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Once again, Tastosis having yet another huge display of unprofessionalism during the matches from Group B. Completely bias commentary towards NesTea and mindlessly bashing on the players he faces. This is really getting out of hand.
NesTea stopped a 2 raxx with a pool first build in the most straight way possible and the commentaries were "This guys is actually such a baller!" and "NesTeeeeea is sooooooo good".
Then, during the fase where sC was preparinf the 2-port banshee, they went on saying "sC doesn't know what to do!" "He just doesn't have a plan!".
But worst of all, the display of sadness during the commentary when they figured out NesTea was about to lose and the bashing on sC in the post-game, saying that was a, quote, "Best all-in he could have done - it's the hardest to stop, it's the easiest to execute and the cheapest way into a victory."
I'm not even gonna bother mentioning the 4 straight minute rampage of them talking about Sonic 2 and 3. That ship is sailed. But GomTV really should make this stop. This guys are suppose to be the best commentating duo in the world, yet they are representing eSports with bias and unprofessional displays.
A word beforehand to the Tastosis miindless fanboys who are going to reply to this defending them, keep in mind I'm talking being professional, correct and responsible, it's not about being good at commentating SC2.
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The Nestea bias is absolutely ridiculous. I'm not even sure he's the no.1 zerg anymore, but people are so on his dick they actually push him above MVP at times.
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Holy crap. I totally forgot about this, but I predicted everything right in liquibet! 15 correct votes in a row :D
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I don't really understand why it is so wrong for a commentator to have a favorite player and display his passionate support for him (or her). I'm a huge fan of Nestea as well (being zerg), but when he was describing how amazing MC played, and how he'll destroy everybody, I didn't mind that either. Same with when they were rooting for Jinro, saying he'll surely come out of his group and that he's an amazing terran - and even though I didn't think Jinro was that great I didn't mind the bias at all.
Why does professionalism have to equal zero preferences and no bias? Personally I find the games more entertaining and interesting when I see commentators talking about how amazing they think certain players are. The only point I would agree with is that sometimes it can go over the top and it becomes a bit annoying...but I haven't watched the games because I didn't buy this season's pass so I don't know how it was. But if that's specifically what people are against and that's what occurred then I'd agree...but I don't want commentating to become a stale, neutral description of what's happening without any interest in who wins. It may still be entertaining to some degree...but it just seems like such a killjoy move.
When Nestea wins, and artosis screams "NESTEAAAAA!!!", I'm going to be enjoying the GSL that much more  . I love the passion these guys display (although I suppose its just mainly artosis)
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Ye that comment regarding "Best all in, easiest to execute" made me feel awkward too.
Instead they should have hyped up what was about to happen and what turned out to be intense and close finish. Instead of pointing out how hard Nestea made it for sC to win they were blabbering about all in. Cause majority of players in GSL still would have lost to Nestea doing the same 2Port banshee decision.
Would be so much fun, if just for entertainment sake they would blackout "their obvious" results and just focus on what going on this second. Still gotta love them <3!!!
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On November 02 2011 10:24 radscorpion9 wrote:I don't really understand why it is so wrong for a commentator to have a favorite player and display his passionate support for him (or her). I'm a huge fan of Nestea as well (being zerg), but when he was describing how amazing MC played, and how he'll destroy everybody, I didn't mind that either. Same with when they were rooting for Jinro, saying he'll surely come out of his group and that he's an amazing terran - and even though I didn't think Jinro was that great I didn't mind the bias at all. Why does professionalism have to equal zero preferences and no bias? Personally I find the games more entertaining and interesting when I see commentators talking about how amazing they think certain players are. The only point I would agree with is that sometimes it can go over the top and it becomes a bit annoying...but I haven't watched the games because I didn't buy this season's pass so I don't know how it was. But if that's specifically what people are against and that's what occurred then I'd agree...but I don't want commentating to become a stale, neutral description of what's happening without any interest in who wins. It may still be entertaining to some degree...but it just seems like such a killjoy move. When Nestea wins, and artosis screams "NESTEAAAAA!!!", I'm going to be enjoying the GSL that much more . I love the passion these guys display (although I suppose its just mainly artosis)
Then go buy a season ticket and watch it before you actually give your opinion out, because it wouldn't actually mean much if you don't even know what you're talking about.
