TL Mafia 3 [Night 5]

On October 27 2008 07:15 Falcynn wrote:
Damn it don't give them ideas.

(well unless I end up getting a mafia position...in which case thanks in advance )

On November 03 2008 01:06 Ace wrote:


to clarify my previous post:

We can't do this. If the mafia know we would lynch the person the DT accuses first, they'll obviously false claim and get the innocent Vet/Jack lynched amd sac themselves for the profit.

If mafia know the DT is going to be lynched anyway, they will hesitate to false claim because the guy would flip red, and the accused is most likely legit so he died for nothing. We have to make sure everyone knows the DT WILL be lynched proactively.

On November 03 2008 06:40 decafchicken wrote:
I just got back to school, to find out i'm a prime mafia suspect lol.

As aforementioned, there were coffee clues before in the previous game when i was a jack, not a mafia. Also seems like way too obvious a clue to drop compared to the previous clues, especially on day1. Then again my opinion is a bit biased, eh? I'd say to have a DT check me out, but that wouldn't be very helpful since how could we trust the DT till after he's lynched/murdered?

Anyways, im gonna try to catch up on the rest of the thread.

On November 03 2008 06:44 ~OpZ~ wrote:

We could always allow the DT to role check two people....Lynch the first, if he's mafia, let'em go check another, then lynch the DT....See if he's blue then and if his checks can be trusted....ya'dig?

On November 03 2008 11:24 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
After reading through the last insane amount of pages since this morning, i do like bumatlarges idea provided we can get a detective to prove his role to an innocent person he finds to use as a mouth. There giving a legit list that townie could use to update the rest of us would be insanely informative, as if that townie died to mafia hands, chances are the list is legit, or if he is lynched and turned up green his list is good.

Issue being, how do you prove who's legit.
I have an idea which would kinda work possibly.
First day of voting, rather than abstain, we pick two inactives and vote.
numbers 1-26 vote for suspect 1
numbers 27-50 vote for suspect 2

now we take the numbers on our main list and number our detectives 1-3 based on who appears first on the list (ie they would know their number, no one else would)

D1 and D2 checks how many mafia voted on list one, and D3 and possibly a jack checks the role of someone the town nominates to be safe. If that person is a blue or green, D3 says nothing, then D1 and D2 PM their lists to the safe person. This would give the townie or blue a two identical lists, which would show their innocence as detectives, which gives one person with the knowledge of two roles, and a third person who can then later admit his role as well, giving one person control of three detectives.

Note: issue relies on person living through first night, and b) if people speak out against you to prevent this from happening, in the case someone speaks out against you saying your a mafia, we lynch the accuser, and if he turns up green or blue we lynch the person he accused.

With all this said and done, it means we as a town, have a support per se, medics know one person they can protect, and then they need just prove they are who they are, same with vig's and jacks. Just means we have to keep that one person alive briefly, as the idea is once you have that one support structure, that group gets pulled together, not needing the one dummy head any longer, and you then change leadership to a veteran.

I hope it makes sense, and yes i know there are some sketchy bits in there, but just throwing the idea out

On November 03 2008 13:52 Alventenie wrote:
I myself think we should hold off lynching folca until tomorrow. Lynching him today means hes dead for sure, waiting until tomorrow means the mafia either:

A) kill him, to make sure he doesn't use any more abilities, or

B) let him live, trying to cast suspicion on him making him seem fake.

Instead we should try to find another mafia through the clues tonight. Once we lynch them (I am voting for decaf), tomorrow we lynch folca (if he is still alive, i believe he will be if we dont lynch him), that way he can use another ability tomorrow. If he turns blue, we vigi Ace so no one can save him, and with luck, drop the mafia kill count to 4 by tomorrow night.

You guys are really charging into this without thinking of your options. Folca pretty much is sacrificing himself, but at least use him for as much as possible. By the town killing him tonight, we give the mafia an extra kill tonight that they wont waste, and it means we have more time to look for other mafia. Lynching him now would be foolish, wasting his potential where we could chance getting a mafia on day 1, not a blue.

