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Mynock
Profile Joined September 2002
4492 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-03-13 07:44:59
March 13 2008 07:44 GMT
#66
I vote for Dr.Dragoon to be lynched.

Oops, will have to wait 'till Sunday... :/
Mynock
Profile Joined September 2002
4492 Posts
March 13 2008 08:00 GMT
#69
I vote for nemY to be lynched right now, on high suspicion that he must be mafia now since he wasn't the last time around!
Mynock
Profile Joined September 2002
4492 Posts
March 13 2008 16:39 GMT
#102
I honestly think it would be better for all the signed-up people to send a confirmation in. There were quite some inactives last time around as well, and with a lot of people signing up mid-game they might have forgotten all about it (it has been 2-3 weeks already for some).

So I believe some sort of activity confirmation is necessary.

Probably in the form of sending out the roles, and if one does not confirm their acknowledgment of the role within 48 hrs they should be removed and the role given to someone else.

However it's even better to just send a PM to everyone before the game and only leave them in for the role distributions if they reply affirmatively.
Mynock
Profile Joined September 2002
4492 Posts
March 13 2008 21:16 GMT
#128
That probably isn't a very good idea to counter those on the brink of inactiveness tho. They are much more likely to check a huge ass thread where they can find all the info at once, rather than looking for some odd places in blogs or closed threads.
Mynock
Profile Joined September 2002
4492 Posts
March 16 2008 12:06 GMT
#238
Wait till it's a 100 and start!
Mynock
Profile Joined September 2002
4492 Posts
March 18 2008 12:37 GMT
#465
On March 18 2008 17:03 SonuvBob wrote:
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On March 18 2008 16:53 araav wrote:
On March 18 2008 16:36 SonuvBob wrote:
On March 18 2008 15:52 SonuvBob wrote:
I'll vote for anyone who posts all 130 sigs and profiles.

Ok, I voted for araav, as promised.

You should still vote for me though.

In addition to not being a douche, I can read edits. How cool is that?!


That's a wrong approach, Bobbie. If you vote me, you should encourege everybody voting for you to vote for me too.

Now, whoever votes for Sonuv, how good is that your leader has another boss?!

Everybody vote for araav, he's you clever leader

I'm an admin, like Steve. :p

Except I'll be less of a douche! That's the SonuvBob Promise™!

1. I'll be less of a douche than FakeSteve was!
2. I can read edits!
3. I can use HTML. Let's see those mafia scum fight that!
4. Four!

Vote for me! http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=68177



He's already lying! Very suspicious!

Let's see his points:

1 - Debatable! (OK, who am I kidding, that's a valid point)
2 - Liar! You're not a mod, you're a newsposter, you can't read edits!
3 - Irrelevant!
4 - Five!

And you're not an admin! OMG, deceit!
Mynock
Profile Joined September 2002
4492 Posts
March 18 2008 19:11 GMT
#593
On March 19 2008 03:13 Ace wrote:
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On March 19 2008 02:59 Lysithea wrote:
On March 19 2008 02:13 Lysithea wrote:
...

If Empyrean is a DT he could be very valuable as pardoner but it's something about the whole thing that just feels out of place. I'm tempted to vote for him, not for mayor but as pardoner. Wish we could have more campaigning from his side. My question to all of you is: would it be beneficial enough for mafia to even attempt the stunt empyrean is employing? Would it be reasonable? I'm asking cause I'm not sure whether to vote for Empyrean or someone else in the case of me voting for a pardoner spot.

...


Reposting this part from my own post since I really want peoples thoughts on this.


Ok here's my take - it would be a pretty good idea from a Mafia standpoint.

1.) Empryean did very well last game
2.) For some reason, people think the probability of him being Mafia again has changed when it really hasn't
3.) He claims a role that is important and can't be verified right now
4.) Most importantly, it adds confusion to the game

4 is the prime reason that if I were Mafia, it would be a great tool. People trust Empryean, and if another DT comes and investigates him well they'd be hard pressed to prove it - and now the Mafia knows another DT role with nothing else weighing in on their decisions aka an easy kill. Thats an element of confusion that takes away from the main focus, and the easiest way for the Mafia to win is to confuse the Townies.

I'm not saying Empryean is Mafia, but that was a very risky move. There was no point in revealing his alleged role so early in the game. Maybe he's afraid that he'd be killed early and is innocent after all - and if that's the case for someone so smart he should have provided a better angle of campaigning.



I agree.

What really goes against Empyrian here is that since he did well last game this feeble move right now seems like quite a misstep.

Doesn't look right.
Mynock
Profile Joined September 2002
4492 Posts
March 18 2008 22:01 GMT
#661
Empyrian, none of the points you made make any sense. Every further post you make just makes you look more and more suspicious.

