• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 08:30
CEST 14:30
KST 21:30
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
ByuL, and the Limitations of Standard Play3Team Liquid Map Contest #22: Results and Winners7Code S Season 2 (2026): RO4 and Finals Preview12TL.net Map Contest #22 - Voting & Ladder Map Selection7Code S Season 2 (2026) - RO8 Preview8
Community News
MC vs IdrA, Boxer vs Nal_rA to be Legacy Matches @ BlizzCon145.0.16 Hotfix (June 30) - Balance + Bug Fixes18Weekly Cups (June 22-28): Zergs thrive in new patch2[TLMC] Summer 2026 Ladder Map Rotation05.0.16 patch for SC2 goes live (8 worker start)98
StarCraft 2
General
MC vs IdrA, Boxer vs Nal_rA to be Legacy Matches @ BlizzCon Is the larve respawn broken? ByuL, and the Limitations of Standard Play 5.0.16 Hotfix (June 30) - Balance + Bug Fixes The Death of Cheese: From a Professional Cheeser
Tourneys
RSL Revival: Season 6 - Qualifiers and Main Event Douyu Cup 2026: $20,000 Legends Event (June 26-28) Maestros of The Game 2 announcement and schedule ! INu's Battles#17 <BO.9> Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
New Map Maker - Looking for Advice - Love or Hate Work In Progress Melee Maps [D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 532 Nuclear Family Mutation # 531 Experimental Artillery Mutation # 530 One For All
Brood War
General
ASL 22 Proposed Map Pool ProGamer Paychecks Story BW General Discussion Best thing happen to StarCraft since Remastered? Data needed
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL21] Grand Finals The Casual Games of the Week Thread [BSL22] GosuLeague Casts - Tue & Thu 22:00 CEST
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Creating a full chart of Zerg builds Relatively freeroll strategies Why doesn't anyone use restoration?
Other Games
General Games
ZeroSpace at Steam NextFest - Last free demo Nintendo Switch Thread Path of Exile Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Beyond All Reason
Dota 2
Looking for a Dota Mentor Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
[94721]Better Good-Health Signs Than 3-15 Bans/Yea TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Men's Fashion Thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread The Games Industry And ATVI
Fan Clubs
The HerO Fan Club! The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! Series you have seen recently... [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books [TV/BOOK] *SPOILERS* Game of Thrones Discussion
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 Formula 1 Discussion McBoner: A hockey love story Cricket [SPORT]
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
How to clean a TTe Thermaltake keyboard? Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Listen To The Coaches!
TrAiDoS
An Exploration of th…
waywardstrategy
I'm an arrogant trash talke…
FlaShFTW
Gauntlet SC2: A Retrospectiv…
Ctone23
ramps on octagon
StaticNine
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Evil Gacha Games and the…
ffswowsucks
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 2804 users

You can no longer be demoted during a season!

Forum Index > SC2 General
365 CommentsPost a Reply
1 2 3 4 5 17 18 19 Next All
MockHamill
Profile Joined March 2010
Sweden1798 Posts
June 03 2013 21:55 GMT
#1
It is no longer possible to be demoted during a season, only when you play your placement matches for a new season can you be demoted!

http://www.blizzposts.com/blogentry/95918/starcraft-ii-ladder-league-and-season-faq.

I think this change is excellent. If you manage to get promoted you could sometimes get on a bad losing streak and fall back from where you came which was very demoralizing. Now you will get to keep your league status at least until the next season.

Please observe this has nothing to with ladder lock, it is for the whole season.


Facebook Twitter Reddit
DavoS
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States4605 Posts
June 03 2013 21:58 GMT
#2
Eh, not too thrilled. When I first started playing, I was put in Gold. I was not gold league caliber. I lost every game that season and that was against low level silvers after the first few golds roflstomped me. I literally celebrated when I got demoted to silver. Would like to see a way to make placement matches more accurate before they worry about things like demotion
"KDA is actually the most useless stat in the game" Aui_2000
phuzi0n
Profile Joined April 2010
United States308 Posts
June 03 2013 21:59 GMT
#3
Does that mean GM players can't be demoted either? If so then the first people to make GM would stay GM all season.
BlueLanterna
Profile Joined April 2011
291 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-03 22:00:57
June 03 2013 22:00 GMT
#4
On June 04 2013 06:59 phuzi0n wrote:
Does that mean GM players can't be demoted either? If so then the first people to make GM would stay GM all season.


