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On November 05 2011 12:21 redFF wrote:
bum we had 3 votes on us and there might not have been a lynch if we waited until l-1 to claim because it would have been close to the end of the day.
Fair enough, I don't think you and kita can be scum at this point, so an analysis from you would be weighted heavily. Also I think mafia might risk a night not killing you if they feel there is a stronger team, so punishing them for that train of thought by being influential is a plus.
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On November 05 2011 13:08 bumatlarge wrote:
Ah I see that chaoser is that team. Chaoser is a different story, I haven't read his posts too closely. I am referring to you pushing hyshes without more then what radfield surmised in that last post of his. Those posts by radfield are exactly what I'm talking about when I'm saying "unimpressed". I'm used to radfield being more helpful and conclusive, and I'm not seeing that here. He hasn't given me much reason to put him red, but it's odd play and it should be noted.
I don't understand.
I pushed hyshes because his post seemed mafia-motivated. Only scum want to appear "good" and try to minimize mistakes to the greatest extent possible. He even said that he wanted good attention from his plan, and it was clear he had nothing else to contribute. I don't care what his plan was, and I never did. I cared and still care only about how he behaved. His behavior is not consistent with what I think a townie would do. A townie does not appear, post something like that, then disappear when the heat is turned up. That's exactly what he did.
In addition, the only other significant thing he did later was start the bandwagon on prpl/forumite. He also showed that he wasn't reading people's posts. For example, in a post iGrok made (that was a bunch of links as to why sandro is scummy), he said this:
On November 04 2011 08:01 hyshes wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2011 08:00 iGrok wrote:
If you don't see it, that on you :p
Or this could be one of those times that I'm pulling something out of thin air. I don't see how referring to another game says something?
Which means, he didn't even click the link.
Then, the last thing he did? He basically started the wagon on prpl/Forumite.
On November 05 2011 02:23 hyshes wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On November 03 2011 20:59 Forumite wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 20:06 supersoft wrote:On November 03 2011 19:11 prplhz wrote:
About the new rule: this is pretty cool but chaoser still has to answer for why he didn't want
additional content put into the thread back when it was allowed. More content equals more
material for analysis, it's not like more content equals autoconfirm. to be fair i dont think chaoser is lazy scum who doesnt want to fake logs. i think he wants to play mafia by analyzing and discussing instead of abusing the mechanics of an online mafiagame. he made that pretty clear. It´s not abusing mechanics, it´s using what you have in order to win. The biggest advantage of an IRL-mafia is gone, we can´t see the other players, but it´s not like reading faces is "abusing the mechanics" in an IRL-game, it´s just part of the game, like going back and checking posts is in a forum game. Chaoser is absolutely correct in that forgeable logs can loose Town the game, I just don´t agree with reflexively throwing away tools that might have helped us. This still doesn´t excuse how Chaoser and hyshes has acted in other respects, Chaoser taking a backseat while his partner suggest Anti-Town plans. I thought Chaoser would have stepped in if he thought hyshes was making a fool of himself, instead he waited until he was called out. Chaoser was actively lurking while his team was being accused, that doesn´t make sense, unless he was weathering the storm, hoping that hyshes would be excused because of him being new. One player is acting scummy, and the other just happens to be acting scummy, makes me suspect they are a scumteam. ##Vote TEAM EDWARD On November 04 2011 07:52 prplhz wrote:
Well I'm sold, I hope Forumite feels the same way 'cause:
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##Vote Team SS On November 04 2011 11:57 Forumite wrote:I´ve got my eyes on Team Nipple, both of them. Let me show you some relevant posts:+ Show Spoiler +It´s actually the only relevant posts
