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oddeye
Profile Joined March 2005
Canada716 Posts
April 14 2007 11:18 GMT
#81
On April 14 2007 19:50 Kacas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2007 19:27 gameguard wrote:
On April 12 2007 12:28 Polis wrote:
Can't say that ignorance was good for that bulletball EXTREME inventor:




"so what do you have now?"

"........... I have.... bulletball."

lmfao so funny and sad at the same time T_T



so sad =((


and funny at times
Your soul shall suffer!
QuietIdiot
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
7004 Posts
April 14 2007 11:25 GMT
#82
On April 14 2007 20:18 oddeye wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2007 19:50 Kacas wrote:
On April 13 2007 19:27 gameguard wrote:
On April 12 2007 12:28 Polis wrote:
Can't say that ignorance was good for that bulletball EXTREME inventor:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOOw2yWMSfk



"so what do you have now?"

"........... I have.... bulletball."

lmfao so funny and sad at the same time T_T



so sad =((


and funny at times

I did some research, this guy is for real o_O
http://www.bulletballgames.com/
Sadist
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States7290 Posts
April 14 2007 11:33 GMT
#83
On April 14 2007 20:25 QuietIdiot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2007 20:18 oddeye wrote:
On April 14 2007 19:50 Kacas wrote:
On April 13 2007 19:27 gameguard wrote:
On April 12 2007 12:28 Polis wrote:
Can't say that ignorance was good for that bulletball EXTREME inventor:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOOw2yWMSfk



"so what do you have now?"

"........... I have.... bulletball."

lmfao so funny and sad at the same time T_T



so sad =((


and funny at times

I did some research, this guy is for real o_O
http://www.bulletballgames.com/


ROFL @ Him trying to sell the tables for $399
How do you go from where you are to where you want to be? I think you have to have an enthusiasm for life. You have to have a dream, a goal and you have to be willing to work for it. Jim Valvano
Hollow
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Canada2180 Posts
April 14 2007 11:36 GMT
#84
god.. i feel really bad for this bulletball guy
Hippopotamus
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
1914 Posts
April 14 2007 12:53 GMT
#85
LOL @ the bulletball guy. I don't think the idea is bad, after all the most popular games are very simple but 26 years?! DAMN!
pyrogenetix
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
China5098 Posts
April 15 2007 02:00 GMT
#86
i feel so bad for this guy but he is just really not very healthy in his mind
Yea that looks just like Kang Min... amazing game sense... and uses mind games well, but has the micro of a washed up progamer.
Vin{MBL}
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
5185 Posts
April 15 2007 02:56 GMT
#87
yea i feel really bad for him now...
Loveletter
Profile Joined November 2006
United States543 Posts
April 15 2007 09:43 GMT
#88
Yeah I hear alot of people when they get good become very arrogant and think they are the shit. i do know some that are good but dont really speak highly of themselves they know they are good but just keep it on the low.
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bearnet2001
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Argentina335 Posts
April 15 2007 09:53 GMT
#89
How else would anyone be able to win money at poker? In real life social situations, dealing with someone who thinks they are the shit but aren't is frustrating: in poker, it's a goldmine.
Klogon
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
MURICA15980 Posts
April 15 2007 11:40 GMT
#90
Yeah... I truly pity that guy
daz
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Canada643 Posts
May 31 2009 05:06 GMT
#91
On April 11 2007 17:44 pzeta wrote:
I have read an interesting article called 'unskilled and unaware of it';
Essentially, one has to be at a
certain threshold of skill just to realize how much one doesn't
know. At the same time, the highest levels of proficiency can often
create a sense of humility as one really gets one's arms around the
vastness of a subject.
In more detail:

People tend to hold overly favorable views of their abilities in many
social and intellectual domains. The authors suggest that this
overestimation occurs, in part, because people who are unskilled in
these domains suffer a dual burden: Not only do these people reach
erroneous conclusions and make unfortunate choices, but their
incompetence robs them of the metacognitive ability to realize it.
Across 4 studies, the authors found that participants scoring in the
bottom quartile on tests of humor, grammar, and logic grossly
overestimated their test performance and ability. Although their test
scores put them in the 12th percentile, they estimated themselves to
be in the 62nd. Several analyses linked this miscalibration to
deficits in metacognitive skill, or the capacity to distinguish
accuracy from error. Paradoxically, improving the skills of
participants, and thus increasing their metacognitive competence,
helped them recognize the limitations of their abilities.
[image loading]

