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Mynock
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On May 16 2009 05:05 Qatol wrote: Don't worry about it. You are not the only one who made this mistake. Ver was complaining to me last night that I was starting the game so early in the day. So now it's just gonna start at about 4-5am for us Europeans  | ||
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Mynock
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On May 16 2009 06:39 Scamp wrote: Also please mark the times and dates that the voting period(s) end. I know it's on a set schedule but it's a lot easier if it's right there in bold on the post where the link takes you. My dream is that we can get mods to make us a fancy php-coded timer for all the night and day and voting posts, which the game-running mods can modify easily... It would add and subtract votes automatically, too! Oh, but it's merely a dream... | ||
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Mynock
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I'm announcing my candidacy for office. Either a mayoral or a pardoner spot would do fine. Some people pointed out that running for second is suspicious, but I disagree, and I'm proving it by openly stating so. It's not suspicious at all. It's almost the same position with a few differences, most of them being psychological. First off, the Mayor gets tons more PMs. People tend to communicate with the figurehead more, because they believe that's the most direct approach. It possibly stems from real life experience, where it's all about the PM and not the vice-PM. If you think it through however, it's quite obvious that both Mayor and Pardoner are in the same place, it's just that their abilities are slightly different. So running for either is basically the same, especially if the Town keeps in mind, that it IS THE SAME (as opposed to assuming that Pardoner is somehow "hiding" or staying in the back or whatever). Now onto my reasons to run. To put it simply, I want to play a bit longer. I tend to be targeted early on, and it's no fun going out too soon. Also, I'm green again, so I figured I'll have to snatch a role myself, if Qatol is so greedy with them. Third, I have never been in office before, and it's about time that I did  But the most important thing is, look at the previous game. Even tho I had good guesses and insight and made some good role-spotting, it was ultimately all in vain, as I had no trust from the Town. The Town was absolutely disorganized, and was led in a way that I disagree with. This brings me to my own policies. I disagree with the way of leading the Town which Showtime! has outlined. The game is not about 1-2 players moving behind everyone's back. The Town needs to know all the information (except that which could be used by the Mafia), and that's exactly my policy. Complete transparency. Starting from "need to know" and disclosing information in rare cases is exactly the opposite of that. A good Mayor will want to share as much info as possible, and only if they think it might hurt the Town more than help it, will they resort to a "need to know" basis. About the use of the Pardoner: I absolutely think the role should be used. If only on the first lynch even. Unless there is a very good candidate for the first lynch, I think they should be pardoned. Usually there just isn't enough information about anyone to warrant such a quick lynch. With that in mind, I believe the best people for office are those with the best behavioural-analysis powers. The longer such people can stay alive, and the longer they can provide insight and promote activity, the better for the Town. Ver obviously comes to mind, as well as Ace, but he's not running (which already makes him a tad bit suspicious to me, since his was the first post, so he's obviously active). As for Caller and BC: I think when comparing them to Ver they lack in the qualities I suggested - I'm a strong proponent of behavioural analysis over clue analysis, so I'd rather go with someone who's like-minded there. Personally I will vote for Ver (for the time being), as I believe that with a little communication it will be easy for both of us to figure out where we stand. If he's Town, he can make it rather easy for me to read, if he's Mafia, I feel that I'll be able to sense that soon as well. So that's it basically, I encourage you to try me out in office, and gl hf all | ||
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Mynock
