• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 05:03
CET 10:03
KST 18:03
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
ByuL: The Forgotten Master of ZvT29Behind the Blue - Team Liquid History Book19Clem wins HomeStory Cup 289HomeStory Cup 28 - Info & Preview13Rongyi Cup S3 - Preview & Info8
Community News
Blizzard Classic Cup - Tastosis announced as captains3Weekly Cups (March 2-8): ByuN overcomes PvT block3GSL CK - New online series13BSL Season 224Vitality ends partnership with ONSYDE20
StarCraft 2
General
Weekly Cups (March 2-8): ByuN overcomes PvT block Blizzard Classic Cup - Tastosis announced as captains GSL CK - New online series Weekly Cups (Feb 23-Mar 1): herO doubles, 2v2 bonanza Vitality ends partnership with ONSYDE
Tourneys
Master Swan Open (Global Bronze-Master 2) RSL Season 4 announced for March-April Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament PIG STY FESTIVAL 7.0! (19 Feb - 1 Mar) $5,000 WardiTV Winter Championship 2026
Strategy
Custom Maps
Publishing has been re-enabled! [Feb 24th 2026] Map Editor closed ?
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 516 Specter of Death Mutation # 515 Together Forever Mutation # 514 Ulnar New Year
Brood War
General
Recent recommended BW games ASL21 General Discussion BSL 22 Map Contest — Submissions OPEN to March 10 BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ BSL Season 22
Tourneys
IPSL Spring 2026 is here! ASL Season 21 Qualifiers March 7-8 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues BWCL Season 64 Announcement
Strategy
Soma's 9 hatch build from ASL Game 2 Fighting Spirit mining rates Simple Questions, Simple Answers Zealot bombing is no longer popular?
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread PC Games Sales Thread Path of Exile No Man's Sky (PS4 and PC) Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion The Story of Wings Gaming
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas Vanilla Mini Mafia TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Mexico's Drug War Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread YouTube Thread
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books [Manga] One Piece
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion General nutrition recommendations Cricket [SPORT] TL MMA Pick'em Pool 2013
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Laptop capable of using Photoshop Lightroom?
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Iranian anarchists: organize…
XenOsky
FS++
Kraekkling
Shocked by a laser…
Spydermine0240
Gaming-Related Deaths
TrAiDoS
Unintentional protectionism…
Uldridge
ASL S21 English Commentary…
namkraft
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1822 users

Code S - Ro32 Group E Preview/D Recap (Season 3)

Forum Index > SC2 General
84 CommentsPost a Reply
1 2 3 4 5 Next All

Code S - Ro32 Group E Preview/D Recap (Season 3)

Text byTL.net ESPORTS
Graphics bywo1fwood
September 4th, 2013 22:06 GMT
2013 GSL Season 2

WCS Korea Season 3
GSL Code S




Ro32 - Group D Recap
Maru and Sleep advance.


Ro32 - Group E Preview
First, Jjakji, Hyvaa, Flash


Brackets and standings on Liquipedia

Ro32 Group D Recap

Maru and Sleep advance to the Ro16

by Waxangel

After a disappointing performance at the WCS Season 2 finals, (T)MaruPrime took the first step on his road to recovery by advancing to the Ro16 in Code S. While there was not much room to impress against one of the weaker groups of the Ro32 containing (Z)Sleep, (T)Bbyong, Maru put in a decent performance nonetheless.

Maru struggled more than some would have expected against his hand-picked first opponent (Z)Azubu.Sleep (the top two players of the previous tournament get to pick their first Ro32 opponent), but escaped with a 2 - 1 victory. While game one played out as a textbook MMM beatdown, Sleep was able to strike back with a strong zergling-baneling all-in in game two. Maru was briefly on the ropes in game three as his early reapers failed to do significant damage, but Sleep completely missed the blue-flame hellion follow-up and paid the price by losing a crippling number of drones.

Maru moved on to the winners match to face (T)CJ_Bbyong, who had come up after outplaying (T)MVP.Dream handily in the early game. Unfortunately for Bbyong, he would have the tables turned on him as Maru caused him a significant amount of pain with a proxy marauder rush in game one. Dream gathered himself for a big counter-attack, but Maru easily held with superior micro and rolled his advantage into a win. Maru then showed he could get it done in a macro game as well on new map Yeonsu, using his bio-tank to absolutely crush Bbyong's reckless mech push to take first place in the group.

