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sweatpants
Profile Joined April 2006
United States940 Posts
April 11 2007 09:15 GMT
#21
Oversimplification, in my opinion. I believe that one's self perception is a function of social interactions.
Perfect. Plays low-econ, high-econ, plays orthodox, plays funky, plays Mozart, plays Run-DMC. Micro, macro, strategy, management, fundamentals, and balls the size of Brazil. He plays Zerg the way the Xel Naga intended - like a ball of mercury. -HonestTea
Rekrul
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Korea (South)17174 Posts
April 11 2007 09:18 GMT
#22
Madcow

Suncow
why so 진지해?
QuietIdiot
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
7004 Posts
April 11 2007 09:20 GMT
#23
On April 11 2007 18:08 CharlieMurphy wrote:
Who remembers that little asian kid who thought he was better than all the pro gamers and then he got schooled by some US players with every kind of build. He thought he was the best player ever and he lost to rush, fast tech, etc.

edit - His name was AHK-gosu[image loading]

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/information/19696/Ahk-GoSu_vs_Tfeign_Best_of_Three_Game_Report.html
Rekrul
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Korea (South)17174 Posts
April 11 2007 09:27 GMT
#24
On April 11 2007 12:45 exalted wrote:
Don't bother getting recall, its a bad spell.

NOT

Only fcking reason I lose to Rekrul asdfsadf


Only fcking reason man.
why so 진지해?
MaZza[KIS]
Profile Joined December 2005
Australia2110 Posts
April 11 2007 09:53 GMT
#25
I heard this saying once

"Stupid people are those people who are stupid and dont know it; or smart and don't know it

Smart people are those people who are stupid and know it; or smart and know it"

I would say that this pretty much covers the gist of posted article.

I would also like to say that I LOVE reading things like this. And it's no surprise that, amongst starcraft players, we have so many intelligent people ready to share such a wide and interesting amount of information.

Honestly, these kinds of posts are the ONE and only reason I still come to tl and still play starcraft. Props to the BW community and TL.net.
I really wanted a bigger opponent, like Nate Marquardt, or King Neptune, or Zeus, or Zeus and Fedor, or Fedor on Zeus's shoulders, and they can both punch but only Zeus can kick.
LxRogue
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
United States1415 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-04-11 10:08:51
April 11 2007 10:00 GMT
#26
SC is perfect example, i vote yes.

Was this ahk-gosu guy serious?
From that other thread it sounded like he just sucked, alot.
kimseongchan_old
Profile Joined February 2007
Korea (South)149 Posts
April 11 2007 10:06 GMT
#27
very true for the most part
life goes on..
greatmeh
Profile Blog Joined September 2005
Canada1964 Posts
April 11 2007 10:09 GMT
#28
haaha, Lx_Rogue yes AHK-gosu was 100% serious
this is interesting , i somewhat already realized it thou -.-; perhaps this is why newbs stay newb forever.. or why ppl who go to korea seem to lose skill sometimes rather then actually getting better... its all psychological
Coagulation
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States9633 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-04-11 10:13:29
April 11 2007 10:13 GMT
#29
iv noticed this ALOT with people who play guitar.

Ghin
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States2391 Posts
April 11 2007 10:29 GMT
#30
am i the only person who hated the 2 column setup of the article?
Legalize drugs and murder.
sith
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United States2474 Posts
April 11 2007 10:33 GMT
#31
For some reason, this study reminded me of this article, even though they aren't that similar.
evanthebouncy!
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States12796 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-04-11 10:50:53
April 11 2007 10:48 GMT
#32
To do a thing, play a game, overestimate yourself and underestimate yourself doesn't really matter. What does matter is what ever you estimate, it brings out the best in you.
So for instance, if you are cocky and goes 4 pool, your chance of winning is actually quite good if you have some sense of micro. However, if you underestimate yourself and play too scared, your chance of winning is quite bad.
However, overestimate does inpediment your improvement. For you are the king of 4 pool, why should you learn any new strats? You limit your growth because you overestimate your knowledge, and deem yourself that there isn't any more knowledge to learn from.
Underestimate, however, may help you improve. For you see the flaws even in your most confident manuvers. You see the field of knowledge so vast, so with some practice you may attain those additional knowledge and become a better player.

Still, correct estimate's best. No more no less, just what it is and you can put this into your calculations with a small error margin.
Life is run, it is dance, it is fast, passionate and BAM!, you dance and sing and booze while you can for now is the time and time is mine. Smile and laugh when still can for now is the time and soon you die!
EnergyBlast
Profile Joined December 2006
United States61 Posts
April 11 2007 10:52 GMT
#33
On April 11 2007 18:04 QuietIdiot wrote:

People say I have godly micro, but I highly, highly disagree with what they say to avoid getting overestimated and building up a false sense of pride out of thin air. I play better thinking im worse than my opponent(even when they're not), it calms me and gives me that "I have nothing to lose" attitude.

O yeah, people who go on talking thinking their funny when they're not. Pisses me off.

Man, this also reminds me of nIgol, blackdawn, and a whole bunch of east fags. Ugh.


Nice, people think you have godly micro!
Knickknack
Profile Joined February 2004
United States1187 Posts
April 11 2007 10:55 GMT
#34
"the trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt."
Bertrand Russell

"ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge." - Darwin

http://www.damninteresting.com/?p=406

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LosingID8
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
CA10828 Posts
April 11 2007 10:59 GMT
#35
oh my god, that ahk-gosu thread is hiliarious
ModeratorResident K-POP Elitist
Jonoman92
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
United States9104 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-04-11 11:04:43
April 11 2007 11:02 GMT
#36
yeah theres a saying I think,

The more one learns the more one learns they know nothing. or something like that. The less a person knows the more confident they are that they aren't ignorant because they haven't even learned that other things even exist. A great example is people in the middle ages who thought they were the bomb and that they kew everything when even they stuff they "knew" was in fact wrong or at least we beleive it to be... ie: the world isn't flat mideval nubs.
Eatme
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
Switzerland3919 Posts
April 11 2007 11:49 GMT
#37
On the other hand it is nice to know enough or have a certain skill in something at the level that you know you are bad. Since people that are clueless in the area get really impressed.

Also it takes more skill to pose as bad than to pose as good. Well in alot of cases atleast. Thinking in the line of: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=8733
I have the best fucking lawyers in the country including the man they call the Malmis.
LosingID8
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
CA10828 Posts
April 11 2007 11:57 GMT
#38
come to think of it, this is the same idea in martial arts

when you're first starting, you think you're really good. your instructors always encourage you, etc. so by the time you're almost a black belt (ie brown or red belt), you think you are REALLY GOOD.

but then you get your black belt, and your instructor has a talk with you, and he says something along the lines of "those 3-4 years of color belt training was to get your prepared to start actaully learning taekwondo. now that you have your black belt you can finally start. ready to learn taekwondo?"

ah yes, i remember that speech... lol
ModeratorResident K-POP Elitist
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-04-12 02:52:14
April 12 2007 02:50 GMT
#39
this applies to self verified situations. if you had say a 1-249 record wiht the 1 being against a guy who suddenly had a heart attack then there isn't much you can say to make yourself look good.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
IdrA
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States11541 Posts
April 12 2007 02:54 GMT
#40
On April 11 2007 18:04 QuietIdiot wrote:
Sugo_v_ comes to mind as the unskilled overestimation. (Hence the "idra" complex, dumbass macro Pvt'er, think he stomps everyone ez and a total ignorant otherwise.)

idra complex?
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