Artosis was bashing sC the majority of the time, saying that sC didn't even know what to do after NesTea spotted his proxy rax, and bashed on him harder when he saw the 2-port banshee happen. After sC won the game, Artosis was still going on about how NesTea would've won anyway, and how sC just won because "it's the easiest all-in to do, and the hardest to defend", with Tasteless awkardly agreeing just to get it over with.
Artosis should have focused more on the fact that his god didn't put his spores in good all-around positions, taking into account their attack radius, to defend all possible banshee attack paths after he scouted the incoming banshee attack, nor the fact that NesTea should've made more queens before the attack hit and even during the attack when he noticed the banshees not having cloak, and move his spores into better positions quicker. It isn't sC's fault that NesTea had weak spots in his defense when he got into NesTea's bases, much less exploit those weaknesses like a good player should.
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On November 02 2011 10:24 radscorpion9 wrote:I don't really understand why it is so wrong for a commentator to have a favorite player and display his passionate support for him (or her). I'm a huge fan of Nestea as well (being zerg), but when he was describing how amazing MC played, and how he'll destroy everybody, I didn't mind that either. Same with when they were rooting for Jinro, saying he'll surely come out of his group and that he's an amazing terran - and even though I didn't think Jinro was that great I didn't mind the bias at all. Why does professionalism have to equal zero preferences and no bias? Personally I find the games more entertaining and interesting when I see commentators talking about how amazing they think certain players are. The only point I would agree with is that sometimes it can go over the top and it becomes a bit annoying...but I haven't watched the games because I didn't buy this season's pass so I don't know how it was. But if that's specifically what people are against and that's what occurred then I'd agree...but I don't want commentating to become a stale, neutral description of what's happening without any interest in who wins. It may still be entertaining to some degree...but it just seems like such a killjoy move. When Nestea wins, and artosis screams "NESTEAAAAA!!!", I'm going to be enjoying the GSL that much more . I love the passion these guys display (although I suppose its just mainly artosis)
Though I understand your position, you have to think bigger here. To a good portion of the broadcast followers, particularly the ones that are getting into Starcraft, the words of the commentators mean a lot and will to some degree influence the appreciation you have for a player. Now it's perfectly OK to exalt great plays from a player you personally prefer, and even acknowledge you particularly like that players skills and style. But you have to keep in mind that you're representing a company, a community and ultimately a full scene.
This being sad, I find it pretty much unacceptable that you do diminishing commentary on a player that just beat the one you like the most. Or commentating with a level of bias that ultimately makes you say things that don't make any sense what so ever (take saying that NesTea hold made an «unbelievable» hold on a 2 raxx with a pool first build). Or using the expression "the cheapest way into a victory" as a justification for a lose of your favorite player.
Take this last example... What will a newcomer that knows very little about Starcraft think about any player that goes 1-base all-in?
And about the humor and making the cast interesting, let me ask you, how you like Marv Albert (the legendary NBA commentator) to start talking about a lollipop he tasted in High School?
Being capable of incorporating humor into a cast is an amazing skill to have as a broadcaster. And both Nick and Dan have that capability. And they should in fact exploit that. Take their recent MLG commentating performance - absolutely top-notch without going off-topic about cartoons, baby clothes and model cars.
Ultimately, the grow of E-Sports as a whole can only be sustained by showcasing a level of professionalism and correct posture from it's most notable representatives. Having commentators being bias in their jobs is not helping. Having big personalities of the game in famous shows like SotG using the S and F words is not helping.
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On November 02 2011 06:41 1Eris1 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 06:34 bittman wrote:On November 02 2011 06:26 1Eris1 wrote:On November 02 2011 06:25 ffadicted wrote:On November 02 2011 06:19 1Eris1 wrote:
Lost a ton of respect for MMA today. lol what? Also, sC vs. Nestea is what it is guys, tons of people have lost to all-ins when they didn't prepare and react properly, idk why everyone's making such a big deal out of it, sC clearly deserved the number 1 spot in the group and earned it. Nice to see MC advancing as well! Screwing over his teammate? Yeah, seems like a really cool guy. Individual league + enough SlayerS players to ensure they will most likely end up in the same group somewhere + SlayerS players making in house rivalries to increase skill + whoreallycaresareyouserious? Would you never want to play your friends on the big stage? It doesn't mean you purposely pick your teamamte knowing there is probably a 99% chance you are screwing him over. If they ended up in the group by chance, fine whatever, that happens. But purposely picking him? Especially when you know it's going to be an easy win for you? Thats pretty low. Can't believe you guys are supporting MMA here. He made a dick move and fucked over his teammate. Maybe if Yugioh had just won the past GSL or whatever, or was already a very sucessfull player, but the dude just made it into Code S after how many seasons? And then you just decide to knock him back into Code A? Not cool. I'd feel pretty betrayed if I was Yugioh.
