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 As i have just gotten out of bed the only thing i have cluewise is this: LTT's head slumped, sounding a horn that would not be heard in time -iLoveKTF has a picture of what appears to be soundwaves in his profile which could lead to this if its a clue. And it would be nice if there were more candidates considering we only have two at the moment. | ||
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Mafia will most likely try to get someone into office, so i think for now we should be talking about the candidates and not the lynch. Plus we should have a better idea of who to lynch once more people have gotten involved in the discussion, and then we can decide how to do it. Just quoting this for future reference as i think this its the best connection made so far, and no one seemed to notice it. Don't know if it is worth lynching anyone on though. On May 18 2009 20:32 softer wrote: But we have to start somewhere and get some discussion going. The wording "eerily crepuscular" stood out to me. The cat is a crepuscular animal, and Jayme has a picture of a cat thats definitely eerie in his profile. | ||
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On May 19 2009 01:07 teks wrote: I had a theory that the mafia would communicate and organize beforing deciding who they would nominate for office, and thus if he is mafia, I would think that he wouldn't be the first one to be nominated. This theory is however shattered to pieces if it is like he says, that he didn't check his role before he nominated himself. This also means that the mafia no longer needed to nominate a person for office, perhaps meaning that the two other candidates are green or blue. This is QUITE a longshot though. God, this is quite the puzzle to put together.. I'm probably way off right now :p I don't think him nominating himself before checking his role has that much significance (Spelling?). Because if you look at it it's almost a win-win situation no matter if he gets town or mafia. If he's town and gets into office he will have ensured mafia doesn't get an office position, and will be in a position of use. If he on the other hand gets mafia and is elected, well go figure. All this information is usefull for is that we should probably be suspicious if no more serious candidates come forth. But for now i think we should leave it. | ||
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On May 19 2009 03:00 Shikyo wrote: Okay, at least there's one more person running for office, now. The game has been quite quiet thus far, I wonder if it'll at any point become more active. I think we just need to get started. Many most likely (including me) don't really know what to do and just try to follow the discussions, and come with input when they think they can contribute. With that said i think Shikyo seems like the best choice for mayor so far, so he has my vote. | ||
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On May 19 2009 13:29 Jayme wrote: I'll address this right now. What clues? The only thing I have seen even remotely linked to me is the word "creep" and my pet zergling icon. I don't need to remind you that we have at least 8 players with zerg icons playing this game. You will be rather hard pressed to validate anything based solely on that. The clue pointing towards Jayme has ben quoted and written several times, and it is the following done by softer which i personally think is a pretty good start of day 1 clues. On May 18 2009 20:32 softer wrote: But we have to start somewhere and get some discussion going. The wording "eerily crepuscular" stood out to me. The cat is a crepuscular animal, and Jayme has a picture of a cat thats definitely eerie in his profile. In short crepuscular animal is a animal most active at dawn and dusk like cats, and eerie has something to do with fear. _____________________________________________________________________________ As for the general discussion in the thread i can see i am probably one of those who haven't explained my vote other then with a brief sentence. But at the time i voted Shikyo seemed like the most serious and active candidate, and in general he tried to start some good and contructive discussion going which is always usefull, and the only thing i found a little fishy about him to begin with was his opening post being to serious if that's possible. But seeing how he continued posting i think he is the best chioce for now. About the plans people have come up with, i don't like the medic plan that much, as it simply seems to risky to me. Because i assume the protected and the medic doesn't get the message until the day post goes up, and if the mafia is quick to notice a missed hit, they can claim to have protected the person, who wasn't killed by their hit. There's of course always the chance they have hit a vet but i still think this is to much of a risk, and we should forget that idea for now, as we would also get a medic stuck on protecting another medic leaving the rest of the town open to hits, as mafia will know two medics are protecting eachother. The vigi plan is probably the best way to make sure we get a town circle centered arround a blue, all we have to do is just have the vigi call out his hit, link the clues on the hit to him (If he doesn't hit mafia that is), and we should have a guy, we can trust. There is of course always the chance the mafia will claim to be the vigi, but that would be stupid of them considering they'll then have to argue with another about who the clues point to, and raise a ton of suspicion to themselves. I will come back later with more once i have fully awoken from my slumber, but these are just my general thoughts about what has happened so far. | ||
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Denmark364 Posts
 Anyway congratulations to the elected, and to bad therapy turned out green, but as people have mentioned, he did a crappy job of defending himself. I can see that some people are already discussing the next lynch. I don't think deciding lynching on an inactive here right off the bat is a good idea. Sure they don't contribute anything, but i think we should try and make a connection with the day 2 clues, and try to make it as objective as possible. Because once you have someone suspected, you'll automatically try to connect anything to them, which in the end could make us kill an innocent just because we had a feeling he was mafia. But lets wait and see what happens. As for the medic list i agree that: zeks crate vx70GTOJudgexv teks Should be on it. Don't know who to put in the other spots. | ||
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On May 20 2009 17:25 Pawsom wrote: Agree 100% with this. All this does is put us down likely 2 players, unless we somehow catch a mafia in hiding, which isn't likely without clues. I'm just worried about the mafia ignoring the potential threatening townies(hell some of them may even be mafia) and start mass hitting people. If they pull off 3 hits tonight, we lynch an inactive, and they can pull off 3 tomorrow, thats 8 players down. Our play has to be spot on from that point. You are forgetting we also have two vigi hits, that if used corrctly could lower mafia killing power. But again this require us to get good suspects, so i think for now we should just sit tight and hope for some good clues and medic saves About the mafia ignoring the potential threathening townies: Well you have to remember the uncertainty with the medic list. By giving some people priority over others for protection, mafia will most likely stack kills on the most dangerous on the list or ignore the people on it to begin with. This plays to our advantage since the medics know mafia will most likely ignore the people on the list and if they have a strong gut feeling about a hit protect someone outside the list, and possibly save someone mafia thought was a sure kill. Because as people have mentioned the medic list shouldn't be followed 100% if the medics are sure someone else is going to take a hit. Alright this turned into a pretty weird post, but the point is the medics could use the mind game revolving arround the list to save people outside the list if they have a strong feeling about someone being hit. | ||
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Basically my name can link me to anyone named Esben (Even myself since it's my RL name ), and since there are a lot of people with the name, picking one and trying to link clues with that name just seems a bit weak to me. I know that if you go to wiki and type in Esben he is the first to come up (Checked it when crate brought it up), but i still think that if pyrr were to make a clue like that he would choose a significant Esben (if there is one) and not just whoever came up first in a search (I have never heard of this guy despite being a dane, so i doubt anyone else in this game knows him). On top of that i think the fairy tale link is arround the same level of Darkwing Duck having a whip and teks (Forcing clues onto a person, when you are most likely missing the real point of the clue).But nice to see people putting an effort into clue analysises and finding all these connections. As for the lynch i agree that Jamie is our strongest suspect (He has acted a bit suspicious and have clues linked to him), but i like the idea of having a vigi take him out, and see if we can find a similar strong suspect for the lynch, and maybe nail two mafias in one blow. Since this would make it possible for us to lower the mafia KP for night 3, assuming we suceed with both lynches. It also makes sure that our vigi hits don't go to waste, meaning mafia kills the vigis before they are used. | ||
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On May 21 2009 21:05 vx70GTOJudgexv wrote: My only concern with relying on a vigi hit is if the vigis are inactive, then we have a problem and we'd end up with him (Jayme) running off scott free for a night. I'd rather put him in the lynch and have a vigi go for our second strongest suspect. Didn't really think about the vigis being inactive, but then of course you are absolutely right that we should go for Jayme. The only reason i'd like to see the vigi hit go to Jayme is that our vigis are an extra kp, which we should make sure is used effectively and on strong suspects. Because we can always lynch people, but the vigi kills is a one time thing which the mafia can't affect, and therefore should be used on a strong suspect and not on a weak connection. Plus there's always the chance this extra kp is taken away from us by them dying, so we need to get it used and hopefully take out a few mafia doing so... But of course not lynching Jayme requires us to find another suspect before the day is over which could prove hard to do.. | ||
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As for calling out hits it could help give an idea of who mafia is targetting, to help the medics for the next night. | ||
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On May 21 2009 21:46 teks wrote: There is one more possible reason for only two hits though: Inactivity. This wouldn't surprise me at all seeing how many inactive people we have in this game. If a few mafia were to be inactive and not submit their orders.. you get the picture. The other possibility is - if I understand how the mafia works correctly - lack of organization. Since 6-7 mafia have 3 KP, I'm assuming that means that each target needs to be hit by 2 mafia in order for the kill to happen? So if these 2 mafia spread to two different targets, they basically lose 1 KP? I do agree though that the most likely event is either veteran or medic protection. Out of these two I think a veteran hit is the most plausible, unless one of our medics actually striked gold on selecting target.. Which obviously could happen, but it's hard to do. Doesn't mafia just send in a list of targets and pyrr randomly assigns a mafia to the hits? | ||
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I actually expected Jayme to be red, but i guess i am still to much of a newcommer to mafia to read people properly. He just seemed suspicious to me since he completely ignored the main clues pointed towards. But anyway lets look forward. Something i noted while browsing the forums is as some people has mentioned clazziquai has been strangely silent, and not even voting on day 2. This seems strange to me as he has participated in past mafia games, plus he has been posting in other threads. (I noticed this morning he posted yesterday in the name my dog thread in general). He is on 4999 posts right now so he might be holding onto his 5000th post, but it still seems weird he browses and posts on the forum and doesn't do anything in this game. So either he just doesn't care, or he is trying to hide. Just something i noted, which i think should be remembered in case he comes out of inactivity and doesn't get modkilled. | ||
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