Right....I just figured I'd post this...because...well...I believe vaccinations are a good thing. Lol...I mean, preventing diseases and basically destroying them, how can you be against that? But apparently this organization is...so I wanted to know how TL.net felt...

http://thinktwice.com/

Poll: Vaccinations: Good or Bad?
(Vote): Good
(Vote): Bad

Edit:

I saw it on some bumper sticker at my friends baby sitter's house when I dropped her kid off...and I was wondering what the site was about...

Yes...I randomly go to websites I see on bumper stickers.

tiffany

3664 Posts

March 16 2008 21:24 GMT

basically, any vaccine carries a certain risk because the purpose of one is to stimulate the immune system in a highly specific manner. this can only be accomplished by subjecting the patient to either the pathogen itself, an attenuated, mutated, or partial version, or the pathogen's DNA. besides the possibility of overstimulating or causing a hyper-allergic reaction, there is a risk that the organisms being used in the vaccine can become re-activated. for example, this was especially common for the smallpox vaccine, in which 1 out of 1000 recipients actually got the disease after receiving the vaccine (off the top of my head).

Ecael

United States6703 Posts

March 16 2008 21:28 GMT

Well, the site really doesn't offer a substantial argument against vaccines in any way from how I read it. While it cites some studies, a fair amount of them are related to vaccination only tangentially...I mean, the effects of a specific vaccine on malnurished children? An rather isolated scenario that the medicine community can work against. Really, unless they have some method of proving that vaccines would actually cause greater harm than good, all that they are achieving is to call attention toward a wantant use of vaccination, which I believe doctors are more than aware of.

In short, vaccinations are good.

EDIT - Yeah, there were concerns of that nature over the smallpox vaccine when the US government began to have production runs of smallpox vaccines made right after 9/11. However, most vaccines with a higher general risk aren't exactly meant for the administration to the public, but a specific sphere of personnels likely to be exposed to it.

Caller

Poland8075 Posts

March 16 2008 22:24 GMT

Vaccinations are good for people, but people should have the right to not have one, UNLESS by doing so they endanger the livelihoods of other people. Like, a tetanus shot vs. a smallpox shot.

dybydx

Canada1764 Posts

March 16 2008 22:32 GMT

vaccination against stuff like small pox is a good thing. vaccination against some minor stuff can b a bad thing.(ie flu)

BlackStar

Netherlands3029 Posts

March 16 2008 22:34 GMT

Yeah, but should parents have the right to reject their children proper medical treatment? The child can't stand up for itself.

I didn't see any reasons why they said it's bad. It's probably a site for religious people. Look at the FAQ.

Ecael

United States6703 Posts

March 16 2008 22:37 GMT

Vaccination for "minor" stuff like flu is vastly more important than vaccination against smallpox, whereas smallpox has a small chance of being unleashed at best, flu is a very real and active threat against the elderly and those with certain conditions.

GrandInquisitor

New York City13113 Posts

March 16 2008 22:42 GMT

I can't believe the kind of stupidity society can create sometimes. First Ron Paul, and now anti-vaccination?

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Slayer91

Ireland23335 Posts

March 16 2008 22:58 GMT

A friend's family has a kid who has autism, they had video's of him doing things he had isn't currently able to do before he some kind of vaccination, (3 in 1 I think) and now he has autism, not saying they are directly related, but putting lots of (weakened) diseases into a fragile child's immune system can't always be good.

BTW: Hasn't the amount of people who have autism much higher than it was before?

Oh, and my cousin also may have autism, and she also took the vaccinations.

EDIT: Yes, I checked the wikipedia page, there is a chart saying that from 1996-2005 the amount of people affected with autism (U.S) has more than quadrupled. Something has to be causing it, right?

adengren

Sweden4 Posts

March 16 2008 23:21 GMT

#10

Reversing vaccine damage

There's a list to some homeopathic clinics and other hocus pocus on that page. So luckily everyone who has got vaccinated can be cured! Halleluja!

Raithed

China7078 Posts

March 16 2008 23:26 GMT

#11

im guessing the only person voting bad is you?

dybydx

Canada1764 Posts

March 16 2008 23:28 GMT

#12

Ecael,

Small pox can kill you, flu generally can not. Of course, small pox is extinct by now, so its not a concern. Last I recall, flu vaccine is only necessary for elderly, children or people with sensitive illnesses.

It is not a necessity for the general masses.

useLess

United States4781 Posts

March 16 2008 23:33 GMT

#13

Of course theyre good. Theyre only bad when people abuse them, or dont finish up on their vaccinations, allowing whatever theyre supposed to protect against mutate and become resistant.

skindzer

Chile5114 Posts

March 16 2008 23:33 GMT

#14

On March 17 2008 07:58 Slayer91 wrote:
A friend's family has a kid who has autism, they had video's of him doing things he had isn't currently able to do before he some kind of vaccination, (3 in 1 I think) and now he has autism, not saying they are directly related, but putting lots of (weakened) diseases into a fragile child's immune system can't always be good.

BTW: Hasn't the amount of people who have autism much higher than it was before?

Oh, and my cousin also may have autism, and she also took the vaccinations.

EDIT: Yes, I checked the wikipedia page, there is a chart saying that from 1996-2005 the amount of people affected with autism (U.S) has more than quadrupled. Something has to be causing it, right?

http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/?cat=36

BlackStar

Netherlands3029 Posts

March 16 2008 23:34 GMT

#15

lol, just logged in to say "Something about pirates and global warming...". Too late.

Ghin

United States2391 Posts

March 16 2008 23:37 GMT

#16

On March 17 2008 07:24 Caller wrote:
Vaccinations are good for people, but people should have the right to not have one, UNLESS by doing so they endanger the livelihoods of other people. Like, a tetanus shot vs. a smallpox shot.

how does not getting one endanger the lives of other people? isnt that what the vaccine is for?

Wizard

Poland5055 Posts

March 16 2008 23:41 GMT

#17

To be against vaccination in this day and age is to be a plain ignorant.

Jibba

United States22883 Posts

March 16 2008 23:49 GMT

#18

Blah blah blah yes it sucks that vaccinations can rarely cause damage and eventually they may lead to virii adaptation, but in the long run vaccines save far more lives than they harm.

Ecael

United States6703 Posts

March 16 2008 23:59 GMT

#19

On March 17 2008 08:28 dybydx wrote:
Ecael,

Small pox can kill you, flu generally can not. Of course, small pox is extinct by now, so its not a concern. Last I recall, flu vaccine is only necessary for elderly, children or people with sensitive illnesses.

It is not a necessity for the general masses.

Then it simply depends on your interpretation of the situation then, given the realistic situation in the practical extinction of smallpox and other exotic diseases, I cannot agree to the concept that the vaccines of these diseases are more important in any way than a flu vaccine. Yes, flu vaccine is only 'necessary' for the listed population (and healthcare providers), but in that it has a demographic at all it far outweights the importance of smallpox vaccines. Thus my disagreement with your careless brushing aside of the basic vaccines like Flu and placing Smallpox before it in goodness.

randombum

United States2378 Posts

March 17 2008 00:04 GMT

#20

Vaccines are good.

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