I don't like that even in the explanation given above, MMA appears to have little respect for Yugioh.
MMA: "Yugioh is going to get eliminated anyway, might as well be by me. It would be best for the team and myself. It would make it easier for me to qualify, and spare another player the shot at a free kill. After all, there is no chance that he could ever pull an upset in another group. None at all."
Yugioh: *confidence dying*
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i barely listen to commentators but all i know is i can stand tastosis talking more than moletrap or day9
yugioh doesnt belong in code s (if you seen him play you know, he only won the up/down because his opponents went herpderp mode)
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On November 02 2011 06:48 SeaSwift wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 06:43 Abrafred wrote:On November 02 2011 06:28 WesleyLok wrote:On November 02 2011 06:26 1Eris1 wrote:On November 02 2011 06:25 ffadicted wrote:On November 02 2011 06:19 1Eris1 wrote:
Lost a ton of respect for MMA today. lol what? Also, sC vs. Nestea is what it is guys, tons of people have lost to all-ins when they didn't prepare and react properly, idk why everyone's making such a big deal out of it, sC clearly deserved the number 1 spot in the group and earned it. Nice to see MC advancing as well! Screwing over his teammate? Yeah, seems like a really cool guy. The SlayerS team heard gossip that alot of players were planning to pick yugioh because they felt that he was weak. MMA jokingly mentioned that to MVP and MVP said that he was going to pick yugioh. MMA picked yugioh to spare him from MVP. This sounds completely ridiculous. As if you are trying to defy logic and end up with a totally irrational way to justify MMA. MMA picked Yugioh to spare him ????????waaaaahtt? Bottom line is that it is bad sportsmanship to select a teammate for you group, and even more so selecting a teammate who is universally accept as inferior , as you imply. Pffft. I think everyone's making WAYYY too big a deal of this (well, it's not as bad as the whole Milkis affair, at least). YuGiOh didn't have much chance wherever he went, and he knew it. I think MMA knew that, and the rest of the SlayerS team knew it too. This is the individual league - not the team league. They practice together and they support each other emotionally, but that doesn't mean that you can't take a free win from a team-mate if you know you can to advance.
I'm sorry dude, but it still doesn't sound right.
and considering the power dynamics in Korea, it's likely that Yugioh didn't even try his best in the game, because it would be disrespectful to MMA. He may have been able to if it was another group.
Anyway, that's all done. I wish the best to MMA, and hope Yugioh stays up.
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Nestea MMA next round .... ooooh baby games just get better and better...
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Fact was that MVP was going to pick YuGiOh, and that he was picking right after MMA. MMA poked and prodded asking if MVP was really picking YuGiOh, and got to confirm that he really WAS going to pick him just before the GSL went live, so he had to decide himself whether or not to prevent MVP from getting YuGiOh by getting him himself. Sure it was cruel, because MMA practically got a win at the expense of a teammate deliberately, but he was thinking logically. Cold, yes, but logically.
If MVP got to pick YuGiOh, YuGiOh would have no idea who to put into MVP's group, seeing as MVP has great all-around play and despite not being as good in his TvP, would have been able to defeat any and all Protosses in the pool in a best of 1. With YuGiOh not having an obvious choice for the 3rd player in the group, he would be confused and would probably make just as bad a choice as he did picking MC for MMA's group. With those uncertainties regarding YuGiOh's choice, MMA, with a known weakness for TvP, may have thought that if YuGiOh was in his group, he could expect YuGiOh (out of spite) to bring in a protoss that is strong enough to defeat him (MMA), which would work in his favor, as he could just practice TvP mostly. And practice he did. We didn't see the MMA that went for drops aggressively and losing most of his marines and medivacs. We saw an MMA that was very defensive, and actually got ghosts, which is absolutely necessary for TvP.
So thinking at it logically, it was a really great choice by MMA getting YuGiOh in his group, despite it being cold, or even cruel to his own teammate.
