pressure, but on the wrong terms xsksc have been applying pressure on ElectricBlack because EB said he would not put down his vote on spite. He goes over the top on something as unimportant as that, trying to pin ElectricBlack as a poor townie for it, feeding into his easy target redlist before. He eventually backs down when he see it won't take him anywhere. | ||
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xsksc
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Velinath
United States694 Posts
I missed one of BByte's posts, but it didn't say a whole lot anyway. A wishy-washy "well, the cases look good, but that might change when they post" isn't really content. I'd posit that when accusing someone of not having content in your posts, you should probably have some yourself. I'll stay on his case until he defends himself from my vote. I would support a Hassybaby lynch as well, considering what multiple people have said about him. His vote reasoning is beyond weak. Tunkeg, I'm not so sure about. His early posts were decent and he did apply some effective pressure, but I agree that changing his reads twice in such a short frame of time is suspicious. | ||
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Tunkeg
Norway1235 Posts
A lynch on xsksc would give alot of information regardless of his alignment. I will even encourage you to vote on me if you think I am leaning scum, because then you get to see my colour, and you can act on that on day 2. Also if you think I am leaning scum, I might be doing a worse job than I think I am, and the town my be better off without me. That beeing said, I am town (yeah, you can't know) and I do want to live longer (even though I might get killed off by scum if they can't frame me). | ||
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xsksc
United Kingdom1044 Posts
The main points of your case on me seem to be... me going after easy kills and not being a super nice guy today? Right... I've placed one vote all game, and that was on the guy with 2 votes on him. I didn't discredit you, I just pointed out a MASSIVE inconsistancy in your reads, something that has been echoed by others too. I appreciate the effort you're putting in, it's good. It's just a bad case. Could you please explain how I went from "town educator" to scum, on your read list, without me actually posting anything in between? Major inconsistancy and you need to back it up. | ||
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Tunkeg
Norway1235 Posts
On December 06 2011 00:30 xsksc wrote: Lol. I said you were suspicious because your read on me changed drastically when I said nothing between your posts. I'm not setting you up for a lynch, it's just suspicious. You have to do better than that to lose my vote. And you have to find a better candidate for lynch (be it me or anyone) or else I am sticking with you. My read never changed drastically. I said it in my first post that you IMO had not made any usefull posts, just helpfull, giving you a powerfull role. I then was asked to post my views on town, I decided to do it with the three I considered most likely scum at the moment coloured. And then I wrote on your case "It is his way of gaining trust, while not really providing any pressure to anyone or other pro town activities." I say that is pretty much the same, even if I prematurely labeled you scum. + Show Spoiler + On December 04 2011 20:58 Tunkeg wrote: Hi guys, then I am up and awake, and have read through the entire thread. Lynch all liars/Lynch all lurkers My view here is lynch all confirmed liars, if you claim something that is proven wrong you must die. On lynch all lurkers, all non-poster/few posts must die. Thats all I have to say about policy lynches. Now for the game so far, this is my view: Adam 4167: Did the first post of the thread and a policy post. Not much content this far. That beeing said he is from Australia and have probably slept through most of the game this far. Grackorini: Made some filler post and some policy lynch posts this far. Would like to see him get more into the game. Velinath: Is the big time poster in this game so far, together with Blazinghand and ey215. In the beginning alot of no-content posts and alot of posts about policy lynches. Have picked it up by the end of this thread, and are actually beeing helpful for town now. xtfftc Besides one post discussing policy votes the rest of the post have been filler posts. Expect him to get more active now as he is EU. xsksc: Is taking on the role of an educator this far. Telling us noobs how this game works. This gives him a strong position, and a easily abused position. So far his posts have been educationally and only that. I expect more from a "veteran" like you. Post some analysis, do more, help us scumhunt! jaybrundage: The dissapointment of the game this far (strong words, but I think jaybrundage can take it). He is also a veteran, and should now that posting quality stuff is important. As of now there have been alot of filler posts. ey215: After Blazinghand started pressure him he have started making posts that benefits town. Abit defensive and emotional. Blazinghand: MVP of the game thus far. He