Ro32 - Group D
1.(T)MaruPrime2 - 0
2.(Z)Azubu.Sleep2 - 1
3.(T)CJ_Bbyong1 - 2
4.(T)MVP.Dream0 - 2


Detailed results from Live Report Thread by Karasaki.
+ Show Spoiler [Click for Detailed Results] +
Maru vs Sleep
(T)Maru <Derelict Watcher> (Z)Sleep
(T)Maru <Polar Night> (Z)Sleep
(T)Maru <Bel'Shir Vestige> (Z)Sleep

Maru wins 2-1!

Dream vs Bbyong
(T)Dream <Frost> (T)Bbyong
(T)Dream <Yeonsu> (T)Bbyong
(T)Dream <> (T)Bbyong

Bbyong wins 2-0!

Winners' Match
(T)Maru <Bel'Shir Vestige> (T)Bbyong
(T)Maru <Frost> (T)Bbyong
(T)Maru <> (T)Bbyong

Maru wins 2-0!

Losers' Match
(Z)Sleep <Bel'Shir Vestige> (T)Dream
(Z)Sleep <Akilon Wastes> (T)Dream
(Z)Sleep <Derelict Watcher> (T)Dream

Sleep wins 2-1!

Final Match
(T)Bbyong <Yeonsu> (Z)Sleep
(T)Bbyong <Frost> (Z)Sleep
(T)Bbyong <Derelict Watcher> (Z)Sleep

Sleep wins 2-1!



Maru and Sleep advance to WCS KR GSL Ro16!

Down in the loser's match, (Z)Azubu.Sleep managed to stay alive with a surprise win over MVP's hot prospect (T)Dream. Many had been been impressed with Dream's performances in GSTL and ATC, but he failed to bring his best form against Sleep. Another baneling-ling bust handed Sleep a win in game one, and though Dream was able to recover on point on Akilon Wastes, he was overwhelmed by Sleep's great muta-ling-bane play on the final map.

Sleep then faced the third and final Terran player of the group, Bbyong, with the last remaining Ro16 ticket up for grabs. The series started out in bizarre fashion with Bbyong going for what could only be called a "marine-medivac-hellion-battlecruiser all-in" off of two bases. While the Sleep seemed to struggle slightly against the initial push, his constant stream of reinforcements was able to eventually overwhelm Bbyong and force the GG. Sleep then went for his own all-in in game two—the same baneling-ling all-in that had bested Maru and Dream—but it was thwarted by Bbyong and his retro hellion-banshee opener. Bbyong made a successful mech transition after that, and was able to run over Sleep to tie up the series.

With everything on the line on Derelict Watcher, Sleep was once again able to bring some impressive muta-ling-bane play to win an upset. Much like Dream, many would have favored Bbyong against Sleep in a straight up MMM vs. muta-ling-bane fight, but the Azubu Zerg showed great defense and engagements to overcome his Terran opponent. After sweeping away several waves of Terran forces, Sleep counter-attacked with a huge group of muta-ling-bane to force the final GG and book an Ro16 spot in his very first Code S appearance.


PartinG Notes

(T)Maru: This was the bare minimum Maru could have done to avoid being called another Seed, Sniper, Jjakji, etc. The Ro16 should be a much more interesting test of his skills.

(Z)Sleep: Sleep's solid ZvT was a pleasant surprise, considering we've barely seen him play the match-up (and he's lost when he has). It's hard to say his games were particularly impressive, with his macro consistently suffering and his creep spread not looking great. But his mine-defusing was pretty good, he picked good fights, and he advanced at the end of the day.

(T)Bbyong: Bbyong played about as well most people expected, with him being the new Ensnare/Virus/Terran Gatekeeper of Code S and all. He happily exposed Dream's early game TvT weaknesses, got crushed by a superior player in Maru, and just barely failed to get into the Ro16 at the end of a tough game. Oh, and he went for a BATTLECRUISER ALL-IN, which has greatly improved our opinion of him.

(T)Dream: It's no secret that we've been in love with Dream's potential for a long time, so it's always disappointing when he falls flat like this. Consistency and TvT are Dream's major problems, but we wouldn't be surprised to see him back in Code S if he gets the right kind of brackets.


Ro32: Group E Preview

(P)IM_First, (T)mYi.jjakji, (Z)Soul_hyvaa, (T)KT_Flash

by Lichter

Realization, redemption, and resurrection. All the players in Group E have something to prove and much to gain in the ultimate WCS Korea Season before the Grand Finals at Blizzcon. Only (P)First (at 19th as of writing) has a shot of making it to Blizzcon barring at least a second place finish in WCS Korea or the Season 3 finals, but each player will have more than an invitation at stake in today’s games.

