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Adam4167
Australia1426 Posts
On December 05 2011 18:41 ElectricBlack wrote: Then answer me, am I mafia cause I did something out of spite to him? If so, why? Spite isn't going to help us in this game. I can understand where you're coming from, voting without a reason does look shitty, however being obstructive or evasive does not aid the town effort in any way. Can you post your reasons for targeting Hassybaby that you hinted at last night? | ||
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ElectricBlack
United Kingdom38 Posts
Yes, as I said, writing a case probably takes about 30 minutes, and I want to fully understand xsksc's motivations before I continue on. From my standpoint xsksc has already agreed that me not voting was in no way anti-town, because I know he knows that most people who play mafia would always consider voting without reasoning anti-town. xsksc for some reason seems to be unable to come up with a coherent case as to why I'm mafia, obviously he can't because I'm not scum, but at leas Blazinghand has the decency to pretend that he has logical reasons to back up his accusations. all xsksc has said is that he thinks me refusing to play nice with BH is dumb. And I agreed that a case can made for it being dumb. But xsksc voted for me, so he must think I'm mafia, and now I'm waiting for him to procide reasons for that. | ||
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xsksc
United Kingdom1044 Posts
I've said this 3 fucking times now, maybe you'll finally get the message. DOING SOMETHING OUT OF SPITE IS ANTI-TOWN. That's why you got my vote. Anti-town = bad. The way you are over-reacting to the pressure is interesting though, and it's something I'll definitely take note of. | ||
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ElectricBlack
United Kingdom38 Posts
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xsksc
United Kingdom1044 Posts
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xsksc
United Kingdom1044 Posts
I voted you because you made a stupid anti-town move, I've said this four times now. | ||
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ElectricBlack
United Kingdom38 Posts
On December 05 2011 19:41 xsksc wrote: Are you actually reading what I'm saying? Fuck me man, seriously. I want you to be coherent. You say that you're okay with voting for me simply based on you thinking me getting mad is anti-town. I am trying to get you to explain why you think I'm scum because of it. My premise is "Voting without reasoning is anti-town" Your rule is "I will vote people who do anti-town stuff, regardless of if I think I'm scum" BH's action is "Pressure ElectricBlack to vote without reasoning" The logical conclusion is that you should have voted for him at the time, however it seems to me you're only willing to uphold your rule as long as it's an easy bandwagon to jump on. If you are town, I would have expected you to remove your vote from me now that I have sufficiently explained why I did what I did. I took the time to go into details as to what motivated me to post like I did, and I think the explanation is sufficient. You have yet to provide a single reason as to why I am mafia, yet your vote remains on me. Also, you say I'm over-reacting to pressure, but I think I'm the guy being transparent and investigative, and you're the guy who's using caps lock and cursewords. Please note: I'm not suggesting anyone votes BH, I think he's town. I am just pointing out how selective xsksc's play is at the moment. | ||
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ElectricBlack
United Kingdom38 Posts
On December 05 2011 19:43 xsksc wrote: Voting someone for no apparent reason is anti-town. I voted you because you made a stupid anti-town move, I've said this four times now. Ah, so you agree that voting with no reason is anti-town. Why are you then supporting the guy that tried to bully me to do exactly that? as for your second statement. I've asked four times. How does that stupid move make me scum? | ||
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xsksc
United Kingdom1044 Posts
"Now I'm not gonna vote him until the morning just to spite you." This is so incredibly anti-town. It wouldn't have been a big deal if you just had to go and posted your analysis in the morning, but withholding JUST to spite him? If you think that's okay then I don't know what to say. It's dumb regardless of alignment. I never said I have strong evidence that you are scum. I said I was PRESSURE voting you, to see how you respond. Anti-town = / = Scum This is not about me trying to find an easy bandwagon. Please just think logically for a second, there were 2 votes on you and 5 on adam, which one looks like the easier bandwagon to you? This isn't even about me wanting you lynched. Prior to this incident we had a very small ammount of your posts to analyze. Now we have a LOT more to work with. Do you see now? It's not about lynching you, it's about getting you talking, getting your reactions to pressure, and you seeing how you defend yourself. | ||
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ElectricBlack
United Kingdom38 Posts
On December 05 2011 20:08 xsksc wrote: I've told you. I've told you four fucking times and I'm starting to lose my patience here. "Now I'm not gonna vote him until the morning just to spite you." This is so incredibly anti-town. It wouldn't have been a big deal if you just had to go and posted your analysis in the morning, but withholding JUST to spite him? If you think that's okay then I don't know what to say. It's dumb regardless of alignment. I never said I have strong evidence that you are scum. I said I was PRESSURE voting you, to see how you respond. Anti-town = / = Scum This is not about me trying to find an easy bandwagon. Please just think logically for a second, there were 2 votes on you and 5 on adam, which one looks like the easier bandwagon to you? This isn't even about me wanting you lynched. Prior to this incident we had a very small ammount of your posts to analyze. Now we have a LOT more to work with. Do you see now? It's not about lynching you, it's about getting you talking, getting your reactions to pressure, and you seeing how you defend yourself. And what do you think of my defense? I mean, clearly there's enough material on the table now for you to re-think your stance, and sufficient and logical explanation has been given to all my actions last night. We have already established that voting without reasoning is anti-town, so surely you must relate on some level to me being very annoyed at BH for attempting to get me lynched (in red letters!) for refusing to do something you and I both agree is anti-town. Was it unnecessary? Yes. But I can't always hold my temper. So, what is your current stance xsksc, you have all this new material. Do you still think I'm scum? | ||