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On May 16 2009 22:03 Showtime! wrote: Predictable as always Mynock! Where did I ever say that's the way I would lead the town? My post addresses two things: - I'm running for Mayor - skills I've used in previous TL Mafia games. In other words, it doesn't address my platform. As Mayor, I will be able to micro-manage our assets accordingly and transparency is the ultimate sacrifice someone has to make in that role. It is detrimental to a Town victory. I'm very familar with the role. I have no intention relying on 1-2 players at all. I always switch up strategies, regardless of role. Mayors have to share everything they got. It forces me to keep no Aces in the hole. You say: Why not? ... - Normally I play on a need to know basis. In other words, I will only share info that is confirmed. You also played like this back in Ace's Mafia World IIRC when u were in the inner Town circle. Most people were just annoyed by irrational calling-outs and no info caused by that play-style, I've pointed it out back then as well. Unless you can suddenly turn your style around, I don't think it's a good way to lead the Town. It really isn't anything against you, it's just that I said it so many times: the way you play causes a LOT of confusion, and it's just not good for Town. I'm already confused as to why you contradict yourself in your previous post :/ Btw, I really think you make good insights, but I also feel that you fail to realise them due to a sloppy way of playing. | ||
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Mynock
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I believe the first lynch, which is essentially a roll of dice, can be pardoned. Unless of course, there is some solid evidence about anyone in particular, but that's rarely the case on Day1. Another idea is to make the first lynch a democratic one. If I'm voted into office and the Town agrees to this idea, I will make a separate thread where everybody can vote for the first day lynch, and I will act upon it. This eliminates those doubts L brought up. Also, there is no problem with the Pardoner pardoning a Mafia. If it's an obvious candidate and the Pardoner uses his skill, then the Town has 2 CONFIRMED Mafia. No, they won't play that move to save themselves a day. It's nothing the Town can't fix the next day with a Double Lynch, unless, how Ace already pointed out, it's towards the end of the game, but by that time, we'll know a lot more about the elected people's allegiance anyway. Also, even tho IDEALLY it's great to have a Medic and a DT in office, REALISTICALLY it won't work. You can't tell people "vote on whoever you think feels like a Medic!", it obviously won't work. Also, it's not in Town's interest to publicly discuss who could be a blue, only who's red. Obviously, the circle is narrowed down for Mafia, so we don't want to give them any hints, right? So, I can only repeat myself and Ace when I say, there is almost no difference between the two office roles. And realistically, we want able people in the office, people who can aid the Town as long as possible. Since Ace also joined the campaign, it'll be interesting to see how things turn out eventually. I'd be comfortable with either Ver or Ace in office, but personally, it's perhaps a bit harder for me to read Ver than Ace Also, where's Plexa, where's Camlito? | ||
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Mynock
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On May 17 2009 08:29 nemY wrote: Ok well... I hate to do this, especially because this is not the way I'd like to earn mayor/pardoner position, but I feel it must be done... folks of Liquidia, I'm one of the two Detectives. Why have I came out and admitted this? Because I feel that my position may have already been compromised. I've received PMs from multiple individuals who seem to think that I may be a blue, and now I'm confirming it. Why am I confirming this? Because if people that have PMed are smart enough to sense that I'm a possible blue then the mafia already knows this and probably has me under their crosshairs. I'll admit, I don't carry the swagger of Ace, possess the intuitiveness of Mynock, and actually in general, I'm a pretty sucky townie. This wouldn't be that big of a deal if I was a townie, but I'm not! All this said I realize this is going to take a lot of faith from the town. I can't be cross-checked after I'm elected, so this is pretty much an all-or-nothing scenario. Either I'm elected, and safe for awhile, or I'm not and subsequently fucked (along with the town). If elected as mayor/pardoner I plan to use the 3 role checks ASAP, because frankly, the town can't afford for this game to go into extra innings. The sooner we've exhausted all possible true leads, the better and as DT I intend to do this. I really didn't want/still don't want to do this, but I feel that it's the best possible way to keep at least one DT safe for now. If in the event that I'm not elected... well c'est la vie :/ Well, gotta hate this kind of play .Several other options also present themselves, and I'd be curious as to who sent u those PMs? Would people who msged nemY come out and say why they put him on blue and why they then have msged him? Altho it's an easy option (a guy with NO platform running for office), there are other options to use this info, like making Mafia waste their hits by putting medic protection on you, etc... How much time before the elections end? | ||
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Mynock