(P)IM_First is arguablyclearly the most accomplished player in Group E. He entered the OSL a darkhorse to win the tournament—a player that everyone knew had both the potential and the safe play style to do it—even as a complete royal roader. It looked like OSL was going to be his breakthrough tournament after he advanced to the Round of 8 and drew (T)Bomber in his favored matchup, but he was unceremoniously dumped out 0 - 3 in surprising fashion. The player he is most compared to, SKT T1's safety-first Protoss (P)Rain, dismantled (T)Bomber in the next round and everyone was once again left wondering if this was First’s ceiling.

First bounced back by beating both (Z)Symbol and (T)SuperNova in the 5th place matches to earn his trip to Europe where he once again looked good in the group stages, but his "breakthrough moment" (not like he won IEM Katowice or anything) eluded him once more as he struggled to advance past (T)aLive and was crushed by a resurgent (Z)Jaedong in the semis. Despite being considered a top Protoss player, (P)First has struggled to perform as the stakes grow higher. Will he finally realize his potential, or will he cement his place as a ‘really good but not good enough to win it all’ tier of Code S player?

In his initial match, he faces a player out to prove that he wasn’t just a fluke. NSH mYi.(T)jjakji is finally back in Code S after 6 seasons lost in the “Irrelevant Champ” abyss (which currently contains (Z)Sniper and (P)Seed, soon to include (Z)RorO). 6 seasons doesn’t sound very long until you realize his last Code S appearance was in April 2012, more than a year ago.

We might think of him as a SC2 veteran or old timer, but aside from that one miraculous triumph, (T)jjakji has actually been conspicuously absent for most of the game’s history, with only four Code S appearances total. His recovery has been a slow process, but just like his November 2011 run, we perhaps we could be in for a surprise? After all, he’s gone straight from Code B to Challenger to Code S in a single season. Still, no one is really talking about his championship potential. His Challenger League games didn’t look good as he survived a series vs. an aggressive CJ (P)Trust and got utterly demolished by a struggling (Z)ST_Life. His Up&Down games looked more impressive as he advanced in 1st place—winning against 3 Zergs and losing to (P)Hurricane due to a failed proxy 2rax—though he did show a tendency to lose concentration and miss his micro during high intensity moments. Basically he looks like the (T)jjakji of November 2011. Maybe this is the redemptive sequel we’ve been waiting for.

In the other starting match we have (Z)Soul_hyvaa versus (T)KT_Flash, two players whose situations are more similar than you might think. (Z)hyvaa, the Soul Survivor, the Injustice Leaguer, the famed cheeser, has so far done well for himself by qualifying for a second successive Premier League. Unfortunately, the dissolution of STX’s sponsorship of SouL left him to look for new opportunities, but for now it seems like he's settled down on just plain ol' SouL. It's easy to see why he may have been a hard sell to prospective employers despite his Premier League credentials, as he only has a winrate of 48% (22-24) in HotS. With so many decent, good, or great ex-BW players retiring in the Proleague off-season, this might be (Z)hyvaa’s last chance to make a real impact in his SC2 career.

His opponent is another middling Code S player hoping to show his SC2 career hasn’t dried up. Yup, it’s (T)KT_Flash. With only 2 Round of 16 exits and a 2nd place at the Asian Indoor Games since his silver at MLG Winter Championship back in March, (T)Flash hasn’t done much in SC2 lately. While that's blasphemous to his reputation as 'God,' it’s true. Flash hasn’t even played a televised game since July 30. For a player nicknamed God and the Ultimate Weapon, that’s not what we’ve come to expect from him. Heck, even (Z)Jaedong has had more success in the last few months (who would have thought we’d be saying that?). This is Flash's last chance to make a mark in 2013 and try to make it to Blizzcon as he sits in 44th place with 800 points. A championship run here and a good result at the Season 3 Finals could yet catapult him up the rankings, but no one can blame you for being a nonbeliever.