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xsksc
United Kingdom1044 Posts
I got what I wanted out of you though, thanks. I'll take my vote off while I reassess the situation. ##Unvote: ElectricBlack | ||
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ElectricBlack
United Kingdom38 Posts
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xsksc
United Kingdom1044 Posts
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ElectricBlack
United Kingdom38 Posts
On December 05 2011 20:24 xsksc wrote: What's interesting? I can't make a big post about you right now cause I'm playing SC2, I'm posting quickly inbetween games. I'll do it when I'm finished. Why didn't you reach this conclusion earlier, instead you chose to repeatedly defend your position by claiming what I did was anti-town. I haven't presented any new information that wasn't already available in my last few posts, what made you suddenly flop? Of the three people that joined BH's case against me, you're the one that seems to have done it without agreeing to the premise of me refusing to vote being anti town. Velinath agreed with BH's reasoning that I must be scum because I decided not to vote, He already has shown himself to be willing to be critical of the situation, so I'm not worried about him. Once he realizes my choice of not voting was actually optimal in the situation (as explained when I first started responding to the cases built while I slept), I think he will find something more productive to do. Ey specifically stated he was pressure voting me. Obviously that's not such a smart thing to do, but it doesn't make him scum. You on the other hand seemed to clinge on to the fact you saw my actions as anti-town without providing any further reasoning as to why I must be scum. This leaves only two options to explain your play. a) You're scum looking for an easy case to jump, and you didn't expect me to come back with strong reasoning. b) You're town who for some reason is okay with enforcing your perverted sense of how the game should be played to the point of trying to kill people who don't agree with you, even if you have no reason to believe they're scum. If the answer really is b) then I hope you don't do anything like this again this game. Don't attempt to get people killed unless you genuinely think they're mafia. | ||
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xsksc
United Kingdom1044 Posts
"If the answer really is b) then I hope you don't do anything like this again this game. Don't attempt to get people killed unless you genuinely think they're mafia." I will pressure whoever the fuck I want, thanks. You've even admitted your actions were stupid, that's enough to justify a pressure vote. That does not mean I have proof you are scum. I never once stated that. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt because you're new, but this is a really really silly thing to say. Are you seriously asking me not to put pressure on people again? | ||
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ElectricBlack
United Kingdom38 Posts
Pressure is stupid. Either you're killing people or not. There should never exist no such thing as a pressure vote. But clearly we don't agree on that. I need to re-think my stance on you. I am not willing to commit to a lynch candidate at this moment, I will however within a few hours explain and elaborate on my statement about hassybaby. | ||
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Adam4167
Australia1426 Posts
I think xsksc was trying to prove a point that he was not happy with your play, because he felt it was anti-town. Punishing someone (lynching them) to prove a point is also anti-town, as EB has pointed out. Teaching someone a lesson for shitty behavior might feel 'right', but it does nothing to further the current game as it will invariably end in us hanging a townie. I think both of you are possible townies taking aim at each other. This pissing match has run its course. Xsksc, please take a look at my analysis, give your thoughts on it. Lets let ElectricBlack get back to posting his case on Hassybaby and see what that leads to. | ||
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xsksc
United Kingdom1044 Posts
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xsksc
United Kingdom1044 Posts
On December 05 2011 20:54 ElectricBlack wrote: Yes. Pressure is stupid. Either you're killing people or not. There should never exist no such thing as a pressure vote. But clearly we don't agree on that. I need to re-think my stance on you. I am not willing to commit to a lynch candidate at this moment, I will however within a few hours explain and elaborate on my statement about hassybaby. Please read through past mafia games or read a guide or something... I don't know what to say lol. Pressuring someone is one of the best ways to hunt scum with. | ||
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ElectricBlack
United Kingdom38 Posts
On December 05 2011 20:59 xsksc wrote: Please read through past mafia games or read a guide or something... I don't know what to say lol. Pressuring someone is one of the best ways to hunt scum with. While I don't think arguing methodology is productive. I would like you to direct me to an example of a great town-sided player on this site applying a "pressurevote". Maybe I can then read up on the game in question and understand why you favor this tactic. Also, if you could point me in the direction of a guide that explains the benefits of pressuring with votes backed by flimsy reasoning, I'd be thankful. However, I agree with Adam, we're not getting anywhere with this, I will respond to any questions you have, but I need to re-read our interactions and your general gameplay with a cooler head to decide if I think you're scum. | ||
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