On June 27 2011 15:13 Endymion wrote: I can't respect ugly girls, just like I can't respect ugly guys. It's not even a sexual thing, I just don't like ugly people because 99.99% of the time their appearance reflects their personality. That said, I don't respect every attractive person I know, but physical appearances are an initial cut off for me.
Ok after I've been burned at the stake I may as well edit my post. I used to live in a really hostile middle school/high school environment that only cared about physical appearance, not personality or merit. So I was weened on this mindset, and being a fat kid had its definite downs. But now through all the pain I've learned to place fitness above eating, and I'm happily fit and anorexic now. Thus, I find people who call themselves "big-boned" a bit abrasive, especially when they look down on eating disorders or fitness. Also, I don't really like people who think plastic surgery is messing up a girls "natural" beauty when it's the girl's choice to correct her imperfections.
For the people who think I'm shallow, you're just as shallow as me if you care about a personality as much as I value physical beauty, in fact more so because it's easier to shed who you are rather than what you are. I can go to a sports game and be super social, then have dinner with my parents, then be an introvert and play Starcraft for 12 hours, all in one day. Which aspect do you prefer, because I can fake any of them for you, where as I can't really fake what I am unless I commit to surgery or serious physical activity. This makes working out a sort of "achievement," showing that you've committed to something, opposed to money or friends which I could just deceive you about. Judging by a personality is like judging a book by its cover, you need all aspects of the person, not just one.
Maybe I'm just jaded, but don't demean me by labeling me "shallow".....
Reading this, I can't respect you.
First of all, their is a large difference between appearances and personality. The reason why people respect others for their personality rather than their appearances is because their personality is what defines someone. The ability to naturally mold your personality rather than your appearance is on factor in why that person merits respect.
For example, would you respect a lazy person or a hard working person?
However, using your logic, the lazy person could always become a hard working person. Yes, the transition into becoming a hard working person makes them more respectable. Their decision to forsake their laziness and work hard is admirable and deserves respect.
Scenario two: Would you rather respect a ugly person or a pretty person?
Your answer would be probably be the pretty person if you had to pick between the two. Now, what if the ugly person got plastic surgery and now looks very pretty. Even if she still has her ugly personality, you would be more inclined to respect her.
This is why personality determines whether a person merits respect and not appearances.
Yes, I know that you mentioned that the reason you don't respect ugly people is because 99.9% of the time, they have ugly personalities.
First of all, this is extremely stereotypical. Secondly, your logic is extremely fallible. Using this logic, you would not respect elders because they lose their attractiveness to time despite what they have done with their lives.
It is time for you to wake up from your bubble and start thinking for yourself. If you continue your narrow, ignorant ways, don't expect to establish a stable family because 50% of marriages ends in a divorce. I wonder what will happened to your relationship with your wife (under the low circumstances that you'll be able to find one) when she gets old and loses her attractiveness. Then you'll stop respecting her and a relationship without mutual respect cannot last.
Well I can't really control if you respect me, I'm just presenting an arguement against the OP's. The ability to mold and split your personality is the very essence of why it is hard to judge someone on it. That's why in an interview, the company interviewing you will always ask for references, because you're word isn't worth more than another's words are. To be good at interviewing, you need to mold yourself to the other person, to seem like you're likable and a good fit for the job. You don't go into an interview saying "Well, I'm really underqualified for this position, and I smoke weed in my spare time. Oh and I'm a bit of a narcissist."
You would naturally omit parts of yourself that you don't want your employer to see. The exact same thing holds true with talking to girls, or trying to make friends. That's why I value hard work (it's not just beauty, Starcraft achievements garner respect as well because I KNOW how hard it is to obtain, and it's not easily lied about) over words.
I really like your example about elders, because you're right, it's a hole in my reasoning. I partially explain it below the second quote, but I'll go into more detail here. You can't meet everyone, so you have to sift through and take the higher statistic of likely hood [(skinny from gym vs skinny from lypo) (fat from laziness vs fat from disease)]. In the case of elders, or even older people in general, obviously their bodies deteriorate and they can't maintain perfection. I'm not saying you should hate old people because they're ulgy, because you shouldn't hate anyone because they're ugly. Older people become exempt from the process of elimination or classification because they don't apply, so you'll have to talk to all of the older people you can find and make sure they're awesome or not!
On June 27 2011 15:13 Endymion wrote: I can't respect ugly girls, just like I can't respect ugly guys. It's not even a sexual thing, I just don't like ugly people because 99.99% of the time their appearance reflects their personality. That said, I don't respect every attractive person I know, but physical appearances are an initial cut off for me.
Ok after I've been burned at the stake I may as well edit my post. I used to live in a really hostile middle school/high school environment that only cared about physical appearance, not personality or merit. So I was weened on this mindset, and being a fat kid had its definite downs. But now through all the pain I've learned to place fitness above eating, and I'm happily fit and anorexic now. Thus, I find people who call themselves "big-boned" a bit abrasive, especially when they look down on eating disorders or fitness. Also, I don't really like people who think plastic surgery is messing up a girls "natural" beauty when it's the girl's choice to correct her imperfections.
