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Klive5ive
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Klive5ive
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Let's consider our strategy first of all. With that in mind I URGE everyone to make all their voting decisions based upon the clues and not hunches. What last game proved is that people tend to simply pick on those that make the most posts. Do not be drawn in to that trap. Our first task, however, is to vote for someone to be Mayor and make sure he is not Mafia. In light of the circumstances I have voted for Araav. There are 2 reasons for this: 1: He is the oldest and he has sick C++ skills Here we have 2 reasons to vote for him, that are exclusive to the game. That is to say they don't bare any resemblance to tactical play or just mass effort (like randombums massive PM spam). He just happens to be the oldest and be good at programming. 2. Because none of the clues point to him at all. ARAAV stands for Armored Reconnaissance Airborne Assault Vehicle. And his sig is: "Quote : The flower that blooms in adversity is the most rare and beautiful of all." Which is a quote from the Disney film Mulan. I have looked over the first post many times and I see nothing that points to him. Please double check my findings before you vote for him. | ||
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Klive5ive
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On March 18 2008 18:12 aZnvaLiaNce wrote: As for the last two people who posted helping to campaign for araav.......hmmm.....very interesting when araav seems to be campaigning for himself just fine and you two come out of the blue to back him. I won't point fingers yet but I'll keep an eye on you two. I merely want what all Townies want; a Mayor who isn't Mafia. As I said don't be drawn into the trap of suspecting people just because they post. If you find a clue that points to me... fair enough. But there isn't one. The first thing that struck me when reading the Day1 post was the Quentin Tarantino references. I've looked through all of the player's quotes and none of them are Tarantino references. No-one has a name that is obviously Tarantino related either. So I guess that "clue" was a hoax. | ||
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Klive5ive
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Bear in mind if you believe what he says we only need to get him to pardoner status and he will be protected by bodyguards. Empyrean should hopefully get paramedic help on the first night if not. Then all he has to do is find us a lead on a mafioso. If he makes a claim and is then killed by the mafia we will see his role; this will only serve to justify his claims. I think Ghar is our best candidate for Mafia so far. I urge one of the detective to test this link on the first night. Pangolin I really think you are wrong, you said: "Eight people in his way, chances weren't good." =/= "All right, they're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us... they can't get away this time" But you missed the full quote. Ghar's quote refers to this situation: (This is a direct cut-paste from http://www.nevadadailymail.com/blogs/stevemoyer/entry/16036/) "When the Marines were cut off behind enemy lines and the Army had written the 1st Marine Division off as being lost because they were surrounded by 22 enemy divisions. The Marines made it out inflicting the highest casualty ratio on an enemy in history and destroying 7 entire enemy divisions in the process. It generated three versions of a Chesty Puller quote. I'm not sure which is accurate but they are all quotable." One of the quotes is the one in the sig. The whole clue was: Eight people in his way, chances weren't good. He took them anyway. Grabbing Sidewinders arm, he flung him towards the group ahead of him. Sidewinder stumbled forward trying to stop the inevitable. Great, DapperDan thought, as Sidewinder knocked over Mr. Red and Mr. Black. He jumped through the opening towards the door and was almost home free when he was cut off by Mr. Blonde, coming out of nowhere it seemed. He rammed into DapperDan knocking him to the ground. King Brown Snake stepped up to him as DapperDan started getting up. He met him face to face halfway and pushed King Brown Snake out of the way as he proceeded to the door again. He almost made it out until finally someone pumped DapperDan's back full of lead. So it's possible he made it past 7 people before being killed. This should DEFINITELY take Ghar out of the running to be Mayor, regardless of whether he makes sense or not. We CANNOT allow someone to be Mayor when there is even the slightest possibility a clue points to them, in my view this is a pretty decent clue. I urge all who voted for Ghar to change their vote. | ||
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Klive5ive
United Kingdom6056 Posts
