EPTsorry for immediate inactivity, i was busier than normal in the past 2 days. I also dont know what the fuck we are doing voting people for no good reason.
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Kenpachi
United States9908 Posts
sorry for immediate inactivity, i was busier than normal in the past 2 days. I also dont know what the fuck we are doing voting people for no good reason. | ||
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NotChezinu
Zimbabwe61 Posts
On September 29 2011 06:54 Kenpachi wrote: hi guys im townie sorry for immediate inactivity, i was busier than normal in the past 2 days. I also dont know what the fuck we are doing voting people for no good reason. Hi kenpachi! I'm NotChezinu! I'm not sure what I am, do you know? Could you send me a pm if you do? | ||
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Kenpachi
United States9908 Posts
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Nisani201
United States1400 Posts
On September 29 2011 06:54 Kenpachi wrote: hi guys im townie sorry for immediate inactivity, i was busier than normal in the past 2 days. I also dont know what the fuck we are doing voting people for no good reason. Why was that blue? | ||
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NotChezinu
Zimbabwe61 Posts
On September 29 2011 06:58 NotChezinu wrote: Hi kenpachi! I'm NotChezinu! I'm not sure what I am, do you know? Could you send me a pm if you do? Silly kenpachi! I know who I am, I'm just unsure of what I am | ||
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risk.nuke
Sweden2825 Posts
I've played alot of mafia and I don't think it's ever been good for townies to lynch the first day for no reason, Just scum and people who've played to much and gotten bored of anything but immidiate action does that. | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
but maybe you'd rather we just roll over and get shot? i don't see how that would help us catch scum | ||
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tnkted
United States1359 Posts
On September 29 2011 06:36 prplhz wrote: @tnkted i don't understand that at all ... when the first sniper flips the second sniper is gonna have an explanation problem on his hands. Yes but the red sniper only gets one kill anyway. So he might as well get the town vig, who has TWO shots. Otherwise, if he lets the town vig live, he's basically claiming mafia if he shoots later in the game. | ||
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Erandorr
2283 Posts
On September 29 2011 06:12 Palmar wrote: I agree with Mig btw. But I don't think WBG is scum either, just have a quick look at the way he's posting. I don't think he's actually played scum, but this looks much more like his overconfident in your face town play. Both being wrong and being aggressive fit his meta perfectly. that being said: ##Vote Jackal58 Read MLP mafia and say that again... | ||
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Jackal58
United States4264 Posts
On September 29 2011 06:12 Palmar wrote: I agree with Mig btw. But I don't think WBG is scum either, just have a quick look at the way he's posting. I don't think he's actually played scum, but this looks much more like his overconfident in your face town play. Both being wrong and being aggressive fit his meta perfectly. that being said: ##Vote Jackal58 Bugs is scum. He's not playing like an idiot. | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
can you clarify that or are you just throwing accusations around, hiding behind some supposedly well known fact that you suck until day3 and should just be left alive no matter what you do? | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
Like, for example, these posts: On September 29 2011 08:14 Jackal58 wrote: Bugs is scum. He's not playing like an idiot. Is Jackal dumb town for thinking I'm scum (and not even knowing my meta despite Jackal playing in every single game I've ever appeared in?) or is he scum because he accuses me of being scum without voting me and making his opinion real? On September 29 2011 06:54 Kenpachi wrote: hi guys im townie sorry for immediate inactivity, i was busier than normal in the past 2 days. I also dont know what the fuck we are doing voting people for no good reason. Is Kenpachi dumb/useless town because he highlighted townie in blue, said he was townie, and is inactive, or is he scum because he's always inactive and this time he actually decided to give an excuse for it? Is anyone else seeing this shit or am I just super picky? Anyway, I'm going to ignore them unless something changes before tomorrow. So, let's move on to some people I think we can actually consider seriously at this moment in time: On tnkted: On September 29 2011 05:58 Mig wrote: Ok but honestly who cares? So mafia shoots sinani/etc in the hopes of killing the vigs? Good for them. They are shooting people who can't mason and aren't hitting out other power roles. People who can't pm and vigs are a lot less important than active townies and meds/dts. And you realize that if tnkted posts this plan to list the mutes in thread and suddenly mafia starts sniping them it makes him look terrible right? Mafia are much more likely to pm everyone on their own than they are to post about it in the thread and risk the backlash. And maybe you would want to pm people to try and manipulate them but in general the ability to pm strongly favors townies. Your case against tnkted is incredibly weak you are stretching with almost all your statements to try and make him appear scummy. You and I have a different view of the PM/mute mechanic. You think the mason mechanic is useful for town. I think it's useful to an extent but I don't trust it. Smart scum will use the mason mechanic to manipulate town and get what they want by selectively distributing misinformation. They can also convince townies that they are town and even contradict themselves in the thread while telling people in PMs other things; dumb townies are even predisposed to believing them. I also think that, because the muted players are much more likely to be townies, these guys will be posting in the thread more