• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 12:33
CEST 18:33
KST 01:33
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Ro24 Preview: Siren's Call7[ASL22] Ro24 Preview: Summer's End9Serral wins HomeStory Cup 2915Serral wins Maestros of the Game 244ByuL, and the Limitations of Standard Play3
Community News
New 3v3 BGH Ladder (and more) on ShieldBattery!7Weekly Cups (August 17-23): Zerg dominate the week0Weekly Cups (August 10-16): SHIN doubles2GSTL Returns in 2026!45Weekly Cups (Aug 3-9): Protoss get shut out7
StarCraft 2
General
SC4ALL II: SC2 Player Announcement 6/8 - Maru How would you feel about frequent/monthly balance patches for SC2? Weekly Cups (August 17-23): Zerg dominate the week Geoff 'iNcontroL' Robinson has passed away GSTL Returns in 2026!
Tourneys
PIG STY FESTIVAL 8.0! (13 - 23 August) Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament WORTEX 2026 - Hungarian SC2 Finals Budapest SC2 AI Tournament 2026 Fall 2026 GSTL Announcement
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
Nexus Wars 2021 GUIDE [M] (2) Industrial Park
External Content
Mutation # 540 Dodge This The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 539 Thunder Dome Mutation # 538 Media Blackout
Brood War
General
New 3v3 BGH Ladder (and more) on ShieldBattery! [ASL22] Ro24 Preview: Siren's Call BW General Discussion BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Pros React To: First 'Fastest' Map in ASL History
Tourneys
[ASL22] Wildcard Qualifier [ASL22] Ro24 Group D [Megathread] Daily Proleagues Toronto invitational lan 22 august
Strategy
Replay Review Process - What do you do? Odyssey Mineral Stack Saturation Fighting Spirit mining rates Any training maps people recommend?
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread General RTS Discussion Thread Anyone here play Quakeworld back in the day? Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread EVE Corporation
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish TSM pausing esports and CLG Dead
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Power Rank TL Mafia Community Thread NeO.D_StephenKing vs This Guy From 1 Million Dance
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Dating: How's your luck? Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread Artificial Intelligence Thread
Fan Clubs
The Creator Fan Club MarineLorD Fan Club The ShoWTimE Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! Anime Discussion Thread
Sports
Football (Soccer) Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 MLB/Baseball 2023 NBA General Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread Simple Questions Simple Answers FPS when play League Of Legend on laptop
TL Community
The Automated Ban List Northern Ireland Global Starcraft
Blogs
Young Players Exit Esports E…
TrAiDoS
LOCKPICKING NOOB
LUCKY_NOOB
Cathedral Of CS And NY pizza a…
FuDDx
Please support my new stand…
Peanutsc
Hello guys!
LIN1s
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 3835 users

You can no longer be demoted during a season!

Forum Index > SC2 General
365 CommentsPost a Reply
1 2 3 4 5 17 18 19 Next All
MockHamill
Profile Joined March 2010
Sweden1798 Posts
June 03 2013 21:55 GMT
#1
It is no longer possible to be demoted during a season, only when you play your placement matches for a new season can you be demoted!

http://www.blizzposts.com/blogentry/95918/starcraft-ii-ladder-league-and-season-faq.

I think this change is excellent. If you manage to get promoted you could sometimes get on a bad losing streak and fall back from where you came which was very demoralizing. Now you will get to keep your league status at least until the next season.

Please observe this has nothing to with ladder lock, it is for the whole season.


Facebook Twitter Reddit
DavoS
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States4605 Posts
June 03 2013 21:58 GMT
#2
Eh, not too thrilled. When I first started playing, I was put in Gold. I was not gold league caliber. I lost every game that season and that was against low level silvers after the first few golds roflstomped me. I literally celebrated when I got demoted to silver. Would like to see a way to make placement matches more accurate before they worry about things like demotion
"KDA is actually the most useless stat in the game" Aui_2000
phuzi0n
Profile Joined April 2010
United States308 Posts
June 03 2013 21:59 GMT
#3
Does that mean GM players can't be demoted either? If so then the first people to make GM would stay GM all season.
BlueLanterna
Profile Joined April 2011
291 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-03 22:00:57
June 03 2013 22:00 GMT
#4
On June 04 2013 06:59 phuzi0n wrote:
Does that mean GM players can't be demoted either? If so then the first people to make GM would stay GM all season.