Overall, expect (T)Flash and (P)First to advance in whatever order. Both have successful winrates in their relevant matchups and cruised past their Round of 32 groups last season in Best of 1s. (Z)hyvaa is and always will be a dangerous opponent, but (P)First is known for safe play and (T)Flash will be desperate to make something of Season 3 (so don’t expect him to go blind 14cc every game). The wild card of the group is (T)jjakji because we have very little to go on with only 36 games played (and only 9 in WCS). His TvZ looked strong in his Up&Down games (3-0 vZ)—a macro game vs (Z)KangHo, a successful roach rush defense with 3CCs vs (Z)EffOrt, a timing attack vs (Z)Shine—so he should be favored against hyvaa. Both First and Flash have had vT woes recently, especially against Bomber, so jjakji will have a shot of pulling a rabbit out of his hat. It’s unlikely, but not much more than his GSL title run.

Overall Predictions
(P)First > (T)jjakji
(Z)hyvaa < (T)Flash

(P)First < (T)Flash
(Z)hyvaa < (T)jjakji

(P)First > (T)jjakji

(T)Flash and (P)First advance.

Progamer Pokedex: By Popular Request

by monk

[image loading]

Incredible Miracle certainly has no shortage of Water-based Protoss Pokemon with shells. Of those, First is Cloyster! The most defensively based Pokemon of original 151, Cloyster, in the olden days, often relied on his opponents tiring themselves out when they tried to break his near-indestructible shell.

More recently, Cloyster has learned some neat new tricks, one of them being a new move in the form of Shell Smash. By using a turn to setup, it increases all its offenses at the cost of his formidable defenses. Though somewhat more gimmicky and though he sometimes falls flat on his face when using it, when his opponents allow him the freedom to take such risks, the results can be miraculous.

[image loading]

Jjakji is Moltres! Reborn in a flash of flames, Moltres is the phoenix of the first generation. Though he was once one of the best of his time, Moltres sports several glaring weaknesses that make him an unpredictable Pokemon in terms of battling results. Though not nearly as good or as legendary as his cousin, Ho-oh, Moltres' still formidable regenerative powers allow him to come back into the scene when all have pronounced him irrelevant.

[image loading]

Hyvaa is Persian! Always at Team Rocket Boss Giovanni's side, Persian was perhaps the first "evil" Pokemon. Though he's mainly known for his tricks and deception, he's a surprisingly capable battler when push comes to shove. And if all else fails, he can still score an upset with a lucky critical hit from his signature Slash attack.

[image loading]

Flash is Dragonite! In the first generation, Dragonite was a legendary Pokemon. In fact, it was one of THE most legendary Pokemon, so rare that the famed researcher Bill had never seen one and many of Team Rocket's plans revolved around obtaining one (or a pre-evolved form). But as the Pokemon world grew larger, the anime retcon'd both Dragonite's ability and rarity (They even gave one to a main character). Though still powerful and pseudo-legendary, Dragonite was now one of many, a situation he was not used to in Generation I.

Writers: lichter, monk, and Waxangel
Graphics: wo1fwood.
Editor: Waxangel.
Facebook Twitter Reddit
TL+ Member
Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-04 22:11:17
September 04 2013 22:08 GMT
#2
The flash / Dragonite analogy is pretty clever.

and yeah I have no shame to admit that I don't really read anything beside the results and the pokemon analogies.
" I'm not gonna fight you. I'm gonna kick your ass ! "
Yonnua
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United Kingdom2331 Posts
September 04 2013 22:19 GMT
#3
The funny thing is that if they were those pokemon, First still demolishes the group with water attacks vs moltres and ice attacks vs dragonite.

Looking forward to seeing him smash his opponents in starcraft too.
LRSL 2014 Finalist! PartinG | Mvp | Bomber | Creator | NaNiwa | herO
Kasaraki
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Denmark7115 Posts
September 04 2013 22:20 GMT
#4
Potential for a Lichter curse scares me. D: I'm not even sure what the Lichter prediction curse will be yet, but I'm sure there'll be one and it'll be bad for IM players.