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On November 02 2011 11:28 BarbieHsu wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 06:48 SeaSwift wrote:On November 02 2011 06:43 Abrafred wrote:On November 02 2011 06:28 WesleyLok wrote:On November 02 2011 06:26 1Eris1 wrote:On November 02 2011 06:25 ffadicted wrote:On November 02 2011 06:19 1Eris1 wrote:
Lost a ton of respect for MMA today. lol what? Also, sC vs. Nestea is what it is guys, tons of people have lost to all-ins when they didn't prepare and react properly, idk why everyone's making such a big deal out of it, sC clearly deserved the number 1 spot in the group and earned it. Nice to see MC advancing as well! Screwing over his teammate? Yeah, seems like a really cool guy. The SlayerS team heard gossip that alot of players were planning to pick yugioh because they felt that he was weak. MMA jokingly mentioned that to MVP and MVP said that he was going to pick yugioh. MMA picked yugioh to spare him from MVP. This sounds completely ridiculous. As if you are trying to defy logic and end up with a totally irrational way to justify MMA. MMA picked Yugioh to spare him ????????waaaaahtt? Bottom line is that it is bad sportsmanship to select a teammate for you group, and even more so selecting a teammate who is universally accept as inferior , as you imply. Pffft. I think everyone's making WAYYY too big a deal of this (well, it's not as bad as the whole Milkis affair, at least). YuGiOh didn't have much chance wherever he went, and he knew it. I think MMA knew that, and the rest of the SlayerS team knew it too. This is the individual league - not the team league. They practice together and they support each other emotionally, but that doesn't mean that you can't take a free win from a team-mate if you know you can to advance. I'm sorry dude, but it still doesn't sound right. and considering the power dynamics in Korea, it's likely that Yugioh didn't even try his best in the game, because it would be disrespectful to MMA. He may have been able to if it was another group. Anyway, that's all done. I wish the best to MMA, and hope Yugioh stays up.
...they all tried their best to qualify. MMA noticed that Mvp was eyeing Yugioh and picked Yugioh himself with the mindset of "let's qualify out of this group together". He just didn't have the possibility a third slayers player being in the same group in his mind when he did that.
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On November 02 2011 10:11 1Eris1 wrote:
The Nestea bias is absolutely ridiculous. I'm not even sure he's the no.1 zerg anymore, but people are so on his dick they actually push him above MVP at times.
Er while tastless/artosis might be a bit biased at times there is still no question as to him being the #1 zerg lol.
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On November 02 2011 10:11 1Eris1 wrote:
The Nestea bias is absolutely ridiculous. I'm not even sure he's the no.1 zerg anymore, but people are so on his dick they actually push him above MVP at times.
Granted the word "God" gets thrown around with Nestea all the time, there's no denying that he's the #1 Zerg and arguably could be the best player altogether too...
How can you even question that? He has 3 GSL championships, and has not been into a huge slump that could make that argument debatable (unlike MC).
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On November 02 2011 11:50 KanoCoke wrote:
Fact was that MVP was going to pick YuGiOh, and that he was picking right after MMA. MMA poked and prodded asking if MVP was really picking YuGiOh, and got to confirm that he really WAS going to pick him just before the GSL went live, so he had to decide himself whether or not to prevent MVP from getting YuGiOh by getting him himself. Sure it was cruel, because MMA practically got a win at the expense of a teammate deliberately, but he was thinking logically. Cold, yes, but logically.
If MVP got to pick YuGiOh, YuGiOh would have no idea who to put into MVP's group, seeing as MVP has great all-around play and despite not being as good in his TvP, would have been able to defeat any and all Protosses in the pool in a best of 1. With YuGiOh not having an obvious choice for the 3rd player in the group, he would be confused and would probably make just as bad a choice as he did picking MC for MMA's group. With those uncertainties regarding YuGiOh's choice, MMA, with a known weakness for TvP, may have thought that if YuGiOh was in his group, he could expect YuGiOh (out of spite) to bring in a protoss that is strong enough to defeat him (MMA), which would work in his favor, as he could just practice TvP mostly. And practice he did. We didn't see the MMA that went for drops aggressively and losing most of his marines and medivacs. We saw an MMA that was very defensive, and actually got ghosts, which is absolutely necessary for TvP.
So thinking at it logically, it was a really great choice by MMA getting YuGiOh in his group, despite it being cold, or even cruel to his own teammate.
I'm not arguing it wasn't "smart" by MMA if he wants to advance. But it's hurting your teammate. Even if MVP was going to pick Yugioh, then MMA would have been a great training partner in preparation. Instead, who is going to practice with Yugoih vs MMA? Ryung? Oh wait he's in that group too. Ganzi? He has to prepare for a bunch of TvT. Boxer? Lol.
Anyways thats why I said I "lost respect" for MMA.