Logic would dictate that GM would be the exception to the rule, but who knows...
R1CH
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Netherlands10342 Posts
June 03 2013 22:00 GMT
#5
I'm sure the regular GM dropdown conditions still apply (inactivity etc).
AdministratorTwitter: @R1CH_TL
TL+ Member
Poffel
Profile Joined March 2011
471 Posts
June 03 2013 22:00 GMT
#6
On June 04 2013 06:58 DavoS wrote:
Eh, not too thrilled. When I first started playing, I was put in Gold. I was not gold league caliber. I lost every game that season and that was against low level silvers after the first few golds roflstomped me. I literally celebrated when I got demoted to silver. Would like to see a way to make placement matches more accurate before they worry about things like demotion

Well, by now you could just "leave league" in such an event and do your placement matches again, so that shouldn't be much of a problem, or am I mistaken?
Draconicfire
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada2562 Posts
June 03 2013 22:00 GMT
#7
On June 04 2013 06:59 phuzi0n wrote:
Does that mean GM players can't be demoted either? If so then the first people to make GM would stay GM all season.


Pretty sure that's how it works now anyways.

This new change is eh I guess. If the seasons are short enough it's not a big deal. Removes some ladder anxiety I guess.
@Drayxs | Drayxs.221 | Drayxs#1802
o29
Profile Joined November 2010
United States220 Posts
June 03 2013 22:03 GMT
#8
With the "leave league" button it should still be possible though, right? Seems like another change to help protect people's precious egos, but it ultimately shouldn't actually change anything about the difficulty of matched opponents.
Deleted User 101379
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
4849 Posts
June 03 2013 22:04 GMT
#9
Uhm, what?

Yeah, getting demoted is unpleasant for those it happens to, but it's just how ladders work. You go up when you are better than your opponents, you go down when you are worse. Feels like Blizzard tries to remove that part but that kind of makes the whole ladder pointless unless they make seasons really short, e.g. a month or so. Otherwise there will be lots of people with lucky placement matches and such showing up far above where they should be.
skylarr
Profile Joined May 2013
Canada209 Posts
June 03 2013 22:04 GMT
#10
That's kinda unnecessary haha
GuitarBizarre
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom332 Posts
June 03 2013 22:05 GMT
#11
On June 04 2013 06:59 phuzi0n wrote:
Does that mean GM players can't be demoted either? If so then the first people to make GM would stay GM all season.


If you think of it, GM is actually just another part of masters league, its not actually a league of its own, so you could flip down to masters, just not to diamond.
In retrospect, I don't know how you can play StarCraft without swearing. - Eifer
Savage88
Profile Joined April 2013
Germany132 Posts
June 03 2013 22:05 GMT
#12
Thats just a terrible idea. Since HotS it feels leagues are getting worse and worse. I was Plat all of WoL and I'm Masters now even I haven't improved at all. It feels like people in Masters are more Plat WoL Level now and if you cannot get demoted it makes it even worse.

MichaelDonovan
Profile Joined June 2011
United States1453 Posts
June 03 2013 22:06 GMT
#13
Well now people are gonna be scared shitless to play their placement matches cause they don't know how they did lol.
Frankenberry
Profile Joined February 2012
Denmark302 Posts
June 03 2013 22:06 GMT
#14
What a horrible idea
Koromon
Profile Joined May 2012
United States304 Posts
June 03 2013 22:08 GMT
#15
On June 04 2013 07:05 Savage88 wrote:
Thats just a terrible idea. Since HotS it feels leagues are getting worse and worse. I was Plat all of WoL and I'm Masters now even I haven't improved at all. It feels like people in Masters are more Plat WoL Level now and if you cannot get demoted it makes it even worse.



I mean, even if you're "in" Masters, if you keep losing and losing throughout the season, your MMR would be placing you against people of relatively the same skill level (let's say Plat WoL level) and so it'd be fine? I mean, I'm assuming the system just wouldn't put you in your place until the end of the season.
aksfjh
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4853 Posts
June 03 2013 22:08 GMT
#16
On June 04 2013 07:06 MichaelDonovan wrote:
Well now people are gonna be scared shitless to play their placement matches cause they don't know how they did lol.

Better than what's happening now, where people get to some goal league and just stop playing out of fear of demotion.
Blargh
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2103 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-03 22:11:14
June 03 2013 22:08 GMT
#17
That doesn't really make sense to me. So, let's assume the top 2% (isn't that what Master league consists of?) make it into Master league at the beginning of the season. Then, as the season progresses, people who WOULD get promotions cannot because the top 2% is already filled. Normally, players would be demoted out of Master league and players would be promoted into Master league. Or is it that the players who -WOULD HAVE- gotten demoted from Masters will stay in it and be ignored for the "top 2%" while players still get promoted from Diamond, thus making master league technically larger than 2%?