Logic would dictate that GM would be the exception to the rule, but who knows...
R1CH
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Netherlands10342 Posts
June 03 2013 22:00 GMT
#5
I'm sure the regular GM dropdown conditions still apply (inactivity etc).
AdministratorTwitter: @R1CH_TL
TL+ Member
Poffel
Profile Joined March 2011
471 Posts
June 03 2013 22:00 GMT
#6
On June 04 2013 06:58 DavoS wrote:
Eh, not too thrilled. When I first started playing, I was put in Gold. I was not gold league caliber. I lost every game that season and that was against low level silvers after the first few golds roflstomped me. I literally celebrated when I got demoted to silver. Would like to see a way to make placement matches more accurate before they worry about things like demotion

Well, by now you could just "leave league" in such an event and do your placement matches again, so that shouldn't be much of a problem, or am I mistaken?
Draconicfire
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada2562 Posts
June 03 2013 22:00 GMT
#7
On June 04 2013 06:59 phuzi0n wrote:
Does that mean GM players can't be demoted either? If so then the first people to make GM would stay GM all season.


Pretty sure that's how it works now anyways.

This new change is eh I guess. If the seasons are short enough it's not a big deal. Removes some ladder anxiety I guess.
@Drayxs | Drayxs.221 | Drayxs#1802
o29
Profile Joined November 2010
United States220 Posts
June 03 2013 22:03 GMT
#8
With the "leave league" button it should still be possible though, right? Seems like another change to help protect people's precious egos, but it ultimately shouldn't actually change anything about the difficulty of matched opponents.
Deleted User 101379
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
4849 Posts
June 03 2013 22:04 GMT
#9
Uhm, what?

Yeah, getting demoted is unpleasant for those it happens to, but it's just how ladders work. You go up when you are better than your opponents, you go down when you are worse. Feels like Blizzard tries to remove that part but that kind of makes the whole ladder pointless unless they make seasons really short, e.g. a month or so. Otherwise there will be lots of people with lucky placement matches and such showing up far above where they should be.
skylarr
Profile Joined May 2013
Canada209 Posts
June 03 2013 22:04 GMT
#10
That's kinda unnecessary haha
GuitarBizarre
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom332 Posts
June 03 2013 22:05 GMT
#11
On June 04 2013 06:59 phuzi0n wrote:
Does that mean GM players can't be demoted either? If so then the first people to make GM would stay GM all season.


If you think of it, GM is actually just another part of masters league, its not actually a league of its own, so you could flip down to masters, just not to diamond.
In retrospect, I don't know how you can play StarCraft without swearing. - Eifer
Savage88
Profile Joined April 2013
Germany132 Posts
June 03 2013 22:05 GMT
#12
Thats just a terrible idea. Since HotS it feels leagues are getting worse and worse. I was Plat all of WoL and I'm Masters now even I haven't improved at all. It feels like people in Masters are more Plat WoL Level now and if you cannot get demoted it makes it even worse.

MichaelDonovan
Profile Joined June 2011
United States1453 Posts
June 03 2013 22:06 GMT
#13
Well now people are gonna be scared shitless to play their placement matches cause they don't know how they did lol.
Frankenberry
Profile Joined February 2012
Denmark302 Posts
June 03 2013 22:06 GMT
#14
What a horrible idea
Koromon
Profile Joined May 2012
United States304 Posts
June 03 2013 22:08 GMT
#15
On June 04 2013 07:05 Savage88 wrote:
Thats just a terrible idea. Since HotS it feels leagues are getting worse and worse. I was Plat all of WoL and I'm Masters now even I haven't improved at all. It feels like people in Masters are more Plat WoL Level now and if you cannot get demoted it makes it even worse.



I mean, even if you're "in" Masters, if you keep losing and losing throughout the season, your MMR would be placing you against people of relatively the same skill level (let's say Plat WoL level) and so it'd be fine? I mean, I'm assuming the system just wouldn't put you in your place until the end of the season.
aksfjh
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4853 Posts
June 03 2013 22:08 GMT
#16
On June 04 2013 07:06 MichaelDonovan wrote:
Well now people are gonna be scared shitless to play their placement matches cause they don't know how they did lol.

Better than what's happening now, where people get to some goal league and just stop playing out of fear of demotion.
Blargh
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2103 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-03 22:11:14
June 03 2013 22:08 GMT
#17
That doesn't really make sense to me. So, let's assume the top 2% (isn't that what Master league consists of?) make it into Master league at the beginning of the season. Then, as the season progresses, people who WOULD get promotions cannot because the top 2% is already filled. Normally, players would be demoted out of Master league and players would be promoted into Master league. Or is it that the players who -WOULD HAVE- gotten demoted from Masters will stay in it and be ignored for the "top 2%" while players still get promoted from Diamond, thus making master league technically larger than 2%?

