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supersoft
Germany3729 Posts
if you're town, save all your conversations with your teampartner. if you're getting lynched, these conversations may provide something that speaks in favor of you. I know scum will do that, too now... BUT it's a lot of work to fake logs. and why should we be gentle with these guys?! | ||
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redFF
United States3910 Posts
where is the lol coming from, do you agree with my assessment? | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
On November 03 2011 09:56 GMarshal wrote: Filter him. His grammar and spelling is annoying and he's pushing nonesense that doesn't further finding scum. I really thought that using bad grammar and no punctuation and saying "u" instead of "you" for a while would trigger someone to go for me just because it ticked them off. I kinda stopped when kitaman27 asked me to because I thought that a couple of pages would be enough. So what kind of nonsense am I pushing that doesn't further finding scum? I thought hyshes' statement was pretty weird and I pursued that, as did some other people so there must have been something to it. You have posted a great big picture and then said that lurkers aren't too cool. Then you want to "sit back until later when we can talk about power roles". Well I guess what I think about that should be obvious to most people. | ||
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
On November 03 2011 09:56 GMarshal wrote: Filter him. His grammar and spelling is annoying and he's pushing nonesense that doesn't further finding scum. Could you provide specific examples where he is deliberately derailing town? On November 03 2011 09:55 iGrok wrote: I did post yet. I've been talking with my partner so far. You know me, all I ever do is lurk the first half of D1. I'll break this wide open end of D1 or N1, don't worry Trying to draw another day one medic protect by lurking?  What have you been talking with your partner about? | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
On November 03 2011 10:00 redFF wrote: where is the lol coming from, do you agree with my assessment? Erandorr is not in this game. He just thinks it is funny what you said. I agree with this assessment. | ||
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iGrok
United States5142 Posts
On November 03 2011 10:03 kitaman27 wrote: Could you provide specific examples where he is deliberately derailing town? Trying to draw another day one medic protect by lurking? What have you been talking with your partner about? Lol. Maybe. Mostly setup analysis so far, its a simple setup but we're trying to agree on the best way to play | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On November 03 2011 09:56 GMarshal wrote: Filter him. His grammar and spelling is annoying and he's pushing nonesense that doesn't further finding scum. While I agree that it is annoying, since when has this been a good reason for someone to be scum? | ||
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Katzeleute
Canada5 Posts
other than that I want to say that Crofty is a suave, smoothtalking mf lol. | ||
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GreYMisT
United States6736 Posts
On November 03 2011 10:13 Katzeleute wrote: so I'm late to this party (and I didn't bring snacks), but I just want to say I think Hyshes is pretty lucky that discussion turned from his OP to how silly the execution of his tactic sounds. I don't see why someone who's trying to give an impression of modest townishness would even bring up such a ~secretive concept in the first place, whether or not it actually works. While it was a twuely fascinating discussion I'd rather see more defense of character. other than that I want to say that Crofty is a suave, smoothtalking mf lol. It is best to arrive fashionably late after all. What are your thoughts on the setup? in particular the way the team dynamic works with the low team number? | ||
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sandroba
Canada4998 Posts
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sandroba
Canada4998 Posts
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Forumite
Sweden3280 Posts
On November 03 2011 09:56 GMarshal wrote: Filter him. His grammar and spelling is annoying and he's pushing nonesense that doesn't further finding scum. If you don´t think what prplhz does is helping us find scum, then I guess you think hyshes is Town, right? Why didn´t you defend him instead? | ||
GMarshal
United States22154 Posts
On November 03 2011 10:39 Forumite wrote: If you don´t think what prplhz does is helping us find scum, then I guess you think hyshes is Town, right? Why didn´t you defend him instead? I have no idea of hyshes alignment, his NotChezinu plan is derp, but hey, its a plan. You on the other hand seem to be immensely annoyed at being called scum. Why this reaction to being called out? It looks like someone might have something to hide... Answering WBG's question about spelling and grammar, since when does a townie have a motive to make reading his posts harder and making him less likely to properly convey a point, making people more likely to disregard his posts? | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On November 03 2011 10:39 Forumite wrote: If you don´t think what prplhz does is helping us find scum, then I guess you think hyshes is Town, right? Why didn´t you defend him instead? For all we know they could both be scum, let's not forget possibilities here. On November 03 2011 10:51 GMarshal wrote: I have no idea of hyshes alignment, his NotChezinu plan is derp, but hey, its a plan. You on the other hand seem to be immensely annoyed at being called scum. Why this reaction to being called out? It looks like someone might have something to hide... Answering WBG's question about spelling and grammar, since when does a townie have a motive to make reading his posts harder and making him less likely to properly convey a point, making people more likely to disregard his posts? You seem to be all over the place atm, GMarsh. I think that's a pretty convoluted reason to think someone is mafia, especially in light of a much simpler and robust reason for hyshes being mafia. I would take your reads and reverse them; I think hyshes is probably scum (with chaoser) and I can't read prpl atm. | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
no wonder he wouldn't consider that a possibility | ||
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GMarshal
United States22154 Posts
On November 03 2011 10:58 wherebugsgo wrote: For all we know they could both be scum, let's not forget possibilities here. You seem to be all over the place atm, GMarsh. I think that's a pretty convoluted reason to think someone is mafia, especially in light of a much simpler and robust reason for hyshes being mafia. I would take your reads and reverse them; I think hyshes is probably scum (with chaoser) and I can't read prpl atm. And why do you think hyshes is scum? His plan? I'm not disagreeing, mind you, I just can't think of a reason why scum would post such an insane plan in the thread, rather than in the scum QT, unless he really *didn't* read his role PM, which would be patently ridiculous. We've seen many townies produce super anti-town plans in the past, which is why I'm hesitant to judge him just on that. I'm actually decent at reading chaoser, which is why I'm reserving judgement, I should be able to figure chaoser out a lot faster than hyshes, whom I have no experience with. So yeah, I'm jotting him down as a null read till I see more. But by all means, pile on the votes, I'm intrigued to see how that whole team reacts. | ||
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GMarshal
United States22154 Posts
On November 03 2011 09:56 supersoft wrote: okay nothing interesting came up, yet. one thing i want to point out. if you're town, save all your conversations with your teampartner. if you're getting lynched, these conversations may provide something that speaks in favor of you. I know scum will do that, too now... BUT it's a lot of work to fake logs. and why should we be gentle with these guys?! Also, I like this idea, making scum do extra work is always a good thing ^_^ | ||
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
On November 03 2011 09:56 supersoft wrote: okay nothing interesting came up, yet. one thing i want to point out. if you're town, save all your conversations with your teampartner. if you're getting lynched, these conversations may provide something that speaks in favor of you. I know scum will do that, too now... BUT it's a lot of work to fake logs. and why should we be gentle with these guys?! Yeah I'm going to have to disagree with that. This isn't post-conversation-to-try-to-make-people-trust-you. This is mafia. Let's try NOT using shit like this to "confirm" one another. I thought we already covered this topic in PYPI | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On November 03 2011 11:04 GMarshal wrote: And why do you think hyshes is scum? His plan? I'm not disagreeing, mind you, I just can't think of a reason why scum would post such an insane plan in the thread, rather than in the scum QT, unless he really *didn't* read his role PM, which would be patently ridiculous. We've seen many townies produce super anti-town plans in the past, which is why I'm hesitant to judge him just on that. I'm actually decent at reading chaoser, which is why I'm reserving judgement, I should be able to figure chaoser out a lot faster than hyshes, whom I have no experience with. So yeah, I'm jotting him down as a null read till I see more. But by all means, pile on the votes, I'm intrigued to see how that whole team reacts. I agree with you, once chaoser starts posting we'll have a better idea. However, the issue is not the plan about reading PMs. The issue is the fact that he's concerned about covering up mistakes, or preventing mistakes. Townies don't actively try to prevent or cover up mistakes; they're not concerned with getting "caught" (oh I caught a townie! yay!). Rather, scum should be afraid of getting caught. There were no pro-town aspects to his plan. Sure, plans can be bad, but the merit of the plan is not what we're talking about. For the most part, I don't give a flying shit about 95% of plans. (ex. I don't care for your jailkeeper idea; I'm with sandro on that) However, I do care about motivation. A plan could be bad, but if it's pushed forth with town motivation I don't care, I have the information I need, and what matters is that we stuff the plan in the face so we don't have to deal with it. On the other hand, if a plan is anti-town and it seems to be pushed forward with an agenda that we need to be concerned of, I get suspicious. | ||
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
I agree with you, once chaoser starts posting we'll have a better idea. I didn't know you cared so much about what I have to say. I'm in this game on more of an advisory capacity much like how some players/teams were like in RoL's team mini game (I also mainly advised that game). Plans are useless this game. What's the point of a plan? Playing a dry cut and orderly game of mafia with analysis and logic should be enough. If you guys really are going to jump on a dude who posted a horrible plan outright and say he's mafia then I gotta shake my head at that. Mafia don't post a bad plan that's going to bring a lot of attention to them; mafia's not going to attention whore. Townies more often than not do that to either draw out mafia trying to seem "pro-town" (see wherebugsgo with his give me the ring plan in LoTR) or they're just really bad at making/thinking up plans lol. Mafia like to seem pro-town and post things that either agree with what everyone else is saying or lurks. Or they post genuinely good ideas that they feel don't really put them at a disadvantage. (sandroba in PYPI) | ||
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