I don't see what kind of tactic it is to always enable double lynches and why it is in town's best interest. I don't see how "bodyguard protection is wasted" once mafia will put multiple targets up. In fact, I don't even get it what you want to say :/ Equally like "A detective mayor/pardoner is the best bet for the town. Even more so than a DT mayor."

So a detective mayor is better than a detective mayor? What?
Mynock
Profile Joined September 2002
4492 Posts
March 18 2008 22:05 GMT
#666
I thought so too, but why is he using "/" then? :/ And what does it have to do with his goal? Is he asking for an "other" detective to come out as well?

And all this talk about "a mafia mayor is just as good" is just...
Mynock
Profile Joined September 2002
4492 Posts
March 18 2008 22:09 GMT
#674
Dark Templar? The term DT was used before in this thread several times, always denoting detective. What Dark Templar?

I'm beginning to think now that Empyrean, if not mafia, is a towny saboteur who wants to cause misunderstanding just for fun cause he only got a plain towny or something. Either way, I don't know what to make of all of this yet, but you sure drew a hell of a lot of attention to yourself.
Mynock
Profile Joined September 2002
4492 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-03-18 22:15:24
March 18 2008 22:13 GMT
#680
On March 19 2008 07:11 Empyrean wrote:
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On March 19 2008 07:08 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
On March 19 2008 07:07 Empyrean wrote:
On March 19 2008 07:05 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
On March 19 2008 07:04 Empyrean wrote:
On March 19 2008 07:01 Mynock wrote:
Empyrian, none of the points you made make any sense. Every further post you make just makes you look more and more suspicious.

I don't see what kind of tactic it is to always enable double lynches and why it is in town's best interest. I don't see how "bodyguard protection is wasted" once mafia will put multiple targets up. In fact, I don't even get it what you want to say :/ Equally like "A detective mayor/pardoner is the best bet for the town. Even more so than a DT mayor."

So a detective mayor is better than a detective mayor? What?


1. DT is the dark templar role, which can kill anyone.

2. Enabling double lynches allows for more mafia deaths - lynches are the only way we can kill mafia.

3. I meant to say paramedic. If I'm not mayor/pardoner and a paramedic protects me, the mafia are smart enough to post two hits on me to ensure my death.


Dark Templar role? Is that in the OP?


Suicide Bomber.


Oooh alright. I don't see how a SB mayor could be considered good for town in any case, besides the fact that their role is basically nullified.


It ensures that the mayor is safe from Suicide Bombers if all the bodyguards die - the paramedics will still probably protect the mayor.


The suicide bombers can't kill a mayor, it wouldn't make any sense whatsoever if they could. [edit: and suggesting all the bodyguards would die before is really far fetched]

So either you haven't read the rules at all (don't know the roles, don't know the abilities), or you're doing all this deliberately, or you said something you now want to be unsaid.

Any case, I think it's now in your best interest to step down from the election and let us decide later

Because either you're not serious enough about the task of a mayor or a mafia. Not a good choice any way. Plus you've now made yourself sound suspicious.
Mynock
Profile Joined September 2002
4492 Posts
March 18 2008 22:17 GMT
#686
On March 19 2008 07:14 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
Mynock, part of this stems from irritation over last game, but I think you're making yourself look pretty suspicious by badgering a legitimate mayor candidate.


That's your personal view of course, so be it.

But if a mayor says that it's the best thing for the town if a mayor is a Suicide Bomber (a MAFIA role) then... Well, I rest my case.
Mynock
Profile Joined September 2002
4492 Posts
March 18 2008 22:21 GMT
#691
And Emp, obviously we wouldn't want to lynch you if you're a detective, but as someone already said, pushing your will like that isn't a cool characteristic for a mayor.

Besides, you just basically put it like "oh and btw I'm a detective, kinda an advantage, right?".

So now it's the best interest of the town to have you:

1) Protected (medics please?)
2) Investigated (detectives please?)

Basically now the town has to act and correct the situation because of your own decision. If you're right a DT mayor would of course be swell for town - but if you're not, we have to deal with the situation.
Mynock
Profile Joined September 2002
4492 Posts
March 18 2008 22:25 GMT
#701
On March 19 2008 07:21 Empyrean wrote:
No, the pardoner should use the role when he has enough conviction to believe that the town is falsely lynching.

If there were a mafia pardoner who decides to pardon a mafia member without a "good" reason, the town will suspect him anyway, leading to the revelation of another mafia.

Besides, I can always confirm someone's role.


We're obviously all aware that a detective as mayor would be AWESOME, the problem is just your "coming out" like this, so it forces the town to move radically. (Of course right now the medics really don't have any better targets, just as the detectives, so in the first day I guess it's not a big problem... But still, the Bodyguard Plan sounds good and solid - without too much guessing, too.)
Mynock
Profile Joined September 2002
4492 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-03-20 00:19:53
March 20 2008 00:17 GMT
#1161
I think it's very important that all the detectives know for sure that the mayor is legit. Of course saving up the ability to check a person's role is also important, but the start is of utmost importance. Also, once the mayor is elected everybody should be able to reveal their roles to him. Don't forget that if the mafia tried to claim a role to the mayor, and more than the number of the assigned roles claimed it, the mafia would be quite easy to spot, so I doubt they would try that move.