For the people who think I'm shallow, you're just as shallow as me if you care about a personality as much as I value physical beauty, in fact more so because it's easier to shed who you are rather than what you are. I can go to a sports game and be super social, then have dinner with my parents, then be an introvert and play Starcraft for 12 hours, all in one day. Which aspect do you prefer, because I can fake any of them for you, where as I can't really fake what I am unless I commit to surgery or serious physical activity. This makes working out a sort of "achievement," showing that you've committed to something, opposed to money or friends which I could just deceive you about. Judging by a personality is like judging a book by its cover, you need all aspects of the person, not just one.
Maybe I'm just jaded, but don't demean me by labeling me "shallow".....
Oy, difficult where to begin. A lot of what you're saying is very narrow-minded and just furthering the justified views of shallowness. To callously call others shallow because we take into account more than what's physically valued is the cherry on this sundae of melting pettiness and superficiality on your part.
I'm going to ignore your anecdotes and blast from the past because it's just nonsense that reinforced your stereotypical view and sense of "understanding" of people in general, despite how limited and poor it is in the grand scheme of things/society.
But let's halt and read this beauty: Also, I don't really like people who think plastic surgery is messing up a girls "natural" beauty when it's the girl's choice to correct her imperfections.
This poor statement further concludes that you do have a narrow-minded understanding of people. Plastic surgery has legitimate uses, we both know that. What you don't seem to account for is that plastic surgery isn't something people "think is messing up a girl's natural beauty", it just places an importance on a part of them that shouldn't have priority, financial support or be a form of getting over one's insecurities. We all have imperfections, that is what allows one to see a person's perfections. To repair these would be to emphasize these imperfections as something to be insecure about rather than accept that there are key components of you that don't deserve more and better attention (than say the traits and qualities you can improve on).
The true irony here is that you naturally got into shape after being overweight, but then entirely support those who want the easy way into changing themselves without effort. This I find baffling and furthering my conclusions about you
Onward we go: It's faster to judge someone physically and assume their personality than to fake a personality. If I judged you physically before you can come up to me and fake all your traits, guess what's more shallow and easier to perform?
Good try though, that was really cute. I really enjoyed that last throw of the spear. You didn't even justify why ugly people have ugly personalities, you dodged that completely. Did you take note at how, no matter what shape or form you are, your true personality shines in the end.
It's not ironic, you just misunderstand the importance of beauty in terms of classifying people. I believe most people are naturally attracted to beatiful people not because they are sexually stimulated, but because they see the worth in being attractive. Like I said earlier, being attractive implied initiative, where not being attractive does not. So lets throw an example out there. You have your standard girl, she isn't ugly but her older sister is always recognized more because she's a model. The older sister works out every day and cuts meals to maintain her appearance, where as the younger does not. The younger one could be as pretty if she tried, but she doesn't, for whatever reasons (lets say she is just lazy).
So the younger sister decides to get a boob job (fundamentally is useless, a lot of people have issues with their daughters getting them), and all of the men who ignored her for her older sister now flock to her. For a simple 4,000 usd or however much it costs, she efficiently forewent all of her sisters efforts, surpassing her in beauty. Now, is she a better or worse person for this? She's certainly lazier than her sister, but she is more attractive. Place the two in a room together, and a normal man would pick the lazy one over the older one. He has been decieved, he took the girl with the worse personality. Is this wrong? No, it's competition for the older sister to become prettier.
But as a bystander, it's not plausible for me to look at every single human being that I meet and say "Hm, did she get lyposuction? Are those real, or did she just put a lot of effort into working out," so I won't. I'll judge them at face value, and think better of the person thinking that they work out every day. Inversely, I'm forced to do the same thing with ugly people. I'm well aware that there are a lot of people with disorders that force them to be unattractive, or that people don't have the money to get surgery, but how many of them are just lazy? I'm forced to shaft the people who are truly at a disadvantage because of the vast majority who are lazy, in order to maintain my positive outlook on people who work to maintain their image. So here is my apology to all of the awesome non-lazy people who are unattractive, I'm sorry. It's a matter of efficiency, I can't meet every single person and shift through you like sand.
Your last statement is completely incorrect though, because my life is infinitely better now that I've hit the gym. My personality means jack shit, or else my "blast from the past" as you so coldly put it wouldnt' have been as terrible as it was, and I would never be the man that I was today. If my "personality" shone through in the end, then I should have been dating the girl of my dreams on the day of graduation instead of sitting in Tim Hortons eating a bagel, saying "gee, shoulda asked her out." With physical attractiveness comes respect, no matter how cold or retarded it is, that's the world we live in, I'm just the one pointing it out.
tl;dr I'm really not an asshole, and of course I have best friends who aren't attractive.. Stop acting like I want all of the ugly people in the world killed, I don't think being lazy is a mortal sin, it just isn't attractive to me. The blog is titled "attractiveness" after all, not "end all be all attributes of every perfect human"
Holy fuck what am I reading.
You understand there are plenty of people that are attractive and don't have to spend a lot of effort to keep themselves looking that way? And there are ugly people who work hard on there appearance but can't increase themselves above a 6/10 no matter how hard they hit the gym?