While I don't like to get demoted because master league so kewl man, I disagree with the idea. If you aren't playing master league level, then you probably shouldn't be in Master league. But this might be better for a majority of people. It just doesn't follow the "competitive" style of a ladder.
Mortal
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
2943 Posts
June 03 2013 22:09 GMT
#18
Hahahaha, oh Blizzard you jest.
The universe created an audience for itself.
Heyoka
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Katowice25012 Posts
June 03 2013 22:11 GMT
#19
Not entirely sure why everyone is so mad at this. I'd guess it doesn't effect basically anything, and that the 2% (or whatever it is) of masters will be made up of MMR calculations and not what is displayed, so those who have dropped below will still free up slots. It just won't show on their account.
@RealHeyoka | ESL / DreamHack StarCraft Lead
Targe
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom14103 Posts
June 03 2013 22:11 GMT
#20
On June 04 2013 07:08 Blargh wrote:
That doesn't really make sense to me. So, let's assume the top 2% (isn't that what Master league consists of?) make it into Master league at the beginning of the season. Then, as the season progresses, people who WOULD get promotions cannot because the top 2% is already filled. Normally, players would be demoted out of Master league and players would be promoted into Master league. Does this mean that the players who -WOULD HAVE- gotten demoted from Masters will stay in it and be ignored for the "top 2%" while players still get promoted from Diamond, thus making master league technically larger than 2%?

While I don't like to get demoted because master league so kewl man, I disagree with the idea. If you aren't playing master league level, then you probably shouldn't be in Master league. But this might be better for a majority of people. It just doesn't follow the "competitive" style of a ladder.


You're overthinking, it wouldn't be that much more.
11/5/14 CATACLYSM | The South West's worst Falco main
1 2 3 4 5 17 18 19 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
The Patches Monday
16:15
#4
RotterdaM366
TaKeTV 186
BRAT_OK 101
IndyStarCraft 90
SteadfastSC40
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
RotterdaM 366
ByuN 327
uThermal 122
BRAT_OK 101
Rex 94
IndyStarCraft 90
SteadfastSC 40
EnDerr 7
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 32538
Bisu 2266
Jaedong 1643
EffOrt 1321
Shuttle 724
BeSt 543
Soma 443
actioN 389
Light 379
Snow 222
[ Show more ]
Stork 173
Hyuk 162
Dewaltoss 141
Rush 107
Bonyth 98
Killer 69
Liquid`Ret 66
Hyun 54
Sharp 54
Sexy 43
HiyA 36
Bale 32
sorry 28
Yoon 27
Hm[arnc] 20
SilentControl 18
soO 17
Terrorterran 14
yabsab 12
Dota 2
qojqva4919
Dendi2799
Counter-Strike
byalli1308
x6flipin955
Other Games
Gorgc4301
Liquid`RaSZi1551
hiko1092
FrodaN816
XBOCT475
Hui .197
ArmadaUGS177
KnowMe110
Livibee71
QueenE69
C9.Mang069
Trikslyr45
[ Show 14 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Shameless 30
• mYiSmile122
• intothetv
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• blackmanpl 17
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Jankos1729
• TFBlade907
Other Games
• Shiphtur285
Upcoming Events
Afreeca Starleague
17h 27m
Soulkey vs PianO
JyJ vs sSak
GSL
18h 27m
PiGosaur Cup
1d 7h
Afreeca Starleague
1d 17h
Mini vs Calm
Queen vs EffOrt
Replay Cast
2 days
The PondCast
2 days
Replay Cast
3 days
Escore
3 days
IntoTheTV X SOOP
3 days
Korean StarCraft League
4 days
[ Show More ]
GSL
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
5 days
WardiTV Weekly
5 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-08-23
PiG Sty Festival 8.0
META DYMY #4

Ongoing

KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 3
K-JUNGMAN
ASL Season 22
Super Anchor Qualifying S3
CSL Season 22: Qualifier 1
CSL Season 22: Qualifier 2
RSL Revival: Season 6
Esports World Cup 2026
Esports World Cup 2026: LCQ
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026

Upcoming

BSL 2026 LAN: Kraków
CSL 2026 AUTUMN (S22)
Acropolis #5
Acropolis #5 - TRS
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Acropolis #5 - GSA
Acropolis #5 - GSB
HSC XXX
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
Calamity Invitational
Big Dog Cup 2026 Div 1
IEM Beijing 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 5
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
1win Private Club #1
Logitech G Play Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #3
BLAST Open Fall 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.