since the game started, and there´s 2 of them...On November 04 2011 02:31 Kurumi wrote:Kurufesto It's good to be back, guys. + Show Spoiler +On November 03 2011 07:45 GMarshal wrote:Cool, a game of mafia [center] ![[image loading]](http://images2.layoutsparks.com/1/186616/face-the-reaper-skull-31000.jpg) [/cent er] It's traditional at this point to post a picture of the reaper So, Iets do this thing. First thing first As usual there is no excuse for lurking, don't do it and you won't have me lobbing for your lynch. Seriously, 2 players per team should mean a more than decent level of activity, you aren't going to get away with 2~3 posts per cycle unless they are an outstanding, wall of text, analytical set of three posts. So post, transparency and information means we have a greater chance of success. Second thing (this should *not* be a point of discussion, as what I am about to talk about is too general for us to really talk about, I just wanted to make sure it was said). Because there are no vigilantes, if we have a jailkeeper he should be using his protect/roleblock offensively, that is "protecting" scum in an attempt to roleblock the kill, rather than going after the most outspoken townies and possibly roleblocking a power role. This style should encourage activity (scum no longer want to risk being lurkers if it might make their kill fail) and with the possibility of a medic in play scum still cannot afford to shoot the top players. Other than that there isn't that much to say on the setup until we get later in the day and can talk about dt lists and such. My lurker policy remains the same as always, and yeah, that's about it. I am against lynching lurkers. First, the setup is really small, so we should delay the game and make it as long as we could. Scum, unless terrible or really overloaded with RL stuff (they shouldn't join game then, but hey it happens) won't lurk. Remember, scum are those MIDDLE guys, not so active or inactive to draw attention. "But it sounds so cool Kurumi... go get them Yourself, let me derp my way to LYLO" Yeah I know Towns on TL are quite damn lazy and with all the info coming out at the beginning of the game, quoting guides by either side and stuff like that and forget all of it after D1 lynch but.. I am not going to forget, I wish to play my best this game. "But Kurumi, Mafia has a Role Cop!" With 1 blue, they will have hard time finding Team with it. With 2 blues, we will get enough protection/information to retaliate strong enough. Remember, the more time Parity Cop gets, the stronger we are, because he can slowly confirm people. I think we shouldn't worry about Mafia Role Cop too much. Lurker lynch is a bad idea. We either no-lynch or lynch the scummiest fuckers out there. With a mislynch, Mafia ALREADY got their KP per cycle! If we don't get a good protect/block or we just don't have roles for it, 2 people are dead by Day 2. Meanwhile, Mafia Role Cop has checked one of the roles. That means, 3 out of 7 people roles are known to Mafia, another lynch and it's 4 out of 5, if the (only one) blue survived to this time, he will be killed during the night, no matter the lynch result. Summary:
Lurker lynch is a terrible idea, Mafia rarely lurk without any special plan.
No lynch does not put us behind: Our blue will survive longer this way.
Lynch = scummiest person, remember!
Try to keep Your post readable... I am trying, so You should too. On November 04 2011 02:49 Kurumi wrote:
Lurker lynching is often an excuse not to lynch someone, just add "I dunno, he doesn't seem so
scummy to me" and voila, You've got Your lurker lynch. Giving You no information about people who
voted on the lurker (and we probably won't have this problem) and giving You a green flip. Day 1
lurker lynch is.. worse than a no-lynch, because we will hit town on 99% of
basis. Kurumi makes two policy posts, both saying that lynching lurkers is a
bad idea, then proceed to lurk again. I don´t know if this is some crazy plan by a scumteam to
confuse Town, or if they´ve just given up on the game, but whatever it is they need to snap out
of it and post. If we are looking for anti-Town behavior, then here it is, and they deserve to be
lynched for it. First TEAM VIKING is trying to get all kinds of votes going on different teams. And then, out of the blue, without metioning team red21 before, they directly go along with GM's post. + Show Spoiler +On November 05 2011 01:08 Forumite wrote:
I don´t have much time to post. I just want to say that I support GM's case and throwing mine and
prplhz's vote to support it. We won´t be here for the lynch, but I think it´s the best place to
put that vote right now, so that´s what we have to go by. If something huge comes up before the
deadline then I expect there to be enough people online that one vote won´t much matter.
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##Vote Team Red21 Also: FoS Nipple, post moar!
No reasoning whatsoever. The sole reasoning is, "they're scum because they're voting a lot of different people!"
On November 05 2011 13:08 bumatlarge wrote:
I never said radfield wasn't pushing it publicly, but I feel like there was a missing conversation where you pushed a team who you thought was scum, and where nobody really "convinced" radfield it was a bad lynch, yet Forumite/prphlz took priority for you guys. Making a case that people agree with then giving way to another lynch that wasn't on your radar from what I can tell by both your posts, leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
#1. You didn't say it explicitly, but that's what you're heavily implying by saying that it sounds like there's some sort of "missing conversation" and that pushing hyshes and chaoser was a bad idea. Of course it wasn't, hyshes and chaoser were the best lynch yesterday. No one else saw that because of the bandwagon on prpl and the big red21 parity cop business.