People cover up bits of their personalities, but people do the same with physical features they don't like and can't change, so I don't see what your point is.
Just because you have a good personality you are not entitled to anything, and certainly not the girl of your dreams. If you look great you might be able to attract her for a bit (until you open your mouth) but you will have to have the personality to be able to attract her. And that doesn't just mean a good personality, that means a personality that attracts girls.
You seem to see things in such simple terms. Lazy or hard working, attractive or unattractive, fit or fat. It's not that simple. There are people who are very hard working and kind but don't want to spend more than 5 minutes getting ready in the morning because they are so busy. And there are plenty of people who look very good and don't have to spend more than 5 minutes getting ready in the morning. You're saying these people will never have your time because they are what you perceive to be ugly?
On June 27 2011 15:13 Endymion wrote: I can't respect ugly girls, just like I can't respect ugly guys. It's not even a sexual thing, I just don't like ugly people because 99.99% of the time their appearance reflects their personality. That said, I don't respect every attractive person I know, but physical appearances are an initial cut off for me.
Ok after I've been burned at the stake I may as well edit my post. I used to live in a really hostile middle school/high school environment that only cared about physical appearance, not personality or merit. So I was weened on this mindset, and being a fat kid had its definite downs. But now through all the pain I've learned to place fitness above eating, and I'm happily fit and anorexic now. Thus, I find people who call themselves "big-boned" a bit abrasive, especially when they look down on eating disorders or fitness. Also, I don't really like people who think plastic surgery is messing up a girls "natural" beauty when it's the girl's choice to correct her imperfections.
For the people who think I'm shallow, you're just as shallow as me if you care about a personality as much as I value physical beauty, in fact more so because it's easier to shed who you are rather than what you are. I can go to a sports game and be super social, then have dinner with my parents, then be an introvert and play Starcraft for 12 hours, all in one day. Which aspect do you prefer, because I can fake any of them for you, where as I can't really fake what I am unless I commit to surgery or serious physical activity. This makes working out a sort of "achievement," showing that you've committed to something, opposed to money or friends which I could just deceive you about. Judging by a personality is like judging a book by its cover, you need all aspects of the person, not just one.
Maybe I'm just jaded, but don't demean me by labeling me "shallow".....
You're right, you're not shallow. You just don't think.
I find I'm not really attracted to someone until I've actually met them, or they look similar to someone I already know and like. I think familiarity plays a huge role in how attractive one finds someone, which makes neither physical looks nor personality the sole factors of appeal. Everyone has flaws in personality and physical looks, but what holds you together is the feeling of security and trust you develop with an individual who has proven themselves to you. It's something you can't just go out and get anywhere in a single night, so we say it makes us feel special or that we love the person (a natural feeling that maintains the trust of a relationship).
A quick physical judgment: are we even compatible? Would our lifestyles be too different? A slightly longer personality judgment: Do we get along? Do way have things in common? An trust judgment: Do we feel safe together? Do we feel like we know each other?
Chef's 1 2 3 guide to romance lol Personality is only slightly less superficial than physical attractiveness... It isn't really any more controllable than one's appearance, it's just longer lasting. We can call it superficial that someone only thinks about looks, but what we mean is it's dumb because it ignore the other half of compatibility.
On June 28 2011 03:31 TadH wrote: The guy who said he hates ugly people needs to post a pic of himself ASAP.
I don't think he needs to post anything. We already know he has a shit personality (as evidenced by his hate for people based on their appearance) - if hes put together, ugly, whatever, it doesn't change the fact that most of us find him repulsive and want nothing to do with him.
I just wonder if he applies the same logic and sweeping generalizations to all facets of his life, including race, gender etc. If someone is ugly then he hates them because they are lazy. If someone is African American or Aboriginal Canadian then he should hate them because they are a criminal. You can only be friends and interact with so many people so you should play it safe and screen out the lesser races.
On June 27 2011 15:13 Endymion wrote: I can't respect ugly girls, just like I can't respect ugly guys. It's not even a sexual thing, I just don't like ugly people because 99.99% of the time their appearance reflects their personality. That said, I don't respect every attractive person I know, but physical appearances are an initial cut off for me.
Ok after I've been burned at the stake I may as well edit my post. I used to live in a really hostile middle school/high school environment that only cared about physical appearance, not personality or merit. So I was weened on this mindset, and being a fat kid had its definite downs. But now through all the pain I've learned to place fitness above eating, and I'm happily fit and anorexic now. Thus, I find people who call themselves "big-boned" a bit abrasive, especially when they look down on eating disorders or fitness. Also, I don't really like people who think plastic surgery is messing up a girls "natural" beauty when it's the girl's choice to correct her imperfections.
For the people who think I'm shallow, you're just as shallow as me if you care about a personality as much as I value physical beauty, in fact more so because it's easier to shed who you are rather than what you are. I can go to a sports game and be super social, then have dinner with my parents, then be an introvert and play Starcraft for 12 hours, all in one day. Which aspect do you prefer, because I can fake any of them for you, where as I can't really fake what I am unless I commit to surgery or serious physical activity. This makes working out a sort of "achievement," showing that you've committed to something, opposed to money or friends which I could just deceive you about. Judging by a personality is like judging a book by its cover, you need all aspects of the person, not just one.
