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I have read an interesting article called 'unskilled and unaware of it';
Essentially, one has to be at a
certain threshold of skill just to realize how much one doesn't
know. At the same time, the highest levels of proficiency can often
create a sense of humility as one really gets one's arms around the
vastness of a subject.
In more detail:
People tend to hold overly favorable views of their abilities in many
social and intellectual domains. The authors suggest that this
overestimation occurs, in part, because people who are unskilled in
these domains suffer a dual burden: Not only do these people reach
erroneous conclusions and make unfortunate choices, but their
incompetence robs them of the metacognitive ability to realize it.
Across 4 studies, the authors found that participants scoring in the
bottom quartile on tests of humor, grammar, and logic grossly
overestimated their test performance and ability. Although their test
scores put them in the 12th percentile, they estimated themselves to
be in the 62nd. Several analyses linked this miscalibration to
deficits in metacognitive skill, or the capacity to distinguish
accuracy from error. Paradoxically, improving the skills of
participants, and thus increasing their metacognitive competence,
helped them recognize the limitations of their abilities.
Poll: Do you agree with unskilled people overstimated theirself
(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
The article
I don't agree with this article, because a lot of skilled players are arrogant and in my environment the bigger part of people 'unskilled' in some area is usually humild and low-confindence.
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Bosnia-Herzegovina1381 Posts
I'm skilled enough in Brood War to tell people that I'm unskilled in Brood War.
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I'd have to agree with this article.
To use Brood War as an example, I have a friend who played BW and thought he was amazing. He always told me about how he'd never have any competition, and so I played him one day and he was terrible. He realized that he hadn't seen how good you could actually be.
Edit - Not to say I'm really good or anything, just far better than he was.
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Belgium8305 Posts
of course you'd have to agree with this article, it's only logical
you can't know how badly you suck unless you fully grasp the possible spectrum of achievements
playing sc now makes me realise that although i've considered myself to be decent for years, there were pretty important gameplay things i just didn't comprehend back then and that there are definitely others still eluding my grasp
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On April 11 2007 17:45 to miss the mark wrote:
I'm skilled enough in Brood War to tell people that I'm unskilled in Brood War.
Yeah same here, thats a really good example. The moment you step out of your old self that used to play money maps you suddenly realize how noob you are in the melee world.
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Korea (South)17174 Posts
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There is nothing wrong with being cocky and over confidant in Brood War. I agree with the article in that unskilled people make erroneous and bad choices, and they don't even realize that they do it, and if we are relating this to video games, if you are confidant you will go into the game thinking you can win, and you will try harder to win, and wont be afraid to attack because you think you are better than this person.
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On April 11 2007 17:45 to miss the mark wrote:
I'm skilled enough in Brood War to tell people that I'm unskilled in Brood War.
I was going to add to this, but this just about sums up my thoughts on the subject.
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Dumb people think they know alot. One of the reasons why they are anoying. Ignorance is bliss.
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i disagree, i dont think starcraft is a good comparison to humor, logic, and grammar when being tested. i feel that most statistics/studies are/and can be skewed in many ways. usually when i recieve tests back from my classes i can guess how well i did and im usually close within 5-10% of my actual score. and it doesn't happen often when im outside of that.
i would like to see the test that the people were given it wouldn't be fair to judge unless i knew fully what the testee's were given.
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Sugo_v_ comes to mind as the unskilled overestimation. (Hence the "idra" complex, dumbass macro Pvt'er, think he stomps everyone ez and a total ignorant otherwise.)
Mondragon comes to me as the competent and intelligent choice maker.Although having a winning rec vs draco at some point, he concedes hes better and is rather satisfied. Despite that onset of a limitation, he is still a strong player and probably is relatively happy the way he is in the bw community.
Incontrol is somewhere in the middle. Overall gm and a solid player, but he'll look down on slash_co for being a shitty player and he'll smack anyone who offends him.
People say I have godly micro, but I highly, highly disagree with what they say to avoid getting overestimated and building up a false sense of pride out of thin air. I play better thinking im worse than my opponent(even when they're not), it calms me and gives me that "I have nothing to lose" attitude.
O yeah, people who go on talking thinking their funny when they're not. Pisses me off.
Man, this also reminds me of nIgol, blackdawn, and a whole bunch of east fags. Ugh.
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Fully agree, makes perfect sense.
However, there are exceptions, such as people who are very unskilled and admit their own lack of knowledge, although they cannot comprehend it. Perhaps it depends on character, some people are less arrogant than others. I applies vice-versa I think, with skilled people that are just cocky.
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Who remembers that little asian kid who thought he was better than all the pro gamers and then he got schooled by some US players with every kind of build. He thought he was the best player ever and he lost to rush, fast tech, etc.
edit - His name was AHK-gosu![[image loading]](http://teamliquid.net/staff/Hot_Bid/TLCardGame/ahkgosu.jpg)
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On April 11 2007 17:58 KaasZerg wrote:
Ignorance is bliss.
I salute you.
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On April 11 2007 17:52 .kaz wrote:
There is nothing wrong with being cocky and over confidant in Brood War. I agree with the article in that unskilled people make erroneous and bad choices, and they don't even realize that they do it, and if we are relating this to video games, if you are confidant you will go into the game thinking you can win, and you will try harder to win, and wont be afraid to attack because you think you are better than this person.
Yeah okay, that makes sense.
But this article has nothing to do with that? It's talking about players who think they're better than everyone else because they suck, and have never been exposed to anything better.
I would argue that I'm the best player in my home town at Starcraft (and rather easily, actually) because I've never lost to someone I've known in-person (until the LAN). In fact, they are like 20 APM newbies who I beat in a 4v1 once. Interestingly, every single one of them has told me that they could beat me before actually playing. I don't like to talk much Starcraft in person, so they had no idea how "good/bad" I was. Then after playing me, they realized that they were horribly wrong. Which kind of makes the fact that I think I'm the best player in my town ironic - but unless I lose horribly to someone in-person, I'll keep thinking that. Which is what everyone does, I think. At least I have statistics to back it up -_-;;
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On April 11 2007 17:45 to miss the mark wrote:
I'm skilled enough in Brood War to tell people that I'm unskilled in Brood War.
I too fit into this category.
As well as many other things - I know enough to know that I know relatively very little.
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Korea (South)17174 Posts
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On April 11 2007 18:08 MaSSivE.Attack wrote:
However, there are exceptions, such as people who are very unskilled and admit their own lack of knowledge, although they cannot comprehend it. Perhaps it depends on character, some people are less arrogant than others. I applies vice-versa I think, with skilled people that are just cocky.
I think that once you have realized, through delving far into one subject, such as starcraft, that most subjects have much more to them than meets the eye, you can admit that you are rarely 'good' at anything. I am actually kind of depressed, looking back on all the things I thought I was good at throughout the years and realizing my knowledge on the subjects was most often elementary at best.
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