because that's all they can do. Thus, I imagine that these players will attempt to contribute more in the thread rather than actively lurk in the thread while spamming others with PMs (since they don't have that ability to begin with) Thus, aiming for muted players, IMO, is actually OPTIMAL for scum. Of course, if a muted player turns out to be a shitty town contributor in the thread then of course scum will probably not find a good reason to shoot them, but I think muted players will be predisposed to contributing more in the thread since that's all they can do. Also, you don't know that they're not hitting the other power roles. What happens if a power role (other than the sniper) is also mute? Finally my case on tnkted is not weak IMO, but if you think it's so weak you need to put up an alternate person with some reasoning instead of just attacking my methodology. On September 29 2011 06:20 tnkted wrote: I think the sniper roles in this game are pretty stupid anyway. The minute one sniper posts #kill whoever the other sniper is just gonna kill the first sniper and claim that hes the REAL sniper, that other guy is an imposter (this is assuming that there is 1 sniper on each team which doesn't seem that unreasonable to me). More shitty logic. as prpl already pointed out we'll find out whether the sniper who countershot is full of shit or not when the flip happens. It doesn't make sense from either side to do something like this because you can't assume that town only has one blu sniper! If we have two blu snipers and the scum team has none then what? If we have two blu and the scum team has one then what? Your logic isn't making sense, dude. On September 29 2011 07:27 tnkted wrote: Yes but the red sniper only gets one kill anyway. So he might as well get the town vig, who has TWO shots. Otherwise, if he lets the town vig live, he's basically claiming mafia if he shoots later in the game. Again, this makes no sense. One for one trade is only beneficial from the town side, and ONLY if we can correctly assume that there aren't two town snipers. If the town sided sniper shoots and then the red sniper shoots the townie the countershooter will be lynched the following day no matter what. That's not favorable for mafia. The red sniper will probably only shoot a scummy target or will shoot if he knows he's about to die due to lynch or aimed shot, countershooting will likely never happen. (and if it does we need to lynch whoever the fuck does it and ends up getting a townie shot) On September 29 2011 06:12 Palmar wrote: I agree with Mig btw. But I don't think WBG is scum either, just have a quick look at the way he's posting. I don't think he's actually played scum, but this looks much more like his overconfident in your face town play. Both being wrong and being aggressive fit his meta perfectly. that being said: ##Vote Jackal58 And here we have Palmar. I'll be watching you carefully Palmar. Just so you know. | ||
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risk.nuke
Sweden2825 Posts
How long left untill night starts? | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On September 29 2011 06:12 Palmar wrote: I agree with Mig btw. But I don't think WBG is scum either, just have a quick look at the way he's posting. I don't think he's actually played scum, but this looks much more like his overconfident in your face town play. Both being wrong and being aggressive fit his meta perfectly. that being said: ##Vote Jackal58 I don't really understand this vote... It's one of my least favorite things in these games for people to just vote others without reason. On September 29 2011 05:10 prplhz wrote: so PM land is baller and all but you know, there are mute people around, townies too. and those guys can't really talk in PMs or talk about what's happening in (most) PMs and it's cool and all that you're hanging out in PM land but people need to post here too. 14 pages after one day, this is hands down the slowest mafia game ever. i think it was batman mafia where we were at 60 pages after one day or something like that, and WaW2 too but that was different. PM land is cool but post here too i don't like tnkted's plan but it's the only thing there is to talk about. dunno if towns should keep accepting shitty plans in the beginning of the game just for the sake of something to talk about. Mig's logic is sound but that's pretty boring. also, Palmar actually is scum this time Isn't PM land more beneficial for town? I think this is only my 2nd or 3rd PM game, so correct me if I'm wrong. Since scum already starts with quite a bit more info than town does, isn't it better to use PM land the best we can? Obviously things need to be posted in the thread, but if people can use their discretion with one person instead of having to say it publicly, isn't that better? | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On September 29 2011 08:47 risk.nuke wrote: prphlz we shouldn't role over, but if we need to lynch someone day 1 we need to make an as educated guess as we can. Random lynching does not favor town since random lynchs mean percentage wise we're always more likely to hit town then scum. In addition scum will always have scum friends to manipulate the outcome so chances of hitting scum like that is even less then the original 1/4. How long left untill night starts? stop pretending to contribute. If you think random lynches are bad then identify which of the current lynch targets are random and put one up of your own that clearly isn't random because you have reasoning for it. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22630 Posts