Maybe I'm just jaded, but don't demean me by labeling me "shallow".....
Reading this, I can't respect you.
First of all, their is a large difference between appearances and personality. The reason why people respect others for their personality rather than their appearances is because their personality is what defines someone. The ability to naturally mold your personality rather than your appearance is on factor in why that person merits respect.
For example, would you respect a lazy person or a hard working person?
However, using your logic, the lazy person could always become a hard working person. Yes, the transition into becoming a hard working person makes them more respectable. Their decision to forsake their laziness and work hard is admirable and deserves respect.
Scenario two: Would you rather respect a ugly person or a pretty person?
Your answer would be probably be the pretty person if you had to pick between the two. Now, what if the ugly person got plastic surgery and now looks very pretty. Even if she still has her ugly personality, you would be more inclined to respect her.
This is why personality determines whether a person merits respect and not appearances.
Yes, I know that you mentioned that the reason you don't respect ugly people is because 99.9% of the time, they have ugly personalities.
First of all, this is extremely stereotypical. Secondly, your logic is extremely fallible. Using this logic, you would not respect elders because they lose their attractiveness to time despite what they have done with their lives.
It is time for you to wake up from your bubble and start thinking for yourself. If you continue your narrow, ignorant ways, don't expect to establish a stable family because 50% of marriages ends in a divorce. I wonder what will happened to your relationship with your wife (under the low circumstances that you'll be able to find one) when she gets old and loses her attractiveness. Then you'll stop respecting her and a relationship without mutual respect cannot last.
Well I can't really control if you respect me, I'm just presenting an arguement against the OP's. The ability to mold and split your personality is the very essence of why it is hard to judge someone on it. That's why in an interview, the company interviewing you will always ask for references, because you're word isn't worth more than another's words are. To be good at interviewing, you need to mold yourself to the other person, to seem like you're likable and a good fit for the job. You don't go into an interview saying "Well, I'm really underqualified for this position, and I smoke weed in my spare time. Oh and I'm a bit of a narcissist."
You would naturally omit parts of yourself that you don't want your employer to see. The exact same thing holds true with talking to girls, or trying to make friends. That's why I value hard work (it's not just beauty, Starcraft achievements garner respect as well because I KNOW how hard it is to obtain, and it's not easily lied about) over words.
I really like your example about elders, because you're right, it's a hole in my reasoning. I partially explain it below the second quote, but I'll go into more detail here. You can't meet everyone, so you have to sift through and take the higher statistic of likely hood [(skinny from gym vs skinny from lypo) (fat from laziness vs fat from disease)]. In the case of elders, or even older people in general, obviously their bodies deteriorate and they can't maintain perfection. I'm not saying you should hate old people because they're ulgy, because you shouldn't hate anyone because they're ugly. Older people become exempt from the process of elimination or classification because they don't apply, so you'll have to talk to all of the older people you can find and make sure they're awesome or not!
On June 27 2011 15:13 Endymion wrote: I can't respect ugly girls, just like I can't respect ugly guys. It's not even a sexual thing, I just don't like ugly people because 99.99% of the time their appearance reflects their personality. That said, I don't respect every attractive person I know, but physical appearances are an initial cut off for me.
Ok after I've been burned at the stake I may as well edit my post. I used to live in a really hostile middle school/high school environment that only cared about physical appearance, not personality or merit. So I was weened on this mindset, and being a fat kid had its definite downs. But now through all the pain I've learned to place fitness above eating, and I'm happily fit and anorexic now. Thus, I find people who call themselves "big-boned" a bit abrasive, especially when they look down on eating disorders or fitness. Also, I don't really like people who think plastic surgery is messing up a girls "natural" beauty when it's the girl's choice to correct her imperfections.
For the people who think I'm shallow, you're just as shallow as me if you care about a personality as much as I value physical beauty, in fact more so because it's easier to shed who you are rather than what you are. I can go to a sports game and be super social, then have dinner with my parents, then be an introvert and play Starcraft for 12 hours, all in one day. Which aspect do you prefer, because I can fake any of them for you, where as I can't really fake what I am unless I commit to surgery or serious physical activity. This makes working out a sort of "achievement," showing that you've committed to something, opposed to money or friends which I could just deceive you about. Judging by a personality is like judging a book by its cover, you need all aspects of the person, not just one.
Maybe I'm just jaded, but don't demean me by labeling me "shallow".....
Oy, difficult where to begin. A lot of what you're saying is very narrow-minded and just furthering the justified views of shallowness. To callously call others shallow because we take into account more than what's physically valued is the cherry on this sundae of melting pettiness and superficiality on your part.
I'm going to ignore your anecdotes and blast from the past because it's just nonsense that reinforced your stereotypical view and sense of "understanding" of people in general, despite how limited and poor it is in the grand scheme of things/society.
But let's halt and read this beauty: Also, I don't really like people who think plastic surgery is messing up a girls "natural" beauty when it's the girl's choice to correct her imperfections.
