EPTI also noticed I was put on several scum-lists while I was asleep. Is this simply because I haven't been posting during the last ~12 hours? I really hope it isn't, and I'd like to see a proper case on me if I'm to stay on your lists.
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xsksc
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I also noticed I was put on several scum-lists while I was asleep. Is this simply because I haven't been posting during the last ~12 hours? I really hope it isn't, and I'd like to see a proper case on me if I'm to stay on your lists. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
On December 05 2011 11:52 Grackaroni wrote: It seems like a pretty stupid strategy for a scum player to behave like he did. His attitude alone makes people want to vote for him. That said If Adam makes some solid analysis I will switch my vote. That's a fair point; it's on Adam to exonerate himself. That being said, watch out for arguments like "there's no way he's mafia because if he is, he's pretty stupid"... because that's a circular argument and can lead to weird places. Remember, our initial read here is that whether this guy is town OR scum, he's bad either way, right? I'm not sure it's inherently less believable that he's bad scum than that he's bad town, except of course that there are more town than scum players. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
On December 05 2011 11:58 Blazinghand wrote: That's a fair point; it's on Adam to exonerate himself. That being said, watch out for arguments like "there's no way he's mafia because if he is, he's pretty stupid"... because that's a circular argument and can lead to weird places. Remember, our initial read here is that whether this guy is town OR scum, he's bad either way, right? I'm not sure it's inherently less believable that he's bad scum than that he's bad town, except of course that there are more town than scum players. tl;dr: it's just as dumb for a town player to behave as he did as a scum player, so I'm not sure that argument fully applies. Still waiting on adam. | ||
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xsksc
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Blazinghand
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Grackaroni
United States9832 Posts
On December 05 2011 11:59 Blazinghand wrote: tl;dr: it's just as dumb for a town player to behave as he did as a scum player, so I'm not sure that argument fully applies. Still waiting on adam. That's a good point my logic was bad. He's a bad player either way for sure and is prbly just as likely to have behaved that way as scum as he would as town. I have this belief that the scum players would care more about the game than town and thus would act/play smarter. Adam was offline for a while so it will prbly take him some time to catch up with the thread. | ||
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Velinath
United States694 Posts
@Adam: What's your opinion on the main posters so far? You said you were back to post some content, so I'm excited to see what you have to say. After reading EB's last two posts, it's past "I don't have time" and into the realm of "I'm going to deliberately obstruct the town". I want an explanation. If you're town aligned, what's the motive behind withholding information/a case from the town because you are having a disagreement with one person? Regardless of how he flips, at the moment there had better be a damn good reason not to have voted and helped to generate discussion, past "Blazinghand pissed me off" - because that's simply not good enough. ##Unvote ##Vote: ElectricBlack Does this mean Adam's off my list? Not a chance. He's the next suspicious person on my list. Characterizing aggression designed to draw out lurkers as "reckless" seems like far too much of a generalization, and honestly his reaction to Tunkeg's light pressure worries me. It seems a little over the top, even if he did try to explain why he put it that way in his last post. I want to hear more from BByte. Here's what we've got so far: + Show Spoiler + On December 05 2011 09:20 BByte wrote: My strongest scum read so far is Velinath. He has been active (very much so actually), but what has he contributed? Some policy discussion, a bit of finger pointing (mostly to spark activity), some fluff. Mostly he has been following other people's ideas, not making his own calls. All of this is something scum could easily do with very little risk. Then there are a couple of posts of light analysis. His "reads post" sums it up best: + Show Spoiler + On December 05 2011 03:29 Velinath wrote: Whee, time to copy in my reads. Keeping a spreadsheet is going to be quite helpful, I think. Blazinghand: Feels very Townie to me. Posting reasonable content and post analysis already. Willing to take actions on his stances. Softclaimed Vanilla Townie http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=291067¤tpage=8#152 Bringing lurkers out, which can ONLY help town. I approve. Call it 90% town. Also, his discussion with ey215 looked good, and convinced me further of his townieness. BroodKingEXE: Empty post. Worries me.Feels scummy but could be a noob. Amend: Six posts that don't sit right with me, but again, could be new player. xkskc: Leaning town for now. Started our policy discussion. Discussion is good. While he disagrees with BH's methods, I clearly feel like he's playing a townie game right now. Different methodolgy, same goal. To note, he pointed out that there may be mafia in the group leadership., which should be something to keep in mind. Question is whether it's sowing suspicion or genuine pro-town, and I haven't figured that out yet. xtfftc: Null read. He argued against LAL and LALurkers, and I don't wanna go with that. Let's look again once he posts again. (Amend: Looked through his filter to update this post, and I really liked his post here. Still a null read, but this feels positive to me.) ey215: Pointed out some good things. He sees Blazinghand's methods as creating tension within the town, and that's fine - he's entitled to opinion. Like xkskc, he disagrees with methods