I like First being Cloyster! Though Monk didn't flesh it out, Cloyster is both an OU pokemon, as well as a set-up sweeper with poor defense towards some thing (bad SpD) but amazing defense against other things (Incredible Def).
N.geNuity
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States5112 Posts
September 04 2013 22:23 GMT
#5
I think it's cute someone thinks flash won't go 14cc
iu, seungah, yura, taeyeon, hyosung, lizzy, suji, sojin, jia, ji eun, eunji, soya, younha, jiyeon, fiestar, sinb, jung myung hoon godtier. BW FOREVERR
jackslings
Profile Joined April 2011
United States5 Posts
September 04 2013 22:25 GMT
#6
i really like jjakji and want him to go 2-0 but i think he will lose 1-2. on the other hand flash hasn't seemed up to par lately and i feel like first could beat him to come out on top.
appear were no one is expecting
Neemi
Profile Joined August 2012
Netherlands656 Posts
September 04 2013 22:27 GMT
#7
The text in between is pretty good too haha, I'm going for Flash/First as well but we'll see what happens (:
Cute
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-04 22:28:09
September 04 2013 22:27 GMT
#8
First will go 4-0 or 1-4. He's inconsistent like that D;

Flash in 1st or 2nd
NesTea | Mvp | MC | Leenock | Losira | Gumiho | DRG | Taeja | Jinro | Stephano | Thorzain | Sen | Idra |Polt | Bomber | Symbol | Squirtle | Fantasy | Jaedong | Maru | sOs | Seed | ByuN | ByuL | Neeb| Scarlett | Rogue | IM forever
NovaMB
Profile Joined February 2013
Germany9534 Posts
September 04 2013 22:30 GMT
#9
Hyvaa 4-0 confirmed
Orcasgt24
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada3238 Posts
September 04 2013 22:33 GMT
#10
Flash will go 14 CC blind and lose first game of the night. Thats my prediction
In Hearthstone we pray to RNGesus. When Yogg-Saron hits the field, RNGod gets to work
NeThZOR
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
South Africa7387 Posts
September 04 2013 22:33 GMT
#11
Go flash!
SuperNova - 2015 | SKT1 fan for years | Dear, FlaSh, PartinG, Soulkey, Naniwa
Josh_Video
Profile Joined August 2013
Canada798 Posts
September 04 2013 22:36 GMT
#12
This group will be interesting, i'm hopeful that hyvaa will pull an upset and come out of this group, he is going to need to if he wishes to continue in his career. With Soul dying and a scene met with disbanding teams and retiring players, he might have some trouble finding a team if he doesn't show some major success soon.
MKP :D ~ MMA ~ Scarlett ~ Taeja ~ Mvp ~ InnoVation ~ Polt | Prime ( RIP :( ) ~ Acer ~ SK Telecom T1 | I enjoyed the locust war of May 3, 2014.
Destructicon
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
4713 Posts
September 04 2013 22:37 GMT
#13
Well with Proleague over, Flash has all the time in the world to focus exclusively on his personal championships, I'd expect to see the best plays of SC2 out of him during this brief pause, and of course seeing Flash even more awesome then he is now is an exciting (and frightening) thought.
WriterNever give up, never surrender! https://www.youtube.com/user/DestructiconSC
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44238 Posts
September 04 2013 22:37 GMT
#14
i want "evil" and "God" to get out of the group ..


so gogo dragonite and persian !
this is a quote
redpeople
Profile Joined July 2013
70 Posts
September 04 2013 22:38 GMT
#15
PartinG Notes? What does it have to do with PartinG?
The God of the stomach is at war with the God of kidneys
DPK
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada487 Posts
September 04 2013 22:40 GMT
#16
On September 05 2013 07:08 Noocta wrote:
The flash / Dragonite analogy is pretty clever.

and yeah I have no shame to admit that I don't really read anything beside the results and the pokemon analogies.


For me it's the complete opposite. Couldn't care less about this useless stuff and don't understand why it's there. As someone who never listen/read pokemon, I don't understand anything about them and I just feel like it's too childish to be worth making comparison between them and sc2 progamers... No offense to anyone but that's just how I feel. It just doesn't feel serious.
Desire.Discipline.Dedication
Grumbels
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Netherlands7031 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-04 22:42:19
September 04 2013 22:41 GMT
#17
Cloyster is surprisingly strong for a forgotten Generation I pokemon. I had one in my battle team for pokemon white and it can sweep most teams by itself, only falling to some specific counters. One of my personal victories was that I came up with the concept of using a King's Rock for Cloyster due to its attacks that connect 5 times always, which has a 40% chance of flinching the opponent. I couldn't find this on smogon anywhere, so it's like I'm innovative. (or most likely, it's a bad set-up )
On September 05 2013 07:40 DPK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2013 07:08 Noocta wrote:
The flash / Dragonite analogy is pretty clever.

and yeah I have no shame to admit that I don't really read anything beside the results and the pokemon analogies.