This poor statement further concludes that you do have a narrow-minded understanding of people. Plastic surgery has legitimate uses, we both know that. What you don't seem to account for is that plastic surgery isn't something people "think is messing up a girl's natural beauty", it just places an importance on a part of them that shouldn't have priority, financial support or be a form of getting over one's insecurities. We all have imperfections, that is what allows one to see a person's perfections. To repair these would be to emphasize these imperfections as something to be insecure about rather than accept that there are key components of you that don't deserve more and better attention (than say the traits and qualities you can improve on).
The true irony here is that you naturally got into shape after being overweight, but then entirely support those who want the easy way into changing themselves without effort. This I find baffling and furthering my conclusions about you
Onward we go: It's faster to judge someone physically and assume their personality than to fake a personality. If I judged you physically before you can come up to me and fake all your traits, guess what's more shallow and easier to perform?
Good try though, that was really cute. I really enjoyed that last throw of the spear. You didn't even justify why ugly people have ugly personalities, you dodged that completely. Did you take note at how, no matter what shape or form you are, your true personality shines in the end.
It's not ironic, you just misunderstand the importance of beauty in terms of classifying people. I believe most people are naturally attracted to beatiful people not because they are sexually stimulated, but because they see the worth in being attractive. Like I said earlier, being attractive implied initiative, where not being attractive does not. So lets throw an example out there. You have your standard girl, she isn't ugly but her older sister is always recognized more because she's a model. The older sister works out every day and cuts meals to maintain her appearance, where as the younger does not. The younger one could be as pretty if she tried, but she doesn't, for whatever reasons (lets say she is just lazy).
So the younger sister decides to get a boob job (fundamentally is useless, a lot of people have issues with their daughters getting them), and all of the men who ignored her for her older sister now flock to her. For a simple 4,000 usd or however much it costs, she efficiently forewent all of her sisters efforts, surpassing her in beauty. Now, is she a better or worse person for this? She's certainly lazier than her sister, but she is more attractive. Place the two in a room together, and a normal man would pick the lazy one over the older one. He has been decieved, he took the girl with the worse personality. Is this wrong? No, it's competition for the older sister to become prettier.
But as a bystander, it's not plausible for me to look at every single human being that I meet and say "Hm, did she get lyposuction? Are those real, or did she just put a lot of effort into working out," so I won't. I'll judge them at face value, and think better of the person thinking that they work out every day. Inversely, I'm forced to do the same thing with ugly people. I'm well aware that there are a lot of people with disorders that force them to be unattractive, or that people don't have the money to get surgery, but how many of them are just lazy? I'm forced to shaft the people who are truly at a disadvantage because of the vast majority who are lazy, in order to maintain my positive outlook on people who work to maintain their image. So here is my apology to all of the awesome non-lazy people who are unattractive, I'm sorry. It's a matter of efficiency, I can't meet every single person and shift through you like sand.
Your last statement is completely incorrect though, because my life is infinitely better now that I've hit the gym. My personality means jack shit, or else my "blast from the past" as you so coldly put it wouldnt' have been as terrible as it was, and I would never be the man that I was today. If my "personality" shone through in the end, then I should have been dating the girl of my dreams on the day of graduation instead of sitting in Tim Hortons eating a bagel, saying "gee, shoulda asked her out." With physical attractiveness comes respect, no matter how cold or retarded it is, that's the world we live in, I'm just the one pointing it out.
tl;dr I'm really not an asshole, and of course I have best friends who aren't attractive.. Stop acting like I want all of the ugly people in the world killed, I don't think being lazy is a mortal sin, it just isn't attractive to me. The blog is titled "attractiveness" after all, not "end all be all attributes of every perfect human"
I understand that I can't change the way you think so I'm not even going to bother. I am going to let time play it's role. I'll hope that one day, you'll realize how meaningless appearance really is. Maybe it is essential for getting ahead in this world but it is detrimental for establishing true character.
We sir, have two opposing points of views and values. One more idealistic and the other more superficial.
I hope that you'll realize one day that you should not always succumb to the values that society imposes on you. It may benefit you temporary but not in the long term. Good luck looking for a lifetime spouse unless your fine with going through the marriage process a couple times.
Honestly, I believe that someone should not try to alter their appearance, whether it be plastic surgery or makeup. This reveals that this person wants people to like them for how they look instead of who they are, which is a good sign of a weak character. (Note: People should always try to stay fit and healthy).
On June 28 2011 03:31 TadH wrote: The guy who said he hates ugly people needs to post a pic of himself ASAP.
I don't think he needs to post anything. We already know he has a shit personality (as evidenced by his hate for people based on their appearance) - if hes put together, ugly, whatever, it doesn't change the fact that most of us find him repulsive and want nothing to do with him.
I just wonder if he applies the same logic and sweeping generalizations to all facets of his life, including race, gender etc. If someone is ugly then he hates them because they are lazy. If someone is African American or Aboriginal Canadian then he should hate them because they are a criminal. You can only be friends and interact with so many people so you should play it safe and screen out the lesser races.
So pathetic and shallow.