but seems to be working towards the same goal. Their discussion, while heated, really brought out to me that they both seem very town-aligned, and willing to take positions and defend them. EB: Makes good points. At this point I'm leaning town, simply because he's pro-discussion this early. That said I'd love to see more posts here. Tunkeg: Posted his reads, and is encouraging discussion. I think this is a good thing, and might peg him as one of the influential voices in the town soon. Largely a null read, but I'm starting to lean town. BByte: I'm not totally impressed yet. One post about breadcrumbs (which is more about the game in general than a content post) and one post about a couple of the players. That post was good, and I agree that we shouldn't be intimidated by one person, but I'd like to see more. jaybrundage: Neutral for now, but a lack of content disturbs me. We've still got like 30 hours though. Adam4167: Two posts, neither of which hugely impress me. I liked how he went through and stated a clear opinion on BH's play. While I disagree with his opinion, I think that the way he put things is pro-town in that post. I'd love to see more content here, but so far looks pretty good. Hassybaby: Disagrees with early targets, and I can see why. I think he is overly defensive towards Tunkeg - not an OMGUS vote, but definitely that kind of idea. Not sure what to think, but this early just a null read. Grackaroni: Posted reads, but before that there's a bunch of policy posts. Not that I haven't made a ton of policy posts too, but I'll wait for more content. Null read. How does half town, half null reads with a couple of unsures thrown in help the town in any way? Even those unsure reads are off people who have been previously called out by others. Everything seems very non-committal. #Vote Velinath This is his only real post of substance. To defend myself, before I start making any semblance of a case, it was so early in the game that there simply wasn't enough information for me to really start forming opinions. 3 of his 8 posts so far in the game are dedicated to trying to put a vote on me (due to formatting errors). Even that seems a little off to me, given I'm actually posting and furthering discussion - but my point is there's just not a lot of information that he's contributed. I want to see more posts. A post about breadcrumbing, some sketchy analysis on Adam and ey, and a weak case on me just isn't enough for me; I want to hear more. Why should I be lynched? What don't you like about the EB or Adam4167 cases, if anything? He said he'd post thoughts on the lynch discussion but I haven't heard anything yet (maybe a time zone thing, but we've talked a lot since his last post and he's been silent). Not that this does anything, but FoS: BByte. | ||
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xsksc
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Grackaroni
United States9832 Posts
On December 05 2011 12:39 xsksc wrote: Just out of interest, how many people are awake and active at this sort of time? Me, but I'm probably going to be sleeping pretty soon | ||
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Adam4167
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jaybrundage
United States3921 Posts
On December 05 2011 10:58 ElectricBlack wrote: Now I'm not gonna vote him until the morning just to spite you. I will vote in my own time when I can explain in detail why and how I came to the conclusion. In addition I still have a few people to read up on and form an opinion on, so I might not even end up voting Hassybaby when it comes to it. Wow talk about missing the shit storm im sorry i wasnt here for that discussion. Well it seems that alot of people are changing there vote to EB. While understand the reason and as far as i can see it its because hes being a dick. Although im not sure if he mafia or town. I really think it would be unbearably stupid to act like this. But at the same time you can use a WIFOM to so that he could be mafia but i dont know. Im hoping it just him being arrogant. I want to see his thoughts on hassybaby and the game in general before switching my vote. And i noticed adam is here. So i want to wait to hear what he says as well. I also find Bbyte case on Veli interesting. I had a pretty solid town read on him but ill double check his posts. Better safe then sorry. Also i would like your input on the other cases Bbyte and why they dont appeal to you as much Btw xsksc i am glad your posted havent seen you in a while. I noticed what you said about tunkeg as well. I mentioned in my post that he made a point to go from he was disappointed in my posting to calling me scum even tho i never posted in that time as well. Kinda odd. but at the same time i dont see him as scum I think hes more of a townie trying to poke and get some reactions from people. Im curious what you think about xtfffc i dont have much of a read on him as well can you give more more incite on him then what you said. And Your Spacing bugs' the crap outta me | ||
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jaybrundage
United States3921 Posts
On December 05 2011 12:40 Grackaroni wrote: Me, but I'm probably going to be sleeping pretty soon Grack what do you think of xsksc posts. it was a good bit of info I do like that he posts some analyze finally hopefully he can keep on the ball :p | ||
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xsksc
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xsksc
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Velinath
United States694 Posts
I'm on and reading the thread at this time, and should be in the future as well. | ||
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jaybrundage
United States3921 Posts
On December 05 2011 12:51 xsksc wrote: What do you mean by my spacing? You read my post and all you can comment on is my not liking you spacing lol Idk it was ok it just makes it overly big But lets not start comparing post sizes we all know where that arguement leads Also i made a post a while back CLICK MEH what do you think of it most of the reads remain unchanged with exceptions to EB i also find Bbyte case on veli something that might change my stance on them but as far no. | ||