The bandwagon on team viking started so fast and late in the day that neither Radfield nor I could really do anything about it. Neither of us were really here. (I wasn't even aware of who was being lynched until those last 5 minutes or so)
On November 05 2011 13:08 bumatlarge wrote:
You seem to want to fight about saying something I didn't say, so commence getting over that. Team Edward won't be our lynch tomorrow, but I will read chaoser's posts again. The only thing radfield and you seem to be harping on about is lack of content, which is usually not a strong case.
rofl.
So you admit you haven't even read chaoser's posts, but you seem to be completely dismissing them as a lynch possibility tomorrow? Wtf?
And no, Radfield and I are NOT harping on about lack of content. You need to read our posts better.
Lastly, if this is true:
On November 05 2011 11:34 bumatlarge wrote:
Forumite and prphlz was a poor lynch choice, I think there were better options available. The second player I was suspicious of behind red was WBG, mainly from this post.
Why the hell was your team's vote on Forumite and prpl?
You were replaced in 10.5 hours before lynch, so you don't really get to absolve yourself of responsibility by pulling the "I wasn't there" card.
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On Nov 3 2011 19:01 hyshes wrote:
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I don't see how referring to another game says something? \
I actually want to clarify what he meant with this statement cause I was confused by it as well. Apparently he plays mafia at his university and they don't use meta...crazy, I know.
And they also do legit real time PMs...like they would meet up at lunch and talk about the game...face to face...Oh, and for some reason, for their games, the host mod confirms for half the town, a random other person playing the game as townie. So like a player will get told, hey this other dude is also townie. And it's different for everyone. And it's only for half the town. And they don't do "analysis", they just base everything off gut reads. Thus his two line post on our reasons for thinking prp/forumite are mafia.
Trust me, I was blown away by all that too lol.
Oh, and they play with clues in every game. Townie advantage ftw?
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On November 05 2011 14:14 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +On Nov 3 2011 19:01 hyshes wrote:
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I don't see how referring to another game says something? \ I actually want to clarify what he meant with this statement cause I was confused by it as well. Apparently he plays mafia at his university and they don't use meta...crazy, I know.
This still doesn't make sense, because iGrok's post wasn't concerned with sandro's meta. It was just posting sandro's filter, IIRC. He never linked another game in the first place.
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On November 05 2011 14:21 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2011 14:14 chaoser wrote:On Nov 3 2011 19:01 hyshes wrote:
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I don't see how referring to another game says something? \ I actually want to clarify what he meant with this statement cause I was confused by it as well. Apparently he plays mafia at his university and they don't use meta...crazy, I know. This still doesn't make sense, because iGrok's post wasn't concerned with sandro's meta. It was just posting sandro's filter, IIRC. He never linked another game in the first place.
Sorry, when I said meta in that post I meant using/linking/quoting anything that was previous said in the game. I was using his usage of the word. Like..
He says that they used to play it during the exams so nobody actually made such big posts and almost nobody reread the thread. Either everybody just went from what they read once and was mostly fast or they mostly went with their overall feeling in order to vote for a lynch.
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On November 05 2011 14:21 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2011 14:14 chaoser wrote:On Nov 3 2011 19:01 hyshes wrote:
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I don't see how referring to another game says something? \ I actually want to clarify what he meant with this statement cause I was confused by it as well. Apparently he plays mafia at his university and they don't use meta...crazy, I know. This still doesn't make sense, because iGrok's post wasn't concerned with sandro's meta. It was just posting sandro's filter, IIRC. He never linked another game in the first place.
Also I know you've been following the newbie game and hyshes play in this game pretty much matches up with his play in that game. And that is, he's playing in a way that's totally foreign to us, specifically because he's use to playing a different form of the mafia game where the meta is so different as to be alien.
