• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 04:52
CET 09:52
KST 17:52
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Intel X Team Liquid Seoul event: Showmatches and Meet the Pros0[ASL20] Finals Preview: Arrival13TL.net Map Contest #21: Voting10[ASL20] Ro4 Preview: Descent11Team TLMC #5: Winners Announced!3
Community News
Weekly Cups (Oct 20-26): MaxPax, Clem, Creator win42025 RSL Offline Finals Dates + Ticket Sales!9BSL21 Open Qualifiers Week & CONFIRM PARTICIPATION1Crank Gathers Season 2: SC II Pro Teams10Merivale 8 Open - LAN - Stellar Fest4
StarCraft 2
General
RotterdaM "Serral is the GOAT, and it's not close" DreamHack Open 2013 revealed Intel X Team Liquid Seoul event: Showmatches and Meet the Pros Chinese SC2 server to reopen; live all-star event in Hangzhou Weekly Cups (Oct 20-26): MaxPax, Clem, Creator win
Tourneys
Merivale 8 Open - LAN - Stellar Fest Crank Gathers Season 2: SC II Pro Teams 2025 RSL Offline Finals Dates + Ticket Sales! $5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship $3,500 WardiTV Korean Royale S4
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 497 Battle Haredened Mutation # 496 Endless Infection Mutation # 495 Rest In Peace Mutation # 494 Unstable Environment
Brood War
General
Ladder Map Matchup Stats BW General Discussion BSL Team A vs Koreans - Sat-Sun 16:00 CET [ASL20] Ask the mapmakers — Drop your questions BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/
Tourneys
[ASL20] Grand Finals The Casual Games of the Week Thread BSL21 Open Qualifiers Week & CONFIRM PARTICIPATION ASL final tickets help
Strategy
How to stay on top of macro? PvZ map balance Soma's 9 hatch build from ASL Game 2 Current Meta
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread General RTS Discussion Thread Path of Exile Nintendo Switch Thread Dawn of War IV
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion LiquidDota to reintegrate into TL.net
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread SPIRED by.ASL Mafia {211640}
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread YouTube Thread The Chess Thread
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece Korean Music Discussion Series you have seen recently...
Sports
MLB/Baseball 2023 2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 NBA General Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
SC2 Client Relocalization [Change SC2 Language] Linksys AE2500 USB WIFI keeps disconnecting Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
Analysis of the Trump-Lee S…
Peanutsc
Reality "theory" prov…
perfectspheres
The Benefits Of Limited Comm…
TrAiDoS
Our Last Hope in th…
KrillinFromwales
Certified Crazy
Hildegard
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1436 users

unskilled and unaware of it - Page 5

Forum Index > General Forum
Post a Reply
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 All
oddeye
Profile Joined March 2005
Canada716 Posts
April 14 2007 11:18 GMT
#81
On April 14 2007 19:50 Kacas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2007 19:27 gameguard wrote:
On April 12 2007 12:28 Polis wrote:
Can't say that ignorance was good for that bulletball EXTREME inventor:




"so what do you have now?"

"........... I have.... bulletball."

lmfao so funny and sad at the same time T_T



so sad =((


and funny at times
Your soul shall suffer!
QuietIdiot
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
7004 Posts
April 14 2007 11:25 GMT
#82
On April 14 2007 20:18 oddeye wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2007 19:50 Kacas wrote:
On April 13 2007 19:27 gameguard wrote:
On April 12 2007 12:28 Polis wrote:
Can't say that ignorance was good for that bulletball EXTREME inventor:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOOw2yWMSfk



"so what do you have now?"

"........... I have.... bulletball."

lmfao so funny and sad at the same time T_T



so sad =((


and funny at times

I did some research, this guy is for real o_O
http://www.bulletballgames.com/
Sadist
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States7290 Posts
April 14 2007 11:33 GMT
#83
On April 14 2007 20:25 QuietIdiot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2007 20:18 oddeye wrote:
On April 14 2007 19:50 Kacas wrote:
On April 13 2007 19:27 gameguard wrote:
On April 12 2007 12:28 Polis wrote:
Can't say that ignorance was good for that bulletball EXTREME inventor:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOOw2yWMSfk



"so what do you have now?"

