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Hey I was wondering if anyone else experienced the same problems I had with the red dot from a nuclear launch in BW. I have a fairly common color blindness to areas of the red/green spectrum which makes it a lot harder to see the red dot when the nuke is placed on something green. Although the dot pulses I usually need to make a few passes before I can see it. In BW this was not a big concern to me because nukes were rarely ever used. However it seems nuke use is encouraged in SC2 which makes this a potential problem for anyone that shares my condition.
If there are others out there who know what I am talking about I would ask that you speak up so that Blizzard might change the color of the dot or make it easier to see somehow. Maybe make the dot bigger as the nuke gets closer to landing? Nukes are already buffed with double damage and a ghost that can cloak and has more than double the HP of the original ghost. With all these factors I feel I would be at a serious disadvantage against nukes since I could only stop them 1/5 times in BW. This new SC2 build will basically guarantee a successful nuke everytime on people that share my degree of color blindness.
That being said, the purpose of this thread is to find out if I am in a very small minority of players who should just suck it up or if we are a significant percentage of players who are worth a small change in the nuke dot design.
Thanks for reading
EDIT* Keep in mind there are different degrees of color blindness. Also that no one is asking that the nuke mechanics be rebuilt, just a simple color change or toggle switch for the color would be perfect. The point of this post is to see if a significant amount of players are actually affected to justify the change.
Also here is something to think about, what if your favorite player let it be Boxer, Savior, Reach, Jangbi or whoever is partially colorblind in the red green spectrum? What if SC2 became big in South Korea and you watched your favorite progamer lose a bunch of matches just because they have trouble seeing the red dot? Yes this wasn't a problem in BW, but nukes were rarely used. The truth is it is VERY possible that one of the big name players could be at least partially colorblind. I know there might be some people who will say "tough luck", but I feel having a toggled dot color would not be that much trouble. I could be wrong because I am a chemical engineer and not a game designer.
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the nukes weren't buffed.. infact they were nerfed (less damage, bigger dot), but the ghost became more accessible.
interesting problem what you have
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I thought the nuke damage was sort of increased, 800 damage no matter what? And the dot is only bigger for the person doing the nuking. The nukee only sees the same tiny dot from BW.
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I heard that ultras can survive a nuke .. hmm I dont know then
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You're a small minority
Blind people have trouble seeing the dot too.
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Yeah, i cant say more then: thats what beeing less able really means. We can't do anything about it.
Maybe implement a color blindness check. If you have color blindness the red dot becomes a slightly larger circle. Maybe we could make cloaked units visible. I guess the colorblind have trouble seeing those too right?
+ Show Spoiler +tbh i think everybody has problems with seeing the nuke dot. its small.
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On March 21 2009 02:50 wo0py wrote:
Yeah, i cant say more then: thats what beeing less able really means. We can't do anything about it.
I hope this isn't your general attitude towards disabilities. In this case I'm pretty confident we CAN do something abut it, and without affecting the difficulty for the general playing population.
OP, you have Red/Green colour blindness right? Would it help if you could choose the colour of the dot?
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From what I know they made alot of changes in WoW to make it better for colorblind people, incl Rogues Combo points and DK's Runes. (for people who know what I talk about)
So I trust blizzard even if makes the game you hardly see the dot even if you focus on it, they will change the animation so you are able to see it a bit better.
But just FYI, it's pretty hard to see the dot in general for all by just scouting over, so if you can see the dot when you focus on stop, i doubt they will change it though.
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My friend has this problem too, he can never find the nuke dot lol.
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On March 21 2009 02:31 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:You're a small minority Blind people have trouble seeing the dot too.
are you dumb
you're dumb
there's more colorblind people than there are mac users
yeah, let's not make a mac version of the game
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I'm sorry but I lack the hand eye cordination (ability) to clone 12 scourge on 6 vessels in under 2 seconds. Can we make broodwar slower so I can compete...
Its the same thing, people with bad vision, bad cordination, color problems, hearing problems, nervous problems, mental problems, missing arms, lazy eyes, back problems and of course mental retardations are going to have trouble in all kinds of things, let alone video games.
That said if all this would require is changing the HUE of the nuke I think its something blizzard should do. If it involves having a non-red nuke beem, then tough luck.
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Sweden33719 Posts
There's really no reason why you couldn't just include an option to change the nuke colour to.. purple or whatever (trying to think of a colour that doesn't clash with maps, ie white would suck on snow maps) ;o
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On March 21 2009 05:11 FrozenArbiter wrote:
There's really no reason why you couldn't just include an option to change the nuke colour to.. purple or whatever (trying to think of a colour that doesn't clash with maps, ie white would suck on snow maps) ;o
It sounds like it would be a good idea, but then for everyone else it would be quite easy to find nukes. If it is snow terrain, you pick a red dot, if it is magma, you pick yellow, if it is jungle, you pick white or something. I haven't been following the changes of nukes very much but if they are just as easy, or easier to see than in SC:BW than this feature would make avoiding nukes too easy IMO.
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Sweden33719 Posts
.. How much easier a colour to spot can you find than red? Red contrasts with nearly every tile-set for us fortunate enough not to be colour blind -.,-
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Well what the hell, changing the color makes it too easy to spot?
Why do you think its flaming RED and huge already?
And how can you compare a physical impairment with your ineptitude due to lack of practice attackzerg.
asdf 
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Yeah this is a legitimate gripe. The color of the dot should be modifiable to accommodate colorblind players. It could be changed to yellow or blue. It's pretty sad that a lot of people are so rigid in this thread =[
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On March 21 2009 04:50 JeeJee wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2009 02:31 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:You're a small minority Blind people have trouble seeing the dot too. are you dumbyou're dumb there's more colorblind people than there are mac users yeah, let's not make a mac version of the game
but not everyone who's color blind or has a mac plays BW either. dumb argument.
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should be a toggle to purple. solves the problem for red/green colorblind people, but purple is harder to see for non-colorblind people. simple enough and no potential advantage from it
also to a big extent I agree with Attackzerg.
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On March 21 2009 02:31 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:You're a small minority Blind people have trouble seeing the dot too.
Actually roughly 10% of the gamer population are colour blind, you could just as well say that the US players are a small minority and therefore you shouldn't have any dedicated Blizzard servers since you don't got any pro players anyway and therefore don't need the ping etc.
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A solution that works for everyone, would be to make the color of the dot be a hue-offset from it's background. Blue dots on yellow background, purple dots on green background.. and black or white dot on silver backgrounds or something along those lines. That means it might be a different color from the one time to the other, making it more difficult to recognize, but there will be a guaranteed contrast. (And the visibility can be balanced still through blinking rate/waveform and size.)
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