On September 29 2011 08:48 jcarlsoniv wrote: I don't really understand this vote... It's one of my least favorite things in these games for people to just vote others without reason. Jackal always lurks days 1-2, but there is actually a difference in the content of the things he writes. Whatever little he posts as town is usually at least semi-informative, but Jackal's preferred method of playing scum is to completely deny information. Feigning mute fits 100% with what I'd expect jackal to do as scum. And if you read through his posts there is almost no content in them. This is jackal accusing WBG in LOTR on day one: On September 18 2011 21:25 Jackal58 wrote: My vote is going on Bugs. Having played a couple of games with him now I know he is aggressive as town. He has not trolled any games to this point. His activity level is the same but his style is different. I don't believe he is mafia but I do believe he is 3rd party with a separate win condition from town. Right now I see two options for him. Lynch him or give him the ring and see what happens. If he and the ring leave the game that is probably not a bad thing. If we lynch him and the ring stays in the game that's probably not quite as optimal but still not a bad thing. Worse case scenario is they are both still here tomorrow. If you have the ring give it to Bugs. I can't believe that will end the game. The ring is inherently evil anyways. Other than Bugs the only person that has struck me as off is Heist. I'm more sure of Bugs not being town than I am of Heist being scum so Bugs is getting my vote. This is jackal accusing WBG in this game day one: On September 29 2011 08:14 Jackal58 wrote: Bugs is scum. He's not playing like an idiot. Can you spot the difference? He does at least give reasoning in LOTR, even if most of the post is speculation about mechanics. But at least he posted quite a bit in the first day of that game. My vote staying on Jackal, I suggest the rest of you do the same. | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On September 29 2011 08:57 Palmar wrote: Jackal always lurks days 1-2, but there is actually a difference in the content of the things he writes. Whatever little he posts as town is usually at least semi-informative, but Jackal's preferred method of playing scum is to completely deny information. Feigning mute fits 100% with what I'd expect jackal to do as scum. And if you read through his posts there is almost no content in them. This is jackal accusing WBG in LOTR on day one: This is jackal accusing WBG in this game day one: Can you spot the difference? He does at least give reasoning in LOTR, even if most of the post is speculation about mechanics. But at least he posted quite a bit in the first day of that game. My vote staying on Jackal, I suggest the rest of you do the same. You're right, this is how he posted as scum in resurrection too. When I switched from Ace to Jackal in my tunnel he completely shut down, too. | ||
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
On September 29 2011 08:47 risk.nuke wrote: How long left untill night starts? The current deadline is 22:00 GMT (+00:00). You have approximately 22 hours remaining. | ||
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Jackal58
United States4264 Posts
On September 29 2011 08:36 prplhz wrote: @jack can you clarify that or are you just throwing accusations around, hiding behind some supposedly well known fact that you suck until day3 and should just be left alive no matter what you do? In Aces Some Mafia Game he makes intentional "scum slips" as town for reasons only he knows. He didn't bother to share his reasoning after the game he just basically said "tuff shit". In LOTR he attempted to play up a 3rd party persona for reasons I still don't get. His play in MLP is pretty much like it is now. Fucking normal. I noticed the difference in that game and even made a joke about him being scum since he wasn't playing scummy town. I didn't know I was right when I made the joke. He's playing the same game here. He's scum. So is Palmar I suspect. Go read Bugs play in Aces game and LOTR and compare to MLP. Won't take much to see the diff. The townie village idiot play comes out immediately. The "Let's find scum and analyze" scum Bugs comes out immediately too. Bugs is scum. | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On September 29 2011 09:33 Jackal58 wrote: In Aces Some Mafia Game he makes intentional "scum slips" as town for reasons only he knows. He didn't bother to share his reasoning after the game he just basically said "tuff shit". In LOTR he attempted to play up a 3rd party persona for reasons I still don't get. His play in MLP is pretty much like it is now. Fucking normal. I noticed the difference in that game and even made a joke about him being scum since he wasn't playing scummy town. I didn't know I was right when I made the joke. He's playing the same game here. He's scum. So is Palmar I suspect. Go read Bugs play in Aces game and LOTR and compare to MLP. Won't take much to see the diff. The townie village idiot play comes out immediately. The "Let's find scum and analyze" scum Bugs comes out immediately too. Bugs is scum. Actually I did explain the reason I "acted scummy" in both games. It was to make everyone act the same toward me, and to trap those who focused on certain specific things. In LoTR by trolling I identified those who had shitty reasons for voting me (Dr. H, Drazerk) In Ace's game not everyone agreed with my methodology either, which is fine, but I actually trapped both chaos13 and Palmar with what I did. I wrongly thought chaos13 was just dumb town for reacting the way he did so I ignored him, but Palmar I grasped onto. If you notice, before I died I switched off tunneling you, Jackal, into saying I'd rather have Palmar lynched the next day. Lo and behold he ended up being scum in the end. In fact, normally when I stop tunneling someone very abruptly it's because I have a huge gut feeling on another person who is more likely to be scum. This happened in resurrection with Ace/Jackal where I just realized there was no way Ace was scum and Jackal had to be the one, it happened in SMG with Curu/Jackal/Palmar where I just dropped Curu and Jackal and decided Palmar was it, it happened in LoTR when I dropped Drazerk and Trancestorm dead cold and pursued Dr. H, and now I think Jackal is scum too so I'll have to set aside tnkted for later. Lastly you're dead wrong about MLP too because I did "act scummy" there as well. Remember day 2 and the piece bs? Remember my slip with respect to the timing of receiving my piece? ##unvote tnkted ##vote Jackal58 | ||
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