I vote for decafchicken

ps. I believe midnightgladius and jimtudor are people we need to watch for. Midnight for his sig + extremely quick to lynch folca without considering the options. I also think Jimtudor should be watched due to that fact that he is almost certain folca is legit, even though he wouldn't know that by just reading folca (i believe folca, but i am not certain he is legit, so im using him to get the biggest gain for the town). Townies please reconsider folca's proposition of lynching him tonight. Let him live through the night with no paramedics watching him to see if the mafia truly wish to kill him.

On November 03 2008 13:57 Empyrean wrote:
If we don't lynch Folca, will he have a chance to use his powers again and report them before he dies? If so, then I wouldn't advise lynching Folca. He'll die anyway, so in death he'll be vindicated. If no mafia target him to make him look suspicious, we'll all lynch him anyway. That's why I don't want to vote Folca.

As for who to lynch, I still don't know if we can yet trust Folca (or he could be a mafia roleclaiming DT but Ace is also mafia...this way, Folca gains our trust while the mafia don't lose any killing power, and Folca can direct us to kill someone important later) since he's not dead, so because of this, I wouldn't vote for Ace either.

I'll still stay with what few clues we have and vote to lynch decafchicken.

I vote to lynch decafchicken.

Also, has the town abandoned the Mandalor style plan I suggested earlier? If not, then we should probably coordinate first and second suspects.

Also, when will Chuiu compile the vote list?

On November 03 2008 13:58 RtS)Night[Mare wrote:
i disagree with you alventenine. By lynching folca we gain valuable information. either he's mafia and we have 1 hit or he's blue and we have 2 prime suspects. In the end lynching any other wont give us information until later, and by this lynching we have 2 lists we can start analyzing asap

On November 03 2008 14:09 Jimtudor wrote:


No,
I said it looks to me that he is legit. To me, that's another way of saying imho. Based on logic, it appears why would a mafia do this. He knows he will die first before ace. He dies, turns up red, ace lives. Mafia wasted a life, ace gains even more clout. What? Where's the strategy? But nethertheless, I really hope he turns up red and is just a mafia bluffing.

On November 03 2008 14:21 MidnightGladius wrote:
Folca, why do you keep bringing up my contributions to the site? Chu has never set the precedent of doing that in the previous two games, and there's no reason why he should start now. It would make clue interpretation much too erratic and difficult both for him and us. He would have to read through 10 (+ vigil/jack) posting histories on a regular basis and assume that the town does so as well. Also, clues derived from posts would be very easy to see as red herrings. If a mafia mentioned physics, would it be referencing your blog, Empyrean's schedule that he posted in this thread, Chezinu's mad scientist profile, fanaticist's pool table photo, etc.

Furthermore, there is no reason not to vote for you, given the claims you've made. Mafia's not going to kill you, since that would tip their hand either way and give the town tempo advantage. As is, the most efficient way to go about this would be to lynch you tonight. If you're red, you're red. If you're green, then screw you. And if you're confirmed DT, then town gets a confirmed kill through lynch, with maybe a second from clue analysis of the first night. Letting you get another cycle's worth of information would be nice, but the fast route is the only likely way the town has to reduce kill power, which is our top priority at the moment.

On November 03 2008 14:31 decafchicken wrote:
Reasons not to lynch me:
1) it fucks up the list between ace and folca, which we can use to determine mafia
2) You gain way more by choosing to lynch ace or mafi
3) All you have to go on me is a clue so strong its gotta be a red herring.
4) Empy = mafiascum!

On November 03 2008 14:40 Chuiu wrote:
To answer some questions I saw:

Mafia cannot target each other, it says so in the role description.

Please vote in this thread, there will be no separate vote thread due to the low number of players.

I have made clues based on posts in the past, these are usually the hardest to find so they tend to go unnoticed.

Detectives can use their ability right away, the only class that cannot is Vigilante.

Vote Count:

decafchicken - 4
~OpZ~
Jimtudor
Alventenie
Empyrean

Folca - 7
Ace
MidnightGladius
RtS)Night[Mare
mikeymoo
BloodyC0bbler
Chezinu
Camlito

Ace
HeRoS)Pink
Caller

Abstain
SoleSteeler

Super Drunk (probably made out with a transvestite too)
FakeSteve[TPR]