Fuck all the other shit. I wanna see if he's ugly.
On June 28 2011 03:31 TadH wrote: The guy who said he hates ugly people needs to post a pic of himself ASAP.
I don't think he needs to post anything. We already know he has a shit personality (as evidenced by his hate for people based on their appearance) - if hes put together, ugly, whatever, it doesn't change the fact that most of us find him repulsive and want nothing to do with him.
I just wonder if he applies the same logic and sweeping generalizations to all facets of his life, including race, gender etc. If someone is ugly then he hates them because they are lazy. If someone is African American or Aboriginal Canadian then he should hate them because they are a criminal. You can only be friends and interact with so many people so you should play it safe and screen out the lesser races.
So pathetic and shallow.
Fuck all the other shit. I wanna see if he's ugly.
Haha, fair enough.
If hes ugly then he is proving his own point right, while being a hypocrite about other things he said.
If he isn't ugly, then he his proving that non-ugly people have shitty personalities.
=.= The guy you're all hating on isn't saying that he hates all ugly people. He's saying that he values people that put effort into improving their lives (as does everyone I'm sure) and that there is a correlation between putting effort into your life and being physically attractive. He's well aware that there are attractive people with shit personalities, and that there are ugly people with great personalities. If given the choice, he would choose to make friends only with people that have great personalities, regardless of their physical appearance. The problem is that it is very difficult to tell what someone's personality is like just from meeting them. Many people can put on fake personalities quite easily, and so in order to really figure out what kind of personality they have, you would have to befriend them and spend tons of time with them. Because you don't have the time to actually do this, you have to rely on other indicators to try and guess the person's personality. The guy is saying that because there is a correlation between a hardworking personality and physical attractiveness (i.e. lazy people tend to be fat), a convenient way to go about finding people with good personalities is to simply befriend mostly attractive people, since they are slightly more likely to be hardworking/other stuff. I really don't see what is so unreasonable about this (not that I'm capable of actually doing it). You miss out on tons of unattractive people with great personalities, but theoretically you are more likely to hit gold. It would be like Harvard only accepting people with 2400 SATs. Sure, they're missing out on tons of smart people, and sure, there are tons of idiots with 2400s, but if you can only choose 1 criterium to filter people by, the pool of people with 2400 SATs is more likely to have smart people. The guy would be shallow if he only cared about people's looks as the end of everything, and did not care about people's personalities at all. He doesn't. He clearly does care about personality, and is merely using appearance as an indicator. Rather than yelling angrily about how shallow and shitty he is, the way to change his mind would be to convince him that there is in fact no correlation between being hardworking and being fit/attractive, which might be kind of tough but totally go for it. I'm pretty sure that if it turned out to be the opposite--that more attractive people actually have shittier personalities--he would only make friends with ugly people (unless he had the time to actually get to know each and every person he meets).
On June 28 2011 05:15 CreamyButter wrote: =.= The guy you're all hating on isn't saying that he hates all ugly people. He's saying that he values people that put effort into improving their lives (as does everyone I'm sure) and that there is a correlation between putting effort into your life and being physically attractive. He's well aware that there are attractive people with shit personalities, and that there are ugly people with great personalities. If given the choice, he would choose to make friends only with people that have great personalities, regardless of their physical appearance. The problem is that it is very difficult to tell what someone's personality is like just from meeting them. Many people can put on fake personalities quite easily, and so in order to really figure out what kind of personality they have, you would have to befriend them and spend tons of time with them. Because you don't have the time to actually do this, you have to rely on other indicators to try and guess the person's personality. The guy is saying that because there is a correlation between a hardworking personality and physical attractiveness (i.e. lazy people tend to be fat), a convenient way to go about finding people with good personalities is to simply befriend mostly attractive people, since they are slightly more likely to be hardworking/other stuff. I really don't see what is so unreasonable about this (not that I'm capable of actually doing it). You miss out on tons of unattractive people with great personalities, but theoretically you are more likely to hit gold. It would be like Harvard only accepting people with 2400 SATs. Sure, they're missing out on tons of smart people, and sure, there are tons of idiots with 2400s, but if you can only choose 1 criterium to filter people by, the pool of people with 2400 SATs is more likely to have smart people. The guy would be shallow if he only cared about people's looks as the end of everything, and did not care about people's personalities at all. He doesn't. He clearly does care about personality, and is merely using appearance as an indicator. Rather than yelling angrily about how shallow and shitty he is, the way to change his mind would be to convince him that there is in fact no correlation between being hardworking and being fit/attractive, which might be kind of tough but totally go for it. I'm pretty sure that if it turned out to be the opposite--that more attractive people actually have shittier personalities--he would only make friends with ugly people (unless he had the time to actually get to know each and every person he meets).
Um, apparently you didn't actually read what the guy wrote?
"I just don't like ugly people because 99.99% of the time their appearance reflects their personality."
Not out of context - taken from his first post. Not only is it wrong (because there isn't only 1 nice fat person for every 10,000 fat people), but he explicitly says that he doesn't like ugly people. He doesn't leave room for liking ugly people that have nice personalities.