For me it's the complete opposite. Couldn't care less about this useless stuff and don't understand why it's there. As someone who never listen/read pokemon, I don't understand anything about them and I just feel like it's too childish to be worth making comparison between them and sc2 progamers... No offense to anyone but that's just how I feel. It just doesn't feel serious.

You have no soul. :o

In any case, in the anime dragonite is barely taller than Ash these days, quite a fall for a legendary dragon.
Well, now I tell you, I never seen good come o' goodness yet. Him as strikes first is my fancy; dead men don't bite; them's my views--amen, so be it.
Like a Boss
Profile Joined January 2011
502 Posts
September 04 2013 22:42 GMT
#18
I wonder what pokemon is jaedong and bisu.
monk
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States8476 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-04 22:44:09
September 04 2013 22:43 GMT
#19
On September 05 2013 07:41 Grumbels wrote:
Cloyster is surprisingly strong for a forgotten Generation I pokemon. I had one in my battle team for pokemon white and it can sweep most teams by itself, only falling to some specific counters. One of my personal victories was that I came up with the concept of using a King's Rock for Cloyster due to its attacks that connect 5 times always, which has a 40% chance of flinching the opponent. I couldn't find this on smogon anywhere, so it's like I'm innovative. (or most likely, it's a bad set-up )
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2013 07:40 DPK wrote:
On September 05 2013 07:08 Noocta wrote:
The flash / Dragonite analogy is pretty clever.

and yeah I have no shame to admit that I don't really read anything beside the results and the pokemon analogies.


For me it's the complete opposite. Couldn't care less about this useless stuff and don't understand why it's there. As someone who never listen/read pokemon, I don't understand anything about them and I just feel like it's too childish to be worth making comparison between them and sc2 progamers... No offense to anyone but that's just how I feel. It just doesn't feel serious.

You have no soul. :o

In any case, in the anime dragonite is barely taller than Ash these days, quite a fall for a legendary dragon.

It's on smogon. Sorry to disappoint.
Moderator
Grumbels
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Netherlands7031 Posts
September 04 2013 22:45 GMT
#20
And how can First be 'clearly' the most accomplished player in this group when Flash had the most wins and best performances in proleague, which TL constantly tells us is the most important tournament?
Well, now I tell you, I never seen good come o' goodness yet. Him as strikes first is my fancy; dead men don't bite; them's my views--amen, so be it.
1 2 3 4 5 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 57m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
ProTech23
StarCraft: Brood War
Horang2 2438
Hyuk 935
actioN 635
Shuttle 282
Jaedong 173
Leta 129
Dewaltoss 122
EffOrt 111
Soma 88
Pusan 74
[ Show more ]
Killer 72
Britney 71
ToSsGirL 67
Mong 66
Nal_rA 65
Sharp 31
sSak 27
Barracks 25
NotJumperer 25
NaDa 24
Bale 22
yabsab 18
sorry 14
ZerO 5
Flash 1
Dota 2
XaKoH 159
febbydoto19
Counter-Strike
Stewie2K1239
shoxiejesuss570
m0e_tv565
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King108
Other Games
ceh9531
crisheroes88
ToD78
ZerO(Twitch)1
Organizations
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream7640
Other Games
gamesdonequick1015
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 17 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH274
• LUISG 9
• Kozan
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• sooper7s
• intothetv
• Migwel
• IndyKCrew
StarCraft: Brood War
• iopq 1
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
League of Legends
• Lourlo1709
• Stunt587
• Jankos477
• HappyZerGling160
Upcoming Events
GSL
57m
WardiTV Team League
2h 57m
The PondCast
1d
WardiTV Team League
1d 2h
Replay Cast
1d 14h
Replay Cast
2 days
CranKy Ducklings
3 days
RSL Revival
3 days
WardiTV Team League
3 days
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
3 days
[ Show More ]
BSL
3 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
4 days
RSL Revival
4 days
WardiTV Team League
4 days
BSL
4 days
Replay Cast
4 days
Replay Cast
4 days
Wardi Open
5 days
Monday Night Weeklies
5 days
WardiTV Team League
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Spring Cup 2026
WardiTV Winter 2026
Underdog Cup #3

Ongoing

KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 1
Jeongseon Sooper Cup
BSL Season 22
RSL Revival: Season 4
Nations Cup 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Stage 1&2
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual

Upcoming

CSL Elite League 2026
ASL Season 21
Acropolis #4 - TS6
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
CSLAN 4
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2026
NationLESS Cup
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
CCT Season 3 Global Finals
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Finals
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.