1.) Clues and discussions about them 2.) What people post and who they vote for, but more importantly what they DONT post Number 2 is going to help you a lot more than #1 in the long run. I've already got a list of everyone who's posted in this thread, who they voted for, and comments about everyone's thinking patterns. Anyone who followed the last game knows that hunches are exactly what we don't need. The way to win this game is to vote predominately on the decryption of clues. The Mafia would be foolish NOT to run for Mayor. The position in the hands of a mafioso is incredibly powerful. Even if he carried out the "bodyguard plan" a Mafia Mayor would have great power. It is certainly worth trading a single mafia member for. The pardoner position is also very powerful in the wrong hands. Please don't vote for Ghar because the clues may be pointing to him. Also his "detective plan" if he was Mafia would allow him to kill all the Dectectives. I still like Araav's conservative approach the best. We need to wait a bit and have lots of clues to look at before we double lynch. But I don't like his idea of pardoning the first votes. Randombum is also a good voting option because he campaigned before the start of the game. I have no reason to suspect Empyrean is lying and he probably is a detective so he could also be worth a vote. Whoever you vote for, don't let it be Ghar. | ||
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Klive5ive
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On March 19 2008 02:37 Ghar wrote: I wasn't going to speak out in my defense regarding the clues because there's no point interpreting clues at this stage. But this is ridiculous. Did I miss something, or did they change their rationale from 8 directions vs 8 people. to 7 enemy divisions vs 8 people. If you like changing your rationale so much. Maybe because they were marines, means they used guns, and Dapperdan was killed with a gun. So that must mean it links me. Because no one else could be linked to something so unique like the number 8 or guns, or where snakes come from for that matter. You say "their" like we worked together on our analysis, which we clearly didn't. Maybe his source was different to mine? Your argument is nonsensical. Another reason that you shouldn't be Mayor. | ||
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Klive5ive
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On March 19 2008 02:59 Lysithea wrote: Reposting this part from my own post since I really want peoples thoughts on this. Yes it would be beneficial. The Mafia would be silly NOT to attempt a stunt of some kind. In a game this large, sacrificing a Mafia for Mayor is a worthwhile swap. On March 19 2008 02:59 Ace wrote: Klive, honestly you are posting complete horse shit right now. But I won't debate that right now - that only leads to confusion among the Town and takes away from what we need to do right now - vote for a Mayor. Either way, you really have no solid arguments as to why Ghar shouldn't be Mayor. Also, please explain to me how if a Mafia Mayor carries out the BodyGuard plan, he will wield great power. I'm serious, I want to hear it so that we can all analyze the plan in the open and work out any questions or flaws that can be exploited. First of all nice with the insult Ace, really mature. Then you go and contradict yourself " I won't debate that right now" followed by "please explain to me how if a Mafia Mayor carries out the BodyGuard plan, he will wield great power". I will answer the question, even though I think the answer is obvious. Merely because I think people should respond to direct questions for the game to run smoothly. It's most likely you didn't read my post properly, I said: "Even if he carried out the "bodyguard plan" a Mafia Mayor would have great power." I didn't say it would make him more powerful. Then of course being a Mafia he can abuse all his Mayor powers which to reiterate are: Instant Lynch when he is elected. Swinging votes towards townies using his increased voting power. Doubling lynching (he can declare when two townies are most likely to be voted), or he can just not use them at all, which is just as bad. It is probably worth sacrificing one of 20 mafia members JUST to get rid of double lynchings. Only the detectives will know for sure if the Mayor is indeed mafia and if they come out and say so then the Mafia take down at least one of them as well. I stand by my statement that Ghar is not a good choice due to the possible clues pointing to him, and his "detective" strategy. Now I also think Ace is not a good choice. | ||
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Klive5ive
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I'll start by saying I think it is very likely he is a detective. Everyone should be assumed innocent until CLUES or obvious circumstances cast serious doubt over them. The mistake made last time was to assume the people who posted frequently were Mafia, purely because they said things that were silly/didn't make sense. Just because people are stupid or play the game badly doesn't mean they are Mafia. In light of this the best way to go about it in my opinion is to NOT ALLOW HIM TO USE HIS PARDONING POWERS. By that I mean we simply state that he is not allowed to pardon anyone. IF he does, then he will be assumed Mafia and we simply lynch him next round. If enough people agree that this is a good idea we can get the benefits of a possible pardoner-detective without the disadvantages of a mafia-pardoner saving mafia. | ||