On June 27 2011 16:14 NeverGG wrote: I often feel like I'm dismissed immediately by men (especially if I'm in the company of women who are attractive.) and it's hard to get out of the mind-set of 'I'm ugly so there's no point in trying.' Infact at the moment this is my entire mindset. Even if I had the best personality in the world since I'm ugly it doesn't really seem to matter.
I definitely feel as though I'd be treated better (by almost everyone) if I was considered attractive. As it is I have zero redeeming physical qualities, and have been mistaken for a man in the past more than once (which was during my years in university.) It hit my self-confidence so badly that I basically never recovered, and often find it hard to even look at myself in a mirror.
The upside of this is that I can easily have friendships with men without them becoming complicated by relationship issues. Also I'm never subject to sexual harassment problems either. Freed from the potential for romance I have plenty of time to pursue my hobbies, but I'm going to need to plan for my future with the idea of none of the additional benefits of having a partner ^^; (Well except my cat....)
P.S. Not everyone has the money or confidence to 'maintain their physical beauty.' I'd need thousands of dollars worth of surgery to make myself into something considered attractive. I don't even know where to begin - even the most basic things like clothes shopping are a self-conscious nightmare for me. I hate even going into shops, and trying things on is even worse.
People just have bad eyes. I've been mistake for a professor a few times.
On June 28 2011 03:31 TadH wrote: The guy who said he hates ugly people needs to post a pic of himself ASAP.
A quick google finds Endymion looks like this
Since it's art, and not overly obscene, I don't have to say nsfw?
On June 28 2011 03:31 TadH wrote: The guy who said he hates ugly people needs to post a pic of himself ASAP.
I don't think he needs to post anything. We already know he has a shit personality (as evidenced by his hate for people based on their appearance) - if hes put together, ugly, whatever, it doesn't change the fact that most of us find him repulsive and want nothing to do with him.
I just wonder if he applies the same logic and sweeping generalizations to all facets of his life, including race, gender etc. If someone is ugly then he hates them because they are lazy. If someone is African American or Aboriginal Canadian then he should hate them because they are a criminal. You can only be friends and interact with so many people so you should play it safe and screen out the lesser races.
So pathetic and shallow.
Fuck all the other shit. I wanna see if he's ugly.
Haha, fair enough.
If hes ugly then he is proving his own point right, while being a hypocrite about other things he said.
If he isn't ugly, then he his proving that non-ugly people have shitty personalities.
So you're upset at someone making a massive generalization, and proceed to do the same exact thing a sentence later...
The guy was just expressing his opinion, I can tell you I've met him in real life and he's not ugly. He's a good looking guy with a nice personality. While I don't agree with his post I think it's ridiculous how people jump on the TL bandwagon and relentlessly criticize someone.
On June 27 2011 15:13 Endymion wrote: I can't respect ugly girls, just like I can't respect ugly guys. It's not even a sexual thing, I just don't like ugly people because 99.99% of the time their appearance reflects their personality. That said, I don't respect every attractive person I know, but physical appearances are an initial cut off for me.
Ok after I've been burned at the stake I may as well edit my post. I used to live in a really hostile middle school/high school environment that only cared about physical appearance, not personality or merit. So I was weened on this mindset, and being a fat kid had its definite downs. But now through all the pain I've learned to place fitness above eating, and I'm happily fit and anorexic now. Thus, I find people who call themselves "big-boned" a bit abrasive, especially when they look down on eating disorders or fitness. Also, I don't really like people who think plastic surgery is messing up a girls "natural" beauty when it's the girl's choice to correct her imperfections.
For the people who think I'm shallow, you're just as shallow as me if you care about a personality as much as I value physical beauty, in fact more so because it's easier to shed who you are rather than what you are. I can go to a sports game and be super social, then have dinner with my parents, then be an introvert and play Starcraft for 12 hours, all in one day. Which aspect do you prefer, because I can fake any of them for you, where as I can't really fake what I am unless I commit to surgery or serious physical activity. This makes working out a sort of "achievement," showing that you've committed to something, opposed to money or friends which I could just deceive you about. Judging by a personality is like judging a book by its cover, you need all aspects of the person, not just one.
Maybe I'm just jaded, but don't demean me by labeling me "shallow".....
You need some help i know a co-worker of mine that being bullied when he was a kid and now hes just like a little kid in a grown-up man body
On June 28 2011 03:31 TadH wrote: The guy who said he hates ugly people needs to post a pic of himself ASAP.
I don't think he needs to post anything. We already know he has a shit personality (as evidenced by his hate for people based on their appearance) - if hes put together, ugly, whatever, it doesn't change the fact that most of us find him repulsive and want nothing to do with him.
I just wonder if he applies the same logic and sweeping generalizations to all facets of his life, including race, gender etc. If someone is ugly then he hates them because they are lazy. If someone is African American or Aboriginal Canadian then he should hate them because they are a criminal. You can only be friends and interact with so many people so you should play it safe and screen out the lesser races.
So pathetic and shallow.
Fuck all the other shit. I wanna see if he's ugly.
Haha, fair enough.
If hes ugly then he is proving his own point right, while being a hypocrite about other things he said.