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On November 05 2011 14:53 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2011 14:21 wherebugsgo wrote:On November 05 2011 14:14 chaoser wrote:On Nov 3 2011 19:01 hyshes wrote:
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I don't see how referring to another game says something? \ I actually want to clarify what he meant with this statement cause I was confused by it as well. Apparently he plays mafia at his university and they don't use meta...crazy, I know. This still doesn't make sense, because iGrok's post wasn't concerned with sandro's meta. It was just posting sandro's filter, IIRC. He never linked another game in the first place. Also I know you've been following the newbie game and hyshes play in this game pretty much matches up with his play in that game. And that is, he's playing in a way that's totally foreign to us, specifically because he's use to playing a different form of the mafia game where the meta is so different as to be alien.
False.
Just on numbers alone, hyshes is not playing like he did in the newbie game. hyshes has committed several times more effort to the newbie game than to this one.
12 game-relevant posts so far in this game, with at least half of those being one liners (or just in general rather useless) We've had 21 pages of posts in this game, or around 440 posts. 12/440=2.7% of the total posts. There are 18 players total, so if you merely divide the proportion evenly you should get 5.5% of total posts per player, on average, or 24 posts. Hyshes has half of that.
Hyshes had four times this many in the newbie game; 48 posts, and it hasn't lasted much longer either, only one more day. There were about 350 posts in that game between when it started and when he died.
Newbie game of 12 players, hyshes has 13.7% of the posts by the end of day 2, when divided equally among all 12 players it would be expected for him to have around 8.3%.
In addition, the overall content of his posts was better too. Don't believe me? Read the filters yourself.
newbie mafia filter
hyshes filter (this game)
We can't really discuss an ongoing game in here though, so that's all I will say on that.
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you cannot compare this game to the newbie game. hyshes got lynched. because of zmthat he posted a lot to defend himself. i guess his postcount raised dramatically on d2 when he was accused.
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
Sorry guys, I'm still really struggling with illness, and I work tonight and tomorrow night as well.
Parity Cop(Kita and Red presumably): You guys need to check someone scummy who you think you can get lynched tomorrow, or check someone you think is likely to get hit tonight. Either way, ideally you're target dies by day 3.
Medic should be protecting Kita. This ensures he gets off 1 or 2 parity checks. This is an ideal set-up.
Jailkeeper needs to decide for themselves. Protecting Kita basically turns this into a 7 VT set-up, unless mafia gamble and try to shoot the cop which is possible. Offensively roleblocking the nightkill is also viable, as is protecting a player likely to be hit. Either way, a protection or block gives us the same result.
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On November 05 2011 16:57 wherebugsgo wrote:
False.
Just on numbers alone, hyshes is not playing like he did in the newbie game. hyshes has committed several times more effort to the newbie game than to this one.
How can you even compare numbers when this game is a team game when that one isn't? Just by the pure fact that I am able to fill in for him when he is unable/uncomfortable/don't know what to do when posting makes it a moot point to compare post numbers. Not to mention you're not looking at the actual situation of how he posts and instead looking at generalization of "relevant posts" which is still bullshit.
In this game, he posts a bad plan, and starts getting pressured, he shuts down and stops posting, not even defending himself. I had to come in to defend.
In that game, he gets a case put together and then voted on by Harbringer at a time when Drem had 3 votes on him, including a vote by the main other influential player. He immediately shuts down and posts "Yeah sure, lynch me." For the rest of the game he posts that this martyr is a smart plan/move that will help town. Pretty much all of it is one-liner or useless
I'm not retarded, and this aint stupid play either. It's the only play i got left to have a possible chance on a town win. I'm just kinda hoping it will open your eyes. I'm just offering good working material here. for that purpose, i'm willing to do a sacrifice here.
Just a sample of what he wrote right after being voted on (each separated part is a different post)
No emo here, just not up for your shitty logic.
I'm going to get lynched today, that's settled. Please lynch toad when i flip green the next day.
Yes i'm from EU but its only 20:47 atm.
I have just no freaking clue what to say. Seems that i can't follow your logic, and you guys can't follow my logic. I guess this is the ending point.
Nahh, this shitty logic was easy to explain in a few lines. The rest of your shitty logic would take me too long. And i'm not even good at explaining things.
When he's finally pushed to actually post something on Toad, he posts mostly one liners while quoting him. All of them were simple statements saying the same thing which is the general sentiment of "Toad doesn't care about which townie dies"
"Nice idea.. select a lurker to get a free kill as mafia. And again, the refer to another game where he was town."
"Ofc he's also a fine target for you. You don't care wich townie dies."
"Trying to get an easy hit on a townie without proper argument."