is pressuring people and is the one getting the discussions started. I like this agressive play, town needs it! That beeing said, it can quickly go over the top and go from beeing pro town, to making a bad town environment. BroodKingEXE Mostly filler posts. Have already been pressured, and rightfully so. Need to start making usefull posts. Bbyte, ElectricBlack and Hassybaby Time to wake up and post! On December 05 2011 00:02 Tunkeg wrote: Of course. Some of the answers I have asked I have summarized in my opening post. But I will be more spesific about my thoughts on players alignment and who I at this moment would lynch if I had: Alignment For a starter I don't think the scum players have been all that active yet. Adam4167 Neutral. Got to little info on him, only 2 posts. Abit scummy that he makes the first post after the game starts, and then do nothing (almost) when the discussions get going. Grackorini Neutral. Not a whole lot of posts here either. Mainly policy posts, but I agree on his point of view here. And I am leaning town here. Velinath Neutral. Leaning town. Alot of posts, some of them I see as pro town, but also alot of fillers whic I see as pro scum. xtfftc Neutral. Abit to many policy posts for my liking. The other posts are ok/good. Especially this last post where you called me out I see as very pro-town (Unless you are scum and think my ramblings are bad for town )xsksc Scum. If I had to pick three scums right now xsksc would be my third pick, I'd say more based on a hunch and not so much reasoning. It is his way of gaining trust, while not really providing any pressure to anyone or other pro town activities. jaybrundage Scum. "Veteran", posts to little and with to little content, should know that thats anti-town. ey215 Town. Even though coming of as very defensive, his posts so far says town to me. He is balancing out Blazinghand. Blazinghand Town. Aggreessive play, scumhunting. May be spreading his votes around to much, but for now I see him as the most towniest. BroodKingEXE Neutral, leaning scum. He is posting far to little, but I think it is because he is new. Hopefully if more people challange him with direct questions it will be easier to get a read on him. He is the fourth scummiest though. ElectricBlack Neutral. One post, hard to say anything. Needs to post more or be considered a lurker. Hassybaby Scum. Another veteran, and this one have not posted yet. [b]Bbyte[b] Neutral, leaning town. Not many posts yet. But seems open and are answering questions given to him. Trust and lynch At this point I trust no one, I know to little yet. For lynch I would go for either jaybrundage or Hassybaby at this point. They need to step up their game or GTFO. | ||
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Norway1235 Posts
On December 06 2011 00:41 xsksc wrote: Oh and your analogy of me going from mr smiley face to mr fuck you guy made me laugh. Thanks! Yesterday there was nothing to argue, so we discussed policy. Today has been a lot more controversial, and I defended my stance on pressuring someone who made an anti-town move, sure I lost my temper a little, but if you read it in context the guy wasn't even listening to me. The main points of your case on me seem to be... me going after easy kills and not being a super nice guy today? Right... I've placed one vote all game, and that was on the guy with 2 votes on him. I didn't discredit you, I just pointed out a MASSIVE inconsistancy in your reads, something that has been echoed by others too. I appreciate the effort you're putting in, it's good. It's just a bad case. Could you please explain how I went from "town educator" to scum, on your read list, without me actually posting anything in between? Major inconsistancy and you need to back it up. My point is, that changed ones attitude drastically is scummy. Why? Well, in your case we called you out for beeing to lovable and "to-little-contenty", if you were town and had decided that was the best way to play then you should stick to it. As a scum it might be better to changing it to a more aggressive style to get the pressure off (if no one notice the sudden change). Well, you put your vote on a guy allready beeing pushed superhard for beeing inactive and then proceed to pummel on another pressured target for a no-good reason. To me that is most definatly scummy. Picking easy target, going with the flow, while seemingly beeing pro-town (check, check and check). You called me out on my list, which is fair, cause it was premature, and you yourself were on it. But, going from that to labeling me suspicious, well, to me I see that as a start for you to frame me. The last part is answered in my previous post: On December 06 2011 00:44 Tunkeg wrote: You have to do better than that to lose my vote. And you have to find a better candidate for lynch (be it me or anyone) or else I am sticking with you. My read never changed drastically. I said it in my first post that you IMO had not made any usefull posts, just helpfull, giving you a powerfull role. I then was asked to post my views on town, I decided to do it with the three I considered most likely scum at the moment coloured. And then I wrote