If he isn't ugly, then he his proving that non-ugly people have shitty personalities.
So you're upset at someone making a massive generalization, and proceed to do the same exact thing a sentence later...
The guy was just expressing his opinion, I can tell you I've met him in real life and he's not ugly. He's a good looking guy with a nice personality. While I don't agree with his post I think it's ridiculous how people jump on the TL bandwagon and relentlessly criticize someone.
How, exactly, did you expect people to react to "I can't respect ugly girls, just like I can't respect ugly guys. It's not even a sexual thing, I just don't like ugly people because 99.99% of the time their appearance reflects their personality."?
why are people going nuts over that guys statement? its 100% true. I can't change what I look like whenever I want but I can put on any personality I want to fit the company I am currently in very easily. This is why I dont understand why people value personalities over looks so highly ( or say they do) when I have about 50 different personalities I can put on in the blink of an eye.
Dont necessarily agree with the ugly people = terrible people part though
On June 28 2011 03:31 TadH wrote: The guy who said he hates ugly people needs to post a pic of himself ASAP.
I don't think he needs to post anything. We already know he has a shit personality (as evidenced by his hate for people based on their appearance) - if hes put together, ugly, whatever, it doesn't change the fact that most of us find him repulsive and want nothing to do with him.
I just wonder if he applies the same logic and sweeping generalizations to all facets of his life, including race, gender etc. If someone is ugly then he hates them because they are lazy. If someone is African American or Aboriginal Canadian then he should hate them because they are a criminal. You can only be friends and interact with so many people so you should play it safe and screen out the lesser races.
So pathetic and shallow.
Fuck all the other shit. I wanna see if he's ugly.
Haha, fair enough.
If hes ugly then he is proving his own point right, while being a hypocrite about other things he said.
If he isn't ugly, then he his proving that non-ugly people have shitty personalities.
So you're upset at someone making a massive generalization, and proceed to do the same exact thing a sentence later...
The guy was just expressing his opinion, I can tell you I've met him in real life and he's not ugly. He's a good looking guy with a nice personality. While I don't agree with his post I think it's ridiculous how people jump on the TL bandwagon and relentlessly criticize someone.
"Hey yeah, this guy epitomizes everything that is wrong with the vacuous, hedonistic, materialist, and superficial cultures that rampage through North American and East Asian cultures, but he really does have a nice personality."
On June 28 2011 05:15 CreamyButter wrote: =.= The guy you're all hating on isn't saying that he hates all ugly people. He's saying that he values people that put effort into improving their lives (as does everyone I'm sure) and that there is a correlation between putting effort into your life and being physically attractive. He's well aware that there are attractive people with shit personalities, and that there are ugly people with great personalities. If given the choice, he would choose to make friends only with people that have great personalities, regardless of their physical appearance. The problem is that it is very difficult to tell what someone's personality is like just from meeting them. Many people can put on fake personalities quite easily, and so in order to really figure out what kind of personality they have, you would have to befriend them and spend tons of time with them. Because you don't have the time to actually do this, you have to rely on other indicators to try and guess the person's personality. The guy is saying that because there is a correlation between a hardworking personality and physical attractiveness (i.e. lazy people tend to be fat), a convenient way to go about finding people with good personalities is to simply befriend mostly attractive people, since they are slightly more likely to be hardworking/other stuff. I really don't see what is so unreasonable about this (not that I'm capable of actually doing it). You miss out on tons of unattractive people with great personalities, but theoretically you are more likely to hit gold. It would be like Harvard only accepting people with 2400 SATs. Sure, they're missing out on tons of smart people, and sure, there are tons of idiots with 2400s, but if you can only choose 1 criterium to filter people by, the pool of people with 2400 SATs is more likely to have smart people. The guy would be shallow if he only cared about people's looks as the end of everything, and did not care about people's personalities at all. He doesn't. He clearly does care about personality, and is merely using appearance as an indicator. Rather than yelling angrily about how shallow and shitty he is, the way to change his mind would be to convince him that there is in fact no correlation between being hardworking and being fit/attractive, which might be kind of tough but totally go for it. I'm pretty sure that if it turned out to be the opposite--that more attractive people actually have shittier personalities--he would only make friends with ugly people (unless he had the time to actually get to know each and every person he meets).
Nah, he says that since there's no time to get to know everyone he meets he just bases his decisions on looks when he meets a person. All going by good looking -> most likely is doing something and is not lazy, not good looking -> lazy git, no point trying to see if they're different.
Well according to his blog that got bumped, it appears that he is just an immature 18 year old brat, so I wouldn't take what he says too seriously. He's probably too dumb to realize what he said and in his arrogance is actually trying to defend it.
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Personality is only slightly less superficial than physical attractiveness... It isn't really any more controllable than one's appearance, it's just longer lasting. We can call it superficial that someone only thinks about looks, but what we mean is it's dumb because it ignore the other half of compatibility.![[image loading]](http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/91/Girodet_-_Sommeil_Endymion.jpg)
i know a co-worker of mine that being bullied when he was a kid and now hes just like a little kid in a grown-up man body 
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