Can't tell if you're being obtuse or scum >_>
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"Nice idea.. select a lurker to get a free kill as mafia. And again, the refer to another game where he was town."
"Ofc he's also a fine target for you. You don't care wich townie dies."
"Trying to get an easy hit on a townie without proper argument."
This is all in one post btw, he never tries to push the case again after this post; he just waits 3 hours until day ended and posts his final post of:
"seems you guys followed shitty logic. GL!"
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On November 05 2011 23:15 Radfield wrote:
Sorry guys, I'm still really struggling with illness, and I work tonight and tomorrow night as well.
Parity Cop(Kita and Red presumably): You guys need to check someone scummy who you think you can get lynched tomorrow, or check someone you think is likely to get hit tonight. Either way, ideally you're target dies by day 3.
Medic should be protecting Kita. This ensures he gets off 1 or 2 parity checks. This is an ideal set-up.
Jailkeeper needs to decide for themselves. Protecting Kita basically turns this into a 7 VT set-up, unless mafia gamble and try to shoot the cop which is possible. Offensively roleblocking the nightkill is also viable, as is protecting a player likely to be hit. Either way, a protection or block gives us the same result.
I agree with that post. Everything here seems reasonable.
Anyway, I am quite puzzled right now. I was really thinking that Team Viking was scum 
Re-reading thread once again so I might have something good to bring up when the day comes.
Besides that, I am almost sure one of the teams voting on Team Viking was scum.
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On November 05 2011 23:32 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2011 16:57 wherebugsgo wrote:
False.
Just on numbers alone, hyshes is not playing like he did in the newbie game. hyshes has committed several times more effort to the newbie game than to this one.
How can you even compare numbers when this game is a team game when that one isn't? Just by the pure fact that I am able to fill in for him when he is unable/uncomfortable/don't know what to do when posting makes it a moot point to compare post numbers. Not to mention you're not looking at the actual situation of how he posts and instead looking at generalization of "relevant posts" which is still bullshit. In this game, he posts a bad plan, and starts getting pressured, he shuts down and stops posting, not even defending himself. I had to come in to defend. In that game, he gets a case put together and then voted on by Harbringer at a time when Drem had 3 votes on him, including a vote by the main other influential player. He immediately shuts down and posts "Yeah sure, lynch me." For the rest of the game he posts that this martyr is a smart plan/move that will help town. Pretty much all of it is one-liner or useless Show nested quote +I'm not retarded, and this aint stupid play either. It's the only play i got left to have a possible chance on a town win. I'm just kinda hoping it will open your eyes. I'm just offering good working material here. for that purpose, i'm willing to do a sacrifice here.
Just a sample of what he wrote right after being voted on (each separated part is a different post)
No emo here, just not up for your shitty logic.
I'm going to get lynched today, that's settled. Please lynch toad when i flip green the next day.
Yes i'm from EU but its only 20:47 atm.
I have just no freaking clue what to say. Seems that i can't follow your logic, and you guys can't follow my logic. I guess this is the ending point.
Nahh, this shitty logic was easy to explain in a few lines. The rest of your shitty logic would take me too long. And i'm not even good at explaining things.
When he's finally pushed to actually post something on Toad, he posts mostly one liners while quoting him. All of them were simple statements saying the same thing which is the general sentiment of "Toad doesn't care about which townie dies" Show nested quote +"Nice idea.. select a lurker to get a free kill as mafia. And again, the refer to another game where he was town."
"Ofc he's also a fine target for you. You don't care wich townie dies."
"Trying to get an easy hit on a townie without proper argument." Can't tell if you're being obtuse or scum >_>
I'm not going to bother arguing about this anymore, you're clearly not willing to listen to reason, or read properly.
The number of times people keep mentioning that hyshes "just posted a bad plan" is starting to piss me off. It was never about the plan and never will be.
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On November 06 2011 05:04 wherebugsgo wrote:
I'm not going to bother arguing about this anymore, you're clearly not willing to listen to reason, or read properly.
The number of times people keep mentioning that hyshes "just posted a bad plan" is starting to piss me off. It was never about the plan and never will be.
lol
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Just throwing this out there: I belive mafia is amongst team nipple/edward/switzerland. All the other teams look town to me.
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kitaman27
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Did you not care who got lynched yesterday sandroba?
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