While I don't like to get demoted because master league so kewl man, I disagree with the idea. If you aren't playing master league level, then you probably shouldn't be in Master league. But this might be better for a majority of people. It just doesn't follow the "competitive" style of a ladder.
Mortal
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
2943 Posts
June 03 2013 22:09 GMT
#18
Hahahaha, oh Blizzard you jest.
The universe created an audience for itself.
Heyoka
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Katowice25012 Posts
June 03 2013 22:11 GMT
#19
Not entirely sure why everyone is so mad at this. I'd guess it doesn't effect basically anything, and that the 2% (or whatever it is) of masters will be made up of MMR calculations and not what is displayed, so those who have dropped below will still free up slots. It just won't show on their account.
@RealHeyoka | ESL / DreamHack StarCraft Lead
Targe
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom14103 Posts
June 03 2013 22:11 GMT
#20
On June 04 2013 07:08 Blargh wrote:
That doesn't really make sense to me. So, let's assume the top 2% (isn't that what Master league consists of?) make it into Master league at the beginning of the season. Then, as the season progresses, people who WOULD get promotions cannot because the top 2% is already filled. Normally, players would be demoted out of Master league and players would be promoted into Master league. Does this mean that the players who -WOULD HAVE- gotten demoted from Masters will stay in it and be ignored for the "top 2%" while players still get promoted from Diamond, thus making master league technically larger than 2%?

While I don't like to get demoted because master league so kewl man, I disagree with the idea. If you aren't playing master league level, then you probably shouldn't be in Master league. But this might be better for a majority of people. It just doesn't follow the "competitive" style of a ladder.


You're overthinking, it wouldn't be that much more.
11/5/14 CATACLYSM | The South West's worst Falco main
1 2 3 4 5 17 18 19 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Kung Fu Cup
11:00
KungFu Cup 2026 Week 13
IntoTheiNu 1052
RotterdaM543
WardiTV469
TKL 181
SteadfastSC96
CranKy Ducklings38
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
RotterdaM 543
Ryung 223
TKL 181
elazer 159
SHIN 141
ProTech110
SteadfastSC 96
IndyStarCraft 88
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 49640
Sea 2307
Horang2 1729
Shuttle 870
Hyuk 715
Zeus 483
EffOrt 351
Soulkey 296
Mini 289
Light 274
[ Show more ]
BeSt 267
Soma 239
firebathero 179
Hyun 170
Last 164
ggaemo 140
Dewaltoss 104
Snow 98
Rush 97
Pusan 89
ZerO 80
hero 65
ToSsGirL 63
Killer 48
Mind 42
Free 34
scan(afreeca) 33
sorry 30
Aegong 30
[sc1f]eonzerg 27
Barracks 25
Shine 23
Icarus 23
Sacsri 12
Bale 12
Noble 10
Purpose 8
zelot 7
Dota 2
Dendi715
XaKoH 555
Fuzer 255
LuMiX1
Counter-Strike
olofmeister1632
kRYSTAL_8
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King81
Other Games
singsing1644
B2W.Neo863
shoxiejesuss607
Lowko382
JimRising 311
crisheroes301
hiko229
DeMusliM208
Pyrionflax189
Hui .24
BEARDiaguz21
Organizations
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream284
StarCraft: Brood War
UltimateBattle 30
lovetv 14
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 12 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• StrangeGG 74
• CranKy Ducklings SOOP7
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Upcoming Events
Replay Cast
11h 30m
CrankTV Team League
22h 30m
Bombastic Starleague
1d 7h
The PondCast
1d 21h
HomeStory Cup
1d 22h
Replay Cast
2 days
HomeStory Cup
2 days
Replay Cast
3 days
HomeStory Cup
3 days
OSC
4 days
[ Show More ]
Sparkling Tuna Cup
4 days
WardiTV Weekly
5 days
The PondCast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

YSL S3
Douyu Cup 2026
Murky Cup 2026

Ongoing

IPSL Spring 2026
Acropolis #4
CSL Season 21: Qualifier 2
SCTL 2026 Spring
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
IEM Rio 2026

Upcoming

CSL 2026 Summer (S21)
ASL Season 22:Wild Card Qualifier
CSLAN 4
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Revival: Season 6
CranK Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League
HSC XXIX
Light Tournament 2026
Eternal Conflict S2 Finale
Heroes Pulsing #3
Eternal Conflict S2 E1
FISSURE Playground #5
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.