In fact, another of the downfalls of Empyrean's self-revealing is as follows: While every detective just uses one of their checks to see if the mayor is legit, Empyrean (the only one who claimed he is a detective, and as such we should try to use him to save a role-check), should use his power to check the pardoner instead. He will probably be muted by the saboteur tho, so then one of the hidden detectives will have to waste another role-check on the pardoner, while Empyrean will eventually either be kept mute or dead as soon as a different target arrives.

This would leave us with a mere 3 [edit: oh, plus the 2 from the jack, so it's pretty OK!] role-checks for the rest of the game, but It's still well worth it IMO.
Mynock
Profile Joined September 2002
4492 Posts
March 20 2008 00:46 GMT
#1176
On March 20 2008 09:23 Ghar wrote:
Why do you guys hold the role checks so importantly? 2 role checks limits the use of them significantly. There's no logic in role checking a townie out of a hundred to in case he might be mafia. It's better used to confirm fundamental assumptions, like the mayor really is on your side, and whether if people are fake role checking. The other skills are still very useful.


That's just what I said as well. Altho towards the end of the game I suppose the role-check will become even more important in case there is a case like with Live2Win.

That's because, even though the plan of the role-townies revealing themselves all to the mayor would ensure all the roles are accounted for, if one of the roles doesn't have all the members being active enough it might pose such a problem that imposters might show up and infiltrate the system. Besides, there will always be plenty of townies who will draw suspicion to themselves through irrational behaviour (i.e Empyrean ).
Mynock
Profile Joined September 2002
4492 Posts
March 20 2008 01:49 GMT
#1185
Shallow, will you please stop with the incessant harassments? You have done absolutely nothing else the last 60 pages. And yes, we're all aware you're just "having fun".

Also, probably the best strategy would be for the medics to decide themselves if they want to protect Empyrean or not, this way the mafia will have to guess whether to use up their suicide bomber (and potentially waste him) or just use up some of their killing power (and still not get the kill). Let them guess.
Mynock
Profile Joined September 2002
4492 Posts
March 20 2008 01:52 GMT
#1187
On March 20 2008 10:49 bumatlarge wrote:
Unfortunately, if Empyrean isn't mafia, mafia will kill him. And if Mafia won't kill him then townspeople will.


Let's hope once Ace is in the office the plan works and we'll soon have a mayor who could then coordinate us and see if Emp really is legit.

With a saboteur and a suicide bomber among the mafia tho, Emp is absolutely useless to the town now either way, except we might save a lynch if he is proven innocent. That's about all the use there is.
Mynock
Profile Joined September 2002
4492 Posts
March 20 2008 01:56 GMT
#1191
On March 20 2008 10:51 Yogurt wrote:
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On March 20 2008 08:44 Kau wrote:
Yogurt, instead of waiting for Ace to post, I'd be interested in discussing it with you.


i reread the plan, and for some reason i had in my mind that then the townies would be pm'ing their roles to the bodyguards, but i see he never wrote that

in any case, this wouldn't work because of the massive pool of townies. Yes, it'd be easy to fish out the role claimers, as there are only two or three of each role, but the pool of townies is like 90 something people, which would allow mafia to just put their names in as townies, and it wouldn't help much.

But anyway, I'm curious as to how the plan will continue. So hypothetically lets say Ace is mafia. He gets into "office" releases the names of the bodyguards, and everything seems fine. But if the town thinks he is legit, as he well might be, he garners a huge amount of trust and can sway the lynching votes away from his fellow mafia.

But anyway, even if we do get the bodyguard names, where do we go from there? IF ace is mafia, he could release the names, but just as well kill all the bodyguards the first night. Well great, we lynch him, fine. But now pardoner has no bodyguards, and we're down a mayor.

I dunno I guess someone should be skeptical of this plan


No, you don't realize a vital part of the plan, namely that the detectives use their role-check ability to see if the mayor is mafia or legit. If he is mafia we will know at once, if he's not, also.

Worst case scenario is we lose a detective vs a mafia, best case scenario is we have a solid foundation for the rest of the game.
Mynock
Profile Joined September 2002
4492 Posts
March 20 2008 02:01 GMT
#1193
Bah, another horrible move by Empyrean (assuming he is what he says he is). I was considering the chance that Emp was a townie, in which case what he was doing would have made some sense. First, he could draw the saboteur's ability away from the real roles, second, he might have wasted some of the mafia's killing power or even a suicide bomber.

Now, if he's indeed a townie he's made another crucial mistake, instead of confusing the mafia (and possibly sacrificing himself) he's confusing the town even further.

This is getting really weird now. But for now, I want to hear what others think tho.
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