on your case "It is his way of gaining trust, while not really providing any pressure to anyone or other pro town activities." I say that is pretty much the same, even if I prematurely labeled you scum. + Show Spoiler + On December 04 2011 20:58 Tunkeg wrote: Hi guys, then I am up and awake, and have read through the entire thread. Lynch all liars/Lynch all lurkers My view here is lynch all confirmed liars, if you claim something that is proven wrong you must die. On lynch all lurkers, all non-poster/few posts must die. Thats all I have to say about policy lynches. Now for the game so far, this is my view: Adam 4167: Did the first post of the thread and a policy post. Not much content this far. That beeing said he is from Australia and have probably slept through most of the game this far. Grackorini: Made some filler post and some policy lynch posts this far. Would like to see him get more into the game. Velinath: Is the big time poster in this game so far, together with Blazinghand and ey215. In the beginning alot of no-content posts and alot of posts about policy lynches. Have picked it up by the end of this thread, and are actually beeing helpful for town now. xtfftc Besides one post discussing policy votes the rest of the post have been filler posts. Expect him to get more active now as he is EU. xsksc: Is taking on the role of an educator this far. Telling us noobs how this game works. This gives him a strong position, and a easily abused position. So far his posts have been educationally and only that. I expect more from a "veteran" like you. Post some analysis, do more, help us scumhunt! jaybrundage: The dissapointment of the game this far (strong words, but I think jaybrundage can take it). He is also a veteran, and should now that posting quality stuff is important. As of now there have been alot of filler posts. ey215: After Blazinghand started pressure him he have started making posts that benefits town. Abit defensive and emotional. Blazinghand: MVP of the game thus far. He is pressuring people and is the one getting the discussions started. I like this agressive play, town needs it! That beeing said, it can quickly go over the top and go from beeing pro town, to making a bad town environment. BroodKingEXE Mostly filler posts. Have already been pressured, and rightfully so. Need to start making usefull posts. Bbyte, ElectricBlack and Hassybaby Time to wake up and post! On December 05 2011 00:02 Tunkeg wrote: Of course. Some of the answers I have asked I have summarized in my opening post. But I will be more spesific about my thoughts on players alignment and who I at this moment would lynch if I had: Alignment For a starter I don't think the scum players have been all that active yet. Adam4167 Neutral. Got to little info on him, only 2 posts. Abit scummy that he makes the first post after the game starts, and then do nothing (almost) when the discussions get going. Grackorini Neutral. Not a whole lot of posts here either. Mainly policy posts, but I agree on his point of view here. And I am leaning town here. Velinath Neutral. Leaning town. Alot of posts, some of them I see as pro town, but also alot of fillers whic I see as pro scum. xtfftc Neutral. Abit to many policy posts for my liking. The other posts are ok/good. Especially this last post where you called me out I see as very pro-town (Unless you are scum and think my ramblings are bad for town )xsksc Scum. If I had to pick three scums right now xsksc would be my third pick, I'd say more based on a hunch and not so much reasoning. It is his way of gaining trust, while not really providing any pressure to anyone or other pro town activities. jaybrundage Scum. "Veteran", posts to little and with to little content, should know that thats anti-town. ey215 Town. Even though coming of as very defensive, his posts so far says town to me. He is balancing out Blazinghand. Blazinghand Town. Aggreessive play, scumhunting. May be spreading his votes around to much, but for now I see him as the most towniest. BroodKingEXE Neutral, leaning scum. He is posting far to little, but I think it is because he is new. Hopefully if more people challange him with direct questions it will be easier to get a read on him. He is the fourth scummiest though. ElectricBlack Neutral. One post, hard to say anything. Needs to post more or be considered a lurker. Hassybaby Scum. Another veteran, and this one have not posted yet. [b]Bbyte[b] Neutral, leaning town. Not many posts yet. But seems open and are answering questions given to him. Trust and lynch At this point I trust no one, I know to little yet. For lynch I would go for either jaybrundage or Hassybaby at this point. They need to step up their game or GTFO. | ||
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ElectricBlack
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On December 06 2011 00:45 xsksc wrote: I'll consider the case on hassybaby, gonna filter him. There are several people I'd like to lynch for being retarded but that's probably not the best idea :/ List them, and explain what they've done to earn your stamp of being retarded. | ||
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