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On May 17 2009 09:17 L wrote: No it isn't. Its incredibly fucking easy. I can already name 3 blue roles from the way people are acting, its pretty transperant. If he's part of the town, he will never pardon. If he is mafia, he will. The only exception will be a mass voteswing from a confirmed mafia which shouldn't happen if people are active. I mean, are you blind or some shit? I've layed this out repeatedly. L, you're wrong on pretty much every account. No, a Town can't vote blues into office because "it's incredibly fucking easy". That's just nonsense, I don't see how you don't understand it. Maybe if you actualy laid out a plan as to how you thought it to work, I can show you where it fails. No, a Mafia won't use the Pardoner role if the Town has a major suspect. If they had Pardoner they won't give it up that easily, besides losing the guy whom the Pardoner saved anyway. The Pardoner will be lynched the next day, the saved target vigied the same night. You're assuming Mafia will send some Rambo into office who will jump into action and fuck Town in every orifice as soon as elected. Again, that's nonsense. 2 Mafias means 33% of all Mafia population, you think the Mafia will sacrifice one third of their members to postpone the Town a day? Seriously? | ||
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Mynock
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On May 17 2009 09:33 L wrote: Look at people's posting histories, determine what role they're likely playing and why they're acting in the way that they are. Extrapolate from there. This is how nearly all of the blues were gutted last game. You can start turn 1. We did. It worked. Are you seriously suggesting an "every Townie for himself" deal here? Great for you that you're such a brilliant mastermind, but I have a feeling that vast majority of Town isn't limping around popping Vicodin all day. Yes, they will. If they can delay a kill and secure the KP they need to end the game, the mafia will pardon. The mafia might even pardon a double innocent lynch in order to drain both double lynches for the cost of a single confirmed target. I've been mafia every single game until this one. I was one of the main strategy organizers during mafia 2, in which there WAS a mafia pardoner. I've been in their position and I know what they do with that position. I was in a Mafia family with our Godfather in office, so I know how that looks like too. You're assuming the pardoner would pardon the first mafia that's targetted. No, I don't. I'm assuming they would lay still and be happy to have a guy in the office, and not compromise it with wild pardoning. I'm assuming a mafia pardoner would pardon either at a moment when doing so would effectively end the game by saving enough KP to give mafia a majority in votes, or by forcing a re-double lynch. By that time the game would end, and by that time, we'd have the pardoner figured out. If not, it's irrelevant, because it's gg if such an action can swing it. Bottom line is, are you seriously suggesting that everyone just votes left and right for whomever they believe is blue? Because if yes, I'd like to ask Town to ignore this proposition completely, and be a bit more organized about it. | ||
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Mynock
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On May 17 2009 08:43 Mynock wrote: Several other options also present themselves, and I'd be curious as to who sent u those PMs? Would people who msged nemY come out and say why they put him on blue and why they then have msged him? On May 17 2009 11:33 Ver wrote: Now Nemy, I want you to list exactly who pm'ed you about being a blue. Then I want those people to confirm it publically. nemY, if you indeed want to help the Town, please do this. Other than that, putting you on Traitor explains a lot of your actions. No platform, causing disturbance, trying to get into office no matter what, possibly luring out DTs... It fits. | ||
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Mynock
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Anyway, I was pulling an all-nighter with my translation stuff here, but enough is enough, I'm off to bed for now | ||
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Mynock
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Saying nothing but voting nemY? WTF? | ||
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Mynock
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Whoever is voting for nemY to be in office is either making a big mistake or is playing into the hands of Mafia on purpose. I agree with Ace, that the first lynch might be well used on nemY. | ||
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Mynock
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On May 17 2009 22:56 Ace wrote: Yo Mynock I was thinking of this little scenario, it's kinda interesting. Mayors and Pardoners can't be figured out by DTs. So surely we expect one of the candidates to be Mafia. Whoever it is must think they have a reasonable shot at winning. They probably thought about this but didn't want to bring it up: All losing candidates should be investigated by a DT. whoa whats that? Yup, if you lose you are getting investigated. So now whoever that mafia candidate is HAS to win if the Town goes forward with this idea. Losing the election means getting found out. So if you weren't winning at first it might be a good idea to get real desperate huh? Absolutely agreed. This also kinda points me to nemY again. If he is indeed elected, there is no way of him ever being proved unless lynched. And how convenient for him to be a DT. A DT can't prove himself with any actions either, but can lead the Town around in many ways. Had he claimed Vigi, he would have to prove himself soon enough. Medic? Same thing. Veteran? It's useless to have him in office, if anything, a Veteran is worth more UNprotected. And if he is indeed DT, it's just a very bad move on his side. | ||
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Mynock
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I'd like to encourage you to either vote for me or Ace. The vote tallies are very close this time, so everything will be decided by 1 or 2 voices tops. Watch out for nemY suddenly getting a couple critical votes in the last minutes. Or anyone else for that matter. | ||
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Mynock
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On May 18 2009 02:58 L wrote: Excuse me? I've posted far more logical and detailed analysis than you have despite you tossing out 2 long posts full of emotionally laden 'whoa oh shit, lets lynch the douchebag' casual text. Your argument has been presented in its entirety before, but you spruced it up and added a bunch of flavor text, remember after all, when ace plays he believes that: So posting the same "it was a dumb move, ergo he is mafia + we need to kill him" content was pretty spot on, but you completely ignored the counter argument. There's probably an entire's page worth of writing on the topic which you ignored. Why would you want to knock Nemy out of office? Well, for one, you're number three. You're the one that directly loses out on an office position. Two: you ver and mynock have supported each other in a circular fashion, then all seemingly dissapeared from the thread. What's more, the vast majority of supporters on your nemy position were people who bandwagoned you/ver/mynock very early without much posting like dreamflower. SUSPICIOUS? Just about as suspicious as someone calling out Plexa, which I agree was a fucking retarded vote. What's more, your rebuttal of my 'nonsense claims' echoes EXACTLY WHAT I'VE BEEN SAYING. Mafia will ONLY reveal pardoner once they can end the game or when the trade off is beyond worth it. 15 player games have far less sacrifice potential than we currently have, especially if the pardoner gets tied up in clue evidence and is going to be a target in a day or two. ONCE THEY DO, however, WE ARE DOWN AN ENTIRE DAY. Your rebuttal of trying to get blues into office is that you believe you're worth more to the town than a blue role, but the problem there, as I stated earlier, is that your personal capital makes you a prime target for a mafia candidacy. What's more; you keep promoting you, ver, and Mynock, which is interesting because you three started out circularly voting for each other. Its very possible, and in my mind probable that there's at least one mafia between the three of you. The most dangerous part to you, however, is that nemY isn't going to win by a landslide at current rates: he's going to take the mafia coveted pardoner spot. Unlike in previous games where the mayor had networking ability, the only thing he has here is a double vote and his target will likely be voted upon by the town anyways, so that's that. That said, you did end up reading 8 pages in an hour and a quarter minutes, seeing as you got up around 4:45 est, right? Maybe you ought to go back and actually read instead of scaremongering. You seem to have gone to sleep around 8pm last night too, which would be around 1.5 pages ahead of where you said you started off. Either you purposely ignored the thread (good mayor work there) or you've been lying. Feel free to provide me more information. Exact times, if you would. So let me interject: if one of you is mafia, which is likely, you'd act exactly how mafia acted in mafia 2, which is exactly how you're acting now. Its what we did before. Its what I'd do if I was mafia. So this is how you play when you're not Red? :/ Accusing people left and right shaking with paranoia and delusions? Good grief, you almost bit poor Incognito's head off when he suggested you might be Mafia. Take it easy. Can you explain to me how if 1 of us 3 is Mafia, we keep supporting each other circularly? The 2 Townies play along coz they feel like losing? Or just 1 Townie? Maybe all 3 of us are Mafia? Let's hear some more well-based accusations from you. Also, one point here to mention. Ace suggested to check those who don't get into office. As it stands right now, he's one of them, and he wasn't going to get into office at the time he suggested it either. If Ace is a Mafia trying to get to power, as it is right now, he'd be busted as soon as the voting is over. So think about it. | ||
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Mynock
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L, to make it a bit more clear, the problem both Ace (I think) and I have here, is that you're dealing with some virtual Mafia game's Day 7, while we're actually trying to address the issues of here and now. And your constant paranoia and shouting does get a bit tiresome. I understand your position and your concerns, but I just don't feel they're as valid and of such high priority to deal with them extensively. That aside, there is one point I agree with you on, and that is the upstart of a Mafia Mayor as quickly as possible. However, out of the leading candidates, that only applies to Ver. I have been wondering myself where Ver could have gone, because he's made virtually no input after his initial campaining and a brief cameo after nemY RCed (granted, his campaigning put him in a comfortable spot, but still...). If Ver is out there and active, I'd like to hear his take on this matter. | ||
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Mynock
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On May 18 2009 04:06 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Guys just mentioning this for well why not. Why are we voting mynock? I mean period? In every game I have played with him/hosted. He has never come off as someone I would want to follow. Ace plays a similar style (not exact but they have similar ways of dealing with things) that I wouldnt want to follow either, but he has way way way more experience so would be a better candidate over mynock in that sense, but seriously, we want someone to be elected with pretty well no leadership experience(see last game, he was part of malongos fun pals). The way i see it, Ver is in, showtime, caller and myself although would make good leaders obviously aren't getting the position, so that leaves Ace, mynock, and nemy for the other slot? fuck, give it to ace of the 3, then med protect nemy. Mynock has yet to seriously prove himself in my eyes to deserve that slot, and again YOU ALL FLAMED ME for wanting pardoner, YOU ALL FLAMED NEMY for wanting pardoner, but its ok for mynock, thats called bullshit. I'm the one who said it's perfectly OK to run for Pardoner, and that it's not at all suspicious that you did it either | ||
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Mynock
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Ver disappeared (no feedback whatsoever, he's essentially running on his name alone now). Ace is always a solid vote (good player, and there's only 1/5 chance he's mafia to begin with even before the roles are given out). I'm active and trying to react to whatever comes up. I stated previously that I'm comfortable with Ace or Ver in office as well (or both), but Ver's behaviour has changed since then and that makes me a little uneasy. So I'd like you to reconsider the things I've said again. I'm content with any office position (I didn't specifically ask for Pardonner, let's not mix things up), I just said that this game the two roles are pretty much the same (and no, L's ramblings don't change anything, BC) so I'd be glad with any. I want to make more this game than in certain others, and I feel I can, but I need room to do it. That comfy office will have room enough! Sure, nemY being a DT would be nice (even then, good PLAYERS > good ROLES), but let's stop for a second and realise that nemY is fishy as fuck. And his play does not warrant any kind of trust at all. So ideally, I'd like to enter office and try to be as useful as I can so I'd like you to vote for me, or alternatively, at least don't vote nemY in. | ||
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Mynock
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OK, Ver just posted finally, let's read | ||
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Mynock
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On May 18 2009 08:42 Ver wrote: I will update this regularly so the town can have a guide as to who I think is innocent and guilty. Mafia list: Ace 95% mrbabyhands 92% Mynock 90% MTF 80% L 78% Infinity21 70% Traitor: Nemy 90% Innocents list: Caller 97% BC 93% Malongo 85% Tricode 84% Lucaswoj 83% Incognito 80% Fusionsdf 77% Denied. I think BC is very fishy. L is almost certainly innocent. Either LucasWoJ or Malongo are fishy. Incognito is fishy. I also think the Mafia isn't acting too organized this time, or at least aren't rowing for office as hard. The reason? You. I wasn't really impressed by your post Ver. Neither am I impressed by that list, but it will prove useful. There are way too many assesments I disagree with on there, and knowing my own position I can assume I'll be more correct here. I'll agree with nemY, Tricode and Infinity tho. That's about it. Way too many differences for my liking. I don't quite understand why the difference would be so strong though. Would we be looking at the same picture and see completely different things? Not likely if you're innocent. But what bugs me most is the way you play it now, which is almost identical to you being called out last game, and responding with a huge post. And suddenly you have a change of heart and want both Ace and me out? That's not confusing at all! | ||
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