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Holyknight_127
Profile Joined July 2007
United States82 Posts
March 29 2009 18:26 GMT
#1
how do u stop a super big gol army with like 3 tanks in it and 2 vessels with mass muta ling? (stupid irradiate)
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Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
March 29 2009 18:29 GMT
#2
uh, you don't
or you get dark swarm

but mainly you don't
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
March 29 2009 18:29 GMT
#3
just send ur mutas into his base over and over
he can't attack u and defend without splitting his army
APurpleCow
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States1372 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-29 18:32:02
March 29 2009 18:31 GMT
#4
Vessels are the main reason why I really don't like mutaling vs mech, and I'm really puzzled why we don't see it in progames. I don't know what to say other than go hydra =/
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17921 Posts
March 29 2009 18:35 GMT
#5
If he's really light on tanks go a mix of muta hydra ling and flank with your mutas from the back or something. Key to winning is a nice mix of the above units though you can swarm also
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fusionsdf
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada15390 Posts
March 29 2009 18:37 GMT
#6
hydras will get destroyed by mass tanks even with swarm. You have to adapt your composition to his.

If he has more goliaths, you have more hydras. If he has more tanks, you have more muta. If he has vessels....get scourge? not much you can do since it wont wont affect his tank numbers that much
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1349
Profile Joined December 2008
United States3 Posts
March 29 2009 18:43 GMT
#7
[Audio]Stopping Mech as Zerg by Day[9]
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=85543

It's also transcribed there if you feel like reading rather than listening.
EscPlan9
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States2777 Posts
March 29 2009 18:50 GMT
#8
this is one of the weirdest questions...

How do I beat X unit composition with Y unit composition?

It reminds me of a thread a while ago where someone asked how to react to cheese when he doesn't scout until after building the Cybernetics Core.
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BruceLee6783
Profile Joined March 2007
United States196 Posts
March 29 2009 18:52 GMT
#9
Metal tends to be very gas intensive. Vessel clouds shouldn't be a problem if you're doing everything else right.
You have enemies? Good. It means you stood up for something.
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17921 Posts
March 29 2009 18:54 GMT
#10
On March 30 2009 03:50 EscPlan9 wrote:
this is one of the weirdest questions...

How do I beat X unit composition with Y unit composition?

It reminds me of a thread a while ago where someone asked how to react to cheese when he doesn't scout until after building the Cybernetics Core.

rofl i like reading that thread sometimes

"OMG I NEED 8 MINS OR MY BUILD BE LATED CUS I DONT GET NUFF MINS LESS I SCOUT AFTER CORE N LOSE 2 CHEESE HOW DO I DO THIS WHEN I GET 2ND GATE B4 GOON AND GOT NO ZEALOTS!!!!"

such a bad thread
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APurpleCow
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States1372 Posts
March 29 2009 18:57 GMT
#11
On March 30 2009 03:37 fusionsdf wrote:
hydras will get destroyed by mass tanks even with swarm. You have to adapt your composition to his.

If he has more goliaths, you have more hydras. If he has more tanks, you have more muta. If he has vessels....get scourge? not much you can do since it wont wont affect his tank numbers that much


I don't think you understand. Even with only 3 vessels, a Terran can put a lot of money into tanks and still counter a very muta heavy Zerg.
fusionsdf
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada15390 Posts
March 29 2009 19:11 GMT
#12
thats pretty much exactly what I said. And it directly contradicts your previous post that hydralisks are the solution
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APurpleCow
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States1372 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-29 19:14:56
March 29 2009 19:14 GMT
#13
On March 30 2009 04:11 fusionsdf wrote:
thats pretty much exactly what I said. And it directly contradicts your previous post that hydralisks are the solution


No, you said, "if he has more tanks, then you make more muta."

What I was trying to say was that even if he does have more tanks, he can heavily skimp on Goliaths and just get 3 vessels and still kill your Muta.

I'm not very good and I'm even worse vs mech, so maybe I'm wrong, but that's always how it happens when I play ZvT and when I play TvZ.
DrTJEckleburg
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States1080 Posts
March 29 2009 19:23 GMT
#14
I hate getting vessels when going mech TvZ, any vessel you should be happy to see since every 2 vessels = 8 goliaths or 4 tanks 1 goliath...
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koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
March 29 2009 19:29 GMT
#15
You don't go mutaling against mech; it's a terrible unit composition.
sixghost
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States2096 Posts
March 29 2009 20:23 GMT
#16
On March 30 2009 04:14 APurpleCow wrote:
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On March 30 2009 04:11 fusionsdf wrote:
thats pretty much exactly what I said. And it directly contradicts your previous post that hydralisks are the solution


No, you said, "if he has more tanks, then you make more muta."

What I was trying to say was that even if he does have more tanks, he can heavily skimp on Goliaths and just get 3 vessels and still kill your Muta.

I'm not very good and I'm even worse vs mech, so maybe I'm wrong, but that's always how it happens when I play ZvT and when I play TvZ.

Vessels arent that big of a threat vs Muta when you are playing against mech. Irradiate sucks vs mutas when they arent stacked.
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ZerG~LegenD
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Sweden1179 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-29 20:43:41
March 29 2009 20:43 GMT
#17
I had a run-in with a guy who combined metal with vessels earlier today. Have a look if you want. It's played on B-.

I think Vessels are slightly worse than Valkyries when it comes to countering mutas. However, they are useful vs defilers in the late game.
Even a broken clock is right twice a day
inertinept
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Bangladesh1195 Posts
March 29 2009 20:44 GMT
#18
if you have muta ling vs gol/vessel you didnt scout well.

scout better. rofl.
With a gust of wind, perhaps.
hooktits
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States972 Posts
March 29 2009 21:10 GMT
#19
what you do is just run him over before he gets all that stuff.
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w3jjjj
Profile Joined April 2007
United States760 Posts
March 29 2009 21:18 GMT
#20
On March 30 2009 05:43 ZerG~LegenD wrote:
I had a run-in with a guy who combined metal with vessels earlier today. Have a look if you want. It's played on B-.

I think Vessels are slightly worse than Valkyries when it comes to countering mutas. However, they are useful vs defilers in the late game.


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A question: I was theorycrafting with a T friend about the vaibility of mass tank/valkyrie with 1 group of goliath support, and we concluded that mass muta/scourge would be the correct counter, but we are not sure of the effectiveness of air +1 attack for valks, what do you think?
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