Poll: Do you agree with unskilled people overstimated theirself
(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No

The article

I don't agree with this article, because a lot of skilled players are arrogant and in my environment the bigger part of people 'unskilled' in some area is usually humild and low-confindence.


im sure someone posted this already but because i dont have time to read the thread and just in case they didnt:

How can you play starcraft and disagree with this? Bnet is just one giant example of these results. Ask any random shitty newb on bnet and they will all tell you how good they are
Some eat to remember, some smash to forget. 2009msl.com
Psyonic_Reaver
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States4337 Posts
May 31 2009 05:10 GMT
#92
So you brought this post back just to say that? I think everybody pretty much got that impression.
So wait? I'm bad? =(
daz
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Canada643 Posts
May 31 2009 05:15 GMT
#93
oh wow i didnt even realize it was an old post i just got linked to it from another thread. whoops
Some eat to remember, some smash to forget. 2009msl.com
tentaclemonster
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States118 Posts
May 31 2009 05:20 GMT
#94
pretty old concept, of people's level of expertise. roughly:

1: don't know what you don't know
2: know what you don't know
3: know what you know
4: don't know what you know
Yurebis
Profile Joined January 2009
United States1452 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-05-31 23:17:18
May 31 2009 23:16 GMT
#95
I voted no but just because I'm stubborn and won't ever admit being wrong with my predictions.
Oh shit. Old post. Interesting though.
Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.
floor exercise
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Canada5847 Posts
June 01 2009 00:19 GMT
#96
On May 31 2009 14:06 daz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2007 17:44 pzeta wrote:
I have read an interesting article called 'unskilled and unaware of it';
Essentially, one has to be at a
certain threshold of skill just to realize how much one doesn't
know. At the same time, the highest levels of proficiency can often
create a sense of humility as one really gets one's arms around the
vastness of a subject.
In more detail:

People tend to hold overly favorable views of their abilities in many
social and intellectual domains. The authors suggest that this
overestimation occurs, in part, because people who are unskilled in
these domains suffer a dual burden: Not only do these people reach
erroneous conclusions and make unfortunate choices, but their
incompetence robs them of the metacognitive ability to realize it.
Across 4 studies, the authors found that participants scoring in the
bottom quartile on tests of humor, grammar, and logic grossly
overestimated their test performance and ability. Although their test
scores put them in the 12th percentile, they estimated themselves to
be in the 62nd. Several analyses linked this miscalibration to
deficits in metacognitive skill, or the capacity to distinguish
accuracy from error. Paradoxically, improving the skills of
participants, and thus increasing their metacognitive competence,
helped them recognize the limitations of their abilities.
[image loading]

Poll: Do you agree with unskilled people overstimated theirself
(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No

The article

I don't agree with this article, because a lot of skilled players are arrogant and in my environment the bigger part of people 'unskilled' in some area is usually humild and low-confindence.


im sure someone posted this already but because i dont have time to read the thread and just in case they didnt:

How can you play starcraft and disagree with this? Bnet is just one giant example of these results. Ask any random shitty newb on bnet and they will all tell you how good they are


old thread and unaware of it
GeneralStan
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States4789 Posts
June 01 2009 00:28 GMT
#97
On April 11 2007 17:44 OP wrote:
tests of humor.


This is the part that boggles me. How do you test for humor exactly?
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
professorjoak
Profile Joined July 2008
318 Posts
June 01 2009 00:38 GMT
#98
The study refers to people in the bottom 25% of skill, and I agree with it. If you're thinking of specific arrogant people in the Starcraft community, odds are that if you could recognize their name then they aren't in the bottom 25% and the article isn't about them. If you took 25% of anyone who's ever played Starcraft, you'd get a lot of 40apm people who are completely unaware of the Korean leagues who would incorrectly think of themselves as roughly average, which is consistent with the findings of the article.
"The different branches of Arithmetic -- Ambition, Distraction, Uglification, and Derision." --Lewis Carroll
s_side
Profile Joined May 2009
United States700 Posts
June 01 2009 00:46 GMT
#99
On June 01 2009 09:28 GeneralStan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2007 17:44 OP wrote:
tests of humor.


This is the part that boggles me. How do you test for humor exactly?


It's like testing for proper taste in film. Asinine.
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