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xsksc
United Kingdom1044 Posts
I don't like your bad spelling, punctuation, and terrible sentence structure, so please don't complain about me making my post easier for you to read. Thanks  In regards to your reads, I'm certainly glad you put the effort into it. I think most of them are pretty agreeable with. Like I said already, I'm pretty unsure about xtfc. The only contact I've had with him so far has been a disagreement (more like a difference of opinions) with him over policy, which is almost irellevant to alignment and doesn't really matter in the long run. | ||
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Grackaroni
United States9832 Posts
On December 04 2011 21:12 xsksc wrote: Also, you make it sound like I've not been scum-hunting, which is a little unfair I think. I got the thread going, which gave us the content we need to analyse with. I've also noted how certain people are interacting, how people responded to pressure, how people feel about policies, etc etc. It will all be useful when it comes to deciding the lynch. Just because I haven't made a "dis guy hasn't posted 10 hours in so he must be scum" post, doesn't mean I'm not scum-hunting. The reason people think that you aren't scum hunting is because by just glancing through your filter you didn't seem to be doing any scum hunting until you gave us your list of reads recently. You should probably be more vocal about posts you find that seem suspicious. + Show Spoiler + On December 05 2011 11:49 xsksc wrote: This is my list of reads/thoughts/general opinnions about people for the first half of day 1. Adam4167 Possible lynch Looks like a major candidate for the lynch at the moment. I wouldn't strongly disagree with this, his small ammount of posts don't bode well for him. I do have trouble believing a noobie scum would actively pick a fight with 2 of towns leading figures, that doesn't make sense to me. BByte Unsure He has only 4 posts with a decent ammount of content, not a lot to go on. Velinath seems a bit of a weird target to go after though, and BByte's case on him seems a bit half-assed. Velinath's posts are a a little fluffy, but I'm not getting a scum read on him, at least not from your case. I don't think Velinath is a good day 1 lynch, at least not for the moment. Blazinghand Leaning town Blazinghand so far has been very aggressive, which is good for town. He started out a little over-the-top, attacking europeans who were at that time asleep. He has since made much more sense, forced the lurkers to unburrow, got some active discussion going, which is all pro-town. Nobody is confirmed town until they flip, but I think he's working hard to be pro-town. BroodKingEXE Town lurker/Maybe Scum A lot of one liners and a list. Really, not a lot to go on with this guy either -_- Possible candidate for a lurker-lynch, if we go down that path. ElectricBlack Scum This guy would be a GREAT lynch. He claims to be happy lynching Hassybaby, but when the pressure is put on him to put action behind words, he get's pissed off and doesn't vote to SPITE town? That's so fucking incredibly anti-town. He better have a good defence ready when he wakes up. ey215 Town? First post of his to take note of is this : He's very defensive at the slightest pressure, which is interesting, but by itself isn't scummy. His later posts look pro-town I haven't seen anything really suspicious or scummy out of him. On my townie list for now. Grackaroni Hassybaby Jaybrundage xtfftc Neutral These guys all seem to fall under the same category. They aren't looking incredibly pro-town, but there's not much scummy about them either. I'll leave them here for now. Tunkeg Suspicious This guy jumps straight into the thread, with his first post being a list of reads. 4 posts later.... Suddenly I go from "town educator" in your first list to being on your scum list based off a hunch. Between the time of your two read posts, what did I post to change your mind so drastically? Where did you get this "hunch"? This is what I find suspicious, in a short ammount of time your reads change for almost no reason, with nothing to back it up, please provide more reasoning and analysis as to why you came to those conclusions in the future. Velinath Leaning town It's been mentioned that this guy seems to be echoing what others have already said. I wouldn't disagree with this, but I'm not putting him on my scum list just because he posts fluff. At least he IS posting a large ammount, which gives us more stuff to work with on day 2 than the guys with 5-10 posts. He's active, and he's trying to be pro-town. I'll put him on the townie list for now. I think that's everyone, so far the game has been good for town I think, plenty of discussion and pressure. That being said I like a lot of your reads, and they are pretty similar to mine. EB and Adam are the best scum reads the town has right now, one of them should be lynched day1 because they both look scummy and so far neither has contributed. (but Adam is about to so looking forward to that) BByte is going to remain unsure because he doesn't post nearly as much as most of the town. Tunkeg said something about a hidden agenda for Xtfftc, which I wish he could elaborate on, and his scum reads a bit off. I am kind of neutral on Ey215 so I wouldn't have called him town. xsksc is still a null read for me, he has a lot of the same reads as me but its only day1 and my reads could still be way off. Just for reference he played scum in newbie mini mafia, so if you are having a hard time reading him it might help to see how he tends to act as scum. | ||
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Grackaroni
United States9832 Posts
On December 05 2011 12:50 jaybrundage wrote: Grack what do you think of xsksc posts. it was a good bit of info I do like that he posts some analyze finally hopefully he can keep on the ball :p | ||
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xsksc
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