"........... I have.... bulletball."

lmfao so funny and sad at the same time T_T



so sad =((


and funny at times

I did some research, this guy is for real o_O
http://www.bulletballgames.com/


ROFL @ Him trying to sell the tables for $399
How do you go from where you are to where you want to be? I think you have to have an enthusiasm for life. You have to have a dream, a goal and you have to be willing to work for it. Jim Valvano
Hollow
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Canada2180 Posts
April 14 2007 11:36 GMT
#84
god.. i feel really bad for this bulletball guy
Hippopotamus
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
1914 Posts
April 14 2007 12:53 GMT
#85
LOL @ the bulletball guy. I don't think the idea is bad, after all the most popular games are very simple but 26 years?! DAMN!
pyrogenetix
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
China5098 Posts
April 15 2007 02:00 GMT
#86
i feel so bad for this guy but he is just really not very healthy in his mind
Yea that looks just like Kang Min... amazing game sense... and uses mind games well, but has the micro of a washed up progamer.
Vin{MBL}
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
5185 Posts
April 15 2007 02:56 GMT
#87
yea i feel really bad for him now...
Loveletter
Profile Joined November 2006
United States543 Posts
April 15 2007 09:43 GMT
#88
Yeah I hear alot of people when they get good become very arrogant and think they are the shit. i do know some that are good but dont really speak highly of themselves they know they are good but just keep it on the low.
DotA 2 - peteyyytran/IRONBRAH add me for inhouse games/pub games
bearnet2001
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Argentina335 Posts
April 15 2007 09:53 GMT
#89
How else would anyone be able to win money at poker? In real life social situations, dealing with someone who thinks they are the shit but aren't is frustrating: in poker, it's a goldmine.
Klogon
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
MURICA15980 Posts
April 15 2007 11:40 GMT
#90
Yeah... I truly pity that guy
daz
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Canada643 Posts
May 31 2009 05:06 GMT
#91
On April 11 2007 17:44 pzeta wrote:
I have read an interesting article called 'unskilled and unaware of it';
Essentially, one has to be at a
certain threshold of skill just to realize how much one doesn't
know. At the same time, the highest levels of proficiency can often
create a sense of humility as one really gets one's arms around the
vastness of a subject.
In more detail:

People tend to hold overly favorable views of their abilities in many
social and intellectual domains. The authors suggest that this
overestimation occurs, in part, because people who are unskilled in
these domains suffer a dual burden: Not only do these people reach
erroneous conclusions and make unfortunate choices, but their
incompetence robs them of the metacognitive ability to realize it.
Across 4 studies, the authors found that participants scoring in the
bottom quartile on tests of humor, grammar, and logic grossly
overestimated their test performance and ability. Although their test
scores put them in the 12th percentile, they estimated themselves to
be in the 62nd. Several analyses linked this miscalibration to
deficits in metacognitive skill, or the capacity to distinguish
accuracy from error. Paradoxically, improving the skills of
participants, and thus increasing their metacognitive competence,
helped them recognize the limitations of their abilities.
[image loading]

Poll: Do you agree with unskilled people overstimated theirself
(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No

The article

I don't agree with this article, because a lot of skilled players are arrogant and in my environment the bigger part of people 'unskilled' in some area is usually humild and low-confindence.


im sure someone posted this already but because i dont have time to read the thread and just in case they didnt:

How can you play starcraft and disagree with this? Bnet is just one giant example of these results. Ask any random shitty newb on bnet and they will all tell you how good they are
Some eat to remember, some smash to forget. 2009msl.com
Psyonic_Reaver
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States4337 Posts
May 31 2009 05:10 GMT
#92
So you brought this post back just to say that? I think everybody pretty much got that impression.
So wait? I'm bad? =(
daz
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Canada643 Posts
May 31 2009 05:15 GMT
#93
oh wow i didnt even realize it was an old post i just got linked to it from another thread. whoops
Some eat to remember, some smash to forget. 2009msl.com
tentaclemonster
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States118 Posts
May 31 2009 05:20 GMT
#94
pretty old concept, of people's level of expertise. roughly:

1: don't know what you don't know
2: know what you don't know
3: know what you know
4: don't know what you know
Yurebis
Profile Joined January 2009
United States1452 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-05-31 23:17:18
May 31 2009 23:16 GMT
#95
I voted no but just because I'm stubborn and won't ever admit being wrong with my predictions.
Oh shit. Old post. Interesting though.
Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.
floor exercise
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Canada5847 Posts
June 01 2009 00:19 GMT
#96
On May 31 2009 14:06 daz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2007 17:44 pzeta wrote:
I have read an interesting article called 'unskilled and unaware of it';
Essentially, one has to be at a
certain threshold of skill just to realize how much one doesn't
know. At the same time, the highest levels of proficiency can often
create a sense of humility as one really gets one's arms around the
vastness of a subject.
In more detail:

People tend to hold overly favorable views of their abilities in many
social and intellectual domains. The authors suggest that this
overestimation occurs, in part, because people who are unskilled in
these domains suffer a dual burden: Not only do these people reach
erroneous conclusions and make unfortunate choices, but their
incompetence robs them of the metacognitive ability to realize it.
Across 4 studies, the authors found that participants scoring in the
bottom quartile on tests of humor, grammar, and logic grossly
overestimated their test performance and ability. Although their test
scores put them in the 12th percentile, they estimated themselves to
be in the 62nd. Several analyses linked this miscalibration to
deficits in metacognitive skill, or the capacity to distinguish
accuracy from error. Paradoxically, improving the skills of
participants, and thus increasing their metacognitive competence,
helped them recognize the limitations of their abilities.
[image loading]

Poll: Do you agree with unskilled people overstimated theirself
(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No

The article

I don't agree with this article, because a lot of skilled players are arrogant and in my environment the bigger part of people 'unskilled' in some area is usually humild and low-confindence.


im sure someone posted this already but because i dont have time to read the thread and just in case they didnt:

How can you play starcraft and disagree with this? Bnet is just one giant example of these results. Ask any random shitty newb on bnet and they will all tell you how good they are


old thread and unaware of it
GeneralStan
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States4789 Posts
June 01 2009 00:28 GMT
#97
On April 11 2007 17:44 OP wrote:
tests of humor.


This is the part that boggles me. How do you test for humor exactly?
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
professorjoak
Profile Joined July 2008
318 Posts
June 01 2009 00:38 GMT
#98
The study refers to people in the bottom 25% of skill, and I agree with it. If you're thinking of specific arrogant people in the Starcraft community, odds are that if you could recognize their name then they aren't in the bottom 25% and the article isn't about them. If you took 25% of anyone who's ever played Starcraft, you'd get a lot of 40apm people who are completely unaware of the Korean leagues who would incorrectly think of themselves as roughly average, which is consistent with the findings of the article.
"The different branches of Arithmetic -- Ambition, Distraction, Uglification, and Derision." --Lewis Carroll
s_side
Profile Joined May 2009
United States700 Posts
June 01 2009 00:46 GMT
#99
On June 01 2009 09:28 GeneralStan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2007 17:44 OP wrote:
tests of humor.


This is the part that boggles me. How do you test for humor exactly?


It's like testing for proper taste in film. Asinine.
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Replay Cast
23:00
Crank Gathers S2: Playoffs D2
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
SortOf 126
Nina 65
StarCraft: Brood War
Hyuk 4919
Flash 2567
Sea 1925
Killer 1224
Bisu 458
Hyun 330
Larva 201
Stork 194
EffOrt 77
Shinee 56
[ Show more ]
ToSsGirL 40
yabsab 20
Sharp 15
Free 11
Sacsri 8
Dota 2
XaKoH 518
NeuroSwarm112
ODPixel64
League of Legends
JimRising 676
Counter-Strike
olofmeister9
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King206
Other Games
summit1g14165
ceh9383
Organizations
Counter-Strike
PGL5087
Other Games
gamesdonequick666
StarCraft: Brood War
UltimateBattle 26
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 15 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH272
• LUISG 11
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• iopq 2
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Jankos1880
• Lourlo804
Upcoming Events
The PondCast
8m
OSC
3h 8m
Harstem vs SKillous
Gerald vs Spirit
Krystianer vs TriGGeR
Cham vs Ryung
CrankTV Team League
4h 8m
Team Liquid vs Team Falcon
Replay Cast
1d 1h
WardiTV Invitational
1d 3h
ByuN vs Spirit
herO vs Solar
MaNa vs Gerald
Rogue vs GuMiho
Epic.LAN
1d 3h
CrankTV Team League
1d 4h
BASILISK vs TBD
Replay Cast
2 days
Epic.LAN
2 days
BSL Team A[vengers]
2 days
Dewalt vs Shine
UltrA vs ZeLoT
[ Show More ]
BSL 21
2 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
3 days
BSL Team A[vengers]
3 days
Cross vs Motive
Sziky vs HiyA
BSL 21
3 days
Wardi Open
4 days
Monday Night Weeklies
4 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

CSL 2025 AUTUMN (S18)
WardiTV TLMC #15
Eternal Conflict S1

Ongoing

BSL 21 Points
BSL 21 Team A
C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 4
SOOP Univ League 2025
CranK Gathers Season 2: SC II Pro Teams
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025

Upcoming

SC4ALL: Brood War
YSL S2
BSL Season 21
SLON Tour Season 2
BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
RSL Offline Finals
WardiTV 2025
RSL Revival: Season 3
Stellar Fest
SC4ALL: StarCraft II
META Madness #9
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026: Closed Qualifier
eXTREMESLAND 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
SL Budapest Major 2025
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.