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On November 02 2011 12:04 trinxified wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 10:11 1Eris1 wrote:
The Nestea bias is absolutely ridiculous. I'm not even sure he's the no.1 zerg anymore, but people are so on his dick they actually push him above MVP at times. Granted the word "God" gets thrown around with Nestea all the time, there's no denying that he's the #1 Zerg and arguably could be the best player altogether too... How can you even question that? He has 3 GSL championships, and has not been into a huge slump that could make that argument debatable (unlike MC).
How can I question he's not the best player right now? Um. Considering MVP has knocked him out of two or three straight tournaments in a row I don't think theres any question.
And I said I'm not sure he's the no.1 zerg anymore because frankly zerg is pretty up in the air. His games at Blizzcon against MVP were nice, but he hasn't really had any deep runs in the GSL lately. (Again, obviously he got knocked out by MVP, but that makes it hard to really judge where he is at.) Would Nestea beat MKP, MMA, Ganzi, Happy, etc? Im not sure at this point.
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On November 02 2011 12:14 1Eris1 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 11:50 KanoCoke wrote:
Fact was that MVP was going to pick YuGiOh, and that he was picking right after MMA. MMA poked and prodded asking if MVP was really picking YuGiOh, and got to confirm that he really WAS going to pick him just before the GSL went live, so he had to decide himself whether or not to prevent MVP from getting YuGiOh by getting him himself. Sure it was cruel, because MMA practically got a win at the expense of a teammate deliberately, but he was thinking logically. Cold, yes, but logically.
If MVP got to pick YuGiOh, YuGiOh would have no idea who to put into MVP's group, seeing as MVP has great all-around play and despite not being as good in his TvP, would have been able to defeat any and all Protosses in the pool in a best of 1. With YuGiOh not having an obvious choice for the 3rd player in the group, he would be confused and would probably make just as bad a choice as he did picking MC for MMA's group. With those uncertainties regarding YuGiOh's choice, MMA, with a known weakness for TvP, may have thought that if YuGiOh was in his group, he could expect YuGiOh (out of spite) to bring in a protoss that is strong enough to defeat him (MMA), which would work in his favor, as he could just practice TvP mostly. And practice he did. We didn't see the MMA that went for drops aggressively and losing most of his marines and medivacs. We saw an MMA that was very defensive, and actually got ghosts, which is absolutely necessary for TvP.
So thinking at it logically, it was a really great choice by MMA getting YuGiOh in his group, despite it being cold, or even cruel to his own teammate. I'm not arguing it wasn't "smart" by MMA if he wants to advance. But it's hurting your teammate. Even if MVP was going to pick Yugioh, then MMA would have been a great training partner in preparation. Instead, who is going to practice with Yugoih vs MMA? Ryung? Oh wait he's in that group too. Ganzi? He has to prepare for a bunch of TvT. Boxer? Lol.Anyways thats why I said I "lost respect" for MMA.
Whoa whoa whoa buddy! Easy there!
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On November 02 2011 12:04 trinxified wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 10:11 1Eris1 wrote:
The Nestea bias is absolutely ridiculous. I'm not even sure he's the no.1 zerg anymore, but people are so on his dick they actually push him above MVP at times. Granted the word "God" gets thrown around with Nestea all the time, there's no denying that he's the #1 Zerg and arguably could be the best player altogether too... How can you even question that? He has 3 GSL championships, and has not been into a huge slump that could make that argument debatable (unlike MC).
Best zerg? Yes. Best player? No.
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On November 02 2011 12:42 rysecake wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 12:04 trinxified wrote:On November 02 2011 10:11 1Eris1 wrote:
The Nestea bias is absolutely ridiculous. I'm not even sure he's the no.1 zerg anymore, but people are so on his dick they actually push him above MVP at times. Granted the word "God" gets thrown around with Nestea all the time, there's no denying that he's the #1 Zerg and arguably could be the best player altogether too... How can you even question that? He has 3 GSL championships, and has not been into a huge slump that could make that argument debatable (unlike MC). Best zerg? Yes. Best player? No.
Agreed. MMA, MVP, or one of those other Terrans are definitely doing better than Nestea right now.
Tastosis joking around by talking about Nestea like the internet talks about Chuck Norris does get a little tiring, but far worse than that is blindly going in the opposite direction and saying Nestea is bad. Nestea has a solid record to back up his hype. Other than isolated incidents there is nothing suggesting that Nestea isnt still a top Zerg player if not the top Zerg player.
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