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Klive5ive
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Klive5ive
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On March 19 2008 22:23 Artanis[Xp] wrote: The problem with this is that our pardoner powers are now negated, and that the role-blocking mafia will be laughing as Empyrian can't do anything. The pardoner is not a very useful role for the townies. We can't stop the role-blockers from stopping his detective powers anyway, so that point is irrelevant. That is exactly why declaring himself as a detective was such a bad idea. Also presumably a pardoner-detective would have both power blocked by role-blockers. So if he isn't mafia he probably won't be able to pardon anyway. | ||
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Klive5ive
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On March 19 2008 22:43 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Roleblock powers don't stop pardoning, afaik. Only abilities that are PMed to Chuiu can be stopped. And if Empyrian doesn't become pardoner, he'll still likely be protected by a lot of medics. This means one of these two things: A) The mafia wastes a lot of killing power to take out one detective. B) The mafia doesn't bother trying to take out empyrian and simply roleblocks him every turn until they think they can take him out. Now, since the roleblocker doesn't have a target yet, he might as well roleblock empyrian and save the mafia's killing power so they can hit other targets. This is obviously assuming Empyrian is a real detective. If he isn't, we've protected a mafia member where a helpful townie could've been that might now get killed. You could bother to read the original post? Chuiu: "Meaning he tells me this before day starts and I disable that player from using their special role the following day and night." As Pardoner is a role, and his power isn't voting. By applying Chuiu's definition strictly role-blocker should block pardoner. You didn't appear to make a point in your post. Does anyone else agree that we should tell Empyrean if he makes pardoner that he is not to pardon anyone, and enforce our decision through the threat of lynching? It seems to me that that move is beneficial. | ||
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Klive5ive
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On March 20 2008 00:19 ~OpZ~ wrote: Mafia can stop double lynches?!?!?! Lord plz Save Us!! Well not indefinitely. There is only 1 saboteur. And he can only stop one role at a time so it's not that big a deal. Anyway, you still haven't said what you think about my Pardoner suggestion? | ||
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Klive5ive
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On March 20 2008 01:32 Ace wrote: This makes no sense, and I'll explain why. 1.) Saying that Empyrean is likely detective is pointless - no one's roles can be proved 2.) No one should be assumed innocent, or guilty - the only assumption anyone knows at all right now is that they can trust no one if they are a Townie 3.) I agree, just because people play badly or dumb doesn't make them Mafia - but it surely doesn't make them worthy for candidacy of Mayor or Pardoner 4.) No one is accusing anyone of being Mafia right now 5.) Not allow him to use his Pardoning powers? If he gets the role, we cant exactly force him not toby threat of lynching. Anyone who has played this game enough knows that a threat like that can be smashed into pieces if a much bigger disaster hits the Town because people "forget". 1.) He has a 11/13 chance of being a towny (and therefore probably a DT), I consider that decent odds. 2.) Assumed innocent until reasonable doubt is actually a pretty good way to play the game, particularly at the start, and i have played before. 3.) I didn't say he was. 4.) ? 5.) If we managed to get enough people we could. You are implying that you think it's a good idea but hard to enforce, that's why I was trying to urge people to agree to it. I still think that the Pardoner role is dangerous in the hands of the Mafia and a decent way to guard against it would be to petition the Pardoner to let the townie vote stand before the game begins. | ||
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Klive5ive
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On March 21 2008 00:03 fusionsdf wrote: I am glad you dont have control of future lynches. The reasoning for this one was flawed. Lynch because of clues, not posting activity. This was a mistake I totally agree and have said that myself from the start. He should have lynched Ghar in my opinion. | ||
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Klive5ive
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I'm reading it all though, GJ so far. | ||
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On March 29 2008 03:03 araav wrote: as many are sure i am a townie, i would like this be performed against randombum and Ace - both and only you both vote on the same list - the one that will be